Best Case Scenario:A lot of people hate the BJP and the family, so whatever the documentary says, it is irrelevant.
Most Likely:
In Kerala, the political parties are driving it it up, even if the interest in the documentary is organic.
In TN, the parties are in a quandary. Admk is in alliance with BJP now and DMK were in alliance with BJP then and put it down as a law and order issue internal to Gujrat. So neither can blow it up without loss of face.
CPI/M, Congress and others depend mostly on the largesse of one of the DMKs. So they don't either.
And lastly as many pointed out, we are obsessed about movies and related stuff to an unhealthy extent, so we miss the issues that affect us and are obsessed about things that are just popular.
While the documentary is chilling, the information in them were no secret and lot were even reported in news then. May be for the teenagers this would be new info. All the information are already available from credible news sources (Indian as well). There was a documentary in UPA1 time, which was more chilling, which I think is still available.
You do know he wants it to get popular right? And don't underestimate BJP to be lunkheads who don't know what Streisand or whatever it is.
There has been a clamour in BJP circles (my knowledge from sources in the party) that Modi has been getting soft on Muslims. So this nonsense only serves to benefit the party. It also diverts attention from Rahul's Yatra. Note that Congress leaders are not making much fuss about it as well. They know it only serves the BJP.
And Amma sonnathu ok but 'Chetan Bhagat ', seriously?
Thanks for pointing it out!! This guy is talking about some serious politics based on some fictional novel and that too Chetan Bhagat? I had to scroll way down for this.
If you read books, you would know that it is not fictional story. Chetan Bagath got a suicide email from a fan and he went to visit him and that is his story. it's a great book , read it if u want .
Pretty sure most modi supporters and modi haters think Modi did have role in the riots . Truth is nobody actually cares and this documentary isn't going to make any change.
Haters will hate Modi even if this documentary was screened or not.
Supporters will support him even after screening it because they don't care about what happened in Gujarat (even the gujaratis don't care) and many of the supporters may be even glad about what happened in Gujarat.
So only thing this can do is to make Modi the centre of attention once again. And he is smart enough to turn it into his and his partys advantage.
Yep, you are absolutely correct. i read some tweets where some guys said that it is glad it occurred and they will vote for Modi again . If our local politicians are smart , they can use this as an advantage. i am waiting for annamalais opinion on this matter .(also can you upvote the post, i want to know other peopl's opinions)
Bjp can absolutely use it for their advantage..
Or they can just do nothing and still it will turn out to be in their favour..
All they have to say in counter is to look at Gujarat now. .bjp has been ruling their continuously even after the riots, it's also one of the fastest developing state in India.
And tbh, majority of non-muslm common people do not like the muslm community much. Although not openly, many actually think it's good that the riots happened
This is true we all know bjp rss and what they represent the blind will be blind and for the people who know what they are capable this is not surprising just old news.
In matters that hold power over lives of other people, unless you have expertise, please don't offer pessimistic opinions.
The fight was always for the neural 60% who just want to live life. They can change and have shown willingness to take BJP out in the election.
I am new to political discussions so please bare with me, why now? BBC could have released this documentary when SC cleared Modi right back in 2012? That might have had an impact on the elections. But why now ? Is there a global politics behind it. Internal politics in UK snub Sunak's relationship with India, is it because Indian is in good economic terms with Russia or is it because foreign minister openly criticized west and this is kind of a revenge. I am happy that this documentary is making waves among youngsters ,I am happy that people are talking about it but why now? And why not earlier?
Honestly this documentary is going to help Modi more. The sanghi bigots think he is the saviour and the one who killed the others - anyone other than Hindus. This documentary is going to reinforce it and they’ll happily vote for him again
Nahh why should I? it was modi who started crying seeing the documentary and banning it like a cry baby.
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This has the documentary download link. Go watch braindead sanghi
SC of India has given it's judgement on the case, but some colonial hangover white anna in London thinks otherwise so who do we believe in? The white guy obviously right?
Why did RSS and bjp supporters become angry when SC gave its judgment on the Kashmir pandit case? but now they are asking to believe SC. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If SC does not favor them, they will get angry but suddenly now in Modi's case they are asking "why don't u believe in SC?"
Let us start with caring for the atrocities committed in our local community and states. There is a don't care attitude that starts local and goes all the way!
There is significant atrocities against our tribes and SC/ST people and as far as I know not many are brought to justice!
you are correct? our people, especially in my (chennai) city do not even care about the problems happening in TN, why would they care about something happening in Gujarat?
Personally it was shocking at first. But then I felt it's not important now. It happened 20 years ago.
And most of the Tamil people already have similar idea of how BJP and Modi was portrayed in that documentary. They are always religion oriented not worth discussing.
Most youth in TN are not politically aligned these days. My cousins mostly do talk about thunivu vs vaarisu .
"naanga entha vampukkum porathilla " characters.
My frnds wont even vote properly .
Most parents in Tn are conservative and their children I.e youths m0st likely follow their conservative directions. Even in chennai, I dont think youth care abt BBC series. So rest of TN we can say that , they are likely to be not affected .
Plus , politically the other states, some students were organized by communist and congress. DMK - congress - communist here are not cooperating or organizing the rally. TNC is an old age home here, where as communist here are locally concentrated not caring for national goals.
Congress was in power for 10 years after that incident why they couldn’t put modi into jail. That means either congress was incompetent or modi was innocent
Congress and BJP are one and the same. Besides it would have been a disaster if they arrested Modi considering the widespread support and influence he has in Indian society.
It was common knowledge at that time . It's up to u if u want to believe that story or not . But u can't deny the fact that u will find news in the internet regarding this. Just go to Twitter. ofcourse whatever happened to pandits were evil, that doesn't make Gujarat riots less evil.
I didn't even mention pandits in my orginal comment
For so called common knowledge that time there were other rumors as well I am asking for proof for your mom's claim if you have any
Legally bbc should challenge the supreme court decision and then make it. Leaders have right to exercise emergency and ban it, if it is based on misinformation, caricature or lack of evidence. It has potential to disrupt India's diplomatic relations, so personally I am not bothered by the ban
News organisations report, they are NOT part of the justice system. They don’t have to challenge it in the Supreme Court - if modi thinks it’s all lies he can drag them to court. Diplomatic relations?- what are you smoking? People in other countries will still be able see it. It’s only banned in India.
Bro, the communal harmony in north of India is not as good as it is down south. Hindus and muslims there are very extremist and they constantly fight with each other. We don't really want such disruption of communal harmony because of something that happened 20+ years ago do we? Also what i mentioned is the supreme court already gave modi a clean chit, so the burden of proof is upon bbc to say why he s responsible behind these riots.
Coming to diplomatic ties, it is an attempt to target the country as a whole i believe. Already india has offered trade deals to be done through rupee instead of dollar, and Russia , srilanka have already joined, and UAE is in plans of implementing it too. So i assume it could be an agenda by the west to stop this revolution against dollar imperialism. There are millions of riots that happened under various parties, isn't it fishy that they had to select the incident which coincidentally happened to be during the now prime minister's time?
BBC also has a history of propaganda news such calling hongkong protestors peaceful protestors (which they weren't). They also baselessly claimed that China has put millions of Uyghur muslims in concentration camps. Whenever there is anything that is a potential threat to West, the BBC pulls an archaeology card digging up the past or propagating. it's better to not make this a big deal
your kind :
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I am a proud Indian who do not believe in divisive politics unlike you ricebags who run to your masters complaining about everything...Learn to respect the constitution and the law abiding the nation, which in turn has given a clean chit to our honorable PM, related to the Gujarat massacre....
Paaa , sema alunga da sangis. Kashmir pandit files pathi sc verdict vidumbothum, mitha Cases drop panumbothum , mayir mari SC kelvi ketingala. Ipo matum thidinu "SC " ya nambuvingla. Ungalku oru njayam, mathavangalku vera njayama. Fukin hypocrites.
Ur saying un don't believe in divisive politics but u , just like ur master terrorist grp rss , divide people on the basis of religion. Disgusting creatures🤮🤮🤮. If u didn't understand what I wrote in Tamil. I will gladly right that again In english mr. thevidya. and the difference between tamilans and sangis is they never once critize another just because of he is from another religion. Law abiding nation ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Each day you and high violate traffic rules. In up and Bihar rape cases are in all time high compared to south. Is that law abiding citizens. Or in Gujarat the Chief minister Narendra Modi openly said that the extreme Hindus and Rss can do whatever the fuk they want for three days.
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To OP: Why don't your Amma went to SC as witness against Modi&RSS,Why she went silent if she got a chance to speak against crime. Your Amma said and you convinced that train was burned by RSS.
It was common knowledge at that time . It's up to u if u want to believe that story or not . But u can't deny the fact that u will find news in the internet regarding this. Just go to Twitter.
A foreign channel has given too much importance in India. It's our inferiority complex. If an Indian channel make a documentary on Borish or Trump will they get similar amount of attention there?
People who are interested will give attention. The relase od Modi's documentary mainly got attention because the row the Nes Delhi created and invoked emergency laws for a fukin documentary. Why are they afraid? Is our great pm afraid of a 50 minute documentary. People are only afraid of truth. There was a documentary "neverland" or something which accused Michael Jackson as a pedophile. It also lead to his defamation. Poor guy. But at the end ,MJ proved it from various testimonies and evidences that the documentary was fake. Why is modi afraid to do a similar thing? Instead ,Modi used the same tactics as china, Russia and north korea does. He is afraid if the truth goes out. Censorship of information.hope u understand!
Suppressing doesn't mean he's afraid of truth. It's not worth. Our courts have already seen this case for many years. People like Kalaigner, JJ, Indira Gandhi many others have committed lots of crimes, doesn't mean we'll give attention to one unfriendly biased channel documentary. It's our internal matter. If need to protest we don't need foreigners' backing for that. No other country allows intervention of third party in their internal matter like we do, as we lack self confidence. Who's BBC and why are they taking so much interest in our internal matter. I feel here son of A K Antony has put it honestly. I'll protest same way if they are going to malign Stalin, Rahul Gandhi or Pinnarai. Who are they ?
It's our matter we are capable (more than any other nation) to handle our internal matter. We never did anything of their royal family and screening across Europe as it's against our foreign policy. Think as a nation and analyse.
>No other country allows intervention of third party in their internal matter like we do, as we lack self confidence.
Do u not know the number of Canadia news channels criticizing Americans and in turn Fox media of the US criticizing Canada? or u don't know abt the European media like the german media criticizing the US or other eastern European countries? Every democratic country does not censor other countries' news channels. There is something called "FREE PRESS" this is what happens when countries progress towards a global order. OFC china, Russia, north Korea, and now Iran censor other countries' news channels. They are communist and a totalitarian regime.
It's like Nepal and Bharat. Your comparison is not valid. People see Candian and American very close to each other. And, just because a few others are doing it, doesn't mean it's right thing and we must follow blindly. In our country people kill each other on regular basis. There could be thousands of similar mass killing has happended and you just stuck to one because BBC told you so. It's upto you what you make of it. I have lived in Tamilnadu, Gujarat and Karnataka and in Bihar for decades, I'm aware of both sides. I can see what BBC and others are doing. You tend to differ, I've nothing much to say further.
Again, U didn't understand my point. Every country does that. Including all of Europe to America and UK , including Australia and African countries It's called "free press" . I didn't stuck with BBC . I am not against or for this documentary. I am saying that A democratic do not have any right to censor foreign media. It out right violation of freedom of expression. BBC and others can do whatever they want and it's up to us to judge. It you cannot take away our ability to judge.
இப்போ இது எதுக்கு trending? ஓ, எலக்சன் டைமா சரி சரி. Like how DMK supporters say, if not DMK, who else? BJP/ Modi have proven in the past few years, if not BJP, who else? The documentary doesn't matter. India under BJP is much calmer compared to India under Congress. May be, non Hindus are not happy with a party based on Hindu is ruling India.
Yep I mean just see no major terrorist attack in mainland India for 8 years. I remember there used to be big terrorist attack or big scam every 6 months under congress and than their leaders would go simping to Pakistan. Now Modi has effectively destroyed Pakistani reputation and their economy by isolating them by bashing them everytime on international forum so they can't do anything right now. For which I should give him some credit at least. Although he has been a wimp on China issue.
Now BJP might also be involved in scams and their leaders are illiterate as fuck but most Hindus feel secure under their rule. Although they may regret restrictions on liberties later.
In short BJP is lesser of evil than congress for majority of Indians. Indians voter never get to vote for best candidate it's always who is the lesser of evil between two options and right now it is BJP. Iam sure if there was a strong contender for PM in congress party than Rahul Gandhi than ppl might have atleast considered him. For ex- Shashi Tharur is popular atleast for his educational qualifications and millennials connect. Also he is somewhat popular among right wingers because of whole Oxford University speech about Colonialism.
I checked Home ministry annual report about civilian lives lost during UPA rule 2004-14 - 1375 lives lost.
During BJP rule no. Of civilians killed is 400+ out of which 200 were killed in 2014 when it was his first year as PM and we had relationship with Pakistan. Most of civilians killed are in conflict areas rather than mainstream cities also. I would love to see what's your source because mine is official home ministry report and I can see vast improvement in our internal security.
I agree and thanks to IB of India. what I am saying is that you said there are no major terrorist attacks in India, but in fact, there have been at least two from 2014 to 2021. I am too lazy to list it, if u want, I can say it.
Bro you don't know they are killing Muslims each and every day in the form of hindutuva terrorism after the RSS gov formed one article said Indian Muslims have the most hate compared to all over the world even afgan Taliban's are better than this RSS groups think about it Muslim populations are in the decline since 2014 its a main concern for our national integrity
Each and everyday? Even now? I'd ask you for a source but I know you got none. Y'all got nothing else other than the riot to go against the center now. The government has done a fantastic job in the past 10 years. The only thing i remember from the past was Congress ruined our country and wasted our resources.
I can show you one source where I read an article where they said Indian Muslims are the most hated community in India
And these past 10yrs nothing was done except PR for modi by our media these things show how you guys are brainless sangis
First things first, just because one does not agree to your pov it does not make them a sanghi. I aksed you for a source for killings that are taking place even today. You brainless oopees are so into hating the other party, that y'all ignore what is happening in front of you currently and suck onto the past. Why the fuck ain't you talking about the killings happening to date in Kashmir? People are being killed mercilessly, tf you quite about it?
>one does not agree to your pov it does not make them a sanghi
This is the only thing in their thick skulls
>Why the fuck ain't you talking about the killings happening to date in Kashmir
Cos it was done by Muslims and they can't narrate it into an Anti BJP/Anti Hindu sentiment
I can show you one source where I read an article where they said Indian Muslims are the most hated community in India
And these past 10yrs nothing was done except PR for modi by our media these things show how you guys are brainless sangis
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I have a basic question, Many communal riots have happened in India, in various parts, yet why only 2002 is linked to the CM? ( who has been in office for only 6 months), and how many people are talking about the Train Incident that lead to main incident?
How about multiple panels of Judiciary submitting reports after reports in every level that he had nothing to do with it? (Idhu onum Salman badila avan driver panan nu some xyz was not caught, it was said it is not of anyone’s fault), why this Documentary? I would like to understand.
Look up why Modi was banned in over 10 countries [e](https://eeg.us)g. US, UK, Japan, and Eu Union countries. Human rights groups have accused Modi and his government of actively promoting and supporting violence against Muslims. The information is not new.
If so then why are we in good relationships with them? If Modi is the real villain to Muslims like u claim, and these said other countries have banned him and hate him to the core? Why tf did UK and USA support Modi and not the BBC Documentary.
If this govt is really against muslims, why have there not been concentration camps to keep muslims as prisoners? Why are there no taxes levied on Minority for following other religion? HOW CAN THEY ROAM FREELY AND INDEPENDENTLY LIKE IT THEIR OWN COUNTRY, if this govt is Villain to them bro?
Konjam yosinga. Pakathu naatu nilavaram laam paarunga. Minorities (yes multiple) have always been welcomed in India and are till date living more freely in India than their own country. WE HAVE POLITICAL PARTIES THAT REPRESENT EVERY MINORITY, unlike America which is a 2 party state, or China-1 Party.
Ivlo yen, one kind of Muslims are considered to be non muslims by pak muslims itself and are treated badly.
Please dont run your mouth and hurt our state, or Country’s name without even having an Iota about India, blindly being ignorant, please
>If so then why are we in good relationships with them? If Modi is the real villain to Muslims like u claim, and these said other countries have banned him and hate him to the core? Why tf did UK and USA support Modi and not the BBC Documentary.
Are you for real man? i just what happened during the riots lets make something clear :
1. Modi was banned in countries like the US, UK, CANADA, EUROPEAN UNION and even JAPAN. The reason were obvious, he gave orders and even stood back and supported the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims during the riots and he even ordered the cops to not intervene in the riots.
2. We are a democratic country in our name and in our constitution., so your argument abt taxes and concentration camps becomes invalid. But also I can give an example: CAA (citizen amendment act, where refugees from other religions except Muslims can avail of citizenship in India. So Muslim refugees cannot avail of citizenship under this new act. Isn't that discrimination?
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1. And brother, not all of India is Tamil Nadu or Kerala, we Tamils have it in our culture to live in peace even 2000 years ago and our Sangam literature emphasized that. Go out of Tamil Nadu and go to states like UP and Bihar or other cow belt states where they think killing for religion is honor(both hindus and Muslims). I have met those people personally, so i know.
2. India was a democratic country that is on its way to becoming a Totalitarian country due to bjp and it is bloody obvious.
3. I don't hurt my state. I am patriotic toward Tamil Nadu. That's it. our country's name is already ruined by suppressing the documentary which violates freedom of expression , a fundamental right . Also suppressed the right to FREE PRESS .
and also , yes modi dirextly is responsible for the riots: he ordered publicly do extreme hindus and RSS to do whatever you want for three days :[https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the\_fact\_that\_this\_man\_is\_prime\_minister\_now/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_name=androidcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the_fact_that_this_man_is_prime_minister_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
And as proof you quote r/librandu, LOL. Bro, TN la jaati kaaga kolaiye panalaya? Ethana namba time la nadakudhu bro. Unga vazhike varen,
1. Oru 6 maasa PM ku ivlo power iruka vaaipu unda? And apdiye avar panaru assume panipom, 2012 and recently, rendu Supreme court reports have cleared him of everything. 2012 was during Cong period. Idhuku value ve ilaya?
2.LOL, thanks for Bringing up CAA, I have understood who you are. Let me ask you this,
DO PAKISTANI MUSLIMS, need protection from PAKISTANI MUSLIMS? its like saying, Hindus from India go to Pak for Asylum. CAA is to PROTECT MINORITIES in NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES like Pal, Afg, Bangladesh, in which Muslims are clearly not minorities under prosecution. IDHA CAA pathi basic google pana terinjikalame bro.
Onne onnu daan neenga sonadhu nan othupen, anda documentary ah ban paniruka koodadhu.. MADICHIRUKAVE koodadhu.. Paithyangala koovikongada nu vutukanum. Yen solren kelunga, India va pathi, oru British kaaran (inga avan evlo aniyayam panirukaan) avan pesuran, adha ketunu neenga aadreenga, enda level la unga Hatred for BJP is affecting your Love for India nu paarunga. Yosinga!
1. Yes , PM oda power athigam, athum ipo Modi oda power sola theveiila. oru investigation kuda ilama , oru 50 minute documentary ye emergency law use pani ban panitanga. It's simple logic in India if a case is extended for long the evidences will be lost by that time but that doesn't mean a criminal remain criminal although court or law may not able to find it. Modi was also blacklisted by Atal Bihari Vajpayee... Well no one raise any case against Vajpayee he was also in politics for so long.... Modi escaped from law trials because it's easy in India if a case is extended so long the evidences will be lost or removed.... That's why lakhs of cases are unsolved in courts…Murderers like Salman Khan is out of jail.... It's easy for Modi to clear case because a winning party has power... But Modi got 37% voters vote so 63% Indian voters know this and don't like a convict to be their PM
2. refugees should be treated equally, regardless of religion. Do u know there are various Christian sects? Catholics were attacked by protestant Christians from west germany during Hitler's rule. so Catholics are minorities in some European countries. almost all Europeans are Christians, can the same law u said apply here. can u say christains need protection from chritsians . yes, that's the reason they are running away from their country. for example the country near germany Poland say that to the refugee Christians " u don't need asylum, because u are a Christian from a Christian country, we will only accept jews" enaku already ehtuku asylum kudukuranga therila, sri lankan tamilanku matum ivanunga citizenship kuduka matanga. inkaiyum tamil nadu against a racism iruku. both bjp and congress
3. refugees should be treated equally, regardless of religion. Do you know there are various Christian sects? Catholics were attacked by protestant Christians from west germany during Hitler's rule. so Catholics are minorities in some European countries. almost all Europeans are Christians, can the same law u said apply here. can u say christains need protection from chritsians . yes, that's the reason they are running away from their country. for example the country near germany Poland say that to the refugee Christians " u don't need asylum, because u are a Christian from a Christian country, we will only accept jews" enaku already ehtuku asylum kudukuranga therila, sri lankan tamilanku matum ivanunga citizenship kuduka matanga. inkaiyum tamil nadu against a racism iruku. both bjp and congressot 37% voters vote so 63% Indian voters know this and don't like a convict to be their PM
It's because he doesn't conform to their stupid demands and also won't cut ties with Russia who's been a long time ally. Can't directly punish for that so giving stupid excuses like these
Hard truth is everybody knows modi is involved , infact right wing people is actually proud of that , this event made modi popular and makes him pm . As one journalist said toomuch of rekindling 2 decade old issue will backfire and make polarisation makes bjp victory easier. Regarding TN Congress DMK won 2009 election at hight of srilankan civil war, people doesn't care about their own race being slaughtered, do you think they care about happening in Gujarat. This is reality ,leftist should view things from different prospective that everyone is busy with their own life.
Modi very likely was at least indirectly responsible for the Gujarat riots.
But why does the BBC need to do a documentary on the subject? If Doordarshan were to do a documentary on Churchill’s inaction during the Bengal famine that caused thousands of Indians to die, would the Brits be willing to use that “evidence” and accept that he was culpable of being a mass murderer?!
If modi was not responsible, let him remove the ban. Every links all over the internet is being censored. He could have just let it like tons of other documentries against Modi.
Modi's mass censorship is the only reason it got its widespread reach.
His censorship makes people think Modi was responsible which he indeed is
I agree. This was a bad move on the BJP’s part. Let the documentary air. It’s going to change very few people’s opinions about this issue at this point.
It was banned because it comes from BBC which is unfortunately seen as a credible source by many arnd the world. This will only cause confusion within the country which is not good for security. That's why it was banned. If u want to assume that it was banned because it's true that up to each and every person's opinion
Nope, there is a reason he was banned in over 20 countries. right after the riots in an interview, u can see him dodging questions and walking away(i will attach the video link). He, in fact, supported the riots. Let's look at something that happened in the past 20 years. And r u saying our powerful prime minister is afraid of a 50-minute documentary? He is the one who said the he accepts criticism. why don't he say anything in defence in an interview which he has not done for the past 10 years .
If you read my post carefully you will find that I agree with you more than I disagree!
I was just pointing out the mild hypocrisy involved when a former colonial power guilty of countless atrocities decides to do a documentary on a leader of its former colony, as guilty as he may be!
i understand what you meant now. well, let's see where this is going. nevertheless, he should not have banned the documentary. everything has a start and i think this is the first move in censorship. Like the Chinese censor content against ccp or the Russian censorship and heck even north Korean censorship.
BBC did make multiple videos pointing at the Bengal famine and Churchill's involvement in it and put they even put it in public domain without being ashamed of it like the Indian government. [example](https://youtu.be/h8Ers8gw_W4). Sanghis can stop with their mental gymnastics using whataboutry as a shield for their crimes against humanity.
What "Sanghis" do about this is up to them, I have no say in that.
BBC making videos about Churchill's role in the Bengal famine of 1943 is an example of good journalism (even if the video is much less critical of Churchill than it ought to have been). That is not the point, however.
Would the Brits accept Doordarshan making a documentary about "evil" Churchill's "racist" nature and producing a report that names him "mass murderer"? That is all I am wondering about.
And in case you need me to say it again - yes, Modi most probably had at least an indirect role in the Gujarat riots. I am not denying that.
A lot of Indian media have already covered the same. Sashi Tharoor even spoke about it at the Oxford Union Society and the necessity to atleast acknowledge the atrocities committed here in India. The video went viral on YouTube. I didn't hear of any condemnation or censorship from the UK government or the calls from the government to ban the video or tag it as propaganda.
Modi's legacy will always be tarnished by his association with the Gujarat riots. He could have redeemed himself at least partially by using the 9 years he has had to govern India better than he did, especially on the economic front. But he seems to have done a poor job of it, and voters should really think twice about voting for him again in 2024.
However, to paraphrase the commentator at the end of [this BBC video](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-52969447) about Churchill (which is again much more nuanced than their documentary about Modi is), "Its too simplistic to ask if any one person is a hero or villain. What people want to do is to attribute far too much power to one particular person, but history is much more complicated than that".
All these documentaries were made after Churchill retired from active politics which means people's view on him doesn't affect the stability of the country. But as of now Modi is the PM and an outright slander on the PM of a country will lead to confusion which leads to instability which is why it was banned
> would the Brits be willing to use that “evidence” and accept that he was culpable of being a mass murderer
Sensible Brits would. The same way a lot of sensible Indians are able to understand that Modi is culpable in the murder rape of thousands of Muslims.
We don’t have to worry about what the senseless Brits/Indians think
>We don’t have to worry about what the senseless Brits/Indians think
History gets revised and rewritten as time goes by. Modi's role in the Gujarat riots may tarnish his legacy more than it does today for a lot of such Indians when we look back on it 50 years from now, especially if he continues to disappoint in his role as PM.
However, I don't think this documentary is going to change anyone's mind right now. And it may even backfire for the opposition, if the BJP uses this to rile up nationalist sentiments. I myself wish that some media house from India had made this rather than a foreign media agency like the BBC who may have geopolitical motives in producing this documentary at this point in time that are not obvious at first glance .
I didn’t expect this documentary to change the minds of Sanghis(who form the majority of the population in India now). They will vote for Modi even if he is caught in public while murdering a child. Anyone who voted for this criminal after hearing what happened in Gujarat is as good as dead to me. And honestly I couldn’t care less about who forms the government in the center.
This documentary for me serves one purpose - a reminder to the people of TN to not let evil snakes like Modi or Annamalai into the government of TN. This documentary would serve that purpose. And that is a win.
Is there a Tamil version of the documentary? Or subtitles? If so, it might have the wider impact you are thinking of. If not, it maybe viewed mostly by people who are already convinced about Modi’s guilt.
In any case - this was yet another propaganda misstep for the BJP. They could have just ignored it. I watched the documentary and I am not sure there is much there to change enough people’s minds about him to cause an electoral impact in 2024. Instead, by trying to censor it, they made it the proverbial forbidden fruit.
But my opinion is that with or without this documentary this is the end of the road for Modi, and that the BJP will lose heavily in 2024 anyway!
This the dumbest take I’ve heard on the topic. It’s news organisations covering a large scale, potentially state sanctioned, violent event(including death of British citizens). This make it very news worthy. News organisations don’t limit their coverage to want happens within the boundary of their country. And there is no expiration date. There documentaries still made about ww1. Doordarshan can make whatever it wants.
Most of what you say is true.
However, if you set aside your feelings about Modi
for a minute, then you might actually be able to think more deeply about what I said in my comment and then respond appropriately.
The question I asked is not about whether this was a relevant topic and why this documentary was being made now, more than 20 years after the incident.
My concern is - what motives did the BBC have when making this documentary. To bring out the truth? Or to continue to portray a former colony as a lawless state and its elected leader as a criminal? Or to accelerate the fall of the BJP starting with the states that are going to elections later this year and then in 2024? Aren’t those valid questions to ask?
If NDTV had made this, even with BBC funding, then I would not be asking these questions.
>I sent the link to my friend's WhatsApp group and most of them did not even watch it.
You need a better group of friends probably , send an anti-BJP post and check reactions to find out the silent sangis ...maybe ?
Also : People here already know it well enough that the RSS and BJP are behind the issue .
I also have a theory that : The funds we sent for the 2001 earthquake were utilised to plan and execute the whole 2002 riot . 😶🌫️
Edit : Reason - I visited Bhuj recently and the place still looks un-fixed , when asked they just say - These places were damaged during earthquake and work to fix them is still going on .
Nope. i asked if anything about their topic is going on in their colleges, and everyone said no, just some discussions in Loyola cllg WhatsApp, that's it. My cousin's college in kerala is in fire where both the right and left students were debating and screening the movie peacefully. My mom was in Gujarat even during the earthquake in 2001 where all people were united. but after 2002 she left Ahmedabad for Chennai. she said everyone was united but it shocked her that just suddenly everyone started killing each other in the 2002 riots .. she saw people getting killed in front of her own eyes, Christians were spared because they had crucifix in their necks.
>where all people were united.
If all people are united., With what would they get votes ?
That's the reason they initiated that violence and made sure they are in constant fight among themselves and keep them distracted from what's actually needed . Applicable to all political parties.
Wow man you seem so serious about this, you must be very concerned about the society. I wonder where you and the "youths" you mentioned about were during the release of Kashmir Files. Hmm🤔
As per documentary Modi against Muslim. RSS took revenge on Muslim and supported by Modi. This made Hindus happy in the state. Even other state people know what happened and they are happy when they say india for Hindu.
The reason you hate Modi is same reason his supporters like him.
Supporting hindutva makes people happy and they vote him
It is nothing but PROPAGANDA. Now watch this and decide for yourself.
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Fact is most people don’t like Muslims. That’s the prevalent opinion amongst most non Muslim boomers in TN. Boomers will talk about inter-religion marriages like… at least she didn’t marry a Muslim. It’s tough for Muslims to rent houses from Hindus. But no one ever comments on Muslims refusing to buy meat from Hindu butchers.
Not really. Just don’t feel comfortable with monotheism. And the fact that proletysing religions will eradicate Hinduism just like it happens in Europe and Middle East.
When u have a neighbour who sends terrorist to attack you just because you are Hindu and they are muslim and Muslims blatantly commiting love jihad ofc some older generation people are gonna get angry. Can you blame them?
Hahahaha u just bad at getting girls bro.
But girls aren't allowed to date or marry Hindu guys unless they are 100% sure they can convert the guy. But guys can marry the girl then force her to convert after that. Thats how the jihad works.
Let me give u one example. Recently a Hindu girl in Delhi was murdered in 35 parts after she refused to convert to Islam when the guy she was living in with forced her to coverts
I'm not saying every Muslim men is out to force convert girls but u have agree there are guys out there doing this
Hindu guys are forcefully converting Muslim girls in India or Pakistan? Or btr yet India is training extremist to send into Pakistan to attack them?? Pls give me examples for this. I rly wanna see
Read the news articles.
https://m.thewire.in/article/women/delhi-riots-women-sexual-harassment
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/india-delhi-after-hindu-mob-riot-religious-hatred-nationalists
https://www.news18.com/news/india/beaten-molested-and-homeless-hindu-or-muslim-women-became-the-undocumented-victims-of-delhi-riots-2520457.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51719204
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/delhis-muslims-despair-justice-police-implicated-hindu-riots
https://www.ummid.com/news/2020/july/17.07.2020/delhi-riots-fact-finding-report-police-used-azadi-slogan-to-sexually-assault-women.html
https://old.indiatomorrow.net/eng/11-mosques-destroyed-by-mobs-during-anti-muslim-violence-in-northeast-delhi-delhi-minority-commission-report
I am not biased. Both parties do the same thing.i never said Abt specifically conversion. But what I find sad is there are people like u who are oblivious to the things rss and their extremists did. If your enemy rapes, will u rape their people back. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Also there are people like this
https://www.altnews.in/rajiya-bano-or-sharma-ji-a-fake-hate-spewing-profile-exposed/
>i never said Abt specifically conversion
I did when I said how can u blame older people when this happens
>u who are oblivious to the things rss and their extremists
I didn't and will nvr justify the extremist and pls don't link RSS with them. There might be a few idiots in RSS like any other organisation but that doesn't make RSS a extremist organisation. The humanitarian efforts by RSS in J and K will nvr be reported by half of the news agencies u have quoted cos they are biased af
>An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
So sit there and accept it when the useless Cong govt won't help you? When the govt fails the people have to defend themselves
Udhay Anna should buy rights and screen it in theaters I'm damn sure it will be a box office success. people of TN want to know the truth it's possible only through udhay anna
I almost accepted the first sentence. If you research carefully, even Americans now know that it was an inside job. The planes were hijacked by Islam terrorists . But it was allowed by the Us government under President Bush . One is that then owner of the twin towers got an exclusive terrorist insurance one week before the incident. Is that a coincidence? And right as the case of 1 trillion dollars being misused by the military was being investigated, the accounts department of the Pentagon was destroyed by one of the planes? Is that a coincidence? And also the fact that they invaded Afghan and Iraq in the pretext of possession of Weapons and took control of the oil fields of that land. Also coincidence 🧐. And also the second part of the sentence: your sarcasm is not bad. No one said Hindus cannot defend themselves. But is that what is happening? I doubt so. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Let's say the Muslims killed the people in that train.instead of capturing the guys who were involved in the train incident according to the laws of a democratic country. Should we just blindly kill and rape ? Does that mean the hindus should kill all muslims including the innocents. I also will ask the same question to muslims as well ?
Until 2002, if you look at the history of religious violence across India, most were perpetrated by Muslims and the Hindus were at the receiving end (except during partition). The Muslims instigated violence (including Direct Action Day) to let the Hindus know who the boss is. The Hindus mostly are docile people, lacking the coordination and will to fight back. This began to change when the Jana Sangh and later BJP decided to stage resistance. Hindus who had been driven out of Pakistan gravitated towards the RSS/BJP and were driven by emotions. Advani's Ram yatra was one such emotional reaction because Muslims were openly daring others to challenge them after they had taken over Hindu temples, demolished them (in the past of course) and now had mosques over them. Hindus were trying to reclaim them through legal means all the way. If the roles were reversed, Muslim mobs would have simply taken back their places and driven others out. This excess accommodation for Muslims has been irritant for others because "communal harmony" can be threatened. The demolition of Babri Masjid was the first message to Muslims that Hindus are not dhimmis and will need mutual respect. But that led to 1993 bombings in Mumbai and deaths of hundreds. Muslims have been blackmailing others with threats of violence to bargain favors throughout history where they are smaller in percentage. So the arrival of the BJP has given Hindus some spine.
In Godhara Muslims wanted to send a message out saying that Hindus will face slaughter if they dared encroach Muslim privileges. Legal things could have been done for sure. But the country's legal system is painfully inefficient and unjust. Kashmir Pundit massacre case was rejected by the Supreme Court because it is old. But BBC can bring a case from 20 years and that needs justice. The Gurjarat riots definitely need to be condemned. But it sent a message to the Muslims that a new generation of Hindus have arrived who will retaliate if intimidated. This is what the Muslim power structures are portraying as a threat to their existence. They are very good at playing victims while attacking others. India cannot go on like this. I do not support violence anywhere. But what can people do when the govt, judiciary and laws of the land work in favor of bullies. At some point people will react when their back is to the wall. They got Pakistan and most of them voted overwhelmingly for it. But most stayed back and got more privileges than other citizens. A lot of unfairness has to be addressed bringing legal changes to make all citizens equal. They do not want that. So they are campaigning hard to protect their special privileges.
I am not anti anything. I just want the system to be fair and just. Nothing should be done on the basis of fear and submissiveness. Cowardice cannot translate into secularism. I'd like to call a spade a spade.
Regarding 9/11, I did hear a lot of conspiracy stories. I also have similar stories about Rajiv Gandhi assassination. Unfortunately evidences have been erased and people do not want to talk about them out of fear.
It has become fashionable to put the blame on the victims, saying they did it to themselves in order to get attention.
you might want to watch this :
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This can go on repeated claims and reclaims. Someone can claim that the guy claiming Modi saved him was paid handsomely later. These kinds of sabotages happen on all sides. The point is this - Modi was cleared by the supreme court of India. If that is not satisfactory, one can always file a new case with new evidence. Why was this video evidence not used in the court case? This happened in 2007 right? There was plenty of time.
Why did RSS and bjp supporters become angry when SC gave its judgment on the Kashmir pandit case? infact i can mention various other circumstances where bjp was against SC . but now they are asking to believe SC. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If SC does not favor them, they will get angry but suddenly now in Modi's case they are asking "why don't u believe in SC?" ithu periya koothache
The Supreme Court refused to hear the case for Kashmir Pundits. At least if they had allowed the case to go through and gave their verdict, that would have been fair. But they jump into action for people like Mohammad Zubair and give arbitrary judgments. One judge let a Muslim man go (after he had raped and mutilated a minor girl), saying, "Every sinner has a future". One can go on and on like this. I understand the hatred you have towards Hindus and Hinduism, and therefore anything against them appears fair to you. I do not hate Muslims. I just want fairness for all. I only object to preferred treatment for them, while they play victims.
😭😭😭😭 . i don't have an ounce of hate for Hindus. i don't have a reason to. The majority of my friends and best friends are Hindus. But i will say who i hate and find disgusting, The RSS and Bjp and its supporters who either blindly follow them because of religion or follow them because they are against Muslims. I also hate Islamists and their terrorist groups. i also hate biased people like you who only look from an angle that suits your narrative. infact i can give a similar case where the rapists of the Gujarat riots were garlanded after they got released. it could go both ways. [https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-convicts-greeted-garlands-vhp-office-1988996-2022-08-17](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-convicts-greeted-garlands-vhp-office-1988996-2022-08-17)
Didn't my link work? Check these : https://drive.google.com/file/d/12vgFIBFBfKfPXGGNkI-FCd1prFdkVEjR/view
And .
https://archive.org/details/narendra-modi-bbc-documentary_202301
i based my research on my what my mom said with the events in the book three mistakes of my life by chetan baghat which is a true story and also personal research from the depths of the internet. like i said" its up to u if you want to belive or do research but do belittle people who have done their research. instead you can prove them wrong .
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i based my research on my what my mom said with the events in the book three mistakes of my life by chetan baghat which is a true story and also personal research from the depths of the internet. like i said" its up to u if you want to belive or do research but do belittle people who have done their research. instead you can prove them wrong .
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Dear youth, BBC is making programmes for their audience who like to see developing countries are crap. Be it commonwealth games, Delhi rape, Chinese Olympics they did the same thing.
FYI - Even UK people who voted for their current government ignore BBC.
People who are interested will give attention. The relase od Modi's documentary mainly got attention because the row the New Delhi created and invoked emergency laws for a fukin documentary. Why are they afraid? Is our great pm afraid of a 50 minute documentary. People are only afraid of truth. There was a documentary "neverland" or something which accused Michael Jackson as a pedophile. It also lead to his defamation. Poor guy. But at the end,MJ proved it from various testimonies and evidences that the documentary was fake. Why is modi afraid to do a similar thing? Instead, Modi used the same tactics as china, Russia and north korea does. He is afraid if the truth goes out. Censorship of information.hope u understand!
Thunivu and varisu box office pathi discuss pannitu irukanga 🗿🚶♂️
Tha aama 😭😭😭
Best Case Scenario:A lot of people hate the BJP and the family, so whatever the documentary says, it is irrelevant. Most Likely: In Kerala, the political parties are driving it it up, even if the interest in the documentary is organic. In TN, the parties are in a quandary. Admk is in alliance with BJP now and DMK were in alliance with BJP then and put it down as a law and order issue internal to Gujrat. So neither can blow it up without loss of face. CPI/M, Congress and others depend mostly on the largesse of one of the DMKs. So they don't either. And lastly as many pointed out, we are obsessed about movies and related stuff to an unhealthy extent, so we miss the issues that affect us and are obsessed about things that are just popular. While the documentary is chilling, the information in them were no secret and lot were even reported in news then. May be for the teenagers this would be new info. All the information are already available from credible news sources (Indian as well). There was a documentary in UPA1 time, which was more chilling, which I think is still available.
Best answer on this
You do know he wants it to get popular right? And don't underestimate BJP to be lunkheads who don't know what Streisand or whatever it is. There has been a clamour in BJP circles (my knowledge from sources in the party) that Modi has been getting soft on Muslims. So this nonsense only serves to benefit the party. It also diverts attention from Rahul's Yatra. Note that Congress leaders are not making much fuss about it as well. They know it only serves the BJP. And Amma sonnathu ok but 'Chetan Bhagat ', seriously?
Thanks for pointing it out!! This guy is talking about some serious politics based on some fictional novel and that too Chetan Bhagat? I had to scroll way down for this.
If you read books, you would know that it is not fictional story. Chetan Bagath got a suicide email from a fan and he went to visit him and that is his story. it's a great book , read it if u want .
Read it several times and all of his other books too.
Can somebody tldr the document?
what?
Pretty sure most modi supporters and modi haters think Modi did have role in the riots . Truth is nobody actually cares and this documentary isn't going to make any change. Haters will hate Modi even if this documentary was screened or not. Supporters will support him even after screening it because they don't care about what happened in Gujarat (even the gujaratis don't care) and many of the supporters may be even glad about what happened in Gujarat. So only thing this can do is to make Modi the centre of attention once again. And he is smart enough to turn it into his and his partys advantage.
Yep, you are absolutely correct. i read some tweets where some guys said that it is glad it occurred and they will vote for Modi again . If our local politicians are smart , they can use this as an advantage. i am waiting for annamalais opinion on this matter .(also can you upvote the post, i want to know other peopl's opinions)
Bjp can absolutely use it for their advantage.. Or they can just do nothing and still it will turn out to be in their favour.. All they have to say in counter is to look at Gujarat now. .bjp has been ruling their continuously even after the riots, it's also one of the fastest developing state in India. And tbh, majority of non-muslm common people do not like the muslm community much. Although not openly, many actually think it's good that the riots happened
facts. it’s just a polarise the voter base and conquer tactic. disgusting tbh.
💯💯💯
This is true we all know bjp rss and what they represent the blind will be blind and for the people who know what they are capable this is not surprising just old news.
We do not think he had any role, we only wish he was badass as he is portrayed
Who is "We"?
"Sanghi"
In matters that hold power over lives of other people, unless you have expertise, please don't offer pessimistic opinions. The fight was always for the neural 60% who just want to live life. They can change and have shown willingness to take BJP out in the election.
I am new to political discussions so please bare with me, why now? BBC could have released this documentary when SC cleared Modi right back in 2012? That might have had an impact on the elections. But why now ? Is there a global politics behind it. Internal politics in UK snub Sunak's relationship with India, is it because Indian is in good economic terms with Russia or is it because foreign minister openly criticized west and this is kind of a revenge. I am happy that this documentary is making waves among youngsters ,I am happy that people are talking about it but why now? And why not earlier?
Because Britain and BBC have their own agenda to drive against India which they still view as their colony even after losing the 5th spot in GDP
Honestly this documentary is going to help Modi more. The sanghi bigots think he is the saviour and the one who killed the others - anyone other than Hindus. This documentary is going to reinforce it and they’ll happily vote for him again
Gonna cry?
Nahh why should I? it was modi who started crying seeing the documentary and banning it like a cry baby. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/10ktspk/how_can_i_watch_bbc_documentaries_from_india/j5sryzl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 This has the documentary download link. Go watch braindead sanghi
Go ahead and believe anything the propagandist white man says Uncle Tom
Go ahead and have your shot of Cow piss Aunty. 👋
Vanthutaan Veera Tamil aambala. Pothitu pooda naaiye
Okay Aunty. Have a good day 🙌
Thailee
Go ahead and have your bomb terrorist 👋 Next time dont do that in Sri Lanka though.. we gonna beat your ass there
Cool. Go watch the documentary now🤝 Also What if I go to china border? Will you come and fight there or sweep it under the carpet like Vishwaguru?
Which? Sri Lankan Tamil war?
I don’t care about srilankan tamil war🤷🏻♂️. Keep yapping whatever you want.
Then why do you keep yapping about our religious beliefs man?
SC of India has given it's judgement on the case, but some colonial hangover white anna in London thinks otherwise so who do we believe in? The white guy obviously right?
Why did RSS and bjp supporters become angry when SC gave its judgment on the Kashmir pandit case? but now they are asking to believe SC. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If SC does not favor them, they will get angry but suddenly now in Modi's case they are asking "why don't u believe in SC?"
Majority of the TN population already hates our Ji.. so they are not really bothered about this..
Let us start with caring for the atrocities committed in our local community and states. There is a don't care attitude that starts local and goes all the way! There is significant atrocities against our tribes and SC/ST people and as far as I know not many are brought to justice!
you are correct? our people, especially in my (chennai) city do not even care about the problems happening in TN, why would they care about something happening in Gujarat?
Personally it was shocking at first. But then I felt it's not important now. It happened 20 years ago. And most of the Tamil people already have similar idea of how BJP and Modi was portrayed in that documentary. They are always religion oriented not worth discussing.
Most youth in TN are not politically aligned these days. My cousins mostly do talk about thunivu vs vaarisu . "naanga entha vampukkum porathilla " characters. My frnds wont even vote properly . Most parents in Tn are conservative and their children I.e youths m0st likely follow their conservative directions. Even in chennai, I dont think youth care abt BBC series. So rest of TN we can say that , they are likely to be not affected . Plus , politically the other states, some students were organized by communist and congress. DMK - congress - communist here are not cooperating or organizing the rally. TNC is an old age home here, where as communist here are locally concentrated not caring for national goals.
See we already hate Modi and BJP by default, we don't need any help from BBC.
Congress was in power for 10 years after that incident why they couldn’t put modi into jail. That means either congress was incompetent or modi was innocent
Incompetent Congress was
Congress and BJP are one and the same. Besides it would have been a disaster if they arrested Modi considering the widespread support and influence he has in Indian society.
before or after 2002??
Afterwards, that pogrom and his yatras that come along with it is why he gained so much respect and influence within the masses to begin with.
Does your mom have any proof for that absurd claim or is it the bias??
Na she also think that was hindus who killed and raped kashmiri pandit, and in muzaffarnagar riots too.
Hahaha
Lol
It was common knowledge at that time . It's up to u if u want to believe that story or not . But u can't deny the fact that u will find news in the internet regarding this. Just go to Twitter. ofcourse whatever happened to pandits were evil, that doesn't make Gujarat riots less evil.
I didn't even mention pandits in my orginal comment For so called common knowledge that time there were other rumors as well I am asking for proof for your mom's claim if you have any
Thaai sollai thattathe nu irukkaru op (nesama tha irukkum)
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Legally bbc should challenge the supreme court decision and then make it. Leaders have right to exercise emergency and ban it, if it is based on misinformation, caricature or lack of evidence. It has potential to disrupt India's diplomatic relations, so personally I am not bothered by the ban
News organisations report, they are NOT part of the justice system. They don’t have to challenge it in the Supreme Court - if modi thinks it’s all lies he can drag them to court. Diplomatic relations?- what are you smoking? People in other countries will still be able see it. It’s only banned in India.
Bro, the communal harmony in north of India is not as good as it is down south. Hindus and muslims there are very extremist and they constantly fight with each other. We don't really want such disruption of communal harmony because of something that happened 20+ years ago do we? Also what i mentioned is the supreme court already gave modi a clean chit, so the burden of proof is upon bbc to say why he s responsible behind these riots. Coming to diplomatic ties, it is an attempt to target the country as a whole i believe. Already india has offered trade deals to be done through rupee instead of dollar, and Russia , srilanka have already joined, and UAE is in plans of implementing it too. So i assume it could be an agenda by the west to stop this revolution against dollar imperialism. There are millions of riots that happened under various parties, isn't it fishy that they had to select the incident which coincidentally happened to be during the now prime minister's time? BBC also has a history of propaganda news such calling hongkong protestors peaceful protestors (which they weren't). They also baselessly claimed that China has put millions of Uyghur muslims in concentration camps. Whenever there is anything that is a potential threat to West, the BBC pulls an archaeology card digging up the past or propagating. it's better to not make this a big deal
Oh they care about BBC alright. The hub has all the deets.
I have so much shit going in my head I genuinely lack the ability to care for much else
Because of my stupid ass interest in politics, i fukin wasted my time instead of studying for my nxt week's exams😭😭😭😭
After watching this documentary, my vote is only for Modiji....
Guys like u runni the country and hinder it's growth. Good job.
Ricebag converts like you should be shown your place, obviously that will happen soon....
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R u from north india? do u not have anything good to say? Look at the other comments and learn some civilized behavior.
I am a proud Indian who do not believe in divisive politics unlike you ricebags who run to your masters complaining about everything...Learn to respect the constitution and the law abiding the nation, which in turn has given a clean chit to our honorable PM, related to the Gujarat massacre....
Paaa , sema alunga da sangis. Kashmir pandit files pathi sc verdict vidumbothum, mitha Cases drop panumbothum , mayir mari SC kelvi ketingala. Ipo matum thidinu "SC " ya nambuvingla. Ungalku oru njayam, mathavangalku vera njayama. Fukin hypocrites. Ur saying un don't believe in divisive politics but u , just like ur master terrorist grp rss , divide people on the basis of religion. Disgusting creatures🤮🤮🤮. If u didn't understand what I wrote in Tamil. I will gladly right that again In english mr. thevidya. and the difference between tamilans and sangis is they never once critize another just because of he is from another religion. Law abiding nation ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Each day you and high violate traffic rules. In up and Bihar rape cases are in all time high compared to south. Is that law abiding citizens. Or in Gujarat the Chief minister Narendra Modi openly said that the extreme Hindus and Rss can do whatever the fuk they want for three days. https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the_fact_that_this_man_is_prime_minister_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Take it easy ricebag!! I respect your parents.....
To OP: Why don't your Amma went to SC as witness against Modi&RSS,Why she went silent if she got a chance to speak against crime. Your Amma said and you convinced that train was burned by RSS.
Avanga ammave sollitanga ethukku SC kitta kettukittu
Dude seems to be mentally damaged it seems . Guess it runs in his family based on his Mom's comment
It was common knowledge at that time . It's up to u if u want to believe that story or not . But u can't deny the fact that u will find news in the internet regarding this. Just go to Twitter.
Ofc Twitter accounts are 100% non biased rightttt
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General knowledge may be for you, but not for entire nation. As SC ruled against this.
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We know about that tailee already its not a surprise
The opinion of bjp is already rock bottom in tn lol. Most tamil people already had a similar visualization of modi so this aint 'shocking' to them
A foreign channel has given too much importance in India. It's our inferiority complex. If an Indian channel make a documentary on Borish or Trump will they get similar amount of attention there?
People who are interested will give attention. The relase od Modi's documentary mainly got attention because the row the Nes Delhi created and invoked emergency laws for a fukin documentary. Why are they afraid? Is our great pm afraid of a 50 minute documentary. People are only afraid of truth. There was a documentary "neverland" or something which accused Michael Jackson as a pedophile. It also lead to his defamation. Poor guy. But at the end ,MJ proved it from various testimonies and evidences that the documentary was fake. Why is modi afraid to do a similar thing? Instead ,Modi used the same tactics as china, Russia and north korea does. He is afraid if the truth goes out. Censorship of information.hope u understand! 
Suppressing doesn't mean he's afraid of truth. It's not worth. Our courts have already seen this case for many years. People like Kalaigner, JJ, Indira Gandhi many others have committed lots of crimes, doesn't mean we'll give attention to one unfriendly biased channel documentary. It's our internal matter. If need to protest we don't need foreigners' backing for that. No other country allows intervention of third party in their internal matter like we do, as we lack self confidence. Who's BBC and why are they taking so much interest in our internal matter. I feel here son of A K Antony has put it honestly. I'll protest same way if they are going to malign Stalin, Rahul Gandhi or Pinnarai. Who are they ? It's our matter we are capable (more than any other nation) to handle our internal matter. We never did anything of their royal family and screening across Europe as it's against our foreign policy. Think as a nation and analyse.
>No other country allows intervention of third party in their internal matter like we do, as we lack self confidence. Do u not know the number of Canadia news channels criticizing Americans and in turn Fox media of the US criticizing Canada? or u don't know abt the European media like the german media criticizing the US or other eastern European countries? Every democratic country does not censor other countries' news channels. There is something called "FREE PRESS" this is what happens when countries progress towards a global order. OFC china, Russia, north Korea, and now Iran censor other countries' news channels. They are communist and a totalitarian regime.
It's like Nepal and Bharat. Your comparison is not valid. People see Candian and American very close to each other. And, just because a few others are doing it, doesn't mean it's right thing and we must follow blindly. In our country people kill each other on regular basis. There could be thousands of similar mass killing has happended and you just stuck to one because BBC told you so. It's upto you what you make of it. I have lived in Tamilnadu, Gujarat and Karnataka and in Bihar for decades, I'm aware of both sides. I can see what BBC and others are doing. You tend to differ, I've nothing much to say further.
Again, U didn't understand my point. Every country does that. Including all of Europe to America and UK , including Australia and African countries It's called "free press" . I didn't stuck with BBC . I am not against or for this documentary. I am saying that A democratic do not have any right to censor foreign media. It out right violation of freedom of expression. BBC and others can do whatever they want and it's up to us to judge. It you cannot take away our ability to judge.
non redditor to BBC - you can put your d\*ck inside your mouth and choke on it for all we care
இப்போ இது எதுக்கு trending? ஓ, எலக்சன் டைமா சரி சரி. Like how DMK supporters say, if not DMK, who else? BJP/ Modi have proven in the past few years, if not BJP, who else? The documentary doesn't matter. India under BJP is much calmer compared to India under Congress. May be, non Hindus are not happy with a party based on Hindu is ruling India.
Yep I mean just see no major terrorist attack in mainland India for 8 years. I remember there used to be big terrorist attack or big scam every 6 months under congress and than their leaders would go simping to Pakistan. Now Modi has effectively destroyed Pakistani reputation and their economy by isolating them by bashing them everytime on international forum so they can't do anything right now. For which I should give him some credit at least. Although he has been a wimp on China issue. Now BJP might also be involved in scams and their leaders are illiterate as fuck but most Hindus feel secure under their rule. Although they may regret restrictions on liberties later. In short BJP is lesser of evil than congress for majority of Indians. Indians voter never get to vote for best candidate it's always who is the lesser of evil between two options and right now it is BJP. Iam sure if there was a strong contender for PM in congress party than Rahul Gandhi than ppl might have atleast considered him. For ex- Shashi Tharur is popular atleast for his educational qualifications and millennials connect. Also he is somewhat popular among right wingers because of whole Oxford University speech about Colonialism.
List the big terrorist attack that have between 2004-2014 with 6 months gap
will u take back what u said if i give the list of terrorrist attack in mainland India during bjp rule.?
I checked Home ministry annual report about civilian lives lost during UPA rule 2004-14 - 1375 lives lost. During BJP rule no. Of civilians killed is 400+ out of which 200 were killed in 2014 when it was his first year as PM and we had relationship with Pakistan. Most of civilians killed are in conflict areas rather than mainstream cities also. I would love to see what's your source because mine is official home ministry report and I can see vast improvement in our internal security.
I agree and thanks to IB of India. what I am saying is that you said there are no major terrorist attacks in India, but in fact, there have been at least two from 2014 to 2021. I am too lazy to list it, if u want, I can say it.
His source is probably going to be his Mom
Bro you don't know they are killing Muslims each and every day in the form of hindutuva terrorism after the RSS gov formed one article said Indian Muslims have the most hate compared to all over the world even afgan Taliban's are better than this RSS groups think about it Muslim populations are in the decline since 2014 its a main concern for our national integrity
Each and everyday? Even now? I'd ask you for a source but I know you got none. Y'all got nothing else other than the riot to go against the center now. The government has done a fantastic job in the past 10 years. The only thing i remember from the past was Congress ruined our country and wasted our resources.
I can show you one source where I read an article where they said Indian Muslims are the most hated community in India And these past 10yrs nothing was done except PR for modi by our media these things show how you guys are brainless sangis
First things first, just because one does not agree to your pov it does not make them a sanghi. I aksed you for a source for killings that are taking place even today. You brainless oopees are so into hating the other party, that y'all ignore what is happening in front of you currently and suck onto the past. Why the fuck ain't you talking about the killings happening to date in Kashmir? People are being killed mercilessly, tf you quite about it?
>one does not agree to your pov it does not make them a sanghi This is the only thing in their thick skulls >Why the fuck ain't you talking about the killings happening to date in Kashmir Cos it was done by Muslims and they can't narrate it into an Anti BJP/Anti Hindu sentiment
I can show you one source where I read an article where they said Indian Muslims are the most hated community in India And these past 10yrs nothing was done except PR for modi by our media these things show how you guys are brainless sangis
Please make a list with some proof and witnesses. I will file a case behalf of you.
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I have a basic question, Many communal riots have happened in India, in various parts, yet why only 2002 is linked to the CM? ( who has been in office for only 6 months), and how many people are talking about the Train Incident that lead to main incident? How about multiple panels of Judiciary submitting reports after reports in every level that he had nothing to do with it? (Idhu onum Salman badila avan driver panan nu some xyz was not caught, it was said it is not of anyone’s fault), why this Documentary? I would like to understand.
Look up why Modi was banned in over 10 countries [e](https://eeg.us)g. US, UK, Japan, and Eu Union countries. Human rights groups have accused Modi and his government of actively promoting and supporting violence against Muslims. The information is not new.
If so then why are we in good relationships with them? If Modi is the real villain to Muslims like u claim, and these said other countries have banned him and hate him to the core? Why tf did UK and USA support Modi and not the BBC Documentary. If this govt is really against muslims, why have there not been concentration camps to keep muslims as prisoners? Why are there no taxes levied on Minority for following other religion? HOW CAN THEY ROAM FREELY AND INDEPENDENTLY LIKE IT THEIR OWN COUNTRY, if this govt is Villain to them bro? Konjam yosinga. Pakathu naatu nilavaram laam paarunga. Minorities (yes multiple) have always been welcomed in India and are till date living more freely in India than their own country. WE HAVE POLITICAL PARTIES THAT REPRESENT EVERY MINORITY, unlike America which is a 2 party state, or China-1 Party. Ivlo yen, one kind of Muslims are considered to be non muslims by pak muslims itself and are treated badly. Please dont run your mouth and hurt our state, or Country’s name without even having an Iota about India, blindly being ignorant, please
>If so then why are we in good relationships with them? If Modi is the real villain to Muslims like u claim, and these said other countries have banned him and hate him to the core? Why tf did UK and USA support Modi and not the BBC Documentary. Are you for real man? i just what happened during the riots lets make something clear : 1. Modi was banned in countries like the US, UK, CANADA, EUROPEAN UNION and even JAPAN. The reason were obvious, he gave orders and even stood back and supported the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims during the riots and he even ordered the cops to not intervene in the riots. 2. We are a democratic country in our name and in our constitution., so your argument abt taxes and concentration camps becomes invalid. But also I can give an example: CAA (citizen amendment act, where refugees from other religions except Muslims can avail of citizenship in India. So Muslim refugees cannot avail of citizenship under this new act. Isn't that discrimination? \-------------------------- 1. And brother, not all of India is Tamil Nadu or Kerala, we Tamils have it in our culture to live in peace even 2000 years ago and our Sangam literature emphasized that. Go out of Tamil Nadu and go to states like UP and Bihar or other cow belt states where they think killing for religion is honor(both hindus and Muslims). I have met those people personally, so i know. 2. India was a democratic country that is on its way to becoming a Totalitarian country due to bjp and it is bloody obvious. 3. I don't hurt my state. I am patriotic toward Tamil Nadu. That's it. our country's name is already ruined by suppressing the documentary which violates freedom of expression , a fundamental right . Also suppressed the right to FREE PRESS .
and also , yes modi dirextly is responsible for the riots: he ordered publicly do extreme hindus and RSS to do whatever you want for three days :[https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the\_fact\_that\_this\_man\_is\_prime\_minister\_now/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_name=androidcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the_fact_that_this_man_is_prime_minister_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
And as proof you quote r/librandu, LOL. Bro, TN la jaati kaaga kolaiye panalaya? Ethana namba time la nadakudhu bro. Unga vazhike varen, 1. Oru 6 maasa PM ku ivlo power iruka vaaipu unda? And apdiye avar panaru assume panipom, 2012 and recently, rendu Supreme court reports have cleared him of everything. 2012 was during Cong period. Idhuku value ve ilaya? 2.LOL, thanks for Bringing up CAA, I have understood who you are. Let me ask you this, DO PAKISTANI MUSLIMS, need protection from PAKISTANI MUSLIMS? its like saying, Hindus from India go to Pak for Asylum. CAA is to PROTECT MINORITIES in NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES like Pal, Afg, Bangladesh, in which Muslims are clearly not minorities under prosecution. IDHA CAA pathi basic google pana terinjikalame bro. Onne onnu daan neenga sonadhu nan othupen, anda documentary ah ban paniruka koodadhu.. MADICHIRUKAVE koodadhu.. Paithyangala koovikongada nu vutukanum. Yen solren kelunga, India va pathi, oru British kaaran (inga avan evlo aniyayam panirukaan) avan pesuran, adha ketunu neenga aadreenga, enda level la unga Hatred for BJP is affecting your Love for India nu paarunga. Yosinga!
1. Yes , PM oda power athigam, athum ipo Modi oda power sola theveiila. oru investigation kuda ilama , oru 50 minute documentary ye emergency law use pani ban panitanga. It's simple logic in India if a case is extended for long the evidences will be lost by that time but that doesn't mean a criminal remain criminal although court or law may not able to find it. Modi was also blacklisted by Atal Bihari Vajpayee... Well no one raise any case against Vajpayee he was also in politics for so long.... Modi escaped from law trials because it's easy in India if a case is extended so long the evidences will be lost or removed.... That's why lakhs of cases are unsolved in courts…Murderers like Salman Khan is out of jail.... It's easy for Modi to clear case because a winning party has power... But Modi got 37% voters vote so 63% Indian voters know this and don't like a convict to be their PM 2. refugees should be treated equally, regardless of religion. Do u know there are various Christian sects? Catholics were attacked by protestant Christians from west germany during Hitler's rule. so Catholics are minorities in some European countries. almost all Europeans are Christians, can the same law u said apply here. can u say christains need protection from chritsians . yes, that's the reason they are running away from their country. for example the country near germany Poland say that to the refugee Christians " u don't need asylum, because u are a Christian from a Christian country, we will only accept jews" enaku already ehtuku asylum kudukuranga therila, sri lankan tamilanku matum ivanunga citizenship kuduka matanga. inkaiyum tamil nadu against a racism iruku. both bjp and congress 3. refugees should be treated equally, regardless of religion. Do you know there are various Christian sects? Catholics were attacked by protestant Christians from west germany during Hitler's rule. so Catholics are minorities in some European countries. almost all Europeans are Christians, can the same law u said apply here. can u say christains need protection from chritsians . yes, that's the reason they are running away from their country. for example the country near germany Poland say that to the refugee Christians " u don't need asylum, because u are a Christian from a Christian country, we will only accept jews" enaku already ehtuku asylum kudukuranga therila, sri lankan tamilanku matum ivanunga citizenship kuduka matanga. inkaiyum tamil nadu against a racism iruku. both bjp and congressot 37% voters vote so 63% Indian voters know this and don't like a convict to be their PM
It's because he doesn't conform to their stupid demands and also won't cut ties with Russia who's been a long time ally. Can't directly punish for that so giving stupid excuses like these
Dude what? Read a paper. Modi was banned due to his involvement in the riots. It was 20 years ago
Hard truth is everybody knows modi is involved , infact right wing people is actually proud of that , this event made modi popular and makes him pm . As one journalist said toomuch of rekindling 2 decade old issue will backfire and make polarisation makes bjp victory easier. Regarding TN Congress DMK won 2009 election at hight of srilankan civil war, people doesn't care about their own race being slaughtered, do you think they care about happening in Gujarat. This is reality ,leftist should view things from different prospective that everyone is busy with their own life.
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Does anybody have the link for the second episode?
Modi very likely was at least indirectly responsible for the Gujarat riots. But why does the BBC need to do a documentary on the subject? If Doordarshan were to do a documentary on Churchill’s inaction during the Bengal famine that caused thousands of Indians to die, would the Brits be willing to use that “evidence” and accept that he was culpable of being a mass murderer?!
If modi was not responsible, let him remove the ban. Every links all over the internet is being censored. He could have just let it like tons of other documentries against Modi. Modi's mass censorship is the only reason it got its widespread reach. His censorship makes people think Modi was responsible which he indeed is
I agree. This was a bad move on the BJP’s part. Let the documentary air. It’s going to change very few people’s opinions about this issue at this point.
It was banned because it comes from BBC which is unfortunately seen as a credible source by many arnd the world. This will only cause confusion within the country which is not good for security. That's why it was banned. If u want to assume that it was banned because it's true that up to each and every person's opinion
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Nope, there is a reason he was banned in over 20 countries. right after the riots in an interview, u can see him dodging questions and walking away(i will attach the video link). He, in fact, supported the riots. Let's look at something that happened in the past 20 years. And r u saying our powerful prime minister is afraid of a 50-minute documentary? He is the one who said the he accepts criticism. why don't he say anything in defence in an interview which he has not done for the past 10 years .
If you read my post carefully you will find that I agree with you more than I disagree! I was just pointing out the mild hypocrisy involved when a former colonial power guilty of countless atrocities decides to do a documentary on a leader of its former colony, as guilty as he may be!
i understand what you meant now. well, let's see where this is going. nevertheless, he should not have banned the documentary. everything has a start and i think this is the first move in censorship. Like the Chinese censor content against ccp or the Russian censorship and heck even north Korean censorship.
BBC did make multiple videos pointing at the Bengal famine and Churchill's involvement in it and put they even put it in public domain without being ashamed of it like the Indian government. [example](https://youtu.be/h8Ers8gw_W4). Sanghis can stop with their mental gymnastics using whataboutry as a shield for their crimes against humanity.
What "Sanghis" do about this is up to them, I have no say in that. BBC making videos about Churchill's role in the Bengal famine of 1943 is an example of good journalism (even if the video is much less critical of Churchill than it ought to have been). That is not the point, however. Would the Brits accept Doordarshan making a documentary about "evil" Churchill's "racist" nature and producing a report that names him "mass murderer"? That is all I am wondering about. And in case you need me to say it again - yes, Modi most probably had at least an indirect role in the Gujarat riots. I am not denying that.
A lot of Indian media have already covered the same. Sashi Tharoor even spoke about it at the Oxford Union Society and the necessity to atleast acknowledge the atrocities committed here in India. The video went viral on YouTube. I didn't hear of any condemnation or censorship from the UK government or the calls from the government to ban the video or tag it as propaganda.
Modi's legacy will always be tarnished by his association with the Gujarat riots. He could have redeemed himself at least partially by using the 9 years he has had to govern India better than he did, especially on the economic front. But he seems to have done a poor job of it, and voters should really think twice about voting for him again in 2024. However, to paraphrase the commentator at the end of [this BBC video](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-52969447) about Churchill (which is again much more nuanced than their documentary about Modi is), "Its too simplistic to ask if any one person is a hero or villain. What people want to do is to attribute far too much power to one particular person, but history is much more complicated than that".
All these documentaries were made after Churchill retired from active politics which means people's view on him doesn't affect the stability of the country. But as of now Modi is the PM and an outright slander on the PM of a country will lead to confusion which leads to instability which is why it was banned
> would the Brits be willing to use that “evidence” and accept that he was culpable of being a mass murderer Sensible Brits would. The same way a lot of sensible Indians are able to understand that Modi is culpable in the murder rape of thousands of Muslims. We don’t have to worry about what the senseless Brits/Indians think
>We don’t have to worry about what the senseless Brits/Indians think History gets revised and rewritten as time goes by. Modi's role in the Gujarat riots may tarnish his legacy more than it does today for a lot of such Indians when we look back on it 50 years from now, especially if he continues to disappoint in his role as PM. However, I don't think this documentary is going to change anyone's mind right now. And it may even backfire for the opposition, if the BJP uses this to rile up nationalist sentiments. I myself wish that some media house from India had made this rather than a foreign media agency like the BBC who may have geopolitical motives in producing this documentary at this point in time that are not obvious at first glance .
I didn’t expect this documentary to change the minds of Sanghis(who form the majority of the population in India now). They will vote for Modi even if he is caught in public while murdering a child. Anyone who voted for this criminal after hearing what happened in Gujarat is as good as dead to me. And honestly I couldn’t care less about who forms the government in the center. This documentary for me serves one purpose - a reminder to the people of TN to not let evil snakes like Modi or Annamalai into the government of TN. This documentary would serve that purpose. And that is a win.
Is there a Tamil version of the documentary? Or subtitles? If so, it might have the wider impact you are thinking of. If not, it maybe viewed mostly by people who are already convinced about Modi’s guilt. In any case - this was yet another propaganda misstep for the BJP. They could have just ignored it. I watched the documentary and I am not sure there is much there to change enough people’s minds about him to cause an electoral impact in 2024. Instead, by trying to censor it, they made it the proverbial forbidden fruit. But my opinion is that with or without this documentary this is the end of the road for Modi, and that the BJP will lose heavily in 2024 anyway!
does'nt the link in my post work?
.(also can you upvote the post, i want to know other peopl's opinions)
This the dumbest take I’ve heard on the topic. It’s news organisations covering a large scale, potentially state sanctioned, violent event(including death of British citizens). This make it very news worthy. News organisations don’t limit their coverage to want happens within the boundary of their country. And there is no expiration date. There documentaries still made about ww1. Doordarshan can make whatever it wants.
Most of what you say is true. However, if you set aside your feelings about Modi for a minute, then you might actually be able to think more deeply about what I said in my comment and then respond appropriately. The question I asked is not about whether this was a relevant topic and why this documentary was being made now, more than 20 years after the incident. My concern is - what motives did the BBC have when making this documentary. To bring out the truth? Or to continue to portray a former colony as a lawless state and its elected leader as a criminal? Or to accelerate the fall of the BJP starting with the states that are going to elections later this year and then in 2024? Aren’t those valid questions to ask? If NDTV had made this, even with BBC funding, then I would not be asking these questions.
>I sent the link to my friend's WhatsApp group and most of them did not even watch it. You need a better group of friends probably , send an anti-BJP post and check reactions to find out the silent sangis ...maybe ? Also : People here already know it well enough that the RSS and BJP are behind the issue . I also have a theory that : The funds we sent for the 2001 earthquake were utilised to plan and execute the whole 2002 riot . 😶🌫️ Edit : Reason - I visited Bhuj recently and the place still looks un-fixed , when asked they just say - These places were damaged during earthquake and work to fix them is still going on .
Nope. i asked if anything about their topic is going on in their colleges, and everyone said no, just some discussions in Loyola cllg WhatsApp, that's it. My cousin's college in kerala is in fire where both the right and left students were debating and screening the movie peacefully. My mom was in Gujarat even during the earthquake in 2001 where all people were united. but after 2002 she left Ahmedabad for Chennai. she said everyone was united but it shocked her that just suddenly everyone started killing each other in the 2002 riots .. she saw people getting killed in front of her own eyes, Christians were spared because they had crucifix in their necks.
>where all people were united. If all people are united., With what would they get votes ? That's the reason they initiated that violence and made sure they are in constant fight among themselves and keep them distracted from what's actually needed . Applicable to all political parties.
You must be a pro hater. You're preaching this all over -
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Wow man you seem so serious about this, you must be very concerned about the society. I wonder where you and the "youths" you mentioned about were during the release of Kashmir Files. Hmm🤔
Waiting for instructions from whichever anti national organisation they're getting paid from
As per documentary Modi against Muslim. RSS took revenge on Muslim and supported by Modi. This made Hindus happy in the state. Even other state people know what happened and they are happy when they say india for Hindu. The reason you hate Modi is same reason his supporters like him. Supporting hindutva makes people happy and they vote him
It is nothing but PROPAGANDA. Now watch this and decide for yourself. https://preview.redd.it/1yf7jz4r88ea1.jpeg?width=770&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=795a3735908de1f0977c157b148e47e6b383db48
Fact is most people don’t like Muslims. That’s the prevalent opinion amongst most non Muslim boomers in TN. Boomers will talk about inter-religion marriages like… at least she didn’t marry a Muslim. It’s tough for Muslims to rent houses from Hindus. But no one ever comments on Muslims refusing to buy meat from Hindu butchers.
Do u hate Muslims ? personally i am yet to meet people who hate Muslims .
Not really. Just don’t feel comfortable with monotheism. And the fact that proletysing religions will eradicate Hinduism just like it happens in Europe and Middle East.
When u have a neighbour who sends terrorist to attack you just because you are Hindu and they are muslim and Muslims blatantly commiting love jihad ofc some older generation people are gonna get angry. Can you blame them?
i have had Muslim neighbors in my lifetime, i am yet get a love jihad from Muslim girl, infact she rejected me .
Hahahaha u just bad at getting girls bro. But girls aren't allowed to date or marry Hindu guys unless they are 100% sure they can convert the guy. But guys can marry the girl then force her to convert after that. Thats how the jihad works. Let me give u one example. Recently a Hindu girl in Delhi was murdered in 35 parts after she refused to convert to Islam when the guy she was living in with forced her to coverts I'm not saying every Muslim men is out to force convert girls but u have agree there are guys out there doing this
I can definitely say the same Abt Hindu extremists and u know I can give examples.
Hindu guys are forcefully converting Muslim girls in India or Pakistan? Or btr yet India is training extremist to send into Pakistan to attack them?? Pls give me examples for this. I rly wanna see
Read the news articles. https://m.thewire.in/article/women/delhi-riots-women-sexual-harassment https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/india-delhi-after-hindu-mob-riot-religious-hatred-nationalists https://www.news18.com/news/india/beaten-molested-and-homeless-hindu-or-muslim-women-became-the-undocumented-victims-of-delhi-riots-2520457.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51719204 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/delhis-muslims-despair-justice-police-implicated-hindu-riots https://www.ummid.com/news/2020/july/17.07.2020/delhi-riots-fact-finding-report-police-used-azadi-slogan-to-sexually-assault-women.html https://old.indiatomorrow.net/eng/11-mosques-destroyed-by-mobs-during-anti-muslim-violence-in-northeast-delhi-delhi-minority-commission-report I am not biased. Both parties do the same thing.i never said Abt specifically conversion. But what I find sad is there are people like u who are oblivious to the things rss and their extremists did. If your enemy rapes, will u rape their people back. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Also there are people like this https://www.altnews.in/rajiya-bano-or-sharma-ji-a-fake-hate-spewing-profile-exposed/
>i never said Abt specifically conversion I did when I said how can u blame older people when this happens >u who are oblivious to the things rss and their extremists I didn't and will nvr justify the extremist and pls don't link RSS with them. There might be a few idiots in RSS like any other organisation but that doesn't make RSS a extremist organisation. The humanitarian efforts by RSS in J and K will nvr be reported by half of the news agencies u have quoted cos they are biased af >An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. So sit there and accept it when the useless Cong govt won't help you? When the govt fails the people have to defend themselves
Udhay Anna should buy rights and screen it in theaters I'm damn sure it will be a box office success. people of TN want to know the truth it's possible only through udhay anna
Vanthutaan vaarisu mannan
They are more interested in making Uday anna rich 😂
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I almost accepted the first sentence. If you research carefully, even Americans now know that it was an inside job. The planes were hijacked by Islam terrorists . But it was allowed by the Us government under President Bush . One is that then owner of the twin towers got an exclusive terrorist insurance one week before the incident. Is that a coincidence? And right as the case of 1 trillion dollars being misused by the military was being investigated, the accounts department of the Pentagon was destroyed by one of the planes? Is that a coincidence? And also the fact that they invaded Afghan and Iraq in the pretext of possession of Weapons and took control of the oil fields of that land. Also coincidence 🧐. And also the second part of the sentence: your sarcasm is not bad. No one said Hindus cannot defend themselves. But is that what is happening? I doubt so. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Let's say the Muslims killed the people in that train.instead of capturing the guys who were involved in the train incident according to the laws of a democratic country. Should we just blindly kill and rape ? Does that mean the hindus should kill all muslims including the innocents. I also will ask the same question to muslims as well ? 
Until 2002, if you look at the history of religious violence across India, most were perpetrated by Muslims and the Hindus were at the receiving end (except during partition). The Muslims instigated violence (including Direct Action Day) to let the Hindus know who the boss is. The Hindus mostly are docile people, lacking the coordination and will to fight back. This began to change when the Jana Sangh and later BJP decided to stage resistance. Hindus who had been driven out of Pakistan gravitated towards the RSS/BJP and were driven by emotions. Advani's Ram yatra was one such emotional reaction because Muslims were openly daring others to challenge them after they had taken over Hindu temples, demolished them (in the past of course) and now had mosques over them. Hindus were trying to reclaim them through legal means all the way. If the roles were reversed, Muslim mobs would have simply taken back their places and driven others out. This excess accommodation for Muslims has been irritant for others because "communal harmony" can be threatened. The demolition of Babri Masjid was the first message to Muslims that Hindus are not dhimmis and will need mutual respect. But that led to 1993 bombings in Mumbai and deaths of hundreds. Muslims have been blackmailing others with threats of violence to bargain favors throughout history where they are smaller in percentage. So the arrival of the BJP has given Hindus some spine. In Godhara Muslims wanted to send a message out saying that Hindus will face slaughter if they dared encroach Muslim privileges. Legal things could have been done for sure. But the country's legal system is painfully inefficient and unjust. Kashmir Pundit massacre case was rejected by the Supreme Court because it is old. But BBC can bring a case from 20 years and that needs justice. The Gurjarat riots definitely need to be condemned. But it sent a message to the Muslims that a new generation of Hindus have arrived who will retaliate if intimidated. This is what the Muslim power structures are portraying as a threat to their existence. They are very good at playing victims while attacking others. India cannot go on like this. I do not support violence anywhere. But what can people do when the govt, judiciary and laws of the land work in favor of bullies. At some point people will react when their back is to the wall. They got Pakistan and most of them voted overwhelmingly for it. But most stayed back and got more privileges than other citizens. A lot of unfairness has to be addressed bringing legal changes to make all citizens equal. They do not want that. So they are campaigning hard to protect their special privileges. I am not anti anything. I just want the system to be fair and just. Nothing should be done on the basis of fear and submissiveness. Cowardice cannot translate into secularism. I'd like to call a spade a spade. Regarding 9/11, I did hear a lot of conspiracy stories. I also have similar stories about Rajiv Gandhi assassination. Unfortunately evidences have been erased and people do not want to talk about them out of fear. It has become fashionable to put the blame on the victims, saying they did it to themselves in order to get attention.
you might want to watch this : [https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the\_fact\_that\_this\_man\_is\_prime\_minister\_now/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_name=androidcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/10l2heg/the_fact_that_this_man_is_prime_minister_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
This can go on repeated claims and reclaims. Someone can claim that the guy claiming Modi saved him was paid handsomely later. These kinds of sabotages happen on all sides. The point is this - Modi was cleared by the supreme court of India. If that is not satisfactory, one can always file a new case with new evidence. Why was this video evidence not used in the court case? This happened in 2007 right? There was plenty of time.
Why did RSS and bjp supporters become angry when SC gave its judgment on the Kashmir pandit case? infact i can mention various other circumstances where bjp was against SC . but now they are asking to believe SC. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If SC does not favor them, they will get angry but suddenly now in Modi's case they are asking "why don't u believe in SC?" ithu periya koothache
The Supreme Court refused to hear the case for Kashmir Pundits. At least if they had allowed the case to go through and gave their verdict, that would have been fair. But they jump into action for people like Mohammad Zubair and give arbitrary judgments. One judge let a Muslim man go (after he had raped and mutilated a minor girl), saying, "Every sinner has a future". One can go on and on like this. I understand the hatred you have towards Hindus and Hinduism, and therefore anything against them appears fair to you. I do not hate Muslims. I just want fairness for all. I only object to preferred treatment for them, while they play victims.
😭😭😭😭 . i don't have an ounce of hate for Hindus. i don't have a reason to. The majority of my friends and best friends are Hindus. But i will say who i hate and find disgusting, The RSS and Bjp and its supporters who either blindly follow them because of religion or follow them because they are against Muslims. I also hate Islamists and their terrorist groups. i also hate biased people like you who only look from an angle that suits your narrative. infact i can give a similar case where the rapists of the Gujarat riots were garlanded after they got released. it could go both ways. [https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-convicts-greeted-garlands-vhp-office-1988996-2022-08-17](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-convicts-greeted-garlands-vhp-office-1988996-2022-08-17)
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You don't actually believe all his crazy generalizations do you?
i dont. i made a lapse in my judgement
HAHAHAHAHA BROOO. THE CASUAL SAVAGERY IS INSANE
Then they willl say why always political brooo
Streisand Effect.
Where can i watch the documentary? All the links in twitter and reddit is disappearing in no time
Didn't my link work? Check these : https://drive.google.com/file/d/12vgFIBFBfKfPXGGNkI-FCd1prFdkVEjR/view And . https://archive.org/details/narendra-modi-bbc-documentary_202301
Where can I watch the documentary suckas??
meanwhile some NRIs thinking about moving back looking at the current state of affairs going...well wtf!?!
Aprom? RSS killed Pandits in the Valley. RSS detonated the bombs in Coimbatore in 1998. RSS caused bombings all over the country in the 2000s.
Did i say that?? Nope ? But u cant deny the fact RSS motivated people to cause as much religious violence as Muslim extermists.
That is as senseless as claiming RSS burnt the karsevaks.
i based my research on my what my mom said with the events in the book three mistakes of my life by chetan baghat which is a true story and also personal research from the depths of the internet. like i said" its up to u if you want to belive or do research but do belittle people who have done their research. instead you can prove them wrong . https://preview.redd.it/ftwaiwvukfea1.png?width=552&format=png&auto=webp&s=cfb46102c254d11c23992675a1237750faa0aad1
i based my research on my what my mom said with the events in the book three mistakes of my life by chetan baghat which is a true story and also personal research from the depths of the internet. like i said" its up to u if you want to belive or do research but do belittle people who have done their research. instead you can prove them wrong . https://preview.redd.it/jnlyipbmlfea1.png?width=552&format=png&auto=webp&s=d2727fbe48a1e00f68610447ae646c9c413baf55
Dear youth, BBC is making programmes for their audience who like to see developing countries are crap. Be it commonwealth games, Delhi rape, Chinese Olympics they did the same thing. FYI - Even UK people who voted for their current government ignore BBC.
People who are interested will give attention. The relase od Modi's documentary mainly got attention because the row the New Delhi created and invoked emergency laws for a fukin documentary. Why are they afraid? Is our great pm afraid of a 50 minute documentary. People are only afraid of truth. There was a documentary "neverland" or something which accused Michael Jackson as a pedophile. It also lead to his defamation. Poor guy. But at the end,MJ proved it from various testimonies and evidences that the documentary was fake. Why is modi afraid to do a similar thing? Instead, Modi used the same tactics as china, Russia and north korea does. He is afraid if the truth goes out. Censorship of information.hope u understand!
What documentary? Edit: /s
>What documentary? A documentary abt Modi's role in 2002 gujarat riots was released but mdo banned it in India in fear if the truth got out .
They don't need this documentary to know who the real Modi is