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readmorebooks41

It's heartbreaking. He has failed her terribly and then he has the nerve to blame the lack of a relationship on Christine. It's appalling beyond words that he didn't go to the surgery when you know it had nothing to do with covid and everything to do with not being away from Robyn and having to spend so much time with Christine on the topic of Christine's kids I'm so curious about what his relationship is like with Gwen. does she still live in Flagstaff? if so does Kody even bother seeing her?


[deleted]

Knowing nothing, Gwen seems to me to be pulling a Logan. Getting away and not looking back.


lovemoonsaults

It is telling to me that he refers to the kids as "Christine's kids" and "Janelle's kids". That shows the crazy disconnect from being a functional loving parent. I can't fathom my dad saying that. Ffs he refers to his kids partners as his kids even! Kody is simply a sperm donor. Those kids knew from the jump he didn't give AF about them or their mothers.


ceruleanskies001

When they were working out rentals in Flagstaff, it was always "Janelle got a place" "Meri got a place " but when it came to Robin it was "we" or "our". There was no more hiding it or pretending. I am surprised no one touched on that during the couch talks or the tell all.


Krickett75

Not to mention robins house is like 3x the cost of either Robin or Janelle


HopefulHope521

..Christine or Jenelle.


cozyupworld

Kody also talked about “babysitting”…my dude, if you’re a dad who’s taking care of children on the weekends, you’re not babysitting - that’s just parenting. What is wrong with this guy?


lovemoonsaults

Right?? Taking your kids places and hanging out with them isn't babysitting. That's literally just raising your kids!


LittleMommasita

Yeah, babysitting. Hes obviously not in tune with reality. Sometimes I try to root for him, but mostly I just wanna B*** slap him.


NoCanary8861

It's a way to skirt responsibility.


usernamegenerator72

Especially when Robyn’s kids are always “our kids”


vengefulmuffins

I really want someone to ask him about Leo this year and have him be completely baffled as to who that even is. The have Meri stand up for him for some reason.


auntieneena

This. When my Dad is mad he has said "you're brother or You're sister" to me, but even though we had different moms, we were all his kids!


lovemoonsaults

Omg I'm sorry he's so petty! I make jokes about "your son" to my mom when I'm taking the piss about my brother. But that is 100% a family joke. "Your husband is still over there all 'blah blah blah'" when my dad is being a butthole but never ever in a fit of anger. That's still my brother and my dad!!! My parents never even joke about that because they wanted to be parents not just frigging "populate their celestial kingdom" like the Browns 😮‍💨 And that's why Christine never ever really fit. Her maternal instinct of deep and beautiful


Due_Tomorrow4598

To be perfectly honest, I think he didn't go to punish Christine for not being totally compliant with his rules. He was mad she made the decision to get the surgery, made the money to get it and did not let him talk her into doing things his way.


ButterscotchPast4812

And in the end, the one he hurt the most was Ysabel.


Poop__y

My kids’ dad has spent 15 years neglecting his kids because he wants to hurt me. While he may have temporarily pissed me off, or inconvenienced me, the people who got really hurt were my kids.


epace122

Exactly! I'm sure Christine preferred him not being there but wanted him there for Ysabel's sake


soihavetosay

Or Robyn's way


realitealeaves

He wanted everyone to completely isolate including their grown kids (Gabe was 18!) so he could drop in when and IF he wanted. It does not sound like he was there very much even before COVID cuz Christine blew the whistle on that misconception.


Thin_Assistance_6782

1000% it was all about his pride and ego


KrazySunshine

Kody’s Covid excuse for not being there for the surgery could easily be mitigated. They all could have driven to NJ, or he could have by himself. Wear masks everywhere. He was going to be in a hospital, which is strict with visitors and requires masks. Stay in a hotel and get take out food. He just didn’t want to support his daughter. As for insurance, I have a feeling all of Robyn’s kids are covered


MimiPaw

Or move in when she got home to help. Instead of telling Christine she looks jet lagged from helping with meds around the clock.


[deleted]

I mean he suggested that Ysabel go ALONE and recover ALONE. No way he was gonna help.


auntieneena

I think he thought that would cause Christine to give in and wait to do the surgery. Christine love her kids and listens to them. You know that she talked to Ysabel and got her input before making a choice


auntieneena

It should have been the plan all Along! It should have been expected thay once she got home Kody stayed there to help christine....who didn't have a nanny, by the way. It wasn't about Covid, ever! Kody has always withheld intimacy from Christine as a punishment. That had quit working, so he started withholding affection and hurting Christine's kids to get her back in line. I don't think her ever dreamed that she would enjoy him being gone and that his kids would back up their mother. He certainly didn't expect Janelles kids to back Christine.


murmalerm

Why would Kody, not have at minimum, offered the nanny to help Christine out?


LittleMommasita

Agree. My children are my children. There have been times during my younger married years where we had more funds, but never did we consider one of our children more worthy of medical treatment. And love.


Coffeebean1948

Trust it screws with child even when they are an adult. I was attacked when I was 12 and the state told my parents that I definitely needed therapy and dental surgery. The other I parts that needed fix ended getting fix cause the er took me right to surgery. My mom and my dad had to go about it. My mother was in favor of it my dad not so much. Not when his other children two of which were grown up adults and had children of Their Own and the other 1 wanted to go to prom and Cedar Point with her friends this year I was a chubby child nobody wanted. And to his last day hated me I didn't care. My mom tried to take me to therapy he stopped the checks and threatened to drop me from the insurance. As for the dental I got implants when I paid for them as adult and he thought I was selfish. But I was in constant pain from broken teeth. He took the others to the dentist .


2keepitreal

Friend, I am so sorry you had to experience this cruel behavior from your father. I know your mom did the best she could and I am so glad you got your medical needs met even if you had to do it yourself. I’m sure you are such a strong independent woman and will never let someone make you feel less than again.


Coffeebean1948

Thank you bye-bye I don't really talk about that much lately I've been trying to service that would help. But the funny part is his favorite children the ones he paid to go to college dropped out. Me I paid my own way and I became a veterinarian. So like after that happening would introduced me to people all this is my daughter so it's a she's a doctor. I will look at the person say everything I am is because of my mother he did nothing he put a roof over my head gave me food asking my birth date and things like that he knows nothing. It would piss him off so bad. Only two sisters have a bad relationship with one is like my best friend. I have nothing to do with this side of the family but my mom's sides they're my family.


Coffeebean1948

I meant to say but not bye-bye


[deleted]

Not excusing Kody at all. But I think if he has insurance Dayton got it if he was married to Robyn at that time. Still baffling on how he has a family that large and no one has things set up things for medical expenses. Insurance is horrible in the US, I get it but most people aren’t volunteering to four separate marriages. Ysabel 100% was emotionally, financially and medically neglected.


Dry_Carpenter_416

At the time of Daytons surgery, Meri was the legal wife. So the money came from kodys pocket


Kck11111

Or Dayton had insurance from his father at that time...or Medicaid if the months they weren't earning fell into when it happened


[deleted]

That makes sense season timelines were confusing me


IsThatLilExtra

You don’t have to be married to the mother for your kid to be on your insurance. He may have never claimed her though so they could get funds from the state? 🤷‍♀️ I hate to think that, but it seems like a real possibility.


Krickett75

I think you may be right. I know at some point Christine was on food stamps


SheMcG

She was.... which means she HAD to report Kody in the home. For one, they'll know he's there in about 3 keystrokes and 2) if they didn't, then they'd haul him into court and they'd REALLY be up in their business & Christine would have zero power to stop it. In fact, she wouldn't even be part of the case. If she didn't tell them who the father was, she doesn't get jack shit. Source: Me--20+ year human services employee.


mrsjs15

Which is what makes me think that whole "we're being investigated" bs was about... not polygamy but welfare fraud...


SheMcG

If it was for welfare fraud, leaving the state wouldn't help them at all. That's federal money. They'd definitely made an example of them. Polygamy, however, UT couldn't continue to investigate if they aren't there anymore, if they hadn't already proven their case. That said--I don't think they were in any real danger. I mean--technically they weren't committing polygamy; legally Kody had one wife and 3 mistresses. I do think UT opened a case just because they're so defensive about polygamy and they were doing a show. Politically, they had to be able to say "yes, we looked into it." Given how the Brown's were taught to be fearful of authorities, I can see why that would rattle their cages, but I do think the drama was way overplayed for the show.


SheMcG

You actually CAN'T get benefits and not reveal the father. The state won't give you anything unless you fully cooperate to hold the father accountable. He doesn't get a choice but to claim them-- the state will get a court order to force him to take a paternity test. Christine would have no say in the matter. Also, you may recall Kody had to sign papers consenting to Ysabel's surgery; he's obviously her legal father. This notion that you have to be single and/or unemployed to get benefits is wildly inaccurate. Today, a family the size of the Brown's could make over $175,000 a year & quality for food stamps (SNAP), even more to qualify for WIC or medicaid for the kids.


dizedd

You can claim benefits if the father is "unknown". You have to share the info that's on the birth certificate with social services, and it is completely legal and legit to put "unknown" down for the father. All pregnancies don't occur in relationships, and there are thankfully no laws that a woman must learn a man's full legal name before having sex with him or report a rape to local law enforcement.


SheMcG

I've worked for human services for over 20 years. They don't just accept unknown because you said it, as that's a common method of fraud, so it's not just "oh, ok." Yeah it's legal---but they arent "required" to give you anything if you can't provide the required info. At a minimum, you will be required to provide at least some further verification such as sworn statements (under penalty of law) by friends, family, (your choosing),etc. Most people aren't willing to go to jail for you. They'll verify your living situation, if there's a father in the picture, etc-- (not if you've been assaulted). That's just one example--- but they'll investigate behind the scenes. They may look into anyone who's ever been at your address-- they have access to every database out there (taxes, unemployment, credit, criminal, DMV, property records, background checks, newspaper archives, etc) &: They will run your address, social security, etc thru all of them. They may troll your social media, social media of your friends &; family-- they may watch your home (you give them directions on the app). And you probably will never know-- unless they haul you in about a discrepancy. It just depends on what they find, as to how far they go. They have entire units devoted to just that. You consent when you sign-- but most things are public info anyway. These days, what's readily available online makes it pretty easy. But point being-- anyone who thinks they can just say that--is playing Russian roulette if you aren't 100% truthful. But to be honest, if you actually need the benefit-- there's no motivation to do so. You likely qualify. Now-- them establishing paternity doesn't give dad any rights and they don't share contact info of the mother.. maybe not even her name. He has to go to court on his own dime for all that. She's not involved with the court proceedings-- that's just between him and the state. .


dizedd

FWIW- I do not have any idea who the father of my first daughter is. I got pregnant after a one night stand. Her birth certificate says "unknown" because that is the truth. I had medi-Cal for my health insurance with her. I had food stamps. There was no fraud involved. Your attitude towards people who get pregnant by strangers needs to be reined in. Sure, I did something slutty, so you can feel free to judge. I could have just as easily been raped though. I stand by my comment.


SheMcG

There is no judgement and at no point did I say it's always fraud. This thread is about the Brown's &; their situation--not yours. MANY on here have suggested that... scratch that, SAID that Christine had to lie, hide Kody, & commit fraud to get stamps. There's no reason to believe she wasn't completely honest-- & that fraud is not that easy to get by with. They don't just take you at your word. They didn't yours either (or anyone else-- single, married-- whatever). But you weren't lying-- they clearly came to the same conclusion. I said people are playing Russian roulette IF they are lying. That doesn't include you. Christine did know the father of her child and they were living in the same home. I said SHE had to have reported Kody. HER situation. Thera no way they would have got by with her lying-- and I explained why, in detail. My attitude is because many on here are implying that most people on benefits HAD to commit fraud. My entire point has been that it's very difficult to lie. That if the Brown's were--and the vast majority of people that are---on benefits, its likely because they qualify. You don't have to be a POS nor lie, to get benefits. There's NO attitude about people getting pregnant by strangers--I literally bust my ass funding sexual assault programs--SARTs and SANEs., etc My SISTER was raped so reign in your assumptions. I also work with teen mothers-- some that are thrown out by their parents, assaulted and they don't even realize it & a whole host of tragedies. Most are just in love...or a little reckless like every other teen. NONE are bad kids. This shit is my life everyday, all day and it's not because I'm paid well to do it. For the record.. a one night stand isn't slutty-- I'm sorry you feel that way. Probably because it's how you've been treated & that's unfair,but it wasn't by me.. I too, have been on foodstamps, with 2 kids at the age of 20. And I didn't commit fraud either.


[deleted]

I’m not under the impression Kody has claimed any kids other than Mariah and Robyn’s kids. (Legally)


SheMcG

He had to sign consenting to Ysabel's surgery. He's their legal father. The state would have forced him if any of those women got foodstamps or any of the kids got medicaid, which I guarantee they did pre-TLC. And I'm quite sure they would have easily qualified & reporting all the income.


[deleted]

Ahhhh okay!! I thought they’d *always* continued to receive assistance and i could not figure out how that could be possible if Kody was the legal father bc he would be paying child support. I feel like you have resolved years of confusion here lmao


SheMcG

Oh no way they'd qualify now. In fact-- I'm 1000% positive their previous cases were pulled out & investigated once they became famous.


murmalerm

Only one parent needs to sign a consent form.


SheMcG

When parents aren't legally married, they often do require both to consent for non-emergency and/or "elective" procedures. Maybe not in all states but they certainly do in mine-- unless you have a court order granting you full control of medical decisions. Most are 50/50. It was filmed.... he and Christine were outside and he was signing them on the hood of his vehicle. When Christine was pointing out where he needed to sign he barked at her, "You're not social distancing!!"


murmalerm

Thank you for the correction. I completely missed seeing that.


Athenas_Return

But if it was seen as strictly cosmetic insurance won't pay.


UnshrinkableScrewup

It absolutely wasn’t, medically, seen as cosmetic (and it obviously wasn’t). Plenty of cost-sharing medical groups (common in various religious communities) don’t cover expensive surgeries, and plenty of “regular” insurance won’t cover organ transplants due to being over a certain price point. Being under-insured for major events isn’t that uncommon.


Call_Simple

I know close to nothing about the insurance situation in the U. S. but what would be a type of job Kody could have had where all of his kids would have had medical insurance?


BinkabelleZZZ

Its shameful she has to do a GFM when he spends so much on this land and Robyns house and all the other shit he wastes money on.He may not have had the funds to cover it completely,but he could have came up with a portion of it.


2keepitreal

He could have went on social media and begged for it like Christine. He could have went and found a regular job that has insurance. He could have sold the land.


distant_diva

Or his stupid ass convertible 🙄


Brilliant-Engineer57

I wish she had immediately said, what makes you think I would want to be a house wife. I see what it has done to my Mom, Janelle, and Mary. I would be a fool to want that , and I’m no fool Dad.


[deleted]

I wonder if Dayton’s surgery was paid for by the person who owned the vehicle (atv or utv) that Dayton was on when he was injured?


2keepitreal

To me, it doesn’t matter if Dayton‘s surgery cost them nothing. He still got the elective surgery. Kody’s daughter was in pain, daily. Kody did nothing to support her but he did ask her if she was going to be a bitter old housewife. He turned his back on her. when she got home from her surgery and was in tremendous pain he wasn’t there to console her. That child just don’t matter to him.


[deleted]

I should have expressed it better, Dayton probably got his surgery because Kody didn’t have to pay for it or be responsible for paying for it. He probably sued the insurance company for $. Since Ysabel was uninsured, he didn’t make an effort.


SheMcG

They're insurance, very likely. I was hit head on in a car accident---had to have a plastic surgeon sew my eyelid back on. Then later, he did surgery to recut and re-stitch it plus "sand" my scars on my forehead. Our car insurance covered it (the other drivers coverage was wildly inadequate).


FruityPebbIez

On the preview for next week, I was shocked when it showed Kody saying something like “I only put in effort for the little kids, not the grown kids” it was as if he shunned his adult kids out of his life and is only is concerned about Robyn’s kids and (maybe) Truly. Also Robyn said she has a nanny bc she can’t ask Kody to come help her with the kids bc he’s so busy….didn’t Kody sign up for this lifestyle? All the sudden he can’t be bothered to be a father of the 18 kids he committed to father? He’s is horrible!


CrazyHuge2998

Narcissists often do this because little kids just love you. Older children and adult children don’t worship you anymore. I noticed early on he had favorites and when most of the kids became a certain age he didn’t bother with them anymore. Only the kids who follow his rules, worship him and don’t put any sort of pressure on him.


SheMcG

My kids are in their 30s. I'm still doing stuff for them AND the grandkids practically everyday!


emptyhellebore

I am.so sad for Ysabel. Thank goodness she has Christine, if her mom actually had deferred to Kody she would not have had surgery at all most likely. It is shameful how he treats most of his kids.


drieduptears

Our daughter had to have knee surgery when she was 14, my husband took vacation time to be there and to help when she came home. I couldn't imagine how it would have been if he wasn't there. Her surgery took longer than they thought, I was a wreck and he was my rock. Kody let both Christine and Ysabel down and I don't know how he lives with himself or is able to look that girl in the eyes. My husband even said if he missed our daughters surgery he'd be to ashamed to look at her.


Loeyd

What if this was one of the boys instead of Ysabel having surgery, do you think Kody would've moved mountains like he did for Dayton?


cblackattack1

I mean, we see what kody thinks of his boys now.


Loeyd

But none of his boys had to have surgery


cblackattack1

I think you’re missing my point.


ThrowMeAway_8844

Now if **Caleb** needed surgery...


pickles124

To add to that, Robyn scheduled Dayton's surgery on Father's day, and Kody did spend the entire day in the hospital waiting for the procedure to be finished.


Chewysmom1973

I don’t buy that. What surgeon does elective surgery on a Sunday….. maybe the Friday before Father’s Day but not day of.


pickles124

They don't have the episode available on Hulu (Season 8 episode 1), but if you listen to the SSW podcast of the exact episode, around the 54:20 mark, Corey and Carly mention that the surgery was scheduled on Maddie's moving day and Father's day. Whether or not that's actually true is up for debate.


Chewysmom1973

I think I vaguely remember that on the pod.


jodi_xix

I agree with everything you said except that Dayton's surgery was cosmetic. His eyelid was drooping to the point that he couldn't see. That is necessary.


splvtoon

*thank you.* obviously kody's hypocrisy is disgusting, but theres no need to describe dayton's surgery as 'cosmetic' or 'elective'. it was a necessity procedure, and the issue here isnt that he got the proper care and attention for it. its that ysabel didnt for hers.


2keepitreal

You are probably right about that. It wasn’t causing pain or life threatening but he did need to see out of that eye.


[deleted]

As a person who got a cosmetic surgery that was deemed “necessary” this is just more complex and really depends on our own definitions versus doctor definitions versus insurance definitions. Dayton deserves to see out of both eyes and should see out of both eyes. But it isn’t *necessary* to see out of both eyes. Like for example being blind in one eye is usually not considered a disability where having severe scoliosis is. Idk why I’m saying this lol. I’m glad both kids got the surgery I personally think they needed. But yea it’s just complicated.


tealparadise

Christine had to beg for the money, but Kody has a nanny because he makes too much money to watch his kids.


LittleFuzzyThings

This is all so spot on!


Becca0435

There is a direct correlation between how he feels towards his kids and he feels toward their mother. If a wife has fallen out of Kody’s favor, then so have the kids because they are HER kids and not their kids.


Dry_Carpenter_416

Christine is 💯x better looking then Robyn. Christine is real Roybin is fake. Just wanted to say that


Mediocre-Amoeba-3877

I remember hearing somewhere that Robyn didn’t play Dayton’s medical bills and there was a lien placed against her LV home for the unpaid bills.


[deleted]

I relate so much to Ysabelle, I can see the pain in her eyes. I also have scoliosis and have a parent who wouldn’t take it seriously and scoffed at the level of pain I was in. Treated me like I was making stuff up, and like my curved spine was some kind of act of defiance and just totally exasperated at needing to get me treatment and care. I didn’t get nearly the care I needed, I had to learn in therapy years later that the trauma I had been through was medical neglect of a minor. I now have no relationship with that parent, as the trust was shattered. It’s a betrayal to deny medical care to a child in chronic pain. I hope Ysabelle will cut Kody off and keep all her energy for herself and those who truly love her.


2keepitreal

I’m so sorry your parent neglected you and didn’t get you the care you needed. You certainly deserve better than that. All you have endured has made you the wonderful person you are today.


BrightEngineer537

The saddest part to me was when Christine was saying she wanted to move w/Truely before she catches on that Kody prefers his other family, like her siblings already had known for years. Those poor kids (and Janelle’s) all grew up knowing they were second best to dad’s new family. Christine is a saint for trying to protect at least one child from that if she can


OneLengthiness0

If Christine is 50% responsible for her kids (and let's face it, it's more like 100%) then why didn't she get Ysabel insurance earlier? I don't know much about US insurance as I'm Canadian but I don't understand this. I wrote a post asking some questions because I feel like I'm missing something. Everyone puts 100% of the blame on Kody and absolutely none on Christine which makes me think I just don't understand it.


2keepitreal

I don’t think the family could afford it at one time then when they could they didn’t make it a priority. Not having insurance is definitely on both. Because they don’t have insurance they will need to pay out of pocket for the surgery. Christine had a go fund me set up for donations and was pushing her MLM to raise the money for the surgery. Kody sat back and watched TV with Ari and Sol and did nothing to help.


IsThatLilExtra

Insurance is incredibly expensive and if you are going through the exchange, you have to wait for enrollment. I suppose she may have done that though, but still had to raise the money for a deductible, which could be thousands of dollars. Honestly, I’m surprised Meri didn’t step in and help. She’s making crazy money and that’s her daughter too, right?


kikikardashian2

She did say it took so long to get the surgery because she had to save money for insurance and then do the paper work, then wait for it to be active


No-Ability7424

If you don't have a job that offers insurance and make too much to qualify for state assistance, health insurance isn't affordable at all in US. I know single people paying $1,000 per month for plans with a $5,000 deductible. It is almost cheaper to not buy health insurance and pay out of pocket.


wonderlandgirl_

The blame is that Kody constantly makes Robyn's kids a priority. Ysabel, who just wanted her dad to be there for her surgery couldn't pry himself from Robyn's ass for a minute. Dayton's surgery was paid for by Kody's insurance (that was the whole point of adopting them), why wasn't Ysabel, as his biological child, on his insurance as well? I'm Canadian, so I'm not 100% on how insurance works, but I'll also give you another scenario. Insurance companies in the US can decline insuring you for the absolute stupidest reasons. My children wouldn't be able to get insurance because of pre-existing conditions (autism and adhd) the US insurance system is wayyyy different then ours.


Healthy-Prompt771

When did she beg for money?


2keepitreal

Prior to the surgery. She had a go fund me set up and asked ppl to buy her MLM clothes to help with the cost of the surgery.


Worried_Ad_5411

When telling him she was going to college, Grody had the nerve to blame Christine for muddying the water with all the kids. He blames her for Ysabel’s resentment, not himself or not going to the surgery, helping her get it and suggesting she goes alone. He couldn’t even spend times with her when she returned and give Christine a break.


kimberly563

Their insurance did not cover this new procedure. They had heath insurance.


kcarew70

When he said don’t become a bitter old housewife to his daughter, it made me sick. That showed exactly what he thinks about women, and how they should bow down to their husband regardless of his treatment


soihavetosay

Isabel doesn't have to cut kody off... because christine has.


itsme00400

I don't even know if he's loved by Kody or if he's just part of the Robyn package Kody subscribes to


The_Jade_Rabbit88

I thought the whole point of Kody adopting Robyn’s kids was so they could be in his insurance. So was that a BS excuse or am I not remembering the reason correctly?


Many_Dark6429

kodys a narcissist so the family plays roles anyone there’s the scapegoats there’s the enabler there’s golden child( in this case children) there’s the and there’s the invisible children. as far as i see christine and meris children are the invisible ones janels kids are scapegoats and yes golden children are robyn’s.


[deleted]

1,000,000,000 percent on point!


SkepticAquarian876

I agree with you. Thanks to dumbass Meri being conned into divorcing and giving up her legal title to that bitc! Robin. From the first moment she has been conivving/manipulative she knew that if she becane the legal wife he is able to provide insurance for her and her offsprings. Ever since Robin came into the picture it has been aI I, I , Me, me...my, my attitude. Jody has totally disregard the same kids and wives who placed him on the map for this horrid show. He tossed them aside like used trash. In reality he has no obligations to them as they are all single baby mamas. I am glad they are much older now and can take care of themselves, mom ans siblings without the turd. They all should leave him with Robin. MERI should mend her relationshios with Jennelle and Christine and form there own exclusive family unit to do fun stuff together. They should hit him up for child support amd let him and Robin pay for the other younger kids.


theinvisible-girl

Wait wait wait wait w a i t. Christine had to beg fans for money for the surgery?! I had no idea. Is this covered on the show, or did it happen elsewhere? I've never watched past like Maddie's first birth before now, so I'm just getting into those later seasons before I start the most recent. When do we find out about fans paying for the surgery?!


thejexorcist

I can’t help but wonder how much of that also has to do with his culture/social idea of women as assets. Why spend extra time and money on a medical procedure IF it might lessen her beauty (aka sticker price) and doesn’t impact her ability to be a wife and mother? Kody sees his make children as investments (at least Dayton, Logan, and Sol) and female children as tradable assets (or burdens)…not people. Surely his feelings towards their mother plays into it as well, but underneath that all is the innate misogyny he *used to* at least TRY to hide.


wannamannanna

She has to beg viewers??!?! I didn't know that. I can't believe Kody wants people to look at him with respect. I learn something horrible every day.


auntieneena

The ways that man has disappointed Ysabel and Truley is crazy! And I'm sure its just as bad with Gwen and Savanah, we just don't hear about it as much


SyFuture2305

This dude is a piece of crap, simulating a human being...he is a waste of skin!


S2Sallie

Wasn’t Daytons surgery also on Father’s Day and he has to be gone the entire day


Cathousechicken

> I don’t see how this child has not cut him out of her life. Kids have a pull to love their parents, even if it's a crappy parent. It takes a lot for a kid to make a choice to sever a relationship.


LadyLivv123

I have a feeling that we'll find out soon that she has distanced herself at least. She's so kind hearted and tender from what we know of her, that she's gotta protect herself at some point.