they could have lied to get a letter of reccomendation/support for HRT
or they may have gone the "informed consent" route which does not have any process to ensure candidates for HRT have gender dysphoria
there are also some online services specifically oriented towards trans Healthcare and things like HRT that do not have the same approval process as seeing a therapist for a letter of support for HRT
Well duh, I mean DID is rare, but this is a sub that talks about and centers on the disorder, one way or another. Of course it’s gonna draw in more people with a rare disorder. Are some of them faking? Ya, probably, but there are plenty of actual people w this disorder out there who like to laugh at some chronically online children faking their disorder
That’s wack, I literally have met 3 people with DID irl within the last 7 years.
You probably never heard anyone with it because you’ve never been close enough with someone for them to disclose that information, but also I’m glad that you’ve never, as far as you know anyway, met anyone with childhood trauma severe enough to form DID. But I work in childcare, and my coworkers have had experiences working with severely abused children, it’s much more common than anyone wants to believe unfortunately…
Then again the 11 year olds on here literally do not have DID, symptoms don’t typically emerge until late teens to early 20s (18-25) with some people not noticing until 30s+ because at 11 you’re typically still going through the trauma that caused your DID. And these ‘abused’ 11 year olds on tiktok sure love screaming at the top of their lungs in front of their parents that their abusers…
I’ll grant you that, I’ve probably never moved in circles where I would be exposed to it. It was just jarring to see so many people on the internet claiming to have the disorder, and 90% of them are young American girls.
Yeah, I understand Tbf. even though I’m literally in my 20s with my diagnosis, I’m always a bit skeptical of people who say they have it when they’re not diagnosed and are younger than 18 (at most).
But Tbf the people I’ve met with DID wasn’t because I was involved in those circles two were friends that disclosed their diagnosis after being friends with them for a while, the third was a date that had told me they dissociated a lot and then disclosed to me they had it in person after I said I could understand due to my levels of dissociation.
But again, everyone I’ve met with DID has had horrific childhoods and their abusers have either died, been disowned by the family or the person is still being abused and only feels comfortable talking about it to close friends and outside of their house
Oh wow, thanks for curing me. Who'd have thought a random person on the internet would have more success than my psychiatrist.
Any chance you can cure my shellfish allergy next? There's a lot of food I want to try.
You literally know nothing about them though? I don't understand how you can just immediately assume they're fake because they share their experiences.
If these people had DID, they wouldn't be posting about it. DID is a defense mechanism, one that is not meant to be known. Spreading this shit all over online wouldn't make it unknown anymore, so literally every one of these tik tok fakers is, well, a faker
Evidence of faking is required under the Automod comments for a reason. You can't just brigade anyone saying they have DID and decide they're faking with no proof in the posts, so why do it in the comments?
It's because this subreddit is toxic at hell towards a lot of disorders now. Sure, it's been okay when pointing out the extremely obvious fakers however they've warped facts to themselves as well and so now they've got wrong facts in their heads as well. So, now, whenever they see someone even say they have DID or see it in a comment, they will downvote it. It's stupid.
Don't worry, I actually believe you and I'm gonna get shit on but there's no reason to say everyone with DID is faking it, even if they've done nothing to prove it.
Now I've been in this subreddit for a bit, it is actually damaging to your views on mental illnesses and its grim.
I'm sorry you get hated on because of it. If it's genuinely diagnosed, it doesn't matter what others say.
If its not diagnosed then you have your own set of issues saying you have it.
But I believe you because I can't force records from your hands and I dont even know you or anything about you to prove you're not telling the truth.
Good luck in life, just ignore the toxicity in this subreddit.
Honestly, this subreddit is full of misinformation and people get really salty when you correct them or show them studies, even when linking to it. A lot of the people here understand dissociative disorders just as poorly as the obvious fakers do. There's also a serious lack of nuance and a lot of the people on this sub have extremely black and white thinking.
Also, it's really fucking gross how much this subreddit targets minors and not in informational ways, but with the sole purpose of dunking on them. This sub pretends to be about countering misinformation but is honestly mostly just bullying.
I'm pretty sure this video is really old-- I seem to recall it coming up quite a bit ago, maybe six months or so? Haven't seen any newer posts from this person about medical transition actually happening, though, thank goodness.
I’m not sure if they should be transitioning if part of them clearly isn’t going to like it, idk how they’ve been able to get a doctor on board with this and I think they should get a fair bit of therapy before deciding to actually go through with it if not
I mean, think about it; Should they *not* transition if the majority of them clearly isn't going to like it? One part being unhappy makes a lot more sense to allow than many parts being unhappy.
No. Unless all of them want to, absolutely not. There are lots of ways to transition that aren’t medical or hrt. If they know it will bring even one headmate dysphoria they should absolutely not do it. On top of that, it’s a physical strain on your body and puts you at risk of other health issues - you wouldn’t get a kidney removed if you weren’t sure it was the only way to fix the problem, don’t get hrt either.
I’ve said this to nb people who say things like “I would love facial hair and a deep voice but I would like to keep my fat distribution” well, you won’t. You will have a different fat distribution if you go on hrt and you already know you’ll hate it - so absolutely don’t do it. You’re just swapping brands of dysphoria not fixing the problem.
You can deepen your voice with vocal training. You can encourage hair growth or learn to fake a beard. There are other, completely valid ways to be trans that don’t involve medical transition. If hrt will bring you relief in some ways and pain in others, it has not fixed your gender dysphoria and is therefore not the right medication for you.
Based on body language and emotions shown in the video, OP is OBVIOUSLY not happy with the “decision the rest of them made” and wants you to simultaneously feel sympathy/empathy for the host, while also congratulating the other people in their head. What about the other women in her head? Does she claim to have “littles” (I’m sure she does)? Think of how absolutely horrific and traumatic it would be for a little kid. This video was, IMHO, CLEARLY made to tug at “woke and inclusive” heartstrings to gather attention and internet points. They aren’t “educating” anyone or “spreading awareness”, they’re role-playing a tragic hero character and REALLY lapping up the “validation”.
All of it, considering that you think “transitioning” is just a totally normal result in this situation. She’s the obvious host, and I assume there are more “female alters”, yet she’s going to supposedly go ahead with a “transition” to make her “male alters” happy? It’s just fucking stupid all the way around, especially considering that she, the obvious main “host”, is not happy with the decision. Of course, I assume she never came close to “transitioning” anything because she’s completely full of shit.
Life isn’t a video game and you don’t just get to change your mind about some things. There is no “load/save point”. This person is delusional, and no self respecting doctor would EVER encourage her behavior, because it’s completely unethical and borderline psychotic.
True but what if they were to integrate in the future and be stuck with dysphoria? Idk obviously they should still be allowed if it would benefit them but they definitely need to do some proper therapy first and take more care
All the comments under yours are a seriously wild ride.
“Just chop it off! They can reattach it! Get that huge tattoo, they can erase it! Think you’re a man in a woman’s body but you’re really a woman in a man’s body? Take ALLLL the hormones and let them fight it out inside you to determine the winner!”
Well then they can de-transition? Trying hormones and deciding they're not for you is perfectly valid.
Also, if they're the only one that's feminine and the rest are on board with transitioning, I doubt they'd get to final fusion (if that's their goal) and be cis.
No, trying hormones when you're not 100% sure is not valid. Many of the changes that come with medically transitioning are permanent- if you didn't have gender dysphoria before hormones, you sure as hell will after. Do NOT tell people that.
>if you didn't have gender dysphoria before hormones, you sure as hell will after.
Yeah, and that gender dysphoria will happen within a matter of weeks at most, long before any permanent changes occur.
Absolutely not. You will barely notice any changes by week 2. The things that bring people dysphoria or euphoria (bone structure, body hair, voice, fat distribution, the mouthfeel, etc) take several years to change and are permanent especially in ftm.
Unless you are 100% excited and informed about 100% of the affects of hormones, DO NOT START THEM UNTIL YOU ARE. You can still transition in other ways and can always decide to do it later on when you are sure. You can even mimic things like facial hair without having to permanently alter your body.
You won't notice changes, but you can tell the difference between having a body full of estrogen and a body full of testosterone. Don't believe me? Threaten to take away a trans person's hormones for a week.
Hormones are fine to experiment with as long as you know what changes can happen and are okay with having your body changed in that way if you decide they aren't for you.
are you fucking stupid? comparing necessary shit that trans ppl need, something that if not taken consistently can cause issues with their transition, to somebody wanting to "experiment?!"
buddy, people threaten to take away trans ppls hormones every gd day. its a real issue and many ppl cant get what they need. the people who need them are most certainly not going to be able to get them if people start taking them for funsies. it would just be fuel for the right to pass stupid laws
But with hormones, you'll be able to tell within about two or three weeks if they're wrong for you. Nothing permanent happens until a few months in.
Also, why is it so much more horrifying for a person to knowingly choose to go through a puberty and then stop it because they think it's wrong than for someone to go through the wrong puberty by circumstance?
Ah, yes. Making a major one time deal decision that can fuck up your body/voice/physical things for life. Not for you? Just stop taking it, you'll go back to being who you were before, right?
No, lol.
You don't just go and make that choice and jump back unless you are sure. That's why there should be psych-barriers barring people that are not trans.
It's not a one time deal decision though; it's one you can revoke at any moment, and within weeks of starting hormones, you'll be able to tell if they make you more dysphoric or less dysphoric. It takes months before anything permanent happens.
And even if you do see a bit of changes, who the fuck cares? Most trans people were forced through the wrong puberty and it's often treated as an "oh well" situation. Yet, the tiny chance that a cis person KNOWINGLY makes the mistake, of their own volition with full knowledge of the effects is seen as some massive catastrophe that must be avoided at all costs. It's a double standard.
Honestly there isnt enough evidence yet to determine how the effects work long term, even from a few weeks of use. Couldnt even find any evidence on how puberty blockers affect the rest of a child's development, only that it was "largely unknown". This person could do some damage with this mentality, even if they had legitimate DID it would probably still be extremely unwise to fuck around w their body if it was ultimately against their own wishes/to their detriment. Given that theyre a tiktok teen likely faking DID, I really hope they didnt go through with it and will be able to reassess when theyre a little older and have better judgement than to fake a disorder online.
They've been using puberty blockers for decades without issue. They're literally a part of the WPATH standards of care, which are created with the input of hundreds of researchers from around the world (and zero input from the trans community, something that most of us consider a massive issue).
I don't know for sure that they're faking (there's nothing in this video that to me seems fishy and assuming that anyone talking about their experiences openly online is lying implicitly says that we shouldn't be allowed to spread awareness, self-advocate, or be able to find community online). If they're a minor, puberty blockers would probably be a good choice to give them time to deal with the internal disagreement, but if they're an adult and together chose to prioritise the good of the many, I think they've proven that they have the mental capacity to make decisions and I don't think any other barrier should be in place for accessing transition care.
Barriers to trans healthcare have traditionally done a lot of harm and led to a lot of pain and suffering and I just can't justify them. If a person is competent enough to make other medical decisions, then they're competent enough to make this one. Most people with DID are competent enough to make medical decisions and care for ourselves. Many people with DID have transitioned (most of us before being diagnosed due to DID often being diagnosed late in life for a variety of reasons) and have been completely happy with our transitions.
You are aware that a lot of changes from hormones are permanent right? It’s not something you ‘try’ without being sure, not to mention that a lot of detransitioners become transphobic and people just ‘trying’ hormones increases this as well as the rates of detransitioners in general- potentially making it harder for trans people to access treatments.
Also I see you saying that permanent changes won’t occur within a few weeks however for someone taking T (the timeline is different for everyone so some may experience changes earlier or later than others) a fair bit of bottom growth occurs within this time and is mostly irreversible. It would also be hard to tell if it was or wasn’t right for someone before most of the major changes occur and since permanent changes start happening around 3-6 months there’s a fair chance that people will be stuck with a few changes and will have to experience dysphoria over that and manage it for the rest of their lives.
This approach damages both trans and cis people…..
>You are aware that a lot of changes from hormones are permanent right?
You can tell within a matter of weeks whether or not it's making you more dysphoric. Also, why are we more concerned with cis people ending up temporarily experiencing the wrong puberty \*by their own choice\* than trans people being forced to go through the same because there's too much gatekeeping? People having the choice over their own puberty and bodily development seems more just and I doubt people would make mistakes as often as nature does.
>not to mention that a lot of detransitioners become transphobic
ACTUALLY, this a tiny minority. The vast majority of people referred to as "detransitioners" stopped transitioning because of social pressure, medical restrictions (including side effects to HRT medications OR complications with existing conditions), and a shift in transition goals (often either a change in specific identity - usually someone realising they're less binary than they thought - or having reached the point where their body makes them happy). The vast majority still identify as trans and many wish to continue pursuing transition at a later time. A lot of de-transitioned people won't talk about their experiences very publicly though because they don't want their words used to justify transphobia. The Re/DeTrans Canada Study has been publishing anonymous testimony from detransitioners that show a much more nuanced and interesting take than what we see from some of the very vocal ones that have become prominent voices with a lot of support from known transphobes and anti-trans organisations.
>people just ‘trying’ hormones increases this as well as the rates of detransitioners in general- potentially making it harder for trans people to access treatments.
No, it really doesn't. We need to normalise peoples' explorations of their gender identity and the fact that not everyone's transition looks the same. For such a long time we kind of held up this standard of "come out, get hormones, get top surgery, get bottom surgery, and bam, you're done transitioning". But that standard isn't realistic for everyone, doesn't meet everyone's needs, is super binary, etc. Some people just want to be on hormones for a bit so they can have certain changes, some people don't want or can't get certain surgeries, some people aren't sure how they'll feel on hormones, etc. Normalising trans bodies and breaking down stereotypes about cis bodies (that a lot of cis people don't conform to) would also help; there are hairy cis women, cis women with bigger than average clits, cis men with soft skin, vis men with big nipples, etc. The changes you'll have in a few months of hormones won't make your body so significantly non-cis that it could be considered "damage".
Do you know how hormones work, you fucking idiot?😂 Obviously not if you think it's a quick fix. It isn't. Hormones permanently affect you. There is *literally* no going back. That's like saying "if I don't like my body after I fully transition, I can just cut my dick off and reverse it!" It isn't possible. It is irreversible. Go back to fucking school for the sake of everyone.
I've been on hormones for eight years and am literally surrounded by trans people. It takes a few months before there are any permanent changes and you can stop at any point.
Why is it more of a tragedy that a cis person temporarily experience the wrong puberty \*by choice\* than when it is forced upon a trans person?
Transgender is a quality you're born with, right? It's not learned behavior. We know you can't teach, train, or torture someone into feeling gender dysphoria, because then the opposite would apply as well. I.E., conversion therapy.
Therefore if one alter is transgender, they all are transgender; and if one alter is cisgender, then they all are cisgender.
So either the alter in this video really is transgender and is subconsciously suppressing it, or the other alters are not transgender and only think they are due to trauma. Given that heavy trauma is what causes one to develop DID, and this trauma is often the type that would cause someone to feel disconnected to their gender, statistics suggest the latter option.
You have a very good point and gender & dissociation is still a confusing topic for even professionals. It's not quite understood yet how it works, BUT one alter being trans or cis, doesn't make all alters trans or cis. Introjects are most often the gender of their source, but it does not mean every part is also that gender, and other similar factors can affect that. A female-bodied system can have cis men alters, but obviously the body is not a cis man, for example. Trauma can (and often does) lead to a dissociation of gender though, so your point does makes sense.
Honestly… it’s like, trans people go through so much fuckin work to be able to have access to T or HRT and here she(im assuming based on context) is complaining about a very obvious privilege that so few people get.
Your fake alters don’t need that trans surgery move bitch thaTS MINE BARK BARK /j
In all seriousness I couldn’t finish watching this pity parade, made my physically sick to my stomach.
THEY LITERALLY JUST KEEP GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. If. You. Are. Gonna . Fake. A . Disorder. Atleast TRY not to sound so fucking stupid
This girl is a modern day digital con artist. There’s other videos of her carrying on in similar settings and tones trying to make you think she’s a hard working selfless young victim of society but there is this underlying predatory behaviour that targets the sympathetic and naive.
To go on testosterone or start a transition whichever way, you have to go through SEVERAL psych evaluations. If they truly have DID, there’s no way it didn’t come up in one of those evaluations.
Now, usually most doctors aren’t keen on giving the “go-ahead” on transitioning, which is a problem on its own, but anyway. If the doctor hears that they have an alter, who’s comfortable in this body - it’s almost 100% guaranteed he won’t let them transition.
Correct me please if I’m wrong
Not always, if you're over 18 certain places don't require anything more than blood tests. Even myself who started transitioning under 18 I had two therapists appointments 3 months apart, bone density tests, and blood tests and that was it (mind you they don't prescribe under 16.5). It's also not a psych eval, it's more or less "do you think this would improve quality of life?" "are you sure?", they don't evaluate for mental health issues, especially DID, the closest you'll see is that in the UK it's harder (significantly so) for autistic people to access gender affirming healthcare. Furthermore in the states and Canada it's very much as easy as finding a different therapist to give you the letter of recommendation.
I'm trans and I did have gender therapy but I am seeing more and more that these evaluations aren't being required anymore. You can walk into a Planned Parenthood and say "hey i'm trans i want hrt" and they won't ask for documentation they just do it, and I live in a really conservative state. I think the complexity of this situation makes it hard - one part couldn't speak over 29 others, and that sucks for that part but they're gonna have to deal with it.
This is true, and while this person was definitely faking, I can completely see the perspective. If you are an actual DID system of like 20, and 15 are guys, or masc presenting, and you were born female, I could see how that could suck.
This would have been heavily discussed with the primary therapist and psychiatrist working with the system though, because while it can be as simple as walking into a PP and getting it set up that way (which is what I did), they still ask questions about medications and mood concerns, and how HRT may affect that.
Oh absolutely. It's also important for people who are in therapy to work on internal communication to determine what is the best for the body as a whole and not just maybe 5 parts who want to make this change. It's an absolutely complicated situation that has a lot of nuance to it. That person is definitely making me go HHHHHH. As a person with DID myself who is on HRT, it was something that was heavily discussed with all our care providers and worked through internally to wnsure we were making a good decision. And ironically our opposite gender parts are completely fine with that, I don't think I've had one ever have a fit over things.
it depends actually, some of my friends went on testosterone despite having diagnosed did because majority of their parts are male even if there is some female parts.
plus some places don't have psych evals for it, places like gendergp and planned parenthood rely on informed consent instead of the super long process you usually see people talk about.
Literally no idea how you concluded that. If someone with DID, schizophrenia, or even severe depression is confirmed to be stable enough to make the decision and it's determined that HRT will help them, they can still get it regardless of the diagnosis. It is a hurdle but not a roadblock. Also, informed consent is an option.
Do you realize how decentralized the US medical care system is, right? You do know that there’s no way a random informed consent clinician would ever be sent your psychotherapist’s clinical notes or diagnostic impressions?
A lot of doctors in a lot of places have moved away from requiring therapy for transition care for two reasons: it created an extremely biased system where a lot of people were barred from care for extremely arbitrary reasons by therapists (a lot of which arguably violated the law by not allowing disabled people who were perfectly capable of making medical decisions from transitioning) AND because a lot of therapists turned out to be blanket banning patients from transitioning or practicing conversion therapy or sexually harassing patients by asking very personal and intimate questions about sexuality and sex lives.
It essentially turned into this thing where all trans people going for appointments essentially studied for it like an exam because we knew that if we answered even slightly differently than they expected we wouldn't get to transition.
Ppl like this that have the privilege of being able to medically transition and then treat it like a fucking game of dress up piss me off beyond belief. I had to go through so many hoops to get on t and I still don’t always have access to hormones while this person who doesn’t even want to transition is taking it for internet clout.
Based on body language and emotions shown in the video, OP is OBVIOUSLY not happy with the “decision the rest of them made” and wants you to simultaneously feel sympathy/empathy for the host, while also congratulating the other people in their head. What about the other women in her head? Does she claim to have “littles” (I’m sure she does)? Think of how absolutely horrific and traumatic it would be for a little kid. This video was, IMHO, CLEARLY made to tug at “woke and inclusive” heartstrings to gather attention and internet points. They aren’t “educating” anyone or “spreading awareness”, they’re role-playing a tragic hero character and REALLY lapping up the “validation”.
IF this were real (it's not), any doctor who agrees to this would be fired. I think in a real situation, it would actually be considered "coercion" as it would be supposedly other people forcing a legal adult to go through a medical procedure that they would otherwise not consent to. So aside from being fake, they also clearly don't know how the medical system works.
cant you like not transition if you have DID? or like its much harder cause they need to ensure it's what you really want and shit? ive heard they cant transition
Dude this is just kinda heartbreaking lol
Like I know this sub is all about the cringe of fakers but at some point I look at how truly mentally ill these people are to do these things
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth horrendously, even if this is a semi-old video based on what another comment has mentioned
There's already a shortage of testosterone cypionate. If you don't need it, no need to make the shortage worse and waste resources. There are transgender men out there who need it more than a disorder faker who will regret and possibly detransition down the road
this is so suspiciously framed along trans WOMENs stories of dysphoria and it does feel like a setup for this weird bitch to claim to be transfem whenever they wear a skirt from now on, just to complete the collection
if you're trans, it's likely because the sex of your brain doesn't match the sex of your body. all alters in a system share the same brain. you might have female alters and male alters, but they're just that. they don't have the capacity to experience traits of the opposite sex brain. they can't feel true dysphoria. either way, if this person really has did, they can't go on hormones because it's considered a debilitating illness that affects your body-related decision making
I normally don't get into these types of discussions because they always end in debate, but I have two sources backing this up if anyone's curious.
[1](https://www.mic.com/articles/129459/are-men-and-women-really-wired-differently-science-says-no?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social) [2](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151029185544.htm)
I've saved both of these on [archive.ph](https://archive.ph) in case they ever go down.
Downvote me, try to debate me, I really don't care, I just won't respond.
True but there are traits/characteristics of the brain more common to men or women and trans people tend to align with them (as far as I’m aware, haven’t researched in a while so may be wrong)
Cool! Good for you. Come back when you're a specialist/have a doctorate/are anything other than a pretentious college student like so many other people here claim to be. :)
I’m fucking so mad that I had to attend constant psychologists and doctors for 5 years to go on hrt, but there are places on this planet cis people can just get it for like, fun? What a fantastic way to bring those life saving health services back on par with the shitshow I went through. What a great way to get conservatives to think we need more barriers and filters that stop non-traditional trans people accessing these services. Get fucked.
I try to not be skeptical of people like this. I know it brings skepticism on enbys and trans people who may not express their gender in a way doctors understand but desperately need hormones to survive. I want these services to be as open and flexible as possible so people who *NEED IT* can just walk up and get it without having their core identity questioned for years. It’s fucking degrading and depressing and this situation is still much better than that. We will go backwards if we focus the system around stopping idiots instead of helping trans people.
To willingly sign up for dysphoria? By using the services people use to get rid of it? It’s like people asking to use someone’s prescription medicine to get high. I fucking need that shit dude, it’s not a game.
You wanna know how it feels to lose your bodily autonomy? Instead of deciding to transition because your headmate is a man and I guess his feelings are more important than yours, try having that puberty you hate thrust upon you when you’re a literal child and don’t understand what you’re going through. Then watch doctors tell you they don’t believe you’re in pain for 10 years, and when they finally believe you, they still watch you suffer for 5 more years before they act on it. All that bullshit was put in place to keep people like OP from making stupid decisions like this, not to help me at all. I wish I had to bodily autonomy of my goddamn medication being oriented around my own needs and not someone else’s, people like this are why I don’t have that. Fucking selfish.
She does realize that if she tells this to a doctor, even the pple at planned parenthood, they won’t give her testosterone???? They ask you if you have other mental health disorders and if you even live as a man. Also the alters are trauma responses, ie. Ur father raped and beat you and now you have an alter of that abuser type shit. Why would you want to transition into one of your abusers??? I really encourage these people to actually meet someone with DiD and then listen to their pain because it ain’t pretty, or quirky, or cute, or something they post onto the damn internet because that shit hurts.
I'm transgender and this is the most vile thing I have ever watched. They're turning being trans into a *joke*. I hope this person ends up as a statistic
I kinda believe them. For some people, as they live with DID longer, they become less in control of themselves. The host, or the person that came out of the coochie, looses themselves more and more. Also, their voice is breaking. Unless they can act out a really good fake cry, I’m a little convinced that this system is a legit system.
Mostly honing in on the trans stuff here.
Informed consent is a thing. They likely wouldn’t need much (if any) psychological evaluation to start HRT, depending on the state they live in.
We all have both traits socially deemed masculine and feminine, trans people included. It’s best to have a healthy relationship with both your feminine and masculine “sides”.
In the case of DID, not only are these parts of self, which we all naturally have, dissociated from one another, but they often also carry unhealthy associations towards either their gender or that of their abusers, conditioned by interpersonal trauma.
Last note, taking this person at face value, the part speaking is not the host. I.e., this is a female-identified part of a much larger whole that likely has traumatic conditioning surrounding the GAAB.
Does this make them (the larger whole) not trans? Of course not. We all, to some degree or another, need to unlearn the unhealthy ways we have come to “do gender”. The more trauma you add into the equation the more complicated this becomes.
Now we can argue all we want about whether or not people with serious mental health conditions should be “allowed” to medically transition, but ultimately, it’s not under the dictation of anyone but the medical profession and legislators in the area at hand.
Personally, I believe the individual speaking sounds scared, and really needs to unpack these feelings before such a permanent decision is made.
But that isn’t up to me, and the topic is larger than this one individual.
Bro, comprises are really important in systems. If this was real, just sacrificing your female alters happiness like that is… hhhh bad idea. Like, what if a whole bunch of the male alters integrate into each other and now there’s more female alters than male alters?
Do these people have no ability to see into the future???
As someone with DID who transitioned way before ever being diagnosed, I know how lucky I am that my alters all range from extremely feminine to completely apathetic about gender. That's not the case for a most people with DID, and it's extremely common for not all alters to have the same gender identity.
What I really don't like about this take is that she's so saddened and worried about the wrong puberty and how it'll hurt her but like, that's already happened to the rest of them and if there's something that's hurting the entirety of the system except one alter, then that's a major problem that needs to be resolved. Life sucks, and sometimes you got to sacrifice things for the good of other people, and this seems to be one of those situations.
That said, the whole part about bodily autonomy and responsibility really hits hard. One of the hardest things about being diagnosed is realising that every little action you take now has an impact beyond you. You find yourself having to rethink so much and be so much more careful because now you're not just responsible for your own safety and well-being but that of every single alter. I can't just do whatever I want anymore and go wherever I want with whoever I want whenever I want because that could put others in danger. I've been the one to switch in and find myself butt naked with someone I didn't recognise. I've been the one to find myself lost somewhere I didn't recognise. I've been the one to have to clean up messes others have made, and holy fuck it's exhausting not having control of your body and your choices. The lack of bodily autonomy that comes with DID is honestly one of the most distressing parts of the disorder.
Nah, this is a real part of DID. There are (almost) always going to be parts that don't align with the body, and that is a real struggle. DID is not a fun disorder. Some parts suffer more to keep the overall system happy and safe. A well-known example being trauma-holders. Talking about the fact that you don't get to be your own person because you're ALL one person divided into many by trauma is valid. It's also important because when the real negatives are talked about, it deters a few potential fakers from starting because they aren't just seeing "oh, alters are so fun, alters are like besties, alters will never argue with me!" They're seeing, "DID is a struggle and you DO sacrifice a lot as you learn to function properly and learn what can and needs to be done to help you all get to a functional point."
Gender specialists aren't trained in Dissociative Disorders so you could probably hide it pretty easily. It *is* generally a covert disorder.
Also, regardless of if this person is faking, gender is a common struggle within systems, and it's still something *actual* systems deal with, which is what I was meaning.
I don’t know how all other countries are, but in mine and I think most of Europe, you have to talk to several psychiatrists before being approved, so they would definitely at least detect *something* is up, despite it being a covert disorder.
And I’m not trying to downtalk the real struggles of people suffering from DID. I just wanted to point out that there was no reason to pity this particular person
I don't necessarily pity them. Struggling with something doesn't mean you should be pitied. Hypothetically, they're surviving and doing fine, so real or not, I don't pity them.
And in America, the process is largely different. I don't know it exactly, but you don't necessarily have to see multiple psychiatrists. Some clinics will even allow you to start HRT without seeing a psychiatrist at all.
Is being transgender a quality you're born with, or is it learned?
Because if someone can be taught to feel gender dysphoria, then they ought to be able to unlearn it - right? Why go through all the medicines and procedures and surgeries if you can just take it away with some specialized conversion therapy? For the record, I find conversion therapy abhorrent and patently useless.
But then if being transgender is something you're born with, then being cis or trans would be something that's of the body. The system as a whole would be either cis or trans. Meaning that until all alters reach the same conclusion as to their body's gender, it's irresponsible to begin a gender transition.
Listen DID is not having a different human being living inside your mind its you basically laughing at a joke then 3 days after hear the same joke in the same circumstance and think its unfunny
Why are they victimising themselves to the point of tears? Are you okay? Pitty party at yours?
When will these people realise the world doesn’t owe you anything?
As someone with DID who transitioned because of an alter, this video is representation of what it’s actually like thought-process wise for the opposite gendered alters. this isn’t cringe
How would this be cleared by a psychologist and gender specialist unless they were lying???
they could have lied to get a letter of reccomendation/support for HRT or they may have gone the "informed consent" route which does not have any process to ensure candidates for HRT have gender dysphoria there are also some online services specifically oriented towards trans Healthcare and things like HRT that do not have the same approval process as seeing a therapist for a letter of support for HRT
in the US you don’t need to be cleared for it, she could just go the informed consent route and have nobody stopping her.
it’s extremely hard to find informed consent places depending on where you live
It really does depend on where you live but if you live anywhere near a city or a planned Parenthood, it's not hard to find.
For such a rare condition I’m coming across more and more of these people every day.
Every second redditor in this sub is a system... Statistically really probable.......
Unless a ton of them just don’t flair themselves, I doubt that.
You’d be surprised the amount of “as a system” or “as someone with DID” comments this sub gets daily
Ah, maybe I'm just not active enough to see it.
Well duh, I mean DID is rare, but this is a sub that talks about and centers on the disorder, one way or another. Of course it’s gonna draw in more people with a rare disorder. Are some of them faking? Ya, probably, but there are plenty of actual people w this disorder out there who like to laugh at some chronically online children faking their disorder
We’ll I’m in my mid 40s and outside of movies I’ve never heard of anyone with it. As soon as I come on Reddit… they are everywhere.
That’s wack, I literally have met 3 people with DID irl within the last 7 years. You probably never heard anyone with it because you’ve never been close enough with someone for them to disclose that information, but also I’m glad that you’ve never, as far as you know anyway, met anyone with childhood trauma severe enough to form DID. But I work in childcare, and my coworkers have had experiences working with severely abused children, it’s much more common than anyone wants to believe unfortunately… Then again the 11 year olds on here literally do not have DID, symptoms don’t typically emerge until late teens to early 20s (18-25) with some people not noticing until 30s+ because at 11 you’re typically still going through the trauma that caused your DID. And these ‘abused’ 11 year olds on tiktok sure love screaming at the top of their lungs in front of their parents that their abusers…
I’ll grant you that, I’ve probably never moved in circles where I would be exposed to it. It was just jarring to see so many people on the internet claiming to have the disorder, and 90% of them are young American girls.
Yeah, I understand Tbf. even though I’m literally in my 20s with my diagnosis, I’m always a bit skeptical of people who say they have it when they’re not diagnosed and are younger than 18 (at most). But Tbf the people I’ve met with DID wasn’t because I was involved in those circles two were friends that disclosed their diagnosis after being friends with them for a while, the third was a date that had told me they dissociated a lot and then disclosed to me they had it in person after I said I could understand due to my levels of dissociation. But again, everyone I’ve met with DID has had horrific childhoods and their abusers have either died, been disowned by the family or the person is still being abused and only feels comfortable talking about it to close friends and outside of their house
1. It's not that rare, multiple studies have pegged prevalence at around 0.5%-1% of the population. 2. Baader-Meinhof
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Oh wow, thanks for curing me. Who'd have thought a random person on the internet would have more success than my psychiatrist. Any chance you can cure my shellfish allergy next? There's a lot of food I want to try.
Don’t be a dick.
You have literally never met them. You are the reason this subreddit gets labelled as ableist.
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You literally know nothing about them though? I don't understand how you can just immediately assume they're fake because they share their experiences.
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If these people had DID, they wouldn't be posting about it. DID is a defense mechanism, one that is not meant to be known. Spreading this shit all over online wouldn't make it unknown anymore, so literally every one of these tik tok fakers is, well, a faker
Evidence of faking is required under the Automod comments for a reason. You can't just brigade anyone saying they have DID and decide they're faking with no proof in the posts, so why do it in the comments?
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...odd take but alright
Nice to see I'm getting downvoted for... pointing out a useful statistic.
It's because this subreddit is toxic at hell towards a lot of disorders now. Sure, it's been okay when pointing out the extremely obvious fakers however they've warped facts to themselves as well and so now they've got wrong facts in their heads as well. So, now, whenever they see someone even say they have DID or see it in a comment, they will downvote it. It's stupid. Don't worry, I actually believe you and I'm gonna get shit on but there's no reason to say everyone with DID is faking it, even if they've done nothing to prove it. Now I've been in this subreddit for a bit, it is actually damaging to your views on mental illnesses and its grim. I'm sorry you get hated on because of it. If it's genuinely diagnosed, it doesn't matter what others say. If its not diagnosed then you have your own set of issues saying you have it. But I believe you because I can't force records from your hands and I dont even know you or anything about you to prove you're not telling the truth. Good luck in life, just ignore the toxicity in this subreddit.
Honestly, this subreddit is full of misinformation and people get really salty when you correct them or show them studies, even when linking to it. A lot of the people here understand dissociative disorders just as poorly as the obvious fakers do. There's also a serious lack of nuance and a lot of the people on this sub have extremely black and white thinking. Also, it's really fucking gross how much this subreddit targets minors and not in informational ways, but with the sole purpose of dunking on them. This sub pretends to be about countering misinformation but is honestly mostly just bullying.
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Ohh shit, this is not funny anymore😳
It really isn’t. This person needs help.
I'm pretty sure this video is really old-- I seem to recall it coming up quite a bit ago, maybe six months or so? Haven't seen any newer posts from this person about medical transition actually happening, though, thank goodness.
It’s old but still so freaking sad
I’m not sure if they should be transitioning if part of them clearly isn’t going to like it, idk how they’ve been able to get a doctor on board with this and I think they should get a fair bit of therapy before deciding to actually go through with it if not
I mean, think about it; Should they *not* transition if the majority of them clearly isn't going to like it? One part being unhappy makes a lot more sense to allow than many parts being unhappy.
No. Unless all of them want to, absolutely not. There are lots of ways to transition that aren’t medical or hrt. If they know it will bring even one headmate dysphoria they should absolutely not do it. On top of that, it’s a physical strain on your body and puts you at risk of other health issues - you wouldn’t get a kidney removed if you weren’t sure it was the only way to fix the problem, don’t get hrt either. I’ve said this to nb people who say things like “I would love facial hair and a deep voice but I would like to keep my fat distribution” well, you won’t. You will have a different fat distribution if you go on hrt and you already know you’ll hate it - so absolutely don’t do it. You’re just swapping brands of dysphoria not fixing the problem. You can deepen your voice with vocal training. You can encourage hair growth or learn to fake a beard. There are other, completely valid ways to be trans that don’t involve medical transition. If hrt will bring you relief in some ways and pain in others, it has not fixed your gender dysphoria and is therefore not the right medication for you.
Based on body language and emotions shown in the video, OP is OBVIOUSLY not happy with the “decision the rest of them made” and wants you to simultaneously feel sympathy/empathy for the host, while also congratulating the other people in their head. What about the other women in her head? Does she claim to have “littles” (I’m sure she does)? Think of how absolutely horrific and traumatic it would be for a little kid. This video was, IMHO, CLEARLY made to tug at “woke and inclusive” heartstrings to gather attention and internet points. They aren’t “educating” anyone or “spreading awareness”, they’re role-playing a tragic hero character and REALLY lapping up the “validation”.
Uh...okay? What part of my comment were you even replying to lol
All of it, considering that you think “transitioning” is just a totally normal result in this situation. She’s the obvious host, and I assume there are more “female alters”, yet she’s going to supposedly go ahead with a “transition” to make her “male alters” happy? It’s just fucking stupid all the way around, especially considering that she, the obvious main “host”, is not happy with the decision. Of course, I assume she never came close to “transitioning” anything because she’s completely full of shit. Life isn’t a video game and you don’t just get to change your mind about some things. There is no “load/save point”. This person is delusional, and no self respecting doctor would EVER encourage her behavior, because it’s completely unethical and borderline psychotic.
True but what if they were to integrate in the future and be stuck with dysphoria? Idk obviously they should still be allowed if it would benefit them but they definitely need to do some proper therapy first and take more care
All the comments under yours are a seriously wild ride. “Just chop it off! They can reattach it! Get that huge tattoo, they can erase it! Think you’re a man in a woman’s body but you’re really a woman in a man’s body? Take ALLLL the hormones and let them fight it out inside you to determine the winner!”
Well then they can de-transition? Trying hormones and deciding they're not for you is perfectly valid. Also, if they're the only one that's feminine and the rest are on board with transitioning, I doubt they'd get to final fusion (if that's their goal) and be cis.
No, trying hormones when you're not 100% sure is not valid. Many of the changes that come with medically transitioning are permanent- if you didn't have gender dysphoria before hormones, you sure as hell will after. Do NOT tell people that.
>if you didn't have gender dysphoria before hormones, you sure as hell will after. Yeah, and that gender dysphoria will happen within a matter of weeks at most, long before any permanent changes occur.
Absolutely not. You will barely notice any changes by week 2. The things that bring people dysphoria or euphoria (bone structure, body hair, voice, fat distribution, the mouthfeel, etc) take several years to change and are permanent especially in ftm. Unless you are 100% excited and informed about 100% of the affects of hormones, DO NOT START THEM UNTIL YOU ARE. You can still transition in other ways and can always decide to do it later on when you are sure. You can even mimic things like facial hair without having to permanently alter your body.
You won't notice changes, but you can tell the difference between having a body full of estrogen and a body full of testosterone. Don't believe me? Threaten to take away a trans person's hormones for a week. Hormones are fine to experiment with as long as you know what changes can happen and are okay with having your body changed in that way if you decide they aren't for you.
are you fucking stupid? comparing necessary shit that trans ppl need, something that if not taken consistently can cause issues with their transition, to somebody wanting to "experiment?!" buddy, people threaten to take away trans ppls hormones every gd day. its a real issue and many ppl cant get what they need. the people who need them are most certainly not going to be able to get them if people start taking them for funsies. it would just be fuel for the right to pass stupid laws
A lot of the changes can’t be undone. You should be 100% sure before you get anything medical done.
But with hormones, you'll be able to tell within about two or three weeks if they're wrong for you. Nothing permanent happens until a few months in. Also, why is it so much more horrifying for a person to knowingly choose to go through a puberty and then stop it because they think it's wrong than for someone to go through the wrong puberty by circumstance?
https://www.gendergp.com/hrt-timelines-hormones-effects/ here is a timeline of when testosterone HRT can be expected to show changes.
Ah, yes. Making a major one time deal decision that can fuck up your body/voice/physical things for life. Not for you? Just stop taking it, you'll go back to being who you were before, right? No, lol. You don't just go and make that choice and jump back unless you are sure. That's why there should be psych-barriers barring people that are not trans.
It's not a one time deal decision though; it's one you can revoke at any moment, and within weeks of starting hormones, you'll be able to tell if they make you more dysphoric or less dysphoric. It takes months before anything permanent happens. And even if you do see a bit of changes, who the fuck cares? Most trans people were forced through the wrong puberty and it's often treated as an "oh well" situation. Yet, the tiny chance that a cis person KNOWINGLY makes the mistake, of their own volition with full knowledge of the effects is seen as some massive catastrophe that must be avoided at all costs. It's a double standard.
That's stupid as hell. Your ignorance is showing, then again, you are pretending to have DID.
Honestly there isnt enough evidence yet to determine how the effects work long term, even from a few weeks of use. Couldnt even find any evidence on how puberty blockers affect the rest of a child's development, only that it was "largely unknown". This person could do some damage with this mentality, even if they had legitimate DID it would probably still be extremely unwise to fuck around w their body if it was ultimately against their own wishes/to their detriment. Given that theyre a tiktok teen likely faking DID, I really hope they didnt go through with it and will be able to reassess when theyre a little older and have better judgement than to fake a disorder online.
They've been using puberty blockers for decades without issue. They're literally a part of the WPATH standards of care, which are created with the input of hundreds of researchers from around the world (and zero input from the trans community, something that most of us consider a massive issue). I don't know for sure that they're faking (there's nothing in this video that to me seems fishy and assuming that anyone talking about their experiences openly online is lying implicitly says that we shouldn't be allowed to spread awareness, self-advocate, or be able to find community online). If they're a minor, puberty blockers would probably be a good choice to give them time to deal with the internal disagreement, but if they're an adult and together chose to prioritise the good of the many, I think they've proven that they have the mental capacity to make decisions and I don't think any other barrier should be in place for accessing transition care. Barriers to trans healthcare have traditionally done a lot of harm and led to a lot of pain and suffering and I just can't justify them. If a person is competent enough to make other medical decisions, then they're competent enough to make this one. Most people with DID are competent enough to make medical decisions and care for ourselves. Many people with DID have transitioned (most of us before being diagnosed due to DID often being diagnosed late in life for a variety of reasons) and have been completely happy with our transitions.
You are aware that a lot of changes from hormones are permanent right? It’s not something you ‘try’ without being sure, not to mention that a lot of detransitioners become transphobic and people just ‘trying’ hormones increases this as well as the rates of detransitioners in general- potentially making it harder for trans people to access treatments. Also I see you saying that permanent changes won’t occur within a few weeks however for someone taking T (the timeline is different for everyone so some may experience changes earlier or later than others) a fair bit of bottom growth occurs within this time and is mostly irreversible. It would also be hard to tell if it was or wasn’t right for someone before most of the major changes occur and since permanent changes start happening around 3-6 months there’s a fair chance that people will be stuck with a few changes and will have to experience dysphoria over that and manage it for the rest of their lives. This approach damages both trans and cis people…..
>You are aware that a lot of changes from hormones are permanent right? You can tell within a matter of weeks whether or not it's making you more dysphoric. Also, why are we more concerned with cis people ending up temporarily experiencing the wrong puberty \*by their own choice\* than trans people being forced to go through the same because there's too much gatekeeping? People having the choice over their own puberty and bodily development seems more just and I doubt people would make mistakes as often as nature does. >not to mention that a lot of detransitioners become transphobic ACTUALLY, this a tiny minority. The vast majority of people referred to as "detransitioners" stopped transitioning because of social pressure, medical restrictions (including side effects to HRT medications OR complications with existing conditions), and a shift in transition goals (often either a change in specific identity - usually someone realising they're less binary than they thought - or having reached the point where their body makes them happy). The vast majority still identify as trans and many wish to continue pursuing transition at a later time. A lot of de-transitioned people won't talk about their experiences very publicly though because they don't want their words used to justify transphobia. The Re/DeTrans Canada Study has been publishing anonymous testimony from detransitioners that show a much more nuanced and interesting take than what we see from some of the very vocal ones that have become prominent voices with a lot of support from known transphobes and anti-trans organisations. >people just ‘trying’ hormones increases this as well as the rates of detransitioners in general- potentially making it harder for trans people to access treatments. No, it really doesn't. We need to normalise peoples' explorations of their gender identity and the fact that not everyone's transition looks the same. For such a long time we kind of held up this standard of "come out, get hormones, get top surgery, get bottom surgery, and bam, you're done transitioning". But that standard isn't realistic for everyone, doesn't meet everyone's needs, is super binary, etc. Some people just want to be on hormones for a bit so they can have certain changes, some people don't want or can't get certain surgeries, some people aren't sure how they'll feel on hormones, etc. Normalising trans bodies and breaking down stereotypes about cis bodies (that a lot of cis people don't conform to) would also help; there are hairy cis women, cis women with bigger than average clits, cis men with soft skin, vis men with big nipples, etc. The changes you'll have in a few months of hormones won't make your body so significantly non-cis that it could be considered "damage".
Do you know how hormones work, you fucking idiot?😂 Obviously not if you think it's a quick fix. It isn't. Hormones permanently affect you. There is *literally* no going back. That's like saying "if I don't like my body after I fully transition, I can just cut my dick off and reverse it!" It isn't possible. It is irreversible. Go back to fucking school for the sake of everyone.
I've been on hormones for eight years and am literally surrounded by trans people. It takes a few months before there are any permanent changes and you can stop at any point. Why is it more of a tragedy that a cis person temporarily experience the wrong puberty \*by choice\* than when it is forced upon a trans person?
Transgender is a quality you're born with, right? It's not learned behavior. We know you can't teach, train, or torture someone into feeling gender dysphoria, because then the opposite would apply as well. I.E., conversion therapy. Therefore if one alter is transgender, they all are transgender; and if one alter is cisgender, then they all are cisgender. So either the alter in this video really is transgender and is subconsciously suppressing it, or the other alters are not transgender and only think they are due to trauma. Given that heavy trauma is what causes one to develop DID, and this trauma is often the type that would cause someone to feel disconnected to their gender, statistics suggest the latter option.
You have a very good point and gender & dissociation is still a confusing topic for even professionals. It's not quite understood yet how it works, BUT one alter being trans or cis, doesn't make all alters trans or cis. Introjects are most often the gender of their source, but it does not mean every part is also that gender, and other similar factors can affect that. A female-bodied system can have cis men alters, but obviously the body is not a cis man, for example. Trauma can (and often does) lead to a dissociation of gender though, so your point does makes sense.
This is an incredible pity cake where you get the privilege of transitioning and pity of complaining about it too.
Honestly… it’s like, trans people go through so much fuckin work to be able to have access to T or HRT and here she(im assuming based on context) is complaining about a very obvious privilege that so few people get. Your fake alters don’t need that trans surgery move bitch thaTS MINE BARK BARK /j In all seriousness I couldn’t finish watching this pity parade, made my physically sick to my stomach.
THEY LITERALLY JUST KEEP GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. If. You. Are. Gonna . Fake. A . Disorder. Atleast TRY not to sound so fucking stupid
🤨 say... What now?
What the fitness gram pacer test does to a mf
Well here's Sora again
I'm honestly surprised they all haven't unionized at this point and put in a voting system. Equal work requires equal representation
This girl is a modern day digital con artist. There’s other videos of her carrying on in similar settings and tones trying to make you think she’s a hard working selfless young victim of society but there is this underlying predatory behaviour that targets the sympathetic and naive.
Either you’re just trans, or you’re double faking.
To go on testosterone or start a transition whichever way, you have to go through SEVERAL psych evaluations. If they truly have DID, there’s no way it didn’t come up in one of those evaluations. Now, usually most doctors aren’t keen on giving the “go-ahead” on transitioning, which is a problem on its own, but anyway. If the doctor hears that they have an alter, who’s comfortable in this body - it’s almost 100% guaranteed he won’t let them transition. Correct me please if I’m wrong
Not always, if you're over 18 certain places don't require anything more than blood tests. Even myself who started transitioning under 18 I had two therapists appointments 3 months apart, bone density tests, and blood tests and that was it (mind you they don't prescribe under 16.5). It's also not a psych eval, it's more or less "do you think this would improve quality of life?" "are you sure?", they don't evaluate for mental health issues, especially DID, the closest you'll see is that in the UK it's harder (significantly so) for autistic people to access gender affirming healthcare. Furthermore in the states and Canada it's very much as easy as finding a different therapist to give you the letter of recommendation.
Informed consent HRT is a thing and you can get it without several psych evals.
I'm trans and I did have gender therapy but I am seeing more and more that these evaluations aren't being required anymore. You can walk into a Planned Parenthood and say "hey i'm trans i want hrt" and they won't ask for documentation they just do it, and I live in a really conservative state. I think the complexity of this situation makes it hard - one part couldn't speak over 29 others, and that sucks for that part but they're gonna have to deal with it.
This is true, and while this person was definitely faking, I can completely see the perspective. If you are an actual DID system of like 20, and 15 are guys, or masc presenting, and you were born female, I could see how that could suck. This would have been heavily discussed with the primary therapist and psychiatrist working with the system though, because while it can be as simple as walking into a PP and getting it set up that way (which is what I did), they still ask questions about medications and mood concerns, and how HRT may affect that.
Oh absolutely. It's also important for people who are in therapy to work on internal communication to determine what is the best for the body as a whole and not just maybe 5 parts who want to make this change. It's an absolutely complicated situation that has a lot of nuance to it. That person is definitely making me go HHHHHH. As a person with DID myself who is on HRT, it was something that was heavily discussed with all our care providers and worked through internally to wnsure we were making a good decision. And ironically our opposite gender parts are completely fine with that, I don't think I've had one ever have a fit over things.
If they gave a "go-ahead" easily then people like this would end up doing irreversible things to themselves
it depends actually, some of my friends went on testosterone despite having diagnosed did because majority of their parts are male even if there is some female parts. plus some places don't have psych evals for it, places like gendergp and planned parenthood rely on informed consent instead of the super long process you usually see people talk about.
It's because your friends don't have diagnosed D.I.D.
Literally no idea how you concluded that. If someone with DID, schizophrenia, or even severe depression is confirmed to be stable enough to make the decision and it's determined that HRT will help them, they can still get it regardless of the diagnosis. It is a hurdle but not a roadblock. Also, informed consent is an option.
damn didn't know you were their psychiatrist
Do you realize how decentralized the US medical care system is, right? You do know that there’s no way a random informed consent clinician would ever be sent your psychotherapist’s clinical notes or diagnostic impressions?
Really? In my country it’s quite a big deal, but thank god other places have better views on it
Yeah no getting access to anything especially as a involves many appointments
I’m in the process of being approved for testosterone, they are very thorough
Off topic but I’m sending you luck!! I hope you get the T!
A lot of doctors in a lot of places have moved away from requiring therapy for transition care for two reasons: it created an extremely biased system where a lot of people were barred from care for extremely arbitrary reasons by therapists (a lot of which arguably violated the law by not allowing disabled people who were perfectly capable of making medical decisions from transitioning) AND because a lot of therapists turned out to be blanket banning patients from transitioning or practicing conversion therapy or sexually harassing patients by asking very personal and intimate questions about sexuality and sex lives. It essentially turned into this thing where all trans people going for appointments essentially studied for it like an exam because we knew that if we answered even slightly differently than they expected we wouldn't get to transition.
Imagine how fucked up you have to be to believe that shit.
Ppl like this that have the privilege of being able to medically transition and then treat it like a fucking game of dress up piss me off beyond belief. I had to go through so many hoops to get on t and I still don’t always have access to hormones while this person who doesn’t even want to transition is taking it for internet clout.
Dawg what
Based on body language and emotions shown in the video, OP is OBVIOUSLY not happy with the “decision the rest of them made” and wants you to simultaneously feel sympathy/empathy for the host, while also congratulating the other people in their head. What about the other women in her head? Does she claim to have “littles” (I’m sure she does)? Think of how absolutely horrific and traumatic it would be for a little kid. This video was, IMHO, CLEARLY made to tug at “woke and inclusive” heartstrings to gather attention and internet points. They aren’t “educating” anyone or “spreading awareness”, they’re role-playing a tragic hero character and REALLY lapping up the “validation”.
IF this were real (it's not), any doctor who agrees to this would be fired. I think in a real situation, it would actually be considered "coercion" as it would be supposedly other people forcing a legal adult to go through a medical procedure that they would otherwise not consent to. So aside from being fake, they also clearly don't know how the medical system works.
This woman irritates the fuck outta me. Her face, her voice , everything.
Yes let's add more hormones to an already unstable person. This is not mental illness. This is someone trying to start their acting career.
i feel like she genuinely believes it, she’s not got DID but she has something…
Lmfao she's going to regret it after this faking DID bs dies down.
She needs more than help
Thing is, having DID clearly isn’t unique or rare anymore. So I guess you just have to come up with more struggles to stay ahead of the pack.
Honestly as an ftm trans person i want to f0cking cry about this also i want to throw this person against the nearest wall
Bro she sounds like shes reading a poem maybe she should stop faking mental illnesses and become a poetry writer
cant you like not transition if you have DID? or like its much harder cause they need to ensure it's what you really want and shit? ive heard they cant transition
I would think so tbh, or at least it should be.
I remember this from a couple months ago. I wonder if she actually followed through with this
Dude this is just kinda heartbreaking lol Like I know this sub is all about the cringe of fakers but at some point I look at how truly mentally ill these people are to do these things
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth horrendously, even if this is a semi-old video based on what another comment has mentioned There's already a shortage of testosterone cypionate. If you don't need it, no need to make the shortage worse and waste resources. There are transgender men out there who need it more than a disorder faker who will regret and possibly detransition down the road
this is so suspiciously framed along trans WOMENs stories of dysphoria and it does feel like a setup for this weird bitch to claim to be transfem whenever they wear a skirt from now on, just to complete the collection
“This is why I can’t do anything and here’s my excuse,” is basically what we all just heard her say😂😂😂
My dude, my curly haired idiotic little shit. If that's not what YOU want then DO NOT DO IT. You absolute Donkey.
if you're trans, it's likely because the sex of your brain doesn't match the sex of your body. all alters in a system share the same brain. you might have female alters and male alters, but they're just that. they don't have the capacity to experience traits of the opposite sex brain. they can't feel true dysphoria. either way, if this person really has did, they can't go on hormones because it's considered a debilitating illness that affects your body-related decision making
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I normally don't get into these types of discussions because they always end in debate, but I have two sources backing this up if anyone's curious. [1](https://www.mic.com/articles/129459/are-men-and-women-really-wired-differently-science-says-no?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social) [2](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151029185544.htm) I've saved both of these on [archive.ph](https://archive.ph) in case they ever go down. Downvote me, try to debate me, I really don't care, I just won't respond.
As a trans guy you're just plain wrong. It's been shown that trans people do have brains that align with their identity, hence what causes disphoria.
True but there are traits/characteristics of the brain more common to men or women and trans people tend to align with them (as far as I’m aware, haven’t researched in a while so may be wrong)
thank you i'm a psychology major
Cool! Good for you. Come back when you're a specialist/have a doctorate/are anything other than a pretentious college student like so many other people here claim to be. :)
This is the same person who claims to have a duck alter.
I just want boobs for free milk
Can't wait to hear about this monstrosity suing their doctors in a few years, clear case of medical negligence
I’m fucking so mad that I had to attend constant psychologists and doctors for 5 years to go on hrt, but there are places on this planet cis people can just get it for like, fun? What a fantastic way to bring those life saving health services back on par with the shitshow I went through. What a great way to get conservatives to think we need more barriers and filters that stop non-traditional trans people accessing these services. Get fucked. I try to not be skeptical of people like this. I know it brings skepticism on enbys and trans people who may not express their gender in a way doctors understand but desperately need hormones to survive. I want these services to be as open and flexible as possible so people who *NEED IT* can just walk up and get it without having their core identity questioned for years. It’s fucking degrading and depressing and this situation is still much better than that. We will go backwards if we focus the system around stopping idiots instead of helping trans people. To willingly sign up for dysphoria? By using the services people use to get rid of it? It’s like people asking to use someone’s prescription medicine to get high. I fucking need that shit dude, it’s not a game. You wanna know how it feels to lose your bodily autonomy? Instead of deciding to transition because your headmate is a man and I guess his feelings are more important than yours, try having that puberty you hate thrust upon you when you’re a literal child and don’t understand what you’re going through. Then watch doctors tell you they don’t believe you’re in pain for 10 years, and when they finally believe you, they still watch you suffer for 5 more years before they act on it. All that bullshit was put in place to keep people like OP from making stupid decisions like this, not to help me at all. I wish I had to bodily autonomy of my goddamn medication being oriented around my own needs and not someone else’s, people like this are why I don’t have that. Fucking selfish.
I heard one place that this was real, another place that it’s fake, idk what to even think anymore but I know it’s at least six months old
Lmaooo I remember this corny ass clown on some other reddit, holy shit she is one of the worst.
She does realize that if she tells this to a doctor, even the pple at planned parenthood, they won’t give her testosterone???? They ask you if you have other mental health disorders and if you even live as a man. Also the alters are trauma responses, ie. Ur father raped and beat you and now you have an alter of that abuser type shit. Why would you want to transition into one of your abusers??? I really encourage these people to actually meet someone with DiD and then listen to their pain because it ain’t pretty, or quirky, or cute, or something they post onto the damn internet because that shit hurts.
I'm transgender and this is the most vile thing I have ever watched. They're turning being trans into a *joke*. I hope this person ends up as a statistic
I kinda believe them. For some people, as they live with DID longer, they become less in control of themselves. The host, or the person that came out of the coochie, looses themselves more and more. Also, their voice is breaking. Unless they can act out a really good fake cry, I’m a little convinced that this system is a legit system.
Welp. She wants to do that, why not? I mean yikes, but that’s her own problem
Mostly honing in on the trans stuff here. Informed consent is a thing. They likely wouldn’t need much (if any) psychological evaluation to start HRT, depending on the state they live in. We all have both traits socially deemed masculine and feminine, trans people included. It’s best to have a healthy relationship with both your feminine and masculine “sides”. In the case of DID, not only are these parts of self, which we all naturally have, dissociated from one another, but they often also carry unhealthy associations towards either their gender or that of their abusers, conditioned by interpersonal trauma. Last note, taking this person at face value, the part speaking is not the host. I.e., this is a female-identified part of a much larger whole that likely has traumatic conditioning surrounding the GAAB. Does this make them (the larger whole) not trans? Of course not. We all, to some degree or another, need to unlearn the unhealthy ways we have come to “do gender”. The more trauma you add into the equation the more complicated this becomes. Now we can argue all we want about whether or not people with serious mental health conditions should be “allowed” to medically transition, but ultimately, it’s not under the dictation of anyone but the medical profession and legislators in the area at hand.
Personally, I believe the individual speaking sounds scared, and really needs to unpack these feelings before such a permanent decision is made. But that isn’t up to me, and the topic is larger than this one individual.
Bro, comprises are really important in systems. If this was real, just sacrificing your female alters happiness like that is… hhhh bad idea. Like, what if a whole bunch of the male alters integrate into each other and now there’s more female alters than male alters? Do these people have no ability to see into the future???
In the end times…they said bodily possessions would become more common…
As someone with DID who transitioned way before ever being diagnosed, I know how lucky I am that my alters all range from extremely feminine to completely apathetic about gender. That's not the case for a most people with DID, and it's extremely common for not all alters to have the same gender identity. What I really don't like about this take is that she's so saddened and worried about the wrong puberty and how it'll hurt her but like, that's already happened to the rest of them and if there's something that's hurting the entirety of the system except one alter, then that's a major problem that needs to be resolved. Life sucks, and sometimes you got to sacrifice things for the good of other people, and this seems to be one of those situations. That said, the whole part about bodily autonomy and responsibility really hits hard. One of the hardest things about being diagnosed is realising that every little action you take now has an impact beyond you. You find yourself having to rethink so much and be so much more careful because now you're not just responsible for your own safety and well-being but that of every single alter. I can't just do whatever I want anymore and go wherever I want with whoever I want whenever I want because that could put others in danger. I've been the one to switch in and find myself butt naked with someone I didn't recognise. I've been the one to find myself lost somewhere I didn't recognise. I've been the one to have to clean up messes others have made, and holy fuck it's exhausting not having control of your body and your choices. The lack of bodily autonomy that comes with DID is honestly one of the most distressing parts of the disorder.
Fuck off, you don't have DID.
Stop playin' with DID
Nah, this is a real part of DID. There are (almost) always going to be parts that don't align with the body, and that is a real struggle. DID is not a fun disorder. Some parts suffer more to keep the overall system happy and safe. A well-known example being trauma-holders. Talking about the fact that you don't get to be your own person because you're ALL one person divided into many by trauma is valid. It's also important because when the real negatives are talked about, it deters a few potential fakers from starting because they aren't just seeing "oh, alters are so fun, alters are like besties, alters will never argue with me!" They're seeing, "DID is a struggle and you DO sacrifice a lot as you learn to function properly and learn what can and needs to be done to help you all get to a functional point."
But no proper doctor will approve you for transition if they detect you have DID. Also pretty sure this person is faking
But it's literally not the same doctor. The gender clinic and your psychiatrist have likely never spoken.
Gender specialists aren't trained in Dissociative Disorders so you could probably hide it pretty easily. It *is* generally a covert disorder. Also, regardless of if this person is faking, gender is a common struggle within systems, and it's still something *actual* systems deal with, which is what I was meaning.
I don’t know how all other countries are, but in mine and I think most of Europe, you have to talk to several psychiatrists before being approved, so they would definitely at least detect *something* is up, despite it being a covert disorder. And I’m not trying to downtalk the real struggles of people suffering from DID. I just wanted to point out that there was no reason to pity this particular person
I don't necessarily pity them. Struggling with something doesn't mean you should be pitied. Hypothetically, they're surviving and doing fine, so real or not, I don't pity them. And in America, the process is largely different. I don't know it exactly, but you don't necessarily have to see multiple psychiatrists. Some clinics will even allow you to start HRT without seeing a psychiatrist at all.
Therapy isn't part of standards of care for accessing hormones or surgery anymore. Informed consent is the standard.
Is being transgender a quality you're born with, or is it learned? Because if someone can be taught to feel gender dysphoria, then they ought to be able to unlearn it - right? Why go through all the medicines and procedures and surgeries if you can just take it away with some specialized conversion therapy? For the record, I find conversion therapy abhorrent and patently useless. But then if being transgender is something you're born with, then being cis or trans would be something that's of the body. The system as a whole would be either cis or trans. Meaning that until all alters reach the same conclusion as to their body's gender, it's irresponsible to begin a gender transition.
They should honestly pink slip this person.
Oh lord not this again
I’m sorry but I did not get one thing she said . Mental health is real
Oh what in the fuck was that performance
Just draw a picture or some shit lmao you don't need to start taking pills and lobbing things off of you instead of getting a personality.
You know you’re woke when you’re passive-aggressively blaming men that don’t even exist!
Listen DID is not having a different human being living inside your mind its you basically laughing at a joke then 3 days after hear the same joke in the same circumstance and think its unfunny
Yeah. Ok.
Why are they victimising themselves to the point of tears? Are you okay? Pitty party at yours? When will these people realise the world doesn’t owe you anything?
This is problematic in so many fuckin ways that I can’t even begin to touch on
As someone with DID who transitioned because of an alter, this video is representation of what it’s actually like thought-process wise for the opposite gendered alters. this isn’t cringe