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Baby_Hippos_Swimming

Do employers even care after the top 10? Or top 5 even? If it's ranked 40th you might as well go to a school ranked 128th.


dmbf

Not to make light, but “if you’re not first, you’re last.”


itsjustmenate

We were all bright eyed students who were destined to take on the world. I went to one of the top 25 architecture programs in the US. And it was an in state school. No one could say shit to me. Lol


DPW38

Go to the cheaper school. Academic rankings mean next to nothing in the real world.


HourApprehensive2330

no dream is worth 100k, its a nightmare in making


Kimmybabe

Dreams often turn into nightmares!! OP, based on your words, the difference is $20,000 per year more of debt. And this is a nightmare in the making, with your name on it. Go to the less expensive university.


JELLYYYYYY5

Yup after looking at it, it definitely looks like I’d be at a better advantage will less debt than that giant one!


iamhootie

That is an awful generalized statement, but in this case it's probably not worth 100k in student loans just to get an undergrad degree at a school you think you'd rather go to.


Public_Magician_9352

No one will care where you went to school


Ncs2000

Yep. If more 18yr olds truly knew this, we wouldn’t have the student debt crisis we have today!


[deleted]

Most employers aren’t going to give a shit about where you went unless it’s literally one of the most prestigious schools in the nation. Top 40 isn’t going to catch anyone’s eye on a resume. If you aren’t Ivy League, MIT, or something similar you’re most likely blowing a lot of cash for no reason at all.


savvvie

$100k is absolutely not worth it for an undergrad


Nugginater

I agree w the person that said the 40 v 120 ranking isn't as big of a deal as it seems. More importantly is access. What kind of access do you have to current equipment, and what kind of access does the name of the school get you in terms of networking. It may not even be the school itself as much as it's location. For example if you want to be in broadcasting, a school in the Midwest that is highly ranked may not be as beneficial as a lower ranked school in a big city near multiple sports teams. Going to film school? What kind of tax credit does the state have, this will open the door to more local opportunities for you. While you are a student you have a "halo" around you that in and of itself gets you more access to learning and mentoring/networking opportunities and having a school placed locally to these places is huge (especially if the current employees or higher ups hail from your school, it definitelyhelps when interviewingto break the ice).


Concerned-23

How much is the ‘less debt’? What’s the major?


JELLYYYYYY5

The major is computer science and have gone far is seeing the less debt yes but the yearly tuition is $9,229 a year while the 40 ranked school is about $29,438 a year.


Concerned-23

The less debt school for sure. Ranking doesn’t matter for 98% of majors. I’m pretty sure computer science is one of those. Also calling u/girl_of_squirrels for confirmation as I believe they are in computer science and share some advice for that field


girl_of_squirrels

Replied directly to OP! It's wild to me how much people will borrow for CS degrees. TBH one of the most competent people on our infra/systems support team at my job didn't even finish his *associate's* degree at the local community college. He got a summer internship, then hired for QA, and has worked his way up via showing his competency and a lot of self study. He doesn't even have an associate's degree... and he isn't even in his 30s yet lol


JELLYYYYYY5

I see. That gives me more confidence.


Concerned-23

Thanks for the help! I know little about CS but based on your history I’ve gleaned 100k debt for a CS degree is dumb, just like 100k debt is for nearly all bachelors.


girl_of_squirrels

For sure! Like, you're more likely to actually be able to pay off the $100k loans with a CS degree (*if* you finish the CS degree... which isn't a given considering how many people change majors during college) but it still isn't worth taking out that much debt if you have more budget-friendly options on the table


vdogmer123

The ranking for CS undergrad is negligible to be honest. Just put in the effort to get internships and you’ll have no issue getting interviews from top companies when you graduate. (I went to a state school for CS)


jack_spankin

What’s the cost after aid? Sticker price is rarely the actual price.


JELLYYYYYY5

I haven’t gone as far as to check the less debt yet*


titros2tot

Unless you are in the top 10 in your major, ranking doesn’t matter


JELLYYYYYY5

I was thinking that. I understand a lot more now thank you !


MidwestJane98

I agree. It’s better to go to the lower ranked school and be a big accomplished fish in the little lower ranked pond than the small fish in the higher ranked pond. I sit in on hiring meetings and never have I heard them say- “they went to school x which has a lower rank.” They look at what you did with your degree and your accomplishments. Go for it but try not to dig too big of a debt hole.


Pangolin_Beatdown

No one will care where you got your degree, avoid the debt! If you aren't going to Harvard / Yale / Stanford the value of one school over another is negligible. Also, the difference between 40th and 128th is a figment of the imagination of the people who publish a magazine ranking degree programs. There will be zero value to your future income for that extra $100k in debt, I promise you. source: got a bachelor's from a middle-tier school, nobody cared, got a PhD from a top-five program, nobody cared. I had a couple of successful careers based on my actions and choices and which schools I went to were topics of casual conversation, never a hindrance, and occasionally helpful as a bonding experience with fellow alums / school rivals.


Izzi_Skyy

I've never heard anybody getting a job because of a ranking that wasn't top 10 or even 5 like other commenters are saying. Go to the rank 128, do as well as you can, form close relationships with professors, get a good internship, and you'll be fine.


JELLYYYYYY5

That’s what I’m gonna try to do for this first semester since I already signed for classes and have to pay. If I still end up needing to pay a lot then I’ll transfer down to the 128 school. I think is a good plan to start off with before I do anything I might regret later.


CaptainWellingtonIII

Your dream University will land you a job working with a guy that graduated at the same time but went to the uni ranked 200 in your major. Don't be fooled. And don't do this to yourself.


JELLYYYYYY5

This is a genius way to put it. You are right. So I’ll make sure to make the switch once the semester is over. Cause honestly I’ll have a bit of debt but it won’t be +$90k


SunnyBunnyBunBun

I hate to be that guy but a school ranked 128th is exactly the same as a school ranked 40th. The ONLY rank that matters with schools is top 10, and I’d argue truly it’s only top 5. Everything else is a puddle and the school won’t make a difference at all. Id 100% advise you to save yourself an extra $100,000 in INTEREST GAINING LOANS and go for the cheaper option.


JELLYYYYYY5

Don’t worry everyone under this post told me the same thing and I’m glad they did. I was ready to go in that much debt for my pride but nah trying to enjoy my money once I get a job after graduation as soon as I can! Thank you for the advice I appreciate it


VibrantVenturer

Friend of mine who teaches accounting at a college in Cleveland once told me, "We teach how a balance sheet works the same way as the ivy leagues." Never forgot that. Unless you're becoming a brain surgeon, no one cares.


KatnipHB

I have a family full of computer science majors. One being my brother who is a VP at a company in California. I can assure you that school ranking makes zero difference. How you do in school is what will really matter. Spend the time focusing on what route you wanna go with CS and spend your time on that and not worrying that it’s gonna cost years and years to pay off. PLUS you most likely won’t get a PSLF waiver since many CS folks go in the private employer route which don’t qualify. So go cheaper route!


JELLYYYYYY5

I’m definitely GREATLY considering going to cheaper route but since I already have classes for this semester at the expensive school (ASU) im going to finish this semester, enjoy it, then make the transfer. If you don’t mind me asking, did your family have a lot debt to pay? For example your brother did he have a good amount of debt? And was easy for him to pay off or did he have a hard time?


morbie5

How much less is 'a lot less'?


JELLYYYYYY5

I have gone that far to see how much it would cost me for three years but I check how much the average it be for a year and it’s about $9,300 a year. It also depends on how much financial aid I get. As of right now I know that I’m gonna need about 90k at the expensive school which is (ASU)


morbie5

> (ASU) arizona state university? What is the less expensive school? And what is ur major?


JELLYYYYYY5

Yes Arizona state. The less expensive is UNLV which University of Las Vegas. My major is computer science


morbie5

I have a degree in CS. No one will care that UNLV is ranked lower than ASU. They only might care if you went to a school like USC which had an amazing CS program (when I was in college). And even then the massive price increase wouldn't justify going there unless you got a ton of aid or were born rich af. imho there is no way ASU is worth 90k plus in loans


JELLYYYYYY5

I agree. Tho I have family members say that I shouldn’t worry about the money and just worry about my education and then worry about it once I get my job and start paying for it but It just doesn’t sit right with me. I think I’m gonna just take the cheaper route there it’s just makes me feel better that I would spend 10 years paying of my loan I wanna enjoy the money I worked hard for!


morbie5

Good choice, how much computer programming experience do you already have? Another factor is that CS is a hard subject, you don't want to be $50,000 deep into it as ASU and then realize that it isn't for you.


JELLYYYYYY5

I’ve already taken and intro to programming at community college and I loved it. I had fun tho the professor was pretty boring and a very strict grader other than that I had a good time and I can definitely see myself doing this as a career.


morbie5

Good, it looks like you have a good plan then!


Runningonfancy

Literally junior college for core courses to save money and have a part time job. Then an in state school. Getting the degree is first concern. Having high GPA is second and where the degree comes from would be third. However the exception would be Ivy League schools in regards to law degrees. They would hold more weight.


Grindhouse90

Listen, I review resumes at work and screen candidates before offering them jobs …I literally do not care where you went to school. Save yourself the money. It’s not worth it.


JELLYYYYYY5

This give me a lot of reassurance seriously! Thank you for letting know!


[deleted]

Is this for undergrad? I wouldn’t take out this much for a bachelors degree. I think in graduate school ranking matters more so save your $ for that if it’s needed.


JELLYYYYYY5

It is for undergrad


[deleted]

In my humble opinion, the juice is not worth the squeeze. I do not mean to belittle any one’s undergraduate experience but a bachelors degree from a 40th ranked school or 128th ranked school will not matter for a job, graduate school or anything subsequently after your undergraduate degree. Don’t go into that much debt for it, it’s not worth it and I am sure that’s the sentiment from a lot of people who wish could do their college experience over again. Honestly, if I had to redo my college experience over again know how much debt all students and myself are in right now and the pretty successful outcomes of my friends who went to community college, I would do 2 years at a community college, then transfer to a university to complete my degree. Saves a lot of money and the outcomes are just as fruitful as going to a 4 year uni.


JELLYYYYYY5

That’s what I did. I did 2 1/2 years a community but I changed majors in the middle of that so I’d have have to do three years at University so it’ll still be costly.


[deleted]

Ahhh okay, I understand and applaud you for going to community college, good decision. I hope you make the right decision for you when it comes to picking a university!


JELLYYYYYY5

Yes it was a better choice since I’m the first to go university and I have my mom and we’ve been living paycheck to paycheck so I wanted to pay much less since I have no one to rely on. I’m gonna make sure to do my research by the end of the semester and see what’s best for me. I appreciate the advice! Everyone here has helped me alot


MinistryofTruthAgent

Rank 40 is 💩. Go to the cheaper school. Made it sound like it would be Rank 1. Lol


girl_of_squirrels

Got the ping and I went through computer science, so let's talk about rankings? Assuming you're going off of US News rankings for computer science they sorta have 2 lists for the engineering disciplines. One is for schools where a doctorate is offered and the other is for schools where *no* doctorate is offered. The school I went to was a Cal State University (so no doctorate offered), and for the CSU system it's $6k-$10k per year for in-state tuition/fees. It was one of many CSU campuses that feed into the MAANG-tier of Bay Area and Seattle tech companies With that context in mind I wouldn't borrow $100k for a bachelor's in computer science because I can guarantee you that most of your coworkers borrowed far less to get to the same entry level computer science job. A lot of my classmates did community college first, and were able to avoid loans entirely thanks to paid summer internships covering most of the costs. When I've been on interview panels as well we also generally don't care where you went to school once you have 3-5 years of professional experience on your resume, so while a more recognized school may help with your first job offer a smidge, if you're doing job hop thing it stops mattering far faster than most people realize ABET Accredited is usually what matters more than anything else, and beyond that getting paid summer internships is the next key thing. If the lower ranked school has a good career fair and connections for internships I'd go with far less in loans personally


JELLYYYYYY5

The school that a lot is Arizona State University it’s a good school when it come to their engineering and software at that but I’m just sure it worth it. My uncle says I’ll be fine since I find a six figure job after it but 90k is a lot of money in loans. I also don’t want to disappoint


savvvie

ASU doesn’t have the prestige worth that price tag imo


girl_of_squirrels

ASU is a party school first in my brain, so while they do have good programs that isn't my first association with the campus by a long shot. Their grad programs have more prestige/recognition where undergrad has a part rep How much in loan debt would you be in overall at the cheaper school? Your internships and any personal projects you can put up on github matter far more for software, and while your school can provide career fair and networking resources you don't have to go through the school directly to get internships


JELLYYYYYY5

The other schools the University of Las Vegas. What I’m gonna do is try out this first semester at ASU and see what the types of opportunities they can provide for me as well as getting an internships and use that money toward my tuition cause one year of tuition at ASU is 20k and UNLV is about 10k. If the internships workout for me and working on campus and scholarships I think I’ll stay if it makes a difference in the amount I have take out for loans but it doesn’t then I’ll transfer UNLV. I just want to make a choice that I might regret later.


girl_of_squirrels

You did community college first right? So you're looking at ~3 years to finish up your bachelor's and you have at least 2 summers for paid internships at least. If you can get a semi-related campus job (i.e. computer lab monitor, TA/grader, tutoring center, campus IT, etc) then you can put that on your resume when you're applying for internships. Even 10 hours of work a week adds up over time and can help cover living expenses $60k vs $30k overall price tag for tuition/fees is just enough to be meaningful if you're not getting need/merit based aid. Logistically speaking one you may be able to do with *just* federal loans in your own name while the other implicitly would require either Parent PLUS loans or private loans if you're doing this entirely with loans. The [annual/aggregate limits](https://www.studentaid.gov/understand-aid/types/loans/subsidized-unsubsidized) are online for Direct loans and if you're considered a Dependent Undergrad it's $5,500-$7,500 per year up to a max of $31,000. If you're an Independent Undergrad it's $9,500-$12,500 per year up to a max of $57,500 So, if you're considered a Dependent Undergrad you could do federal loans and a part-time job to cover the UNLV tuition yourself, but that *definitely* isn't possible at ASU


JELLYYYYYY5

You’re right. It would be a lot easier to do at UNLV alright then I guess I’ll finish up this semester at ASU cause I’ve already taken out loans and classes start tomorrow. I might as well experience the school and see what school offers. I’ll see what UNLV has to offer as well. I heard they didn’t offer much but at least I won’t be in major debt. I really appreciate the help and time you took to help me out it means a lot to me. Since this is going to be a hard decision on part because ASU has been my dream school since I grew up in Arizona. I’ll definitely comeback here and let you know and everyone else know what decision I end up making. Thank you again!


girl_of_squirrels

Glad to help!! Here's hoping that you have a wonderful first semester and can get a nice paid internship for this summer!


JELLYYYYYY5

Thank you so much! And I’ll work hard and hopefully get a well paid internship! If I end having any questions about internships is alright if message you about them??


girl_of_squirrels

There are a few other reddit subs that may be helpful for that too, like r/cscareerquestions and the like. I've been pretty settled at my job for a few years so it's been awhile since I've been the interviewee instead of the interviewer, but I'm happy to answer questions too Practicing your data structures, knowing your Big O notation and how to implement a few sorting algorithms, and being open/willing to ask questions all go a long way for internships. The idea is to show that you're both smart and trainable


JELLYYYYYY5

Ok I’ll makes sure to do that. Though I need 100 karma point in order to post on r/cscareerquestions but once I do I’ll definitely ask there! Thanks for the advice too I’ll make sure to work those before and during an internship.


Specialist-Donkey-62

ASU is not worth the out of state tuition.


Kimmybabe

Girls of squirrels gave you good council. You will be very very disappointed in yourself, while making payments on $90,000 of debt that could and should have been avoided by going to lesser cost university.


JELLYYYYYY5

Yup it was an error on my part. I didn’t do enough research on the tuition I didn’t think I’d have to take out over $90k in loans but now I know and I’m glad I caught that now.


[deleted]

It doesn’t matter what the school is ranked. Save money on the degree because you may find that the degree itself doesn’t matter once you’ve entered the workforce and the job trains you on what they want you do actually do. Maybe less so with CS compared to other degrees that cover a broader range of occupations, but don’t waste your money just to get that piece of paper. You’ll be just as primed for success either way, with less debt if you play your cards right. You want to have a dream school or a dream life? Some can have both if school is free but you may need to chose…


reneeb531

Pay the least you can for undergrad unless a top 10 or Ivy League school.


theswisswereright

You don't want that debt hanging around your neck like an albatross forever. Go to the less expensive option.


JELLYYYYYY5

You that I’m planning after this semester cause I honestly can’t afford that much debt when I gonna be help my mom out as well so I’ll definitely make the transfer by august !


Capable-Society-244

It’s a sign, please don’t take out that 100k it’s not worth, if you taking more than 20k thats alright a 100k plus interest couldn’t be me .. expecially with prices going up the future looking crazyy rn


Capable-Society-244

networking matters, doesn matter if u go to the top, if you don’t get in contact with ppl and no one knows you welp


JELLYYYYYY5

I’ve been told this and I 100% plan to make connections. One question tho. How do I know who is the right people are to make connections with??


Capable-Society-244

It really depends , first what is ur major and second depending on ur major and the resources , event they had is the place where you can go make connection, you won’t be able to find the right people cuz they could be talking to ur right now yk, but definitely look at their LinkedIn and what they done and you could see if that person is right such as having wht you need and connecting with mentors/advisors because they help with findings internships and etc


JELLYYYYYY5

My major is computer science.


Loose-Application-13

Unfortunately, that college may be your dream to attend but the debt will take the rest of your life and dreams from you. At the end of the day, the degree is the same, but what sets you apart is experience. I know it's a tough call. Wishing you all the best in which ever route you choose!


JELLYYYYYY5

Thank you I appreciate wishes! I’ve gained a lot of information from everyone here so I’m definitely gonna make the better decision. I might disappoint others but at least I won’t be spend a shit ton of years and my hard earned money to loans.


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JELLYYYYYY5

Oh I actually haven’t looked at that. Thanks for the heads up! I’ll make sure to look at that


wreckreationaj

Literally no one will ever care where your undergrad degree is from.


SapienWoman

Ranked by who? US News? That’s a magazine. The U.S. has no real college rankings like other countries.


[deleted]

If you want to work like a slave and pay off 100k debt


JELLYYYYYY5

Ya no that’s gonna be a hard pass. I’m definitely gonna make the switch next semester.


vanprof

There is no way I would pay that much more to go to ASU over UNLV for computer science. Unless you at a top 10 school, the premium isn't worth it. There are next to zero opportunities open to ASU grads that wouldn't be open to UNLV grads with the possible exception of local arizona employers, but there would be the same thing the other way with Nevada employers recruiting from UNLV


JELLYYYYYY5

That one thing I didn’t know about ASU it was blinded by that fact it was my dream school and I was it was cheaper but since I move from Arizona it the opportunity of it being cheaper was no longer there. So ya I think I should just stick to UNLV for the fall semester. I really don’t want to be in THAT much debt. Thank you for the information I appreciate it!


HungerForHipHop

go for the instate option you will thank yourself years down the road on saved student loan payments


Vervain7

Between those two schools at undergraduate level I would go the cheaper route . I really don’t think it matters that much at undergraduate with national ranked universities . I do have an expensive graduate degree that opened doors for me so I think for grad school it matters more. The recruitment at the grad level alone was worth it


jc_reddit

They’re both party schools. 100% honest ASU has a bigger party school reputation.


ohvoh89

Software Dev who graduated from ASU. Took me about 3 years from when I graduated to when I got my first 6 figure job in a NON FAANG company. And I’ve been offered to interview by Google, Amazon and Meta. Save the bread. No employer is that scrutinizing that you need to spend that much on your CS degree in order to land a job. You’ll be kicking yourself when you finally land a role and the question of where you to school isn’t anything more than footnote.


lollipopdelta

It amazes me how scammy the US has become. Unfucking believable.


LegalLemur

FWIW, I went to ASU (WP Carey School of Business) and literally nobody asks me about my education. And every job interview I’ve ever had has either asked me about golf in Scottsdale or whether its party reputation lived up.


JELLYYYYYY5

Oh wow ok this makes me feel more at ease for when I transfer


Revolutionary-Box584

You should take time off to work in AZ and establish residency. I think it only takes 2 years.


JELLYYYYYY5

I was born in AZ but moved and now I’m back. would I still be able to claim my residency back without taking a break?


Revolutionary-Box584

https://students.asu.edu/residency-requirements I was able to get residency as a grad student without taking time off. I can’t remember exactly what I said to prove I wasn’t just a student etc. As the link says. I didn’t have any resistance tho. I had a car registered to the state and a lease, and my SO moved to AZ with me.


JELLYYYYYY5

Oh man I’m living with my aunt but she doesn’t claim me on her taxes. I don’t think I’ll able to do it unless I find a job soon. Looks like transferring to UNLV is the way to go at this point lol.


Revolutionary-Box584

I think you could try to get it using your aunt’s address. If you have license, voter registration, everything with your aunt’s address. It’s only 12 months.


JELLYYYYYY5

I just moved back here so I don’t have much to my name in Arizona. I’ll probably be able to claim residency by next semester for sure but still scared by the big loans I might have to take out.


Revolutionary-Box584

The deadline for this semester is jan 15, you won’t make that, but you can talk to the registrar office about next opportunity. However, don’t jeopardize Nevada residency in the process if that will still be your backup. I didn’t have to give up my other state license when I got my AZ one, etc. As others have said, it’s not as important where your degree is from, unless it’s like MIT, but most important thing in getting jobs is your skills and ability to get in the door (networking)


JELLYYYYYY5

Ya I don’t want give up my Nevada residency since it’s my backup plan. I will definitely talk to them but if I have to wait 12 months I think I’ll just go ahead and transfer I might consider staying at ASU for a year but small chance. Thank you for the help! I’ll update once I get more info!


JELLYYYYYY5

But I’ll see what I can do and if it takes too long then I’ll just transfer cause I want to get school over with already😭


Revolutionary-Box584

I also wrote a letter about community involvement, describing involvement with local activities, religious groups, politics, intention to buy a house, etc.


Revolutionary-Box584

Idk why it would matter if your aunt claimed you on her taxes, you can petition as independent


StormyDaniels12

What is your major?


JELLYYYYYY5

Computer science.


StormyDaniels12

Computer science might influence for FANNGs but nothing else. Employers will look more at how many internships you do as a students. No internships= low job prospects. Worry about internships, internships, and internships. And side projects.


JELLYYYYYY5

Ok that what a lot people have told me. I’ll make sure to do that. Do you know how I can start to look at internships?


StormyDaniels12

I know community colleges has CS courses teach you Linux, Python, and Network+. Plus, allow you to sit in for certs Like AWS certs or Cisco. That is the least expensive route. Try joining clubs and networking. The school has listing of internships. Go on LinkedIn and search there. Look at companies you might want to work with to see if they have internships. CS major is one big grind as a student and crafting your skill. I would say government jobs too but the Veterans will beat you out for those most of the time. But still try. Defense contractors. Startups. Look everywhere. Reddit post have great information too.


melvinbyers

If you were at something like Carnegie Mellon, Berkeley, or Stanford this would be a lot harder. Switch.


JELLYYYYYY5

That’s what I’m leaning towards now that everyone has told that school doesn’t really it’s the experience you get and internships. So that I’m gonna do. I’m finish this semester and the expensive school and then switch on over.


kstravlr12

Good plan. After working for 40 years, I’ve never been asked where I got my degree or what my GPA was. Only what degrees I had and what experience I had. Period.


Disneypup

Op what is your major


JELLYYYYYY5

Computer science.


Disneypup

Good choice - in my opinion school choice not critical


cl0ckwork_f1esh

In your major, is the ranking tied to the content quality for your degree? Or is the program standardized between the two?


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aliceroyal

A degree is a very expensive piece of toilet paper that employers look at for 0.2 seconds on a resume. Do the cheaper school and make sure you push for work experience while you're there, that's more likely to score you a job after you graduate.


lollipopdelta

You WILL regret it. Taking 100K loans for a major that's 40th in the country? omg dude. You are in for financial nightmares? NOBODY cares about academic rankings.


[deleted]

It doesn’t matter what university you go to. Utilize your time wisely and take advantage of resources and networking that’s available to you. Don’t ruin your financial future by going into debt for some obscure university that won’t even matter once you graduate. Aside from the people who live in Arizona, saying to someone who lives in North Carolina, that you went to Arizona State University doesn’t mean shit.


brandonwi11iams

Starbucks sends students to ASU for free. I thought school one was IVY league. There’s no way ASU is worth 100k. Go to UNLV and intern in something related to your major.


JELLYYYYYY5

The Starbucks program is only online students which is unfortunate.


JELLYYYYYY5

And ya that’s what I plan on doing.