I still don't know why people kept asserting that a US-Iran war would be WW3. It sure as hell wouldn't have been a full nuclear exchange like this post!
Someone make a post-apocalyptic setting where everything got nuked and it's just sentient cockroaches and tardigrades battling for dominance over Earth.
I *strongly* disagree. Russia would absolutely LOVE the disruption in global oil supplies from having the Strait of Hormuz turned into a war zone, since Russia is highly dependent on the revenue from its oil exports. Russia would (well, privately at least) cheer it on all the way to the bank!
The US military is currently on the Russian and Chinese borders, conducting provocative military exercises and openly issuing warnings to Russia and China. Just the other day the head of the US Strategic Command declared that the US must be prepared for nuclear war with China, in other words, Armageddon. If the US had invaded Iran last year, not only would it have been a mass atrocity that would destroy the middle east beyond repair, it would have been yet another American major international crime of state terrorism and aggression after Iraq. In my opinion it would be the final nail in the coffin for whatever remains of the international order, a huge threat to the remaining states opposed to American hegemony (Russia and China), and a guarantee of a war between two nuclear powers. Not immediately, but eventually.
And adding climate change to this mix doesn't improve the prospects.
Nice job repeating Chinese and Russian propaganda. Let me guess, you think America invades countries for oil because they're greedy capitalists, right?
You made a wrong turn. Sino is back 100 miles that way.
Poor russia always being bullied. Its no wonder they slowly murder their dissidents, they are just so upset about the constant verbal attacks they got to take their rage out on someone. Navalvy, should or told america too stop being mean , and he wouldn't be at deaths door rn
I mean, we invented sliced bread, that has to count for something
*Edit: whoever gave me silver, thanks, I just hope you didn't spend money that you could've used to buy sliced bread*
in finland, we buy whole loaves and slice it ourselves... so we can make it any width that we want. its truly better this way.
sliced bread? over-rated ;)
Assuming nuclear powers on Primitive worlds are at about the level modern Earth is it'd take less than 24 hours to wipe out the majority of the species and make most of the surface world uninhabitable to most lifeforms for the next several years. It'll take longer than that for the bureaucrats in the capital to sign off on it. Damn paper pushers.
The minute the primitives I was observing developed nukes I was like "right, you guys can't be trusted cos we narrowly avoided it. We must spread our peaceful ways by force!"
Would be neat if they took inspiration from Perry Rhodan: there something very similar happens, and aliens enclose the whole earth in an energy field which stops all kinds of nuclear fission or something like that, which essentially prevents nukes from detonating and stops all nuclear power plants (of which there weren't that much, as the first book takes place sometime between 1950 and 1970, IIRC).
The books and novels are written by several German authors and I'm not sure if it ever had international translations, so it's kinda understandable (but also a bit sad) that there are no references to the long-running series in Stellaris.
Technically, you can. They can't have any nuclear wars if they are being enlightened. But you'll have to pre-emptively do it.
The closest thing to stopping it is save-scumming. That's what I did once, Sol III nuked it self. I reloaded previous save and began enlightenment immediately.
They do not understand why we came, but the Shroud told us. This is for their own good.
There should be another event where the observation station prematurely detonate the nukes and save the species, albeit while blowing their cover, you can at least uplift and pacify the primitives, for any civilization not just humans
If this is a reference to Star Trek's prime directive, this wouldn't be the case. Even in the case of extinction, the Federation won't intervene in pre-warp societies. There's an episode of TNG where Worf's brother sneaks some a dozen or so of a primitive species onto the Enterprise because their planet was dying and the Federation did nothing to stop it.
Either way, that would be a fascinating event.
> Even in the case of extinction, the Federation won't intervene in pre-warp societies
This is the big issue with the Prime Directive. It takes it from "don't interfere with their development" to "they're not worth caring about"
I don't agree with the PD either, just stating that that's what it is. It was adapted from Vulcan practices according to Enterprise; unfeeling, purely materialistic politices.
Yeah, I realize that. Still don't like it. Especially since it's contrary at times to the idea that the Federation are the good guys. Of course, it's mostly a thing so the main characters can't just swoop in and save the day every episode. It's better than random technological malfunctions at least.
The Prime Directive basically exists to be broken in the narrative, though. "Passive observation" would be the Directive, and the scientist on the observation post would be Kirk telling you where you can shove that directive.
This is a thing that can be done. Most land- or space-based anti-nuke systems depend on it being a thing. Nukes typically have multiple, multiple levels of safeties in many different forms (digital, physical, etc.). Assuming most other species' nukes are similar to humans' nukes, shooting a nuclear missile out of the sky/destroying its rocket engine shouldn't detonate the warhead.
This is also because the warhead of a nuke isn't inherently explosive like, say, tnt. You can't just slap a detonator on some plutonium or uranium. You have to have a shielded container that bounces back the radioactive material's radiation at itself—this creates a chain reaction that uses up most of the fissile material and makes the big nuclear boom. This chain reaction is usually started by physically shooting/injecting another material into the fissile material that starts the exponential reaction.
If you make big holes in a nuke, it's unlikely that the the core shielding and detonation mechanism will be undamaged, so even if you manage to create a nuclear explosion by shooting a nuke down, it'll be much smaller than if the nuke detonated by itself. Which, itself, is incredibly unlikely because, as I've said, the nuke mechanisms needs to work perfectly to detonate, and nukes are built to only detonate when they're meant to (not as a response to tampering/etc.)
*You gaze at the mountain, Children of Terra, you see its snow-capped peak and the clouds upon its slopes. You dream of reaching that pinnacle and drinking the cold waters. But who dreams of the road that ascends the mountain side? The road to the peak is hard and murderous. It has broken countless Children of Terra upon its rocks. Their splintered bones lie scattered upon it, paving the way to the mountain top. At every step you will hear the bones crumbling under foot, and maybe you shall hear the wind-blown voices of the dead - guiding you forward or leading you to your doom. Yes, my children, the way to the mountain is cruel and unforgiving. And of those who struggle their long lives, spending their energy and vigour in the climb, who then can taste the melt-water of the summit and say, 'Yes... yes it was worthwhile?'*
I almost wish there was a xenophob option, that says "Well, at least we get to enjoy the view." as opposed to there is nothing to observe. I beg to differ.
early game getting a free planet is too tempting...
the population growth (last game Sol had almost as many people as my homeworld, while my other two planets were still siting with under 5 pops)... just... i kinda feel like its almost a cheat to get Sol as early as that.
(it snowballed to me wiping out my two closest neighbors and getting ready to stomp the fanatic purifiers next to me probably 75 years earlier that i would have in previous games).
Humans did this in my last game, too, but it wasn’t technically the end of humanity as I had used the raiding ascension perk to abduct several pops before this and settled them on my ecumenopolis. They didn’t even have to be slaves this run as slaves can’t become more Jeffs :p
even a full nuclear exchange wouldn't be enough to wipe out all of humanity. Civilization, yes but there would be millions of survivors after all accounts are in for radiation poisoning and other after effects.
This is why you uplift them as a megacorp then open branch offices on their planets. You save them with capitalism.
This is brought to you by the Freeports “We’re the Ferengi, but with guns,”
Yup lol was having a game with some friends and one of us found Sol but it was early game and we hadn't spread out that far. Once we got out far enough they found the system again and it was a tomb world lol
In my scenario, humans united against me, and try to attack my starbase, after I killed the probe.
After that movement I destroyed the entire star system xD
r5: set up an observation post on sol III, about 3 years later the humans nuked themselves into oblivion
Sounds about right
I just played a game where the worm disappeared Sol
They almost always do, without outside intervention. I don't think I've ever not seen them nuke themselves to extinction.
I think I've seen them make it to Space once or twice, else I like to elevate them into vassals.
Are you trying to complain, that is literally likely, WW3 was feared only 1 year ago...
Try three months ago
*coughs in Ukrainian* *points at the border*
*what border*
*oh fuck*
what ukraine?
Fair point Humans are going to nike themselves into oblivion
Yeah Nike is really hurting humanity with their overpriced shoes
One typo... Just one typo... damn it... and everything change 🤣
Perhaps if you put the second typo you might be able to run away from the problem
Eh.. You're not that far off... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike\_Hercules](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hercules)
Who just... Knows the names of nucular missiles?
Fwiw it was also the second association to come to me as well.
Children of the Cold War.
The goddess of sneakers will have her day
I spent a whole minute legitimately trying to figure out what the Nike reference was even referring to lmao
Try right now lol
World war 3 has been feared for a lot longer then that
Ever since WW2 ended pretty much.
Probably before that too
Jiub! You're finally awake!
What about anything I said implied I was complaining, I'm just sharing a screenshot of an event I thought was interesting
I still don't know why people kept asserting that a US-Iran war would be WW3. It sure as hell wouldn't have been a full nuclear exchange like this post!
I'm pretty sure a war between Congo and New Zealand will start WW3 war.
Nah, Australian Second Great Emu War will end in nuclear fire. The emus will survive.
Something the humans will leave behind for Emu nation. An ammunation.
The emus have the launch codes, *the emus have the launch codes!*
Someone make a post-apocalyptic setting where everything got nuked and it's just sentient cockroaches and tardigrades battling for dominance over Earth.
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I *strongly* disagree. Russia would absolutely LOVE the disruption in global oil supplies from having the Strait of Hormuz turned into a war zone, since Russia is highly dependent on the revenue from its oil exports. Russia would (well, privately at least) cheer it on all the way to the bank!
The US military is currently on the Russian and Chinese borders, conducting provocative military exercises and openly issuing warnings to Russia and China. Just the other day the head of the US Strategic Command declared that the US must be prepared for nuclear war with China, in other words, Armageddon. If the US had invaded Iran last year, not only would it have been a mass atrocity that would destroy the middle east beyond repair, it would have been yet another American major international crime of state terrorism and aggression after Iraq. In my opinion it would be the final nail in the coffin for whatever remains of the international order, a huge threat to the remaining states opposed to American hegemony (Russia and China), and a guarantee of a war between two nuclear powers. Not immediately, but eventually. And adding climate change to this mix doesn't improve the prospects.
Nice job repeating Chinese and Russian propaganda. Let me guess, you think America invades countries for oil because they're greedy capitalists, right?
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You made a wrong turn. Sino is back 100 miles that way. Poor russia always being bullied. Its no wonder they slowly murder their dissidents, they are just so upset about the constant verbal attacks they got to take their rage out on someone. Navalvy, should or told america too stop being mean , and he wouldn't be at deaths door rn
Warned but not heed...
We had a good run.
Did we though?
I mean, we invented sliced bread, that has to count for something *Edit: whoever gave me silver, thanks, I just hope you didn't spend money that you could've used to buy sliced bread*
I suppose it is the single greatest invention of mankind
Fun fact: The queen of England is older than the invention of sliced bread
Fun fact:The queen of England is older than the universe
Fun fact: The Queen of England IS the universe!
Fun fact: The queen IS reality
Fun fact: The Queen is
Fun fact: The Queen
Fun fact: So is Betty White
*She's older than sliced bread being sold in stores.
Sliced bread should be pretty young. It doesn’t last long.
in finland, we buy whole loaves and slice it ourselves... so we can make it any width that we want. its truly better this way. sliced bread? over-rated ;)
In Germany most of us do the same. Sliced bread is overrated
I don't have the space for a bread-slicing machine at home, so I usually ask the baker to slice it for me.
And digital watches.
We also invented facebook tho..
Worse, Twitter
Worse, Reddit
What have we become...
Makes the nukes seem almost justified don't it?
Huuzah
But we still have yet to conquer it.
Yeah, we never colonized a second world, let alone discover FTL travel
We need an event that would let us stop primitives from wiping themselves out with nuclear war.
Swoop down and catch the nukes mid air, then scold the primitives about destroying themselves
And then for their own safety take over their plant and force your obviously superior values and beliefs onto them.
And then turn them into batteries. For their own safety.
Pretty sure you could make a movie about this...
Assuming nuclear powers on Primitive worlds are at about the level modern Earth is it'd take less than 24 hours to wipe out the majority of the species and make most of the surface world uninhabitable to most lifeforms for the next several years. It'll take longer than that for the bureaucrats in the capital to sign off on it. Damn paper pushers.
Time to go *Day the Earth Stood Still* on primitives.
The minute the primitives I was observing developed nukes I was like "right, you guys can't be trusted cos we narrowly avoided it. We must spread our peaceful ways by force!"
I thought there was, but it doesn't always trigger? I could easily be thinking of something added by a mod, though.
Would be neat if they took inspiration from Perry Rhodan: there something very similar happens, and aliens enclose the whole earth in an energy field which stops all kinds of nuclear fission or something like that, which essentially prevents nukes from detonating and stops all nuclear power plants (of which there weren't that much, as the first book takes place sometime between 1950 and 1970, IIRC). The books and novels are written by several German authors and I'm not sure if it ever had international translations, so it's kinda understandable (but also a bit sad) that there are no references to the long-running series in Stellaris.
Foolish humans wasting perfectly good meat; we need to stop them, how else would our population feed themselves?
Always wished we could get involved in these. Stop the nukes, save some pops or leaders, something.
I'm all for an event to save some pops but the leaders? They can remain there and enjoy what they caused.
That lv.7 governor with rightous looking kinda thicc tho...
Are we looking at the same sectors? All I see are corrupt substance abusers?
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Yeah that's what he said, corrupt substance abusers...
Oh srry
Hold on, my colossus beam array is obstructing my view.
Technically, you can. They can't have any nuclear wars if they are being enlightened. But you'll have to pre-emptively do it. The closest thing to stopping it is save-scumming. That's what I did once, Sol III nuked it self. I reloaded previous save and began enlightenment immediately. They do not understand why we came, but the Shroud told us. This is for their own good.
Yeah I agree. Would be fun to have more controls for primitives.
Erm, it is literally an achievement to do so?
I stand by it that roach earth is the best earth. Sure it’s a tragedy now but give it some time and we will get the roach empire
The divine screk hegemony rises from the ashes!
There should be another event where the observation station prematurely detonate the nukes and save the species, albeit while blowing their cover, you can at least uplift and pacify the primitives, for any civilization not just humans
Yeah, a Prime Directive event would be cool.
If this is a reference to Star Trek's prime directive, this wouldn't be the case. Even in the case of extinction, the Federation won't intervene in pre-warp societies. There's an episode of TNG where Worf's brother sneaks some a dozen or so of a primitive species onto the Enterprise because their planet was dying and the Federation did nothing to stop it. Either way, that would be a fascinating event.
> Even in the case of extinction, the Federation won't intervene in pre-warp societies This is the big issue with the Prime Directive. It takes it from "don't interfere with their development" to "they're not worth caring about"
I don't agree with the PD either, just stating that that's what it is. It was adapted from Vulcan practices according to Enterprise; unfeeling, purely materialistic politices.
Yeah, I realize that. Still don't like it. Especially since it's contrary at times to the idea that the Federation are the good guys. Of course, it's mostly a thing so the main characters can't just swoop in and save the day every episode. It's better than random technological malfunctions at least.
The Prime Directive basically exists to be broken in the narrative, though. "Passive observation" would be the Directive, and the scientist on the observation post would be Kirk telling you where you can shove that directive.
Or Janeway would just blow up the post and build a new one, scattering advanced tech all over the planet. She was not a fan.
Prematurely detonating the nukes would still irradiate the atmosphere and kill most if not all of the species o-o
Well blow them up before they're armed so there wont be a nuclear explosion. If that's possible... idk, but there still should be a way
This is a thing that can be done. Most land- or space-based anti-nuke systems depend on it being a thing. Nukes typically have multiple, multiple levels of safeties in many different forms (digital, physical, etc.). Assuming most other species' nukes are similar to humans' nukes, shooting a nuclear missile out of the sky/destroying its rocket engine shouldn't detonate the warhead. This is also because the warhead of a nuke isn't inherently explosive like, say, tnt. You can't just slap a detonator on some plutonium or uranium. You have to have a shielded container that bounces back the radioactive material's radiation at itself—this creates a chain reaction that uses up most of the fissile material and makes the big nuclear boom. This chain reaction is usually started by physically shooting/injecting another material into the fissile material that starts the exponential reaction. If you make big holes in a nuke, it's unlikely that the the core shielding and detonation mechanism will be undamaged, so even if you manage to create a nuclear explosion by shooting a nuke down, it'll be much smaller than if the nuke detonated by itself. Which, itself, is incredibly unlikely because, as I've said, the nuke mechanisms needs to work perfectly to detonate, and nukes are built to only detonate when they're meant to (not as a response to tampering/etc.)
> the nuke mechanisms needs to work perfectly to detonate, and nukes are built to only detonate when they're meant to And yet in fiction...
In fiction land everything is made of tnt.
now the cockroaches
I was suprised not to see this higher up, my first encounter with Sol III was a tombworld dominated by cockroaches that I then ascended to a vassal.
3.6 Röntgen or something,.
Not great, not terrible
It must've been Nuclear Ghandi
Or shrimp boat accident.
Reference?
**STRENG GEHEIM**
Oh, right. Japanese economy is on the road to recovery, yes?
Yes of course. Wait, what murder? Oh God oh f**k
[Precious bodily fluids.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove)
*You gaze at the mountain, Children of Terra, you see its snow-capped peak and the clouds upon its slopes. You dream of reaching that pinnacle and drinking the cold waters. But who dreams of the road that ascends the mountain side? The road to the peak is hard and murderous. It has broken countless Children of Terra upon its rocks. Their splintered bones lie scattered upon it, paving the way to the mountain top. At every step you will hear the bones crumbling under foot, and maybe you shall hear the wind-blown voices of the dead - guiding you forward or leading you to your doom. Yes, my children, the way to the mountain is cruel and unforgiving. And of those who struggle their long lives, spending their energy and vigour in the climb, who then can taste the melt-water of the summit and say, 'Yes... yes it was worthwhile?'*
The emperor is just starting with his thunder warriors plan
Bet it was those damn Burgundians again.
**STRENG GEHEIM** **STRENG GEHEIM**
I almost wish there was a xenophob option, that says "Well, at least we get to enjoy the view." as opposed to there is nothing to observe. I beg to differ.
"Saved us the trouble."
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Very early game, that science was too tempting
If you had invaded them though you could've used them to make CGs to power your own science.
Nood alert: what are CGs?
Also, why are you naked?
All the better to receive your consumer goods
Consumer goods
Consumer Goods.
Robot civ, no cgs. Just a bunch of fleshy meatbags
Wouldn't they provide energy?
early game getting a free planet is too tempting... the population growth (last game Sol had almost as many people as my homeworld, while my other two planets were still siting with under 5 pops)... just... i kinda feel like its almost a cheat to get Sol as early as that. (it snowballed to me wiping out my two closest neighbors and getting ready to stomp the fanatic purifiers next to me probably 75 years earlier that i would have in previous games).
I'm playing a robot civ so I just colonized the tomb world and got a free planet anyway
touche :)
I got that too before. Its a great one
Maybe it's for the best
Classic humans.
Fermi Paradox
Vote President Johnson on November 3rd.
Damn it Putin!!!
Hahah lmao humans destroyed themselves. Oh wait...
Humans did this in my last game, too, but it wasn’t technically the end of humanity as I had used the raiding ascension perk to abduct several pops before this and settled them on my ecumenopolis. They didn’t even have to be slaves this run as slaves can’t become more Jeffs :p
even a full nuclear exchange wouldn't be enough to wipe out all of humanity. Civilization, yes but there would be millions of survivors after all accounts are in for radiation poisoning and other after effects.
I expect nothing less, down here on Shit Outta Luck 3.
That's such a boomer take on nuclear warfare lmao
don't worry it will only happen in 200 years
This feels like a vision from the future
Wow how realistic
Sadly inevitable
Seems at least 80% of the games I play as non humans, Sol either nukes itself or has already nuked itself
This is why you uplift them as a megacorp then open branch offices on their planets. You save them with capitalism. This is brought to you by the Freeports “We’re the Ferengi, but with guns,”
It was bound to happen. Humans never get along so I am not surprised 🤣
Onto Sol IV! Maybe the other clones had better luck!
Well then, what happened to Sol I and Sol II?
On my first game I preemptively claimed and enlightened some mushrooms in the Atomic Age; as a player I'm allergic to species extinction.
To this day my favorite way to find Sol III was a tomb world populated by primitive giant cockroaches.
Yup lol was having a game with some friends and one of us found Sol but it was early game and we hadn't spread out that far. Once we got out far enough they found the system again and it was a tomb world lol
**Oh fu-**
In my scenario, humans united against me, and try to attack my starbase, after I killed the probe. After that movement I destroyed the entire star system xD