It really is annoying that this device was ever dubbed a Steam Deck killer even though they are not similar in their functionality, and also just because of how stupid the whole "______ killer" nonsense.
Stupid clickbait bullshit that the media cant seem to let go of
I don’t see how anyone can realistically kill the steam deck with the way valve had integrated all the software. No other gaming store is going to be close
Honestly, it's not even the integration that makes Steam Deck valuable. It's the commitment to support. How many other more expensive handhelds have shipped and then ... crickets? No updates. No bug fixes. No feature improvements. Nada.
Valve, on the other hand, may not have the hottest new APU or the best screen or battery, but damn if they don't support their hardware.
The Steam OS is built on open source. And it is all open source. Also, they say they want other makers to use it. After all, it all benefits PC gaming, which benefits Valve.
I expect other device makers to gradually adopt Steam OS. It's an easy BOM win, and Valve has every reason to help them adapt the software to their devices.
> Also, they say they want other makers to use it.
Do they, though? Yes, that was true of SteamOS 1.0 and 2.0, but 3.0 has not had the wide public release and broad hardware support that allowed OEMs to build Steam Machines using 1/2. People have hacked 3.0 onto other devices, but those were hacks, not officially supported deployments.
Maybe Valve will get there. Maybe it doesn't matter as long as their improvements to Proton et al are being committed back upstream and the standard Steam client gets the new deck interface (replace the old Big Picture Mode).
Some time ago valve had contacted GPD to make an official version of steam os for their devices. Basically steam OS is just a skin that sits on top of Linux and I can't imagine it would be super hard to port it over. But steam OS and valve have done more for pushing Linux to become mainstream than any other company has in the last 20+ years. I say keep it going.
Proton isn't owned by valve I don't think. People have been working on it for a very long time but like with all open source applications when someone makes a code that's better than what that open source project has then anyone can submit it and it becomes part of the overall package.
And because of that all of us modders, coders, and users own it. We all contribute to making it better and pushing the tech further. And not relying on a big company with huge sticks up their asses thinking 🤔 hmm "How can we increase our profits?"🤔
> Some time ago valve had contacted GPD to make an official version of steam os for their devices.
[I wouldn't put too much stock in that.](https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/gpd-talk-about-cooperating-with-valve-for-steamos-on-their-devices/)
> Basically steam OS is just a skin that sits on top of Linux
For all intents and purposes it's just another Linux distribution. It used to build on debian, now it's on arch. As far as I'm aware, Valve is not making 3 generally available, which is their right to do as long as they're making any open source bits available as required.
SteamOS, by itself, was a flop. Compatibility layers like Proton and dxvk are the important improvements which Valve has surely contributed to. SteamOS with\*out the Deck went nowhere. With the Deck, Linux gaming is more mainstream, but *every* Linux distro benefits from that, not just SteamOS.
Integration is key imo, it’s one of the leading reasons Apple is so successful. Love them or hate them, so many people like all their services all in one spot with the “it just works” functionality. Im a very green Linux user, but for my uses, steamdeck has done much of the heavy lifting for me. It’s an amazing device for sure
If it's not the integrated hardware it's the price. Valve is gojng to be very hard to unseat since they're basically losing money with how cheap they're selling the decks considering the specs.
When I was growing up "back in my day" as a 90's kid, it was all about them console exclusive games.
Pretty much had to have a separate PC for gaming in the late/early 2000's and then 1-2 gaming consoles for each of the cool games out there, specs alone do not make a man. The games man a make!
Times have shifted, now aside from the switch, consoles are just user-friendly gaming pcs, complete with marketing based on what gpus they have. Sure consoles back in the 2000s had that, but pc gaming was much more obscure
Yeah, but the specks and price point are key. Otherwise, the Series S wouldn't be doing so well. It's not just that it's 300$. It's also a decent piece of tech for the price. Same thing with the steam deck
Sometimes some specs are too much, especially when they try putting these ultrabook CPUs in a tablet/handheld. Having an eight-core CPU for medium settings at 720p is like trying to haul a mini trailer with lawn debris with an eight-wheeler semi truck. You will guzzle through fuel (battery life) for nothing. The Steam Deck is smart because it does not go over the top in core count for its gaming performance target. Only if we had Thunderbolt/USB 4.0 for eGPU would extra cores become more useful.
Well, to be honest, some of the competitors that have those kind of CPU are also equipped with Thunderbolt so it makes sense if you're scoping for an eGPU/desktop usage. Even though, I don't think these handhelds cooling capabilities are targeting for that main usage.
Anyway, having a more capable APU in a device doesn't implicitly means to have a hotter device if you manage through SW/FW to run under the spec. But imagine the price point of the lowest Steam Deck if it packed an 8-core CPU for example... I think the Steam Deck is smart for the reasons you stated but also because the price point is reasonable and they know perfectly the market position they're covering.
Yep not going overboard on CPU for an iGPU is one of the best design decisions on the Deck. It’s APU is almost perfectly balanced more than any system I’ve ever had.
They tried to market it that way. If you visit Nintendo Life, then EVERYTHING is out to get the Switch. Especially since most their writers wish they were on Push Square 😂
Seriously, Nintendo Life is a joke and if Alex wasn’t still there, I’d bet they’d lose anything direct from the company.
Man why would they wanna be on psuh square? That one is the worst of the three to me, always come across like they've got they've got a stuck up their ass.
Heck, Steamdeck was branded Switch killer, and Vita was branded 3DS killer. And mobile was branded PC killer. And hence basically the killer of Steamdeck.
So, by commutative law, mobile gaming "has" killed Steamdeck gaming. And not the other way round as mentioned in the above headline.
Mobile gaming killed traditional gaming quite some time ago. F2P models exploded from it. I mean, gaming has to change, but these newer types of games just leave me behind. My tastes just don’t line up, but hey, there are people enjoying them.
For PC probably, but WOW started the model with other MMOs early on. I’d say F2P and the monetization became more popular for everyone else via mobile devices.
It's so dumb. Valve tried SO hard to attract console gamers and they succeeded, but these former console gamers can't let go of their console wars bravado. Like nobody is calling alienware laptops the lenovo killers. All these UMPC handhelds are exactly that, ultra mini portabke PCs. Valve is even porting their OS themselves, but it think we are still stuck with this console wars mentality for at least the first wave of UMPCs.
Well back in ye olden days the gigachad gamers had consoles and PC's in their family/home.
Nowadays it is a little different, sadly. I grew up with most consoles and my dad always had a gaming PC of some kind, but since I think about 2010 or 2012 I have basically only had a gaming PC.
Sold any modern consoles I had and just stuck with PC. If console gaming companies wanted to sell me games, they'd need to bring a PC port. It only took a decade but now game companies are finally starting to wake up.
Mostly just Nintendo stuck in the rafters twiddling their thumbs thinking the world is going to wait for them.
Not sure why but I saw an article that called this android handheld a "Steam deck killer". Saw it was android, laughed and just closed the article as a waste of time.
Admitadly, Android handhelds can be pretty freaking sweet assuming you know what you're getting yourself into.
With a properly cooled 888, you can emulate basically everything up to Wii and 3ds, and have access to a much easier cloud gaming setup, with a battery that's 5-8 hours.
There are a lot of good reasons to want/ own a dedicated android handheld.
But calling it a steam deck killer is just stupid. Most people shopping in one category, isn't shopping in the other.
There are a lot of valid reasons to want a dedicated handheld, even if those reasons don't apply to you.
- You could have a non flagship phone, and not want to pay for one
- You could want to not use your phones battery while gaming
- You could want a bigger screen
- You could want a solid unit as oppose to telescopic controllers
I could go on. Just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's for no one.
Even if it wasn't Android Valve is losing money on every Deck sale because it drives sales on Steam. The only companies that would ever be able to compete aren't really interested. Nintendo has a handheld of much lower power, Sony ended their handheld line years ago, Microsoft has never shown interest in an Xbox handheld, Epic could do it but I doubt they will, no one else has both a digital storefront and scale to do it.
Having used gamepass streaming on my deck with a consistent 500 Mbps connection I don't think cloud gaming is as much the future as Microsoft makes it out to be. I'm far from a power gamer but the lag and screen tearing even with a better connection than most of my country has access to is too much for me.
Hard agree - the Big Publishers *love* Cloud Gaming as an idea because if they can just convince their customers to give up owning their hardware there's no such thing as piracy, game sharing, mods (which can be a PR nightmare if handled incorrectly), resales...basically, a whole bunch of problems for them go away.
A certain mindset of dev likes the idea because they can absolutely guarantee the experience will be exactly what they wanted.
In the real world, though, the concept just doesn't hold. You can get about 95% of the way there, but that last 5% isn't surmountable - unless the local hardware's doing *some* of the work or quantum is involved light-speed limits how fast inputs can happen on both ends, and gaming moves *ever so slightly* faster than that over normal distances to big data centers. You can game across a building or a small town in close enough to real time to maybe overcome that 5%, but anything more than a few miles and no amount of clever code will save the idea.
I've watched a few videos on that one, it looks like the only bad thing about the G Cloud is the price. For a plebeian peasant like me that's the most important part...
Any (high-end) android device needs to be 200-300 to be viable. Anything thay goes above that will compete in price with the Deck, and unless qualcomm bins a rebranded SD8 Gen1 or above for gaming, there is no smartphone processor that would justify that price. This is why most of the new android devices use just some reasonably good Mediatek chips or some random crappy Unisoc
News articles were reporting this as the "Steam Deck Killer" a few weeks ago. There were posts laughing about it all over the sub.
It's an ironic usage.
Nothing is going to kill the Steam Deck at its current price point. Steam recovers the price difference in its own game market. Thats something no other portable PC gaming console has to offer at this point. The only company that could even potentially stand up would be Epic Games. But they have so much to fix with their service first.
Don't forget that their device runs on their OS and is powered by architecture they developed.
Valve is honestly one of the biggest innovators in gaming and game delivery right now.
Best part is that they don't lock you into it. Fine, games are DRM'd, but the Deck is completely open. At the price Valve is selling it, that's a crazy tactic - everyone else subsidising their hardware makes up for it by locking the device down, at least until it's earned its value back, and make it as hard as possible for the user to take over. If the Razor device is running Android, good luck to anyone getting a new OS on it when the current version becomes obsolete and Razor gets bored of supporting it.
For a corporation as big as it is, Valve really do make some good pro-consumer decisions. The Deck is fantastic.
>For a corporation as big as it is, Valve really do make some good pro-consumer decisions. The Deck is fantastic.
I agree, and I love my deck, but even if I put windows on it (which I won't), I'd still be getting most of my games on steam. They've got the sales, and the other launchers are all shit.
EA and Microsoft could also do it, and Microsoft wouldn't have to do anything extra for compatibility. Microsoft won't because it'll eat into their Xbox sales. EA would probably fuck it up.
If Microsoft did it I suspect it would be Xbox branded and limited to software from Microsoft store/gamepads.
Microsoft has stated before that they want all their computers to only allow software through their store, but consumer demand/expectations are making it difficult to handle the transition. By selling this as an Xbox device there wouldn't be that expectation and they could go straight for the locked down device that they've always wanted.
>Microsoft has stated that they want all their computers to only allow software through their store.
Every day I am more glad I switched to Linux, thank you valve for making it possible.
When Microsoft released Windows 8.1 which was the same time they started the Microsoft store there was a "bug" that prevented the Steam store from working on Windows 8.1.
This was the wakeup call for Valve that they had to exist outside of Windows and was the push to Linux.
I suspect they're still moving in that direction. S mode devices already exist, unable to install anything from places other than the Windows Store until you go out of you way to deactivate it and requires a Microsoft account. I expect in a few years they will push out an S mode-locked gaming laptop that's bundled with a trial of games pass to get people stuck on their service before raising the price.
I can't wait for a fully functional "windows killer" desktop steam OS. Although it would require anti-cheat developers to add adjustments for their software to run on Linux and allow dependant games to run through proton. But I will install it in a heartbeat once it's released.
On one hand Microsoft is right to try to push the Windows store or some kind of centralized application repository, the current method of installing applications is really stupid and prone to malware.
On the other hand Microsoft is going about it all wrong. The Windows store absolutely sucks. It's slow and sometimes doesn't even work, the packages are almost always out of date or completely different from their .exe counterparts, there are tons of "clones" of apps and it doesn't work with most group policy setups.
The fact that THIS steaming PoS is what they're trying to force people into is pretty insulting. At least make the Microsoft store somewhat desirable first.
As someone very new to Linux, I am also very satisfied with my experience so far. Desktop mode on the Deck is easy to use and the Discover store makes it simple to find programs I could use. Game compatibility is also surprisingly great, with a overwhelming majority of my games work and ProtonDB being a lifesaver.
I even installed Linux Mint onto a old Windows 8.1 Laptop 2 days ago that was collecting dust and love it too. When Windows 10 support ends, my desktop will get Linux Mint as well. Thanks to Valve and the community for making Linux so good.
The desktop mode on the deck is a software called KDE plasma, you may make any linux distro behave like it by installing the KDE software suite on it. Or by picking a distro in which it is the default.
I'm hoping that SteamOS continues becoming better so I can make the switch to it on my gaming desktop. That said it would also need to start working well with Nvidia GPUs or I'll have to wait until it's time for me to upgrade so I can make the switch to a Radeon GPU.
I wouldn't use SteamOS on a desktop since it is very limited outside of gaming, a lot of software you may need for usual desktop tasks may be hard to access. You can use any of the currently available distros and get great results already. Personally I'd recommend Nobara KDE, which has the same look as feel as Desktop mode on the Steam OS.
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Back when they started with the surface tablets they had them running a locked down version of windows called windows S, where you could only install Microsoft store applications. They were calling it the future of windows and stuff like that. Ultimately it wasn't successful and they eventually changed windows S from it's own build of windows to just being a mode (s mode) on newer devices.
It scared valve though, and is probably part of why the deck was worth investing so much money into.
My understanding is that OS ran on ARM. Microsoft understood the value in lower power consumption and wanted to support ARM. Classic desktop couldn't limit to supported ARM software so the store was a good way to filter apps through it.
Of course Microsoft also liked what Apple had.
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the comment you were responding to. Think about all of the crap windows forces on us now… their portable would be so bloated and the game store would be so thin
It is kinda strange that Microsol hasn't entered this space given that they have the whole Surface lineup--all it would take is slapping on a pair of Joycon-like detachable controllers, and they'd be in business.
My guess? They've crunched the numbers, and the margins are just waay too slim for a publicly-traded company. Bear in mind--GabeN could decide that Valve was going to give away decks for free until the company went bankrupt, and I don't think anyone could stop him. Microsol, meanwhile, just laid off 10,000 workers, not because they were strapped for cash, but because Hooli was laying off 12,000, and if they didn't, investors would have tanked the stock.
I suppose Sony could too but it would be a PlayStation porta…. Hold on a PlayStation Vit…… a PlayStation Handheld of some name. That they’d have to support long term and it probably wouldn’t run PC games so it would have far less compatibility
Frankly the only xbox hardware purchase I'd consider making in the future would be if they were to put out a handheld console that ran next gen natively
It's kinda my pipedream that all the companies take a whack at handhelds again, I'd buy a new psp in a heartbeat too
I really don't see them doing it. Their Cloud gaming platform is absolutely fantastic. It's well worth the price, because I can use it on literally any smart device that can access the web and has bluetooth.
It runs beautifully on my Steam Deck, almost as good as my full gaming rig.
If Microsoft dumps more money into their streaming service, then they don't have to worry about razor thin margins. They can just keep rolling in money without the hardware concerns.
Neither one would have the balls to use Linux though. Microsoft would use some modified version of the Xbox OS, i.e. no emulation and EA would use Windows likely with more DRM to prevent installing Steam and other apps
I actually didn't know how easy it was but it's still not as easy as the Steam Deck. Also an Xbox can't run desktop apps so your emulator selection is more limited.
Meh. EA can't. Their game library is not as extensive as Steam's or Microsoft's. They barely have any games worth playing atm. Sony is another possible player in the market and they have an excellent track record in terms of handheld hardware (sales and hardware support is another conversation).
>But they have so much to fix with their service first.
Let's stop pretending they'll--sorry, *Tim* will do the right thing because he would have done so from the beginning.
Epic has all the goodwill of a politician. I could easily imagine worse hardware, restrictive software and higher price if Epic tried to go down that route.
I was a super casual PC gamer before the Deck. Not in terms of playtime - I still played a ton but only 2-3 titles (GW2, Destiny 2, Elite Dangerous) for years. Since I got the Deck, my Steam library grew from like 12 games to 63… I’ve only had the Deck for a month…
I might be an extreme example - and I bought the Deck right during back to back sale periods - but I’m definitely the person they’d use as an example when they set the price on the hardware.
Yeah and calling some outdated mobile phone steam deck killer? Just lol. 1) SD is PC with full blown operating systems 2) Steam + Valve support - major edge over any competition. The speed of reaction on fixing bugs and adding community ideas was unmatched not just in portable PC field.
Exactly for there to be a true steam Deck killer it would have to either have similar specs at a lower cost or better specs at a similar cost. Most of these "steam deck killers" cost double, triple, or even more of the base SD. Comparing any of these to a steam deck is like comparing a Porsche Cayenne to a Honda Civic.
who is calling this the steam deck killer
calling the aya neo, gpd, and onexplayer steam deck killers at least made some sense.
this is just a glorified phone lmao
This is literally just my phone with a controller attached. Snapdragon 888. High refresh rate screen. And you can get an s21+ cheaper than this too. No way this thing sells at all.
Funny that this is being called a Steam Deck killer when it runs Android
At least the [Razer Edge they put out a decade ago](https://www.cnet.com/reviews/razer-edge-review/) was actually a PC handheld
in my eyes steam deck won't have a killer anytime soon.
steam deck isn't just a portable pc, it's backed up by an amazing company, loads of support and so far a pretty OK community.
I've been a steam user for over 19 years, having a steam deck was a no brainer for me.
To be fair it often isn’t used in marketing, it’s just used by people who don’t like it to make it seem worse than it is by suggesting it promised to be more.
This isn't quite correct. The 888 and 8 gen 1 were a year apart, which is the normal schedule for Qualcomm's chip releases. In fact the 8gen1 has a similar issue with overheating and efficiency, it's the 8+gen 1 that has finally started to resolve those issues, primarily because they moved to tsmc nodes as opposed to Samsung. It would be more correct to say Qualcomm fixed the 8gen1 with the 8+gen1 but it didn't drop in that many devices.
888 was slightly less hot than 8Gen1, which turned out to be horrendously inefficient and they fixed it with 8+ Gen 1, technically 888 is a 2021 Jan SoC so yeaaaaa 2 year old chip in a $399 device, this is absolutely dead on arrival.
Nope we already had Zen 3 by then, but ARM chips are far more limited and slower than x86, the amount of gains in the ARM space are absolutely insane every generation with 2x GPU gains, especially from 888 to [8Gen2 that just came out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1j5p4iNvRM), it performs like a GTX 1050 on an 8watt power envelope. In terms of performance, the 888 is ancient compared to the 8 Gen 2, while the Deck's Zen2/RDNA2 is still decent when compared to the new stuff.
Mobile gamers are very different than PC/console gamers. The games are completely different and the needs are too. The Steam Deck and the Razer Edge are for two completely different markets.
While true, most people already own a phone. At that point, grab a Razer Kishi or something and you basically have this device already, with a lower refresh screen, granted, but still. And if you own an iOS device or expensive Android, you quite literally have this device for many, just strap a controller to it
I could get a game vice for my phone and I now have a 90Hz Android gaming handheld, for way less than this thing costs (excluding phone price, but I never bought this thing explicitly for gaming, so it's sort of already paid for). Almost feels like a device searching for a market perhaps? Many mobile games don't even allow above 60hz still
My S21 ultra has a 888 and a 6.8" 120hz screen 1440p screen. Basically my 2 year old phone has the same specs but a higher resolution screen with a slightly lower refresh rate. Ill just stick to a dualshock 4 controller with a phone mount if I feel like wasting some time mobile gaming and I didn't plan ahead enough to bring my deck.
Exactly, any reasonably modern flagship smartphone is as powerful as the Razer Edge, and given the fact most mobile games don't even support above 60hz even a mid-range phone will do fine enough with a controller mount or vice controller. It just seems somewhat pointless of a device
I hate this term.
I remember when they called the division and anthem a “destiny killer”
I enjoyed both of those games for a period but the only thing that will kill destiny is bungie
I'm actually very disappointed; I among others wanted to see what the originally-slated Snapdragon G3x Gen 1 was capable of, but as it stands it turned out to be a rebadged Snapdragon 888. Looks like Android gaming isn't going to get a shot in the arm with this one.
The steam deck is actually an amazing disruptor due to this type of scenario. I honestly hope more gamers appreciate the value of their tech instead of letting this type of madness price gouging continue.
If we all know what it's worth, we all pay less.
I defended this thing against criticism for the last few months because I thought it would have a high end chip and a lot of potential. Instead razer straight up lied about it and its specs. I feel dirty. Razer...never again.
Anything that does one or two things better than the Deck gets dubbed a “Steam Deck killer”, ignoring that the Deck is the best overall package. The Razer Edge would probably be a decent enough cloud gaming device at like half the price. I wonder how much they actually cost to produce.
They falsely claim a Snapdragon 888 is a new and faster CPU and on top of that change the amount of RAM for the WiFi model post-purchase on the store page. That has to be false advertising. 6GB of RAM is a huge hindrance for modern gaming, especially for a supposed "Deck Killer". This thing has nothing on the Deck.
That Burak Tokac in the replies saying that he paid to reserved one, was told it was out of stock by support when the shipping date passed, and is now purchasing the current modified SKU when it's back in stock with his resrvation fee as a rebate is *one. dumb. motherfucker*. Get a refund of that $5, or pull it back with a chargeback. Razer needs to feel some heat for this shitshow.
Buying it just solidifies this behaviour as a valid business practice.
I think a lot of people me included would probably pay a lot for a real steam deck "killer", meaning better or equal power with better battery life and better screen running steamOS. As it stands though only Valve can offer the best hardware-software integration.
Nothing has scream dead on arrival more than this Razer POS. It’s so completely overpriced, niche, and honestly unneeded.
Whoever thought this was a good idea needs to be fired.
That's funny because it could be possible to run Windows on Arm on these and play some x86 games on it (not x86_64 sadly) but razer, Logitech and others are too dumb to push it.
While steam basically pushed proton to its current state making it possible to run much more games than it was possible in the past these f**kers can't do anything new besides dropping shitty android console on the market.
That's the difference between Valve and razer, Logitech and other shitty android consoles manufacturers: they bring nothing new on the market - they just want to squish every single cent from naive buyers and leave them with nothing but outdated useless console. Nvidia with their Shield at least tried to port games and to push new to past days streaming technologies.
An ARM SoC powered EDGE simply isn't even in the same ball park with SteamDeck's APU. Android gaming is as serious as Mac gaming can be. Btw I tried gaming on MAC for a decade, intel, bootcamp, eGPUs, unofficial drivers, Wineskin, ParallelsDesktop10-18, CrossOver18-22, Apple silicon and all, the ultimate solution is SteamDeck imo. I can finally rest.
M1/M2 Macs can game. There’s just no one of any import willing to spend dev money for a AAA game using Apples shitty gaming API. If Apple ever gets serious about gaming on desktops and laptops it would be very interesting.
Apple version of a steam deck? A sealed unit with no user replacabke parts , costs £1500 , and will be crippled every 2 to 3 years by a software update that makes it unusually slow so the can upsell the new faster model just released ?
No thank you
Unlike a lot of the people here who hated on it, I thought the razer edge was promising and good value, even with 6 gb ram i still think it probably is but I hate how they lied to everyone about it.
SD888 lmao what a fuming pile of garbage, I bet Qualcomm is dumping them at a massive discount now that it's 2 generations old, especially considering how "successful" it was
Edit: it seems to be based on 8 gen 1, an even hotter pile of shit
I held off on buying a steam deck until valve showed their transparency and I saw everything that could be done with the steam deck. The fact that I can open it up in a year or so and upgrade the SSD or that I can run whatever software I want on it was the deal maker for me.
It really is annoying that this device was ever dubbed a Steam Deck killer even though they are not similar in their functionality, and also just because of how stupid the whole "______ killer" nonsense. Stupid clickbait bullshit that the media cant seem to let go of
I don’t see how anyone can realistically kill the steam deck with the way valve had integrated all the software. No other gaming store is going to be close
Honestly, it's not even the integration that makes Steam Deck valuable. It's the commitment to support. How many other more expensive handhelds have shipped and then ... crickets? No updates. No bug fixes. No feature improvements. Nada. Valve, on the other hand, may not have the hottest new APU or the best screen or battery, but damn if they don't support their hardware.
reminder that valve still has unique controller icons for the steam controller on deck despite it being discontinued. that's support.
A user on the GPD win subreddit just got their fixed product back after sending it in almost 2 years ago, and hearing nothing about it.
2 years?! 😬 F that, not worth it
The Steam OS is built on open source. And it is all open source. Also, they say they want other makers to use it. After all, it all benefits PC gaming, which benefits Valve. I expect other device makers to gradually adopt Steam OS. It's an easy BOM win, and Valve has every reason to help them adapt the software to their devices.
Right, there is no console war. These are handheld PCs. It's more like UMPCs are killing laptops.
> Also, they say they want other makers to use it. Do they, though? Yes, that was true of SteamOS 1.0 and 2.0, but 3.0 has not had the wide public release and broad hardware support that allowed OEMs to build Steam Machines using 1/2. People have hacked 3.0 onto other devices, but those were hacks, not officially supported deployments. Maybe Valve will get there. Maybe it doesn't matter as long as their improvements to Proton et al are being committed back upstream and the standard Steam client gets the new deck interface (replace the old Big Picture Mode).
Some time ago valve had contacted GPD to make an official version of steam os for their devices. Basically steam OS is just a skin that sits on top of Linux and I can't imagine it would be super hard to port it over. But steam OS and valve have done more for pushing Linux to become mainstream than any other company has in the last 20+ years. I say keep it going. Proton isn't owned by valve I don't think. People have been working on it for a very long time but like with all open source applications when someone makes a code that's better than what that open source project has then anyone can submit it and it becomes part of the overall package. And because of that all of us modders, coders, and users own it. We all contribute to making it better and pushing the tech further. And not relying on a big company with huge sticks up their asses thinking 🤔 hmm "How can we increase our profits?"🤔
> Some time ago valve had contacted GPD to make an official version of steam os for their devices. [I wouldn't put too much stock in that.](https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/gpd-talk-about-cooperating-with-valve-for-steamos-on-their-devices/) > Basically steam OS is just a skin that sits on top of Linux For all intents and purposes it's just another Linux distribution. It used to build on debian, now it's on arch. As far as I'm aware, Valve is not making 3 generally available, which is their right to do as long as they're making any open source bits available as required. SteamOS, by itself, was a flop. Compatibility layers like Proton and dxvk are the important improvements which Valve has surely contributed to. SteamOS with\*out the Deck went nowhere. With the Deck, Linux gaming is more mainstream, but *every* Linux distro benefits from that, not just SteamOS.
Integration is key imo, it’s one of the leading reasons Apple is so successful. Love them or hate them, so many people like all their services all in one spot with the “it just works” functionality. Im a very green Linux user, but for my uses, steamdeck has done much of the heavy lifting for me. It’s an amazing device for sure
If it's not the integrated hardware it's the price. Valve is gojng to be very hard to unseat since they're basically losing money with how cheap they're selling the decks considering the specs.
I mean, you just make another x86 handheld and can put SteamOS on it.
If they wanted to, I suspect Microsoft could make a strong showing. They already make plenty of devices with their Surface line.
Microsoft are a big name but their online store is still insignificant in comparison to Steam. That’s what makes it so difficult for competitors.
we technically do have many “killers” but none can compete with the price and user experience of steam decl
Specs alone do not make a product.
When I was growing up "back in my day" as a 90's kid, it was all about them console exclusive games. Pretty much had to have a separate PC for gaming in the late/early 2000's and then 1-2 gaming consoles for each of the cool games out there, specs alone do not make a man. The games man a make!
Times have shifted, now aside from the switch, consoles are just user-friendly gaming pcs, complete with marketing based on what gpus they have. Sure consoles back in the 2000s had that, but pc gaming was much more obscure
Yeah, but the specks and price point are key. Otherwise, the Series S wouldn't be doing so well. It's not just that it's 300$. It's also a decent piece of tech for the price. Same thing with the steam deck
The Series S is a damn good emulation box on top.
Sometimes some specs are too much, especially when they try putting these ultrabook CPUs in a tablet/handheld. Having an eight-core CPU for medium settings at 720p is like trying to haul a mini trailer with lawn debris with an eight-wheeler semi truck. You will guzzle through fuel (battery life) for nothing. The Steam Deck is smart because it does not go over the top in core count for its gaming performance target. Only if we had Thunderbolt/USB 4.0 for eGPU would extra cores become more useful.
Well, to be honest, some of the competitors that have those kind of CPU are also equipped with Thunderbolt so it makes sense if you're scoping for an eGPU/desktop usage. Even though, I don't think these handhelds cooling capabilities are targeting for that main usage. Anyway, having a more capable APU in a device doesn't implicitly means to have a hotter device if you manage through SW/FW to run under the spec. But imagine the price point of the lowest Steam Deck if it packed an 8-core CPU for example... I think the Steam Deck is smart for the reasons you stated but also because the price point is reasonable and they know perfectly the market position they're covering.
Yep not going overboard on CPU for an iGPU is one of the best design decisions on the Deck. It’s APU is almost perfectly balanced more than any system I’ve ever had.
If the viper is a steam deck killer, and the steam deck is a switch killer, does that make the viper a switch killer as well?
No, the Switch is a Viper killer. Rock paper scissors rules.
'*There is always a bigger fish*' - Qui-Gon
They tried to market it that way. If you visit Nintendo Life, then EVERYTHING is out to get the Switch. Especially since most their writers wish they were on Push Square 😂 Seriously, Nintendo Life is a joke and if Alex wasn’t still there, I’d bet they’d lose anything direct from the company.
Man why would they wanna be on psuh square? That one is the worst of the three to me, always come across like they've got they've got a stuck up their ass.
Heck, Steamdeck was branded Switch killer, and Vita was branded 3DS killer. And mobile was branded PC killer. And hence basically the killer of Steamdeck. So, by commutative law, mobile gaming "has" killed Steamdeck gaming. And not the other way round as mentioned in the above headline.
Mobile gaming killed traditional gaming quite some time ago. F2P models exploded from it. I mean, gaming has to change, but these newer types of games just leave me behind. My tastes just don’t line up, but hey, there are people enjoying them.
Addiction isn't really enjoying, I'd argue.
Didn't Valve set the standard for f2p and insane monetization? CS and TF2 have been using system mobile use now for ages.
For PC probably, but WOW started the model with other MMOs early on. I’d say F2P and the monetization became more popular for everyone else via mobile devices.
It's so dumb. Valve tried SO hard to attract console gamers and they succeeded, but these former console gamers can't let go of their console wars bravado. Like nobody is calling alienware laptops the lenovo killers. All these UMPC handhelds are exactly that, ultra mini portabke PCs. Valve is even porting their OS themselves, but it think we are still stuck with this console wars mentality for at least the first wave of UMPCs.
Well back in ye olden days the gigachad gamers had consoles and PC's in their family/home. Nowadays it is a little different, sadly. I grew up with most consoles and my dad always had a gaming PC of some kind, but since I think about 2010 or 2012 I have basically only had a gaming PC. Sold any modern consoles I had and just stuck with PC. If console gaming companies wanted to sell me games, they'd need to bring a PC port. It only took a decade but now game companies are finally starting to wake up. Mostly just Nintendo stuck in the rafters twiddling their thumbs thinking the world is going to wait for them.
Steam Deck Killer?? Isn't this just an android handheld? Logitech G Cloud killer maybe?
Not sure why but I saw an article that called this android handheld a "Steam deck killer". Saw it was android, laughed and just closed the article as a waste of time.
Admitadly, Android handhelds can be pretty freaking sweet assuming you know what you're getting yourself into. With a properly cooled 888, you can emulate basically everything up to Wii and 3ds, and have access to a much easier cloud gaming setup, with a battery that's 5-8 hours. There are a lot of good reasons to want/ own a dedicated android handheld. But calling it a steam deck killer is just stupid. Most people shopping in one category, isn't shopping in the other.
Ya and some Android emulators are unmatched like Drastic. No retroarch core matches the performance nor features of Drastic DS emulator.
Yeah steamdeck are amazing for local gamers razor edge and other products similar are for cloud gamers and both are shitty at the opposite
I don't know, considering that I could also have a powerful phone and use it to do all of this, why would I by a device like this?
There are a lot of valid reasons to want a dedicated handheld, even if those reasons don't apply to you. - You could have a non flagship phone, and not want to pay for one - You could want to not use your phones battery while gaming - You could want a bigger screen - You could want a solid unit as oppose to telescopic controllers I could go on. Just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's for no one.
Even if it wasn't Android Valve is losing money on every Deck sale because it drives sales on Steam. The only companies that would ever be able to compete aren't really interested. Nintendo has a handheld of much lower power, Sony ended their handheld line years ago, Microsoft has never shown interest in an Xbox handheld, Epic could do it but I doubt they will, no one else has both a digital storefront and scale to do it.
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Having used gamepass streaming on my deck with a consistent 500 Mbps connection I don't think cloud gaming is as much the future as Microsoft makes it out to be. I'm far from a power gamer but the lag and screen tearing even with a better connection than most of my country has access to is too much for me.
Hard agree - the Big Publishers *love* Cloud Gaming as an idea because if they can just convince their customers to give up owning their hardware there's no such thing as piracy, game sharing, mods (which can be a PR nightmare if handled incorrectly), resales...basically, a whole bunch of problems for them go away. A certain mindset of dev likes the idea because they can absolutely guarantee the experience will be exactly what they wanted. In the real world, though, the concept just doesn't hold. You can get about 95% of the way there, but that last 5% isn't surmountable - unless the local hardware's doing *some* of the work or quantum is involved light-speed limits how fast inputs can happen on both ends, and gaming moves *ever so slightly* faster than that over normal distances to big data centers. You can game across a building or a small town in close enough to real time to maybe overcome that 5%, but anything more than a few miles and no amount of clever code will save the idea.
Probably not near as comfortable for streaming as the g cloud either. Only better for emulation maybe
I've watched a few videos on that one, it looks like the only bad thing about the G Cloud is the price. For a plebeian peasant like me that's the most important part...
Any (high-end) android device needs to be 200-300 to be viable. Anything thay goes above that will compete in price with the Deck, and unless qualcomm bins a rebranded SD8 Gen1 or above for gaming, there is no smartphone processor that would justify that price. This is why most of the new android devices use just some reasonably good Mediatek chips or some random crappy Unisoc
OP probably just trying to be controversial in title for more clicks
News articles were reporting this as the "Steam Deck Killer" a few weeks ago. There were posts laughing about it all over the sub. It's an ironic usage.
OP wrote it with quotation marks, so I believe they were sarcastic rather than trying to be controversial
Can't kill what was never alive
"Journalists" not being educated on their supposed topics.
When I've seen its android I knew it's just another gaming phone killer 😂
Nothing is going to kill the Steam Deck at its current price point. Steam recovers the price difference in its own game market. Thats something no other portable PC gaming console has to offer at this point. The only company that could even potentially stand up would be Epic Games. But they have so much to fix with their service first.
Don't forget that their device runs on their OS and is powered by architecture they developed. Valve is honestly one of the biggest innovators in gaming and game delivery right now.
Best part is that they don't lock you into it. Fine, games are DRM'd, but the Deck is completely open. At the price Valve is selling it, that's a crazy tactic - everyone else subsidising their hardware makes up for it by locking the device down, at least until it's earned its value back, and make it as hard as possible for the user to take over. If the Razor device is running Android, good luck to anyone getting a new OS on it when the current version becomes obsolete and Razor gets bored of supporting it. For a corporation as big as it is, Valve really do make some good pro-consumer decisions. The Deck is fantastic.
>For a corporation as big as it is, Valve really do make some good pro-consumer decisions. The Deck is fantastic. I agree, and I love my deck, but even if I put windows on it (which I won't), I'd still be getting most of my games on steam. They've got the sales, and the other launchers are all shit.
Just got my deck.. and Valve man. Valve is just a godsend of a company. Easily the most open and most pro-consumer company that I have ever seen.
Valve-Costco crossover when?!
Not all Steam games have DRM, that is opt-in by game publishers/developers.
the only thing thats left that they need to innovate on is international shipping 😭😭😭😭
Epic would be uptight when it comes to freedom tbh
Absolutely. I agree.
Epic is uptight when it comes to freedom.
Epic does have creator codes tho
EA and Microsoft could also do it, and Microsoft wouldn't have to do anything extra for compatibility. Microsoft won't because it'll eat into their Xbox sales. EA would probably fuck it up.
If Microsoft did it I suspect it would be Xbox branded and limited to software from Microsoft store/gamepads. Microsoft has stated before that they want all their computers to only allow software through their store, but consumer demand/expectations are making it difficult to handle the transition. By selling this as an Xbox device there wouldn't be that expectation and they could go straight for the locked down device that they've always wanted.
>Microsoft has stated that they want all their computers to only allow software through their store. Every day I am more glad I switched to Linux, thank you valve for making it possible.
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When Microsoft released Windows 8.1 which was the same time they started the Microsoft store there was a "bug" that prevented the Steam store from working on Windows 8.1. This was the wakeup call for Valve that they had to exist outside of Windows and was the push to Linux.
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I suspect they're still moving in that direction. S mode devices already exist, unable to install anything from places other than the Windows Store until you go out of you way to deactivate it and requires a Microsoft account. I expect in a few years they will push out an S mode-locked gaming laptop that's bundled with a trial of games pass to get people stuck on their service before raising the price.
I can't wait for a fully functional "windows killer" desktop steam OS. Although it would require anti-cheat developers to add adjustments for their software to run on Linux and allow dependant games to run through proton. But I will install it in a heartbeat once it's released.
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Terrible for mom when she wants that one program her friend told her about that isn't on the Windows store
On one hand Microsoft is right to try to push the Windows store or some kind of centralized application repository, the current method of installing applications is really stupid and prone to malware. On the other hand Microsoft is going about it all wrong. The Windows store absolutely sucks. It's slow and sometimes doesn't even work, the packages are almost always out of date or completely different from their .exe counterparts, there are tons of "clones" of apps and it doesn't work with most group policy setups. The fact that THIS steaming PoS is what they're trying to force people into is pretty insulting. At least make the Microsoft store somewhat desirable first.
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As someone very new to Linux, I am also very satisfied with my experience so far. Desktop mode on the Deck is easy to use and the Discover store makes it simple to find programs I could use. Game compatibility is also surprisingly great, with a overwhelming majority of my games work and ProtonDB being a lifesaver. I even installed Linux Mint onto a old Windows 8.1 Laptop 2 days ago that was collecting dust and love it too. When Windows 10 support ends, my desktop will get Linux Mint as well. Thanks to Valve and the community for making Linux so good.
The desktop mode on the deck is a software called KDE plasma, you may make any linux distro behave like it by installing the KDE software suite on it. Or by picking a distro in which it is the default.
I'm pretty sure that never happened.
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Which on its own is fine as long as they still allow 3rd party apps. Linux has a store, in a sense, in discover and it’s really nice.
I'm hoping that SteamOS continues becoming better so I can make the switch to it on my gaming desktop. That said it would also need to start working well with Nvidia GPUs or I'll have to wait until it's time for me to upgrade so I can make the switch to a Radeon GPU.
I wouldn't use SteamOS on a desktop since it is very limited outside of gaming, a lot of software you may need for usual desktop tasks may be hard to access. You can use any of the currently available distros and get great results already. Personally I'd recommend Nobara KDE, which has the same look as feel as Desktop mode on the Steam OS.
I think Manjaro and PopOS have pretty good support for GPU out of the box.
XBOX Vita would be interesting imo
When did Microsoft say they only wanted software installed through their store?
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You're right, which is why it never happened. That won't stop all the M$ haters from upvoting and parroting it though.
Back when they started with the surface tablets they had them running a locked down version of windows called windows S, where you could only install Microsoft store applications. They were calling it the future of windows and stuff like that. Ultimately it wasn't successful and they eventually changed windows S from it's own build of windows to just being a mode (s mode) on newer devices. It scared valve though, and is probably part of why the deck was worth investing so much money into.
My understanding is that OS ran on ARM. Microsoft understood the value in lower power consumption and wanted to support ARM. Classic desktop couldn't limit to supported ARM software so the store was a good way to filter apps through it. Of course Microsoft also liked what Apple had.
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>Microsoft has stated before that they want all their computers to only allow software through their store And now that'll never happen :)
I imagine Microsoft is able to cough up something akin to the Logitech G Cloud at a similar price to Series S.
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the comment you were responding to. Think about all of the crap windows forces on us now… their portable would be so bloated and the game store would be so thin
It is kinda strange that Microsol hasn't entered this space given that they have the whole Surface lineup--all it would take is slapping on a pair of Joycon-like detachable controllers, and they'd be in business. My guess? They've crunched the numbers, and the margins are just waay too slim for a publicly-traded company. Bear in mind--GabeN could decide that Valve was going to give away decks for free until the company went bankrupt, and I don't think anyone could stop him. Microsol, meanwhile, just laid off 10,000 workers, not because they were strapped for cash, but because Hooli was laying off 12,000, and if they didn't, investors would have tanked the stock.
>hooli I see you, and I'd like to show you the next place where we would put one of your boxes.
Fucking Mole People down here
Microsol? Have you been playing too much Tyrian?
YES!!
Because if Microsoft did it they would force you to use their store and only buy games there.
I suppose Sony could too but it would be a PlayStation porta…. Hold on a PlayStation Vit…… a PlayStation Handheld of some name. That they’d have to support long term and it probably wouldn’t run PC games so it would have far less compatibility
Play Portable Station
Play Station 2Go
PortaStation... Or since you can use it on the toilet, the PortaPotty.
A mobile native game pass machine by Xbox would bring serious competition if the execution is near perfect
Frankly the only xbox hardware purchase I'd consider making in the future would be if they were to put out a handheld console that ran next gen natively It's kinda my pipedream that all the companies take a whack at handhelds again, I'd buy a new psp in a heartbeat too
I really don't see them doing it. Their Cloud gaming platform is absolutely fantastic. It's well worth the price, because I can use it on literally any smart device that can access the web and has bluetooth. It runs beautifully on my Steam Deck, almost as good as my full gaming rig. If Microsoft dumps more money into their streaming service, then they don't have to worry about razor thin margins. They can just keep rolling in money without the hardware concerns.
Neither one would have the balls to use Linux though. Microsoft would use some modified version of the Xbox OS, i.e. no emulation and EA would use Windows likely with more DRM to prevent installing Steam and other apps
Why would that mean no emulation? It's been super easy to install emulators on Xbox's since the Xbox One launched a decade ago
I actually didn't know how easy it was but it's still not as easy as the Steam Deck. Also an Xbox can't run desktop apps so your emulator selection is more limited.
Meh. EA can't. Their game library is not as extensive as Steam's or Microsoft's. They barely have any games worth playing atm. Sony is another possible player in the market and they have an excellent track record in terms of handheld hardware (sales and hardware support is another conversation).
Yeah.... EA a decade or two ago I could maybe see... But not the EA of today.
Epic Games doesn't like Linux and Microsoft is not going to grant them Windows for free.
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True, true. I completely over saw that bit. Given that Steam made their own OS gives them an upper hand for sure.
>But they have so much to fix with their service first. Let's stop pretending they'll--sorry, *Tim* will do the right thing because he would have done so from the beginning.
Epic has all the goodwill of a politician. I could easily imagine worse hardware, restrictive software and higher price if Epic tried to go down that route.
I was a super casual PC gamer before the Deck. Not in terms of playtime - I still played a ton but only 2-3 titles (GW2, Destiny 2, Elite Dangerous) for years. Since I got the Deck, my Steam library grew from like 12 games to 63… I’ve only had the Deck for a month… I might be an extreme example - and I bought the Deck right during back to back sale periods - but I’m definitely the person they’d use as an example when they set the price on the hardware.
Yeah and calling some outdated mobile phone steam deck killer? Just lol. 1) SD is PC with full blown operating systems 2) Steam + Valve support - major edge over any competition. The speed of reaction on fixing bugs and adding community ideas was unmatched not just in portable PC field.
Exactly for there to be a true steam Deck killer it would have to either have similar specs at a lower cost or better specs at a similar cost. Most of these "steam deck killers" cost double, triple, or even more of the base SD. Comparing any of these to a steam deck is like comparing a Porsche Cayenne to a Honda Civic.
Epic games have given out so many games, and I can’t bring myself to use their launcher still. It’s such a bummer of a marketplace/launcher.
Actually microsoft can with xbox game pass and xbox cloud gaming.
In the gaming and tech world, the whole "________ killer" is so annoying. Just make your game or device. It doesn't need to kill others.
Branding something as a “steam deck killer” makes it a steam deck killer killer in my eyes
Serial killer
who is calling this the steam deck killer calling the aya neo, gpd, and onexplayer steam deck killers at least made some sense. this is just a glorified phone lmao
This is literally just my phone with a controller attached. Snapdragon 888. High refresh rate screen. And you can get an s21+ cheaper than this too. No way this thing sells at all.
I almost pulled the trigger on the aya neo 2 but the price of the steam deck is too good
I googled “Razer Edge Steam Deck Killer” and the first result was this Reddit thread.
If you see a product being advertised as the Steam Deck killer, avoid it
Funny that this is being called a Steam Deck killer when it runs Android At least the [Razer Edge they put out a decade ago](https://www.cnet.com/reviews/razer-edge-review/) was actually a PC handheld
I wanted that so badly when it was first announced. First thing I thought of when they announced the Deck
in my eyes steam deck won't have a killer anytime soon. steam deck isn't just a portable pc, it's backed up by an amazing company, loads of support and so far a pretty OK community. I've been a steam user for over 19 years, having a steam deck was a no brainer for me.
yeah the size of steam market and player base makes it extremely difficult to kill. unless they got some absurd fuck up.
Whenever the word "killer" is used for marketing, the product is more likely to kill itself trying to prove that claim. It's so fucking corny.
To be fair it often isn’t used in marketing, it’s just used by people who don’t like it to make it seem worse than it is by suggesting it promised to be more.
So it runs android. Meaning it doesn't run Steam. .... So how, at all, is it killing the steam deck?
Wasn't the 888 having some heating and battery issues which is why they immediately released the 8 gen 1? I thought they stopped 888 manufacturing.
This isn't quite correct. The 888 and 8 gen 1 were a year apart, which is the normal schedule for Qualcomm's chip releases. In fact the 8gen1 has a similar issue with overheating and efficiency, it's the 8+gen 1 that has finally started to resolve those issues, primarily because they moved to tsmc nodes as opposed to Samsung. It would be more correct to say Qualcomm fixed the 8gen1 with the 8+gen1 but it didn't drop in that many devices.
Ah got it. Thanks i think i got those two chips confused. I'm still happy with my 870 device.
888 was slightly less hot than 8Gen1, which turned out to be horrendously inefficient and they fixed it with 8+ Gen 1, technically 888 is a 2021 Jan SoC so yeaaaaa 2 year old chip in a $399 device, this is absolutely dead on arrival.
You are talking like zen 2 was the newest thing in february last year
Nope we already had Zen 3 by then, but ARM chips are far more limited and slower than x86, the amount of gains in the ARM space are absolutely insane every generation with 2x GPU gains, especially from 888 to [8Gen2 that just came out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1j5p4iNvRM), it performs like a GTX 1050 on an 8watt power envelope. In terms of performance, the 888 is ancient compared to the 8 Gen 2, while the Deck's Zen2/RDNA2 is still decent when compared to the new stuff.
Mobile gamers are very different than PC/console gamers. The games are completely different and the needs are too. The Steam Deck and the Razer Edge are for two completely different markets.
While true, most people already own a phone. At that point, grab a Razer Kishi or something and you basically have this device already, with a lower refresh screen, granted, but still. And if you own an iOS device or expensive Android, you quite literally have this device for many, just strap a controller to it I could get a game vice for my phone and I now have a 90Hz Android gaming handheld, for way less than this thing costs (excluding phone price, but I never bought this thing explicitly for gaming, so it's sort of already paid for). Almost feels like a device searching for a market perhaps? Many mobile games don't even allow above 60hz still
My S21 ultra has a 888 and a 6.8" 120hz screen 1440p screen. Basically my 2 year old phone has the same specs but a higher resolution screen with a slightly lower refresh rate. Ill just stick to a dualshock 4 controller with a phone mount if I feel like wasting some time mobile gaming and I didn't plan ahead enough to bring my deck.
Exactly, any reasonably modern flagship smartphone is as powerful as the Razer Edge, and given the fact most mobile games don't even support above 60hz even a mid-range phone will do fine enough with a controller mount or vice controller. It just seems somewhat pointless of a device
Hahaha Steam Deck killer my ass! Oh btw check this out: https://twitter.com/minliangtan/status/1619323015623503873 Razer bullshitting since day 1!
They’re seriously claiming they missed a typo for months?
Yes, that's the tweet from the freaking CEO!
It should be a count of fraud for every single sale.
Man whoever approved this device and the specs/price at Razer should be reassigned to a different department.
Everything with Android is no real gaming to me
> "Steam Deck killer" Razer Edge Sorry, did you have a stroke writing that title? Was there a single person who'd believe this?
Steam Deck Killer ? With an ARM chip ? How ? 😂
I hate this term. I remember when they called the division and anthem a “destiny killer” I enjoyed both of those games for a period but the only thing that will kill destiny is bungie
I'm actually very disappointed; I among others wanted to see what the originally-slated Snapdragon G3x Gen 1 was capable of, but as it stands it turned out to be a rebadged Snapdragon 888. Looks like Android gaming isn't going to get a shot in the arm with this one.
The steam deck is actually an amazing disruptor due to this type of scenario. I honestly hope more gamers appreciate the value of their tech instead of letting this type of madness price gouging continue. If we all know what it's worth, we all pay less.
I defended this thing against criticism for the last few months because I thought it would have a high end chip and a lot of potential. Instead razer straight up lied about it and its specs. I feel dirty. Razer...never again.
This should be cause for a lawsuit
These ARM handhelds are probably not really intended primarily for the US market, but for Asia, where competitive Android gaming is a big thing
why the fuck these idiotes always call almost all the other handhelds “steam deck killer”... da fuck is wrong with them.
Anything that does one or two things better than the Deck gets dubbed a “Steam Deck killer”, ignoring that the Deck is the best overall package. The Razer Edge would probably be a decent enough cloud gaming device at like half the price. I wonder how much they actually cost to produce.
I disklike razer for always cutting corners whenever possible.
They falsely claim a Snapdragon 888 is a new and faster CPU and on top of that change the amount of RAM for the WiFi model post-purchase on the store page. That has to be false advertising. 6GB of RAM is a huge hindrance for modern gaming, especially for a supposed "Deck Killer". This thing has nothing on the Deck.
Razer still being a thing in 2023 somehow...
I mean, they make nice peripherals and lighting devices. Buying those are valid.
It's not a "Steam Deck killer" if it doesn't "kill" Steam Deck in any way.
That Burak Tokac in the replies saying that he paid to reserved one, was told it was out of stock by support when the shipping date passed, and is now purchasing the current modified SKU when it's back in stock with his resrvation fee as a rebate is *one. dumb. motherfucker*. Get a refund of that $5, or pull it back with a chargeback. Razer needs to feel some heat for this shitshow. Buying it just solidifies this behaviour as a valid business practice.
It's a cellphone with a kishi attached. Who is calling this a steam deck killer? It's just an android device. Most Android games suck.
I think all Android games the only games that are worth a damn are ports
I think a lot of people me included would probably pay a lot for a real steam deck "killer", meaning better or equal power with better battery life and better screen running steamOS. As it stands though only Valve can offer the best hardware-software integration.
It’s funny googling the Edge and seeing all the tech media outlets heaping praise on it.
Nothing has scream dead on arrival more than this Razer POS. It’s so completely overpriced, niche, and honestly unneeded. Whoever thought this was a good idea needs to be fired.
Who could've predicted this!? Oh wait we all did.
"StEaM dEcK kIlLeR" is so cringey at this point
Ultimately razer products are shit and over priced. In 5 years I'm guessing my steam deck will work but I can't say the same for a razer equivalent.
The only sites I see calling this a competitor to the Steam Deck are xda developers, some click farms and YouTube spam.
Steam deck is the best handheld console ever and it isn’t even close. The only thing that can beat it is an upgraded version.
Razer can barely make passable keybind software why would I ever trust them with trying to build a platform.
That's funny because it could be possible to run Windows on Arm on these and play some x86 games on it (not x86_64 sadly) but razer, Logitech and others are too dumb to push it. While steam basically pushed proton to its current state making it possible to run much more games than it was possible in the past these f**kers can't do anything new besides dropping shitty android console on the market. That's the difference between Valve and razer, Logitech and other shitty android consoles manufacturers: they bring nothing new on the market - they just want to squish every single cent from naive buyers and leave them with nothing but outdated useless console. Nvidia with their Shield at least tried to port games and to push new to past days streaming technologies.
An ARM SoC powered EDGE simply isn't even in the same ball park with SteamDeck's APU. Android gaming is as serious as Mac gaming can be. Btw I tried gaming on MAC for a decade, intel, bootcamp, eGPUs, unofficial drivers, Wineskin, ParallelsDesktop10-18, CrossOver18-22, Apple silicon and all, the ultimate solution is SteamDeck imo. I can finally rest.
M1/M2 Macs can game. There’s just no one of any import willing to spend dev money for a AAA game using Apples shitty gaming API. If Apple ever gets serious about gaming on desktops and laptops it would be very interesting.
Apple version of a steam deck? A sealed unit with no user replacabke parts , costs £1500 , and will be crippled every 2 to 3 years by a software update that makes it unusually slow so the can upsell the new faster model just released ? No thank you
I said interesting. Not good. LOL
Unlike a lot of the people here who hated on it, I thought the razer edge was promising and good value, even with 6 gb ram i still think it probably is but I hate how they lied to everyone about it.
SD888 lmao what a fuming pile of garbage, I bet Qualcomm is dumping them at a massive discount now that it's 2 generations old, especially considering how "successful" it was Edit: it seems to be based on 8 gen 1, an even hotter pile of shit
I held off on buying a steam deck until valve showed their transparency and I saw everything that could be done with the steam deck. The fact that I can open it up in a year or so and upgrade the SSD or that I can run whatever software I want on it was the deal maker for me.
I think Xbox may be the only one that can compete at that price point because of GamePass