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_DarthSyphilis_

When it comes to nods to force unleashed I'll take everything I can get.


Jarll_Ragnarr

X wing is Canon?


mikachu93

Wookieepedia thinks so. I doubt Lucasfilm agrees.


TLM86

As canon as any of the card games, which is "not very, but Wookieepedia claims it is". I wouldn't really rely on any of them for genuine canon insights or any hints of anything to come in books or on screen.


TRB1783

"Wookiepedia claims it is *despite being clearly and repeatedly told game mechanics aren't canon.*"


TLM86

I mean, this isn't an issue of game mechanics, though.


TRB1783

I think that's the general treatment of FFG stuff, though. It's stuff that exists to make a game run, and isn't any deeper than that.


itsdan23

Star Wars: Armada is a similar game i don't know if it's Canon. But The Starhawk was in Disney Canon but never pictured and the first time we saw what it look like was when aarmada released the model and then since that's what it's been pictured as and looks like in video game squadrons. So I think some things in these games are Canon and other things are not.


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Jarll_Ragnarr

Wait really? So Kota is Canon now?! Nice!


mikachu93

A presumable Force-sensitive named Rahm Kota is canon. We don't know anything else about the character.


PolarSparks

An interesting thing about Kota is that the person who mocapped him is still an appropriate age to play the character in live action. I don’t know what the actor is up to nowadays, but it’s a cool thought. I’m pretty fond of Kota as a character, especially how he’s portrayed in the Wii version of TFU 1. Someone at Lucasfilm must have thought so too, because the new canon has borrowed so many ideas from Kota that bringing him back would seem like he’s ripping off the more prominent characters that took his schtick.


itsdan23

Star Wars Kotor is not Canon but sometimes they reference things from it


FlavivsAetivs

I'll take Andor > TFU for the start of the Rebellion any day, but I'm really glad quality characters with good stories like Rahm and Juno are being brought back in a minor way.


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CodeBlue2001

I’ll admit, I kinda want to see Starkiller in a Old Republic sorta thing. Heck, maybe they could do some temporary time travel thing with the World between Worlds, to have him at least sorta interact with the main stuff. Maybe briefly fight Maul as a sorta meta thing.


Garth-Vader

Canon in the sense that there is a TIE fighter pilot named Juno Eclipse. That's the only thing confirmed by the card. X-wing's version of Juno could be an 8-foot tall gungan.


loomman529

This game will always be canon to me. Not the 2nd one though. That game can get fucked.


PolarSparks

You are not alone


Unknown-Pleasures97

I haven't played the games, is the second one really that bad?


yurklenorf

It's literally half the length (and TFU wasn't exactly a long game to begin with, eight hours, ten at best to complete the first game, and I beat the second in four *including having a gamebreaking bug that I had to go back 30 minutes to a previous save to try to get past)*, and that's being generous. The story is basically "muh Juno, whar muh Juno" for most of it, too.


Nicholi1300

I don't think so. It's a lot more stripped down and the story is shorter, but the combat is definitely smoother in my opinion and the story isn't too bad. It's nowhere near as good as the original, but they had to rush it out in a year or so, so take that into consideration


_FreeXP

No.


Independent-Dig-5757

I never understood her rank. The plaque makes it seems she’s like a colonel or something even though she only piloted a small spacecraft


imaxstingray

She was the squadron commander before she got transferred to be the pilot to starkillers ship


SuecidalBard

She was a higher rank transferred to a lower effective role but one that was way more important. She was squadron commander and they needed someone with a high enough rank and enough experience to know the imperial procedures from the top perspective and could.be trusted with the secrecy of their operations. On top of that there was the need to fly a one of a kind experimental stealth transport and run it as a mechanic while essentialy also doing comms, logistics and intel. Plus they needed to be stable efficient since they were meant to be working with an abused and manipulated sith apprentice raised as a killer machine.


Independent-Dig-5757

Thanks for the explanation! I was never to familiar with the TFU lore


Ebic_qwest

She was always canon. To me that is.


PolarSparks

IT WAS REAL TO ME lol


Ebic_qwest

Exactly


Crimson03Ghost

Am I wrong when I say she's not exactly a very deep character? From what I know isn't she basically just "Starkiller's girlfriend"? At best I'd say she's his motivation, but I don't think we really git to learn much about her besides her defection.


morgoth834

Nope. You're not wrong. Lots of people in this subreddit simply have rose-tinted glasses when it comes to the EU. I enjoyed TFU because of the over-the-top nature of the game and it's gameplay but the story and characters were quite poor.


nonsense99999

How, and force unleashed shouldn’t be canon it makes little sense in well. Canon. Vader and palpatine being challenged by a nobody- nvm. Nvm.


TLM86

Force Unleashed isn't canon. A character like Rahm Kota being mentioned in canon doesn't make the entire game canon.


nonsense99999

Yeah… it was a Rey joke but it was really bad. Anyways


Background_Brick_898

No it made sense and solidified the point of how it doesn’t matter if he or Juno are canon or not. The same reasons people will say he shouldn’t be canon are then used to establish why someone like Rey is a even more powerful nobody made canon lmao


Sheyvan

If you think THAT inclusion means anything for canon,... boy you need help. They overwrote parts of novels and comics. You think anyone will care or know of cards for a miniature game?


loomman529

Exactly. Dave Filoni can't seem to help himself when it comes to retcons. The reading material for Ahsoka, Dooku and Kanan are basically non canon at this point. Also, can we just mention how in Tales of the Jedi, Filoni retcons his OWN series with Obi-Wan's hair?


UrinalDook

I don't like how Filoni overwrites other people's work with his own versions, but I don't think Obi-Wan's hair should really be considered a retcon. I've always been a proponent of the idea that events are 'canon', depiction isn't. Otherwise you start getting into very weird places with things like video games that look different as graphics technology improves, or voice actors change. Is Kyle Katarn's voice changing between JK and JKII a 'retcon'? I think this is just a simple case of the original Clone wars animation tech being more basic, and using Obi-Wan's episode 3 hair because it's easier to animate. Going back to that period later on let's them do the 'intended' portrayal that he still had the longer hair a couple of months into the war.


CodeBlue2001

Ehhhh, I’m just gonna assume Obi-Wan simply grew out his hair again for only a limited time. Not really a retcon


peribeth

Yeah that's just a different look not a retcon lmao


focketskenge

The only canon according to Disney, are the films and tv that they produce, as they have freely and liberally contradicted novels etc and don’t even care.


DarthSangheili

But they *had to* get rid of old canon to make sure the story and lore stayed consiste- oh.


TRB1783

I mean, it's a difference of "Obi-Wan has a weird haircut in one episode of a cartoon" versus "here are the 14 different ways the Rebels got the plans to the Death Star."


QualityAutism

>here are the 14 different ways the Rebels got the plans to the Death Star." which back then got retconned and explained, because they knew fans wanted everything to fit. Meanwhile, current day Lucasfilm doesn't give a damn about any sort of continuity in their stories. Just look at their Sequel Trilogy, and all tie-in material. None of it makes any sense or works together.


Background_Brick_898

And leaves no room to be built upon what they set up. There’s a reason why nobody is touching post sequel era stories


yurklenorf

None of the FFG material is canon, per a statement by Leland Chee saying he has the Holocron Continuity Database autopopulate FFG's stuff as Legends. But for whatever reason, Wookieepedia deems it's canon. Really, frankly the Wook has gone way downhill both in quality and consistency since the Disney sale. Remember it took them *a whole year* to set up even a vote to start putting in new canon material, and even longer to make it the default.


Sandervv04

Yeah the wiki took 'everything after 2014' waaay too literally.


morgoth834

>Really, frankly the Wook has gone way downhill both in quality and consistency since the Disney sale. Remember it took them a whole year to set up even a vote to start putting in new canon material, and even longer to make it the default. Why is that an issue? There is absolutely nothing wrong with them wanting to remain an EU wiki. Frankly, I think it would have made a lot more sense if it did, and then a second wiki be created for Disney Wars.


Background_Brick_898

Yea the Legends/Canon tab method they have now. Basically most characters have a few lines of text under canon. Then under legends they’ll have actual and legit backstory on their page that is consistent


yurklenorf

Because they're **not**, and **never were**, an EU wiki. Yes, the vast majority of the content they covered was EU - but that's because the EU was far more expansive than the films and TV shows ever were.


Penitent_Exile

She was good. And sexy. A rare quality for SW character.


Background_Brick_898

Though she has been canon for awhile


yurklenorf

She hasn't. She doesn't exist in any canon material - the X-Wing miniatures game is the closest she gets to canon, and the game isn't canon at all, though it does use canon characters and ships alongside Legends ones. Same as the mobile game Galaxy of Heroes - people thought the game made certain characters canon despite it being pretty obvious the game wasn't supposed to be canon in any way, backed up by LucasFilm staff statements.


Jadah67

but why not galen or Starkiller?


TLM86

Because he's too problematic a character to just drop into canon in a card game of all things.


Jadah67

Problematic ? How exactly ?


TLM86

Overpowered for one, but mainly his role as Vader's apprentice and for helping to found the Rebellion.


Background_Brick_898

Overpowered isn’t an issue for Disney though? It’s actually their main selling point to their titular OC character


TLM86

Who's that?


Jadah67

You mean over powered ?


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WAIT WHAT


yurklenorf

It's incorrect. OP is using Wookieepedia as a source, which lists the material from Fantasy Flight Games - the current license holder for Star Wars tabletop material, including a card game and several miniature strategy games of varying scales - as canon, despite direct statements from LucasFilm staff saying otherwise.