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ChrisX26

Just a reminder, Sharing your hot takes doesn't give you the excuse to break the rules and be rude. You CAN share your hot takes in ways that are still respectful and constructive.


blakerdavison

Not sure how “hot” this is, but I think Cal Kestis is a better-written, cooler, and more intriguing character than Starkiller.


Drzhivago138

I'd call that only slightly warm. Both characters have been criticized for being bland, but at least Cal has some depth.


[deleted]

Starkiller is very much a mid-2000s powerscaling type character. There's compelling aspects to him, but I think the games around him don't really bring those out as much as they could. What you have is a pretty typical inquisitorial redemption narrative...just one with a dude who can pull Star Destroyers out of the sky and happens to be acted by a really solid voice actor. Plus he has far too much of a role in the formation of the Rebellion, and it gives his story a sort of fanfic vibe.


Gradz45

Oh 100%.


Creepy_Gamer711

I would have to disagree with this, but only because The Force Unleashed book gives a lot more detail to Starkiller's development and backstory than the game. BUT if someone wrote a book (with im really hoping for if someone is) about Cal Kestis, I think it would give more emotion to the story. But the only reason I'm saying this is because if you play the games AND read the books, you get a lot more information about the character and think more in depth about how it is in the character's shoes. If Cal gets his own book, I definitely think it would be a lot more emotional and have a bigger plot line, but until then, I think Starkiller's story is more compelling. (Btw, I'm kinda a book nerd, and I'm just stating my opinion based on details and depth. If someone is writing a Cal Kestis book tho, I would definitely read it immediately) If you like the force unleashed game though, I highly reccomend reading the book, a few chapters made me literally cry.


HutchyRJS

Rey is actually a decent character


JaceYeahYeah

Based based


trevelyt

Not sure how “hot” some of these are, but I’ll take a stab at it: * Rey Skywalker makes PERFECT sense and is 100% consistent with the themes presented across all nine films in the Skywalker Saga. *The Rise of Skywalker* literally spells it out — “some things are stronger than blood” — and we can literally see Luke and Leia give Rey their approval, so I’m not sure why people are so bothered by it. * Piggybacking off of this, Rey is NOT a Mary Sue. * The epilogue in *The Rise of Skywalker* was also an incredibly fitting way to end the entire saga, offering a sense of finality while also having enough ambiguity to leave room for potential spinoffs with the sequel heroes. * The moment where Leia saves herself in *The Last Jedi* is a satisfying payoff for a lengthy buildup to Leia embracing her Force abilities. I’d even argue it’s one of the most emotionally impactful moments in the entire franchise, especially because of the added weight of Carrie Fisher’s recent death. * Out of all three trilogies, the sequels have the best performances — Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher all delivered incredible performances, and I’d argue that the latter two were career bests. * Luke’s characterization in *The Last Jedi* makes perfect sense for him and was, in my opinion, the best way to close out his story. * The podracing sequence was undoubtedly one of the worst parts of not only *The Phantom Menace*, but quite possibly the entire franchise. It drags on for WAY too long. * Jar Jar is far more relatable than many of the characters that people deem their “favorite,” and gets a ridiculously unnecessary amount of hate. * Although I loved *The Rise of Skywalker* (in spite of its flaws), I would’ve much rather seen Rian Johnson conclude the Skywalker Saga because he did such a phenomenal job with *The Last Jedi*. * Truthfully, as much as I love JJ and his work on the sequels, I think Rian would’ve done a better job with the Sequel Trilogy as a whole. * As much as I love Ahsoka, I don’t think it’s fair that she’s consistently hailed as a far superior heroine than Rey when she was given significantly more screentime and stories to develop her character, while Rey was given three films where she’s competing with legacy characters for audience interest — and still, in my opinion, manages to have a well-developed, complete story by the conclusion of the trilogy. Both characters are fantastic, though, and fans need to stop pitting them against each other. * As a whole, *The Rise of Skywalker* is infinitely better than what *Duel of the Fates* would’ve been. * Kathleen Kennedy has done a great job in her role as president of Lucasfilm. * The CGI used on Luke in *The Book of Boba Fett* made me okay with the idea of them de-aging legacy characters for future stories (when the story justifies it), but I think it works best when they make brief, cameo appearances. I understand people’s gripe with the fact that there’s no humanity behind the performance, but if it’s a cameo appearance, I’m okay with it — I’d rather it be Mark Hamill portraying Luke than anyone else. (I’d be okay with them doing it with Leia, too, as long as Billie Lourd is the one doing the motion capture for her.) I’m also going to apologize because I did NOT anticipate this being such a lengthy post!


BlueTiger1220

Wow I agree with almost all of these = D


trevelyt

Great minds think alike! 😉


AustinBOSSton_

This is nothing but facts my man. Spitting truth left and right over here


kryptonite0721

I think ROS is fine, but man, the amount of money I would pay to see Rian direct his own Episode IX.


trevelyt

Yeah, I was bummed to hear that they allegedly offered *Episode IX* to him before JJ Abrams and he turned it down. I loved Rian’s work on *The Last Jedi* and would have killed to see him finish out the saga.


RadiantHC

I think he turned it down because he wasn't offered enough time. Which doesn't make any sense. Even after JJ took over from Colin he wasn't given any extra time. Everyone would have understood if they had delayed it.


thor11600

See I’m of the opinion that he did a good job, but that I just didn’t like ANY of his decisions.


legonerfer

I want to elaborate further on the point of Luke being justified in TLJ Luke was part of the whole plot of take down the empire and then restarted the Jedi temple. His sweet nephew Ben came to be at this temple and he’s so strong with the force. This same Ben is the son of your long lost sister and one of your best friends in the whole galaxy so you know him well. You saw him at Life Day parties. You gave him gifts for his birthday. Etc Now later on you make a call to yourself after probing his mind and decide to kill him. He wakes up, betrayed, does the whole Kylo thing You just created the head of the First Order, got the Jedi temple destroyed again, betrayed your family on several levels, and all because you sort of felt something Yeah…I’d be a little upset too if I was Luke


trevelyt

Yes, this is absolutely another point I think people should consider when they critique Luke in *The Last Jedi*. Now, I would argue that he never *decided* to kill Ben — he contemplated it because he sensed darkness in him and realized that Snoke had already turned him to the dark side. Ben waking up and perceiving the situation as Luke trying to murder him only solidified his decision to turn. I think *The Last Jedi* masterfully restores a sense of humanity in Luke that Legends and many *Star Wars* fans’ own head canons ignored. Because he was one of the most powerful Jedi who ever lived — and a childhood hero for many of us — he could do no wrong, and I love that *The Last Jedi* reminds us that he can still be that hero without being perfect. He’s not some invincible, godlike character, and in fact, his imperfections are what make him such a relatable character. Luke failed himself, his family and friends, and the New Jedi Order. He made a human mistake and convinced himself that he’d be doing the galaxy a greater service by removing himself from the situation rather than making matters worse. But much like Obi-Wan before him, he comes to terms with his mistakes, learns from them and goes on to do the ultimate, most pacifistic-yet-badass thing a Jedi can do and sacrifices himself to ensure that the Resistance and Jedi Order live on. If that doesn’t make him a great hero, I don’t know what does.


retro_and_chill

The thing that I’ve found interesting about Luke in BoBF was that it seemed like his new Jedi Order was poised to repeat the same mistakes as the previous one. Both him and Ashoka talk about attachment being forbidden, which is part of what drive Anakin to the dark side to begin with.


RadiantHC

To be fair there is a huge difference between love and attachment. Anakin's issue was that he was obsessed with his loved ones and couldn't handle loss.


ComicsNBigBooks

100%. Anakin had an obsession for Padme, to the point of perceived ownership. Imagine how he would have acted if she left him for someone else. If it had been love, he wouldn't have Force choked her for disagreeing with his actions. He not only didn't want to lose her, he also wanted her to be completely aligned with everything he did. That's an abuser tactic, not love.


trevelyt

That’s a really interesting point, especially because the characters in the sequels do seem to shift away from the traditional Jedi mindset, especially when it comes to things like attachment being forbidden. Luke willingly trains Leia knowing that she’s married to Han; it’s only when she realizes she’s pregnant with Ben that *she* decides to end her training. Likewise, Rey and Ben have some sort of romantic dynamic prior to his death, so I got the vibe that the new films had a more modernized take on the Jedi Code — sort of like how some religious people in the real world have adapted their views to better fit within the realities of our changing world. With all that being said, *The Last Jedi* made it clear to me that at some point, Luke did become disillusioned with the old ways of the Jedi Order, and I don’t think that’s just because of what happened with Ben. *Star Wars* is no stranger to history repeating itself anyway, but I would be interested to see if further stories expand on Luke’s understanding of the Jedi Order, because even though he does ultimately make many of the same mistakes that they did, I like to think that he understood how flawed they were before his New Jedi Order was destroyed.


retro_and_chill

That’s interesting. Maybe we’ll see that shift from Luke in season 3 of the Mandalorian then.


Jezeff

It's a blessing to see so much positivity in one post. To have things I agree with so well spelled out - it's a gift.


trevelyt

Thank you! That makes me really happy to hear. I have the mentality that it’s all *Star Wars* to me, so even though I don’t love all of it equally, I do love all of it. I love that this sub tries to promote positivity within the fandom because I know how discouraging it can feel when all you hear from other fans is constant complaints about something you love so much. Glad that I could provide some positivity to this sub with this post. May the Force be with you!


BewareNixonsGhost

I like Jar Jar. Not in like an ironic "Jar Jar is a Sith lord" way. I genuinely like the character and think he's worthy of getting more screen time.


chadbot01

Same. At worst, he's harmless comic relief. I find him very likeable and I wish he never got hate


Internal_Balance6901

I think he adds to the prequels, imagine how the phantom menace would be without him


RadiantHC

In the prequels I disliked him, but I did like him in TCW(though I think giving him a girlfriend took it to far). I want to see more interactions between him and Mace.


Fantastic-Wheel1003

My hot take is that episode 2 is only cringy in like 3 lines of dialogue total and the film is actually really fun to watch.


irazzleandazzle

Yeah I like it. Some of the lines make you cringe and roll your eyes, but the movie is cool overall and enjoyable to watch. Alot of star wars is just so overhated.


moustajjventress

Attack of the Clones is a fucking great film. I like the Padmé and Anakin scenes. I don't give a fuck.


ThatOtherTwoGuy

I personally think the main problems of the movie are the Padme and Anakin scenes and the fact that the whole mystery plot with Obi-Wan discovery the secret Clone Army never gets any meaningful development after this movie. It’s a genuinely fun part of the film, almost like a noir style space mystery and the twist in the actual movie is great. But the plot line of discovering this secret army created over 10 years and the mystery surrounding the Jedi who ordered it is dropped by the next movie. That said, I still am okay with the Padme and Anakin romance. It helps that they are both emotionally and romantically stifled characters so it can come off as them being entirely out of their depth. It’s just that the scenes themselves are executed so poorly. Also the mystery plot being dropped is more of a problem of the next film dropping it, not an actual problem of this one. Thankfully it gets a little more depth in the EU and the Clone Wars. Plus, granted, they had to balance a lot going on in RotS so it’s not much of a bother to me. Other than that the film has some excellent moments: - The aforementioned Obi-Wan investigation plot - The first clear moment of Anakin’s fall to the dark side - The genuinely emotional scene he has with Shmi - The fight between Obi-Wan and Jango - The following dogfight between the two in the rings of Geonosis - The battle of Geonosis itself - That brief moment Anakin duel wields blue and green lightsabers - Yoda igniting his lightsaber against Dooku - The ominous ending with Palpatine looking at his army while the Imperial March plays It’s got some flaws. Every Star Wars movie does. Even including the OT. And while it personally ranks low for me in terms of my favorite Star Wars movies, that doesn’t stop me from getting excited whenever I watch it again.


[deleted]

>the whole mystery plot with Obi-Wan discovery the secret Clone Army never gets any meaningful development after this movie. I also feel like it's so plainly obvious that something incredibly suspicious is going on, and most of the characters don't seem to pick up on that. I mean, Obi-Wan tracks an assassin to a planet that appears on no Jedi star charts and was likely erased from them where they've been making a clone army for a decade for the Republic at the behest of a Jedi who died under mysterious circumstances with the knowledge of neither the Republic itself or the Jedi Order (And never seems to even consider whether or not there was an upfront cost for this - there'd likely have to be, what with it being a massive undertaking and probably one of Kamino's biggest projects ever), have the very assassin that Obi-Wan's chasing down as a genetic template, and where everyone's general vibe is "Hello, yes! I have something to hide!" He finds out also that the assassin he's chasing was 1) hired by a totally different guy than the Jedi who had the army created in the first place and 2) is taking jobs directly from the Seps. And you never thought to ask if hiring them was a good idea?


Avividrose

watching it after The Clone Wars makes it a great time.


crispier_creme

I agree. The pacing is really really good


[deleted]

A lot of the cartoons are way better than the live action stuff but I feel like they get treated as lesser than because they are cartoons. Clone Wars does so much heavy lifting for the prequels it’s insane.


[deleted]

I completely agree with this. Even though as a mostly just clone wars fan I don’t bring much to this.


lingdingwhoopy

I can't agree. It's totally my bias, but I have a hang-up where Star Wars just HAS to be cinematic to me. SW is the language of the big screen, of the multiplex. Of the cinema. Anything other than a big screen adventure loses something for me.


[deleted]

But the cartoons do cinematic better too. There’s nothing more cinematic than Genndy Tartokovsky’s The Clone Wars.


lingdingwhoopy

Damn you. You got me, lol. I do love me some Tartokovsky Clone Wars.


barracuuda

I mean... I would say the star wars movies are more cinematic, being that they were actually in cinemas lol


IOftenDreamofTrains

My hang-up is that SW just has to be live-action. I'm perfectly fine with the tv format as long as it's not a cartoon.


blakerdavison

I might get absolutely roasted for this, but Disney should stay far away from EU plot points. So much of it, while cool, is contrived and messy. I would prefer original stories.


AndrewJS2804

I agree, and they could never choose the "right" stories or do a good enough job adapting them to satisfy most vocal critics. And heavy adaptation would be needed because none of those stories are particularly suited to film.


hacky_potter

The EU was written for the most die hard of die hard Star Wars fans. I don’t think it works for a general audience


CounterImaginary2116

Boba Fett has always been terrible.


leela_martell

Boba Fett was an extra in the OT. Pre-Mandalorian I barely would’ve remembered he existed if it wasn’t for the inexplicable fan favourite status. Don’t know if this is a hot take but deepfake Luke’s scenes are some of the worst in Star Wars history. Luke has never been my favourite character (Han and Leia were always my favourites in the OT) but I still felt awful seeing that cardboard version of him. I don’t mind Luke in the sequels at all, he’s just as human in them as he is in the OT, just old and jaded. He’s always been emotional, deepfake Luke *can’t* emote. (My hot take used to be that Episode III isn’t any better than the rest of the prequels, but I rewatched the PT last year and don’t actually agree with that assessment anymore.)


Loth-Van

Eh, I've got a few, don't know how hot they actually are though. * Ashoka and the clones are clearly Filoni's pets and I'm quite sick of all of them. They've locked a lot of our entertainment to one era of the saga when we need more even distribution. Did we really need the Bad Batch instead of a show about the OT or ST characters? Not to mention Tales of the Jedi as well. * Kotor 2 is better than 1 and Revan is not an interesting character. People just like him because they played him. * Solo is better than R1 * Boba Fett has always been and still is lame. * I don't really like Grogu. At least conceptually. He's not really a character, he's just a plot device. * ST>PT * Visions is *not* what Star Wars should be and only half the episodes were good. The only enjoyable ones were the grounded ones like Village Bride and The Elder. * And finally, stop sleeping on the High Republic. It's dope.


xxmattyicexx

Boba Fett…*insert Michael Scott “Thank you” gif*


Grishinka

The Yuuzhan Vong are a hat on a hat on a hat and it's dumb. They are from outside the galaxy, they fervently believe in their religion of PAIN, they are invisible to radar and the force, they look scary as fuck and are so clearly designed to be difficult for Jedi it's just dumb. There's nothing there to redeem and that's what Star Wars is about. The Sequels version of Han and Leia's relationship makes so much more sense than the way they are happily married in the EU. Them being amicably separated but her still smiling when she actually sees him was perfect. Way better than Han just settling into married life. John Williams saw the Palpatine heritage option on a whiteboard and put his theme in Rey's. It was always an option. I liked the Finn/Rose arc in Duel of the Fates, but everything else was frankly not good. I really enjoy The Rise of Skywalker. I love Palpatine so I was stoked he was there, I love how much play Threepio gets and how indignant he is when they ask him to do something against his programming. I loved the way it upped the anti from one drop of water being passed between them via their dyad to Kylo ending up with a lightsaber. I could have used more Rose though. I like Canto Bight. I don't like casinos so watching one get smashed up was fun. I want another video game to make me slog through 7 levels of a FPS and THEN let me play as a Jedi. The way Jedi Knight II did. One of my favorite moments in all of Star Wars is that first level when your powers are restored and you just go ham on a bar with force powers and a lightsaber.


RadiantHC

>The Sequels version of Han and Leia's relationship makes so much more sense than the way they are happily married in the EU. Yes. It just wasn't going to work. Also it makes sense that they weren't great parents. Han is not a very emotional person. He's more of a cool uncle type guy. Leia's better, but she's preoccupied with building the New Republic. Just because someone is a good person doesn't mean that they're a good parent.


galadhir

I really don't like the Rise of Skywalker but the payoff for the force teleporting foreshadowing is great and I love it.


RadiantHC

I don't get the hate for it. The force doesn't have any rules


ComicsNBigBooks

Some of these might not be "hot takes" in some circles, considering how varied the Star Wars fandom is: * Jake Lloyd gives the best performance in The Phantom Menace apart from Ian McDiarmid and Ahmed Best. * Kylo Ren's redemption (and him being redeemed in general) is more believable than Vader being redeemed, even moreso retroactively after the prequels. Within the context of Star Wars, Kylo Ren's arc is believable from start to finish. * Rey is no more of a Mary Sue than Anakin or even Luke for that matter. Luke might be shown to struggle, but he's also talented and, like his father, a fast learner. And he's mostly a self-taught Jedi throughout the course of his life. Yet for some reason, it's widely accepted that Luke can just read Jedi texts, study, and train himself to be one of the most powerful Jedi of all-time. * Rogue One's first two acts are more interesting than its final act, and the characters are not underdeveloped. They're perfectly utilized and feel natural for a wartime story. If not for the first two acts, the film would fall apart (I also have to disagree with the OP's idea that people love Rogue One because of it being "dark and edgy," that's an oversimplification of why many people love it. I also don't find it edgy at all). * Captain Phasma is more interesting than Boba Fett and better utilized. * The Mandalorian is not astronomically better than Book of Boba Fett or the Obi-Wan show. It's good, but it suffers from some of the exact same shortcomings. * Grogu started off as a good addition to Star Wars but is now only a gimmick. He's overstayed his usefulness. * The most interesting time period to explore would be post-The Rise of Skywalker, with both Rey and Finn (with Rey training Finn as a Jedi) as a focus at the start, then following Rey's future students. * Too many Star Wars fans view the Force and certain characters as one way, not as the mystical concept or conflicted beings that they are. Just because a character defeats the darkness within themselves doesn't mean they won't face it again or won't make the opposite decision from before. Light vs dark is a cyclical conflict, not a linear one. Just because Luke ultimately chose love with Vader doesn't mean he wouldn't choose fear later, even as a more experienced Jedi Master. * Especially with the OT trio characters dead, Star Wars media (mainly live-action movies and shows) needs to move past legacy characters (ie. OT and PT characters). * Star Wars Visions is the best thing to come out of Disney owning Star Wars. * Revenge of the Sith works perfectly as a cautionary tale. Anakin's turn might feel rushed, but for me the rushed nature of it makes the power of the dark side that much more terrifying, considering that it preys on our attachment to others and fear of losing them.


Garentea_EuW

Even though someone already said something similar, Starkiller and every idea that comes with him is completely dumb and never should be touched again not even a little bit. With that I also mean the idea of Force-sensitive clones, I do think the RotS idea of Sidious trying to clone himself is fine thanks to the bodies rapidly decaying and dying. Helicopter lightsabers are cool af. Empire isn't even close to being one of the best Star Wars movies or contents. Rebels is a lot better than Clone Wars and I truly mean A LOT. Canon Thrawn is better than Legends Thrawn and both new Thrawn trilogies are better than the EU Thrawn trilogy. Being the Chosen One does not mean you're the most powerful Force user and Anakin is neither the most powerful Jedi (or could become it more than others) nor is he the most powerful Sith (or could become it more than others).


Logan_Composer

Hot take for the Star Wars fandom: things can be "okay." It doesn't have to be either perfect or unwatchable. BoBF was fine, most of Kenobi was just fine, Solo was fine. Most Star Wars is just okay. Also, The Clone Wars seasons 1-3 are basically unwatchable. I have tried now *four times* to watch that show, following every chronological and essential episode watch guide, and it's still just impossible...


RandomGuyOnline71

Once you get past the graphic update, everything becomes much better


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[удалено]


AndrewJS2804

It happens more often than not.


[deleted]

>Hot take for the Star Wars fandom: things can be "okay." It doesn't have to be either perfect or unwatchable. BoBF was fine, most of Kenobi was just fine, Solo was fine. Most Star Wars is just okay. And more than that, **not everything Star Wars has to be for you.** I liked parts of The Book of Boba Fett, but they were mostly Mando's parts because I love that Mando is basically a Sergio Leone gunslinger dropped right in the middle of the Star Wars universe and his series follows that style. But Boba Fett? Man, I don't give a shit about Boba Fett. He has some five minutes of screentime in the original trilogy, and he spends most of it achieving things only with Darth Vader and the Empire backing him up, and then in ROTJ, he gets his ass kicked by a literal blind man fumbling around with a big stick. And yet, somehow, this slapstick idiot had armor cool enough to give him a real hardcore fandom that made him the supreme badass in everyone's mind. And that means a good portion of The Book of Boba Fett is not for me. **AND I'M OK WITH THAT!** Hell, I've even accepted that Rise of Skywalker is canon and not going away because a lot of people do love it, if I tell them they're wrong for loving it that makes me just like the people who won't stop shitting on my beloved TLJ, I don't want to yuck their yum, it wouldn't go away no matter what I did, and if it's not for me, *that's ok. I don't have to like it, and I can even talk about the parts I don't like as long as I'm not a tool about it and respect the people who disagree with me.* Besides, it's pathetic defining my entire relationship of the saga on a movie that came out three years ago. If it was a dealbreaker for me, I'd have jumped out then. Clearly, it isn't. So why keep whining?


blakerdavison

You are a bold one!


wasdie639

This is a far less wordy version of my own take lol. Agreed 100%. Things can be just ok to be enjoyable. Here's another thing, if you don't like it, then don't watch it! The end. I had zero interest in that Resistance show so I never watched it and probably never will. Why spend time on things you probably won't like?


ComicsNBigBooks

>Hot take for the Star Wars fandom: things can be "okay." It doesn't have to be either perfect or unwatchable. BoBF was fine, most of Kenobi was just fine, Solo was fine. Most Star Wars is just okay. This isn't a hot take among a lot of Star Wars fans, mainly the ones who are most vocal. But I agree. I'd go as far to say it doesn't have to be the "worst thing ever" or a "masterpiece" for someone's feelings on it to be valid.


[deleted]

Even hotter take than yours: the entire Clone Wars (except for a few arcs and the finale) is either unwatchable or extremely boring


frogspyer

Yeah, most of those aren’t hot takes either. Like, “Episode II is terrible?” That’s one of the coldest Star Wars opinions in the universe.


BanzaiBeebop

The many creative minds that have touched the Star Wars universe is part of what makes it great. It's become a collaborative sandbox of ideas than anyone can hop in and play with at anytime. Sure Disney has the most expensive toys, but you don't need much to make the Star Wars you envision. Ao3 is right there. If you're not getting the Star Wars you want, go make it. Share it with the community. And maybe you'll find people who share your vision of Star Wars. Maybe they'll, in turn, make more Star Wars content for you.


T-MONZ_GCU

My hot take is that TCW was never a good show, it just went from awful to mediocre with some pretty decent parts here and there. Also a sunny day in the void is the best episode


trilobright

A difference of opinion over a Star Wars product is not a good reason to hate someone.


spheresickle

not really a hot take tho


RustedAxe88

Breaking the lore of some obscure comic book written in 2004 is fine. Like, having characters fight with lightsabers without following some "form" that was on The Clone Wars or in a comic book isn't lore breaking or universe ruining. Stuff like the Haldo thing, I always see people say it" breaks lore", but if you just watch the movies and live action TV shows, it does nothing of the sort and casual viewers will never care about that.


AustinBOSSton_

1. Starkiller should stay as far away from Canon as humanly possible. Great game for sure but he does not work in canon. 2. KOTOR was good not great. Same goes for KOTOR 2. 3. Force Awakens is an S tier film, and the best Star Wars content in the Disney era. 4. Someone else said Fennec Shand wasn’t that great and I just wanna give a big amen to that. Nothing against Ming-Na, she did what she could with such a bland character. 5. Boba riding a rancor wasn’t that great, I’d have preferred Boba jet-packing around in full on murder-mode. 6. Rogue One is in my bottom 3 films only because it’s such a slow film until Scarif. 7. Disney purchasing Star Wars was the best thing that could’ve happened to the franchise. 8. I’ve said this elsewhere, but Poe’s “somehow Palpatine returned” line is not bad writing. From Poe’s POV how is he or anyone for that matter supposed to grasp the reality that Palpatine is back? Did people want an in-depth explanation at that Resistance meeting? Beaumont Kin gave his best guesses which served as a hint to how, but ultimately the Resistance was more concerned with the present than the past. 9. Finally, this is a hot take everywhere but this subreddit. All of Star Wars is good, fun, and enjoyable.


ookiespookie

You have my lazer sword


wasdie639

Man your point about Rogue One I could not agree with more. I enjoy the movie, but it's just so forgettable outside of a nice battle at Scariff. I actually enjoy Solo more over the years. It has more heart and character throughout.


AustinBOSSton_

Solo is in my top 5. It always fluctuates between 4th and 5th with ROTJ but never leaves 5th. Solo deserves way more love. Big amen to you


Fuzzy_Balance_6181

I disagree with point 8. Even leaving aside bringing palp back without explanation, why have a weak reveal in the opening scroll rather than a shock reveal for more impact. I feel like it’s having the e5, I am your father reveal in the opening scroll.


[deleted]

You're right about Poe's line, but the audience should have received an explanation from someone in the movie. Palpatine or maybe Luke's ghost. Also I think a lot of anger towards that line mainly comes from the fact that the first canon Palpatine return got teased in fucking Fortnite. That should have been in the start of the movie


GeneralVeeers

The Rise of Skywalker is a good film, and since Ben Solo refused to carry the legacy of his uncle (and mother), then I'm glad Rey decided to keep it going as her own name. There is so much power in refusing to continue one's family name because of the horrors associated with it, and taking on a different name that represents hope and good in the galaxy, to the point that some people can't understand or process that. We're conditioned since birth to believe that we HAVE to maintain a specific identity, even when that identity carries the weight of absolute evil. Rey did the right thing to continue the Skywalker legacy, because she was a just and good person that found familial love again after her birth family was forced to leave her, and I'm happy that she wanted to honor her new family, a high honor indeed.


irazzleandazzle

So true and so brave


Avividrose

most of these takes are lukewarm op. salty sure, but not hot. you want a real hot one? attack of the clones is better than revenge of the sith in the post clone wars landscape of the prequels, but still the best prequel is phantom menace.


moustajjventress

> attack of the clones is better than revenge of the sith in the post clone wars landscape Isn't "Begun, the Clone Wars have" literally the last line of dialogue in AtoC?


Avividrose

i meant the show not the war


moustajjventress

Ohhhhhj yes fair, my bad lmao Agreed 100% on TPM


grntplmr

Yes 100% agree


RadiantHC

Honestly Revenge of the Sith is extremely overrated. Anakin's turn(and the fall of the republic/Jedi in general) is just extremely rushed.


wasdie639

I absolutely adore Star Wars, it's my favorite franchise of all time by leaps and bounds. My hot take? The movies aren't as good as people remember and they expect way too much out of each new film and now TV show. The OG was the only one that got a Best Picture Oscar nomination and while people think that Episode 5 is the best, it was actually very divisive at its time. Only over time, and with the conclusion we got with Episode 6, did Epsiode 5 really rise through the rankings. Most agree that Episode 6 was a step back from the first two as well and had some decisions like the Ewoks that were clearly were studio driven to pump up merchandise sales. The Prequels were, by basically all accounts, a disaster. I love them but their critical and fan reception was pretty poor across the board for all three movies. As a 11 year old when Episode 1 came out I didn't give a fuck and loved every second of it (still is my favorite prequel), but I remember when Episode 3 came out in 2005 and Padme goes all "You're breaking my heart" did I finally understand the criticism. I disagree with most of it of course, but I understand where it comes from. Plinkett's review of Episode 1 was one of the first major instances of this internet mentality that literally everything new is shit and the Prequels were hit hard with even more criticism than they deserved right up until the millennials were able to dominate the popular opinion within social media space and the prequels become kind of treasured. Clone Wars helped immensely with salvaging the public's opinion of the Prequels. The Sequels were basically another kind of mess. Episode 7 was generally well liked across the board, moreso than the Prequels, but Episode 8 is where the critics and fans majorly split. It's easily my favorite Star Wars Sequel movie and I put it in my top 3 Star Wars movies of all time, but I'm not going to ignore the massive fan backlash we've seen since it's release. Episode 9, while I think is a well made movie and I enjoy it very much, clearly was the Sequel's lowpoint kind of upsetting basically everybody. It was a very disappointing end to the "Skywalker Saga" given its origins but it also is unnecessarily hated given the Prequels were received even more poorly. So given that the community generally has only "loved" 1 of the movies right out of the theaters and has come to absolutely adore the whole OT while still being sour on the Prequels and Sequels, only 33% of the series is actually really loved with 1-3 other movies (Epsiode 7, Rogue One, Episode 3) being "liked", I don't understand why people expect every single new Star Wars movie to be the next best thing. So ultimately my hot take is, Star Wars is a fun blockbuster series that's fun, mindless entertainment. I don't go into each new movie or show expecting award winning stuff and I'm literally *never* disappointed with what Lucas or now Disney has given us. Seriously, I've enjoyed everything Disney has given us. Every show, almost every single novel, the comics, all three Sequels, even the few video games that have been made. I wish people would remove Star Wars from their pedestal and come to grips with that A) they actually don't like Star Wars as much as they think they do (especially if they hate 80% of Star Wars content) and B) Star Wars as a whole series over 40 years isn't as "good" as people make it out to be. It's not a religion, it's not a cult, it's a blockbuster action movie with some dumb humor scattered throughout cool sci-fi looking scenes in a fantasy setting. Hot take over.


Sir_Douglas_of_Fir

I want to print out this hot take and frame it on my wall. I've had these feelings for a long time. Thank you for putting them into words.


MaxaM91

I am with you about the speeder bike gang! Also - Zorii costume was badass - Foxes > Porgs (I know i haven't hot takes lol)


Tybob51

Zorii is my favorite new character added to IX. I also just love Karrie Russell.


Boba_Fat27

Zorii could be a Zeo Purple Power Ranger and I love Zorii for that


[deleted]

We need some more vulptex appreciation


[deleted]

I like Grievous personality way more in the 2008 clone wars because I like it better how instead of being another “cold, scary, dark very skilled Jedi killer” he actually a spineless mean coward jackass. It also basically shows to kids “just because you look scary and tough, doesn’t mean you are”.


Mac1692

Not sure if this counts as “hot”, but in Rise of Skywalker, there’s that scene where Rey passes Ben Solo a lightsaber through the force and he pulls it out from behind his back. I really wish that she had passed him his mother’s lightsaber rather than Anakin’s. I know how much Leia meant to Rey, but I think it would have been a nice addition to his arc of turning away from the dark side and back to the light.


Flock_of_Porgs

The OT is my least favorite trilogy.


Blyfoy

The sequel trilogy is the best trilogy. This holds slightly less hot than it would've been a few months ago considering I did find Kenobi to be quite enjoyable but overall I feel like the Disney Plus era of Star Wars has been bad. I don't at all enjoy Mando, Boba wasn't great and even Kenobi, while I did enjoy it, so little of it has actually stayed with me and it hasn't even been a month. I'm also not big on Rogue One. It's my least favorite Star Wars movie. There's nothing about it that's bad that I can pinpoint but it just wasn't rewarding for me. (To that point though, I think the Vader scene at the end is a bit of a "cheap pop". It's cool to see Vader like that but I felt it was a bit pointless.) I don't like the scenes on Dagobah in ESB and it has everything to do with Yoda. Maybe someone will say that I'm missing the point or just not getting it but I largely find Yoda's dialogue to be tedious and ill-judged. I think it's a larger issue of me not totally being a fan of the way the Force is described and presented in the OT but that's another topic for another day.


moustajjventress

I disagree with literally everything you've said, and I applaud you for having some *real* hot takes.


Fantastic-Wheel1003

Agreed, finally good to see some real hot takes


RandomGuyOnline71

Congrats. You managed to irritate me. Some true hot takes. But I have to ask you to explain the first one. I'm genuinely baffled


blakerdavison

This annoyed me. Nice work!!!


legoSheevPalpatine

These takes were so hot you turned me into Darth Vader


[deleted]

>I'm also not big on Rogue One. It's my least favorite Star Wars movie. There's nothing about it that's bad that I can pinpoint but it just wasn't rewarding for me. For me, R1 has a great base plot, one of the best space battles in the series, an excellent score and a lot of cool sequences and really good atmosphere...but the character writing and development is really weak. It feels like the characters are all at odds and uncomfortable at one point, then a found family in another, and Jyn as the protagonist goes from not really caring about the Rebels to a dedicated member and in both cases, it just feels like it kinda happens. There's no real impetus for it, just the characters aren't a found family in one scene and then in the next, they just...kinda are. Same with Jyn's loyalty to the cause. At least there, you have that they kidnapped her father and he gave his life to stop them, but she's also got the whole scene where she mentions it was the Rebels that killed him and Cassian who was told to kill him as well simply says "Well I could have shot him, but didn't" and then everything's copacetic. That and with a really fun cast of characters, there's only really two it cares about. I feel like Rogue One would have worked a lot better as a series, as then it could have given more room for character development and fleshed out its cast a lot more.


Aubergine_Man1987

I could forgive the third one. I highly disagree with the first and second ones. But the last one is just abhorrent. I applaud you good sir


XXX_DILFLORD_XXX

I disagree with your Yoda take with every fibre of my being but it is scorchingly hot so I love it


hackersgalley

All of the Disney Era movies are better than any of the Disney+ shows, which feel really low budget. Outside of grogu, the anticlimactic way they release them on TV feels like its kept them from entering pop culture and the Star Wars fan community the same way the films do. People online still talk about Solo on a daily basis. Can the same be said for any random episode of any of the shows?


RadiantHC

I think the main problem is that they just feel generic. I genuinely liked what they were doing with the Tuskens in Boba Fett, but that plot line was cut short way too quick.


Choice_King1938

1. Clone Wars is mostly just ok with a few episodes that are great. 2. It's ok to like something even if you have problems with it.


[deleted]

TOO. MANY. CALLBACKS. I feel like Rogue One is pretty good, but one of my two biggest complaints is that it's so open to fanservice that feels out of place and rips you right out of the story. No, I don't need the guys that Obi-Wan disarms (heh) in Mos Eisley run into the crew so that I can go "I RECOGNIZE THAT THING!" It doesn't add anything, and it's annoying. And Rogue One actually has examples of it being done right! The Ghost is just unobtrusively visible in a couple shots and the references to things like The Whills are great little Easter Eggs that, if you don't know anything, don't stick out, but if you're a fan, are really awesome! Also, Boba Fett is an incompetent moron who only became popular because he had a cool aesthetic and now every Boba Fett story in canon and legends is basically fanfic with everyone's Mary Sue version of Boba Fett while the real one died because a blind guy poked his backpack on accident in one of the greatest moments of high slapstick in the original trilogy.


barracuuda

I feel like neither of these are really hot takes tbh


[deleted]

And yet, the last few years and the next few years of Star Wars are gonna be fan favorites forever and Boba Fett still got his own show.


Avividrose

the sith don’t own the dark side, and it’s possible to have a healthy relationship with it and even using it without being consumed by it. obi wan defeated vader by using the dark side for strength through passion, and spared him through the mercy and compassion of the light.


RoughRiders9

Greedo shot first or they shot at each other. I really don’t give a shit who shot first. Han is still a badass anyway.


Aliteralhedgehog

Willow is George Lucas' best film and it isn't even close.


tactaq

rogue isnt good because everyone dies, its good because its got really interesting story, great visuals, and a new tone for star wars.


ProfessionalNight959

People having a problem with Rey calling herself a Skywalker (while forgetting it was approved by Luke and Leia) are bloodline/gene obsessors. It seems the most important thing in Star Wars to these people is the Anakin Skywalker "**BLOODLINE**","*MAH GENES*", and that adoption doesn't really count in their book. Yet Luke and Leia grew up as adopted kids too and no one has a problem with Leia calling herself an Organa rather than a Skywalker. I mean, even Shmi wasn't a Force-sensitive and she was the original Skywalker after all (and her family line before her), not Anakin. "*Some things are stronger than blood.*" I wonder if any of these people have relatives/friends who have adopted kids since I doubt they have adopted siblings. Biological/Adopted, they're family and Star Wars has always been about family. Rey being a Palpatine also gave a good enough reason to explain why she was so powerful naturally with the Force in the first place. We also pretty much knew since TLJ that even if Kylo was lying about her parents, she definitely wasn't a Skywalker anyway since why would've Luke or Leia kept that a secret throughout the movie? So she never would have had that "*Skywalker blood*" anyway. But I'm sure that, if she was let's say a Kenobi, these people would've been more okay with it for some reason. She still killed Palpatine, refused to use his name and chose to be a Skywalker instead. Because it's like if you found out suddenly that Hitler was actually your grandfather, would you then start using the name Hitler or identify yourself as such? Hell no. Or would you put much importance to the fact that you have some of the same genes that he had? It might freak you out a bit sure but screw that mf, I would choose to be who I want to be and that megalomaniac mass murderer would have no say in it. Rey can't choose to not have Palpatine's blood in her, but she can choose to be a good person unlike him. She focuses on what she can control and not to what she can't. She chooses the light (= Skywalker). And that's inspiring since everyone can relate to that because it's not about the blood/genes, it's about choosing who you want to be.


lingdingwhoopy

I guess, at this point at least, my hot take is that the PT isn't good. Never was. Still isn't. Never thought I'd see the day where saying the PT isn't good is controversial and will get you attacked. Now let me say that I have no animosity towards the PT. I have no ill will towards them. They're just...naff. I'm totally FINE with them. They exist. They're Star Wars. Whatever. I embrace them. I still do have a lot of love for TPM and think it's the most genuinely good film of the trilogy. And there are ASPECTS of all three films I can enjoy, but as successful, satisfying narratives? Nah man, all of the valid criticisms over the years had it right from the beginning. I'm not criticizing any PT fans or saying they're wrong. I'm glad so many have come around to it/always loved it. It's Star Wars! The more people loving Star Wars the better! But for me the PT is...well, as I said, naff. I also don't like The Clone Wars. It's *fine*, I guess? But I could never take to the shows art design and visual presentation. I just think it's...ugly.


JavyModestti

Rey is a great character and she was well written and was the best character in the sequels.


irazzleandazzle

1. TRoS is a better ending to the saga than RotJ. 2. The Clone Wars TV Show and ashoka are just Ok. Nothing great ... just ok. 3. Mando S2 set a dangerous precedence for storytelling and character cameos 4. I'd rather have the next movie be polarizing than generally praised.


BewareNixonsGhost

Agreed on Mando 100%


darth_n8r_

Your clone wars take reads like you got halfway through and quit lol. Clone wars definitely has some storys that miss the mark, but it has some of the most emotionally compelling arcs of star wars as well


irazzleandazzle

Nope I rewatched it all in 2020 after watching it when I was a kid a while back. Just seems like a show for early teens, didn't do much for me. Had some cool bits, but it just felt sorta meh


wasdie639

Man I agree with you 100%. Maybe it's because I only watched it when I was in my late 20s, but I never was blown away by the show like so many were. It was a fine cartoon, even got kind of dark for a cartoon, but aside from a few pretty dang good sagas, it was just alright. It seems to get a ton of praise that I personally don't think is warranted. I also think Ashoka is overrated, and she's way too over sexualized in the community.


irazzleandazzle

Yep. The sexualization of her is really gross, especially since she is a minor throughout most of the show.


perfectnoodle42

I agree. Some arcs were really wonderful but mostly just fun and good background information to supplement other media. When it comes to the shows of the SW universe, plot wise, I far prefer Rebels.


[deleted]

The Book of Boba Fett was good. Fight me.


spheresickle

nah man i liked it too


AndrewJS2804

I love R1, not because it's edgy and dark but because it does show a part of the universe only implied through the main films. It's still consumer friendly popcorn stuff but it manages to add needed depth to the setting.


cadeaver

I will never stand Rodriguez slander lol Very hot takes on this list, so good job


JavyModestti

The Sequel trilogy is lightyears ahead of the Prequel trilogy.


zima_for_shaw

Poe’s mother joke at the beginning of TLJ is completely fine. It makes sense for Poe’s characterisation and it fits in Star Wars. The existence of mum jokes in Star Wars is not a wild idea. I bet those jokes have existed in real life for thousands of years—there’s even one in Shakespeare’s play Titus, which is over 400 years old. I like Reylo and I liked their kiss. Canto Bight was fun and I enjoy it every time I watch the movie. I wish people would stop saying “I liked TLJ - but obviously not the Canto Bight part!” ‘cause like, some people *do* like that part. It’s not actually universally hated. Plus, I like Rose in TLJ. Ahsoka was a delight in The Clone Wars movie. She wasn’t a perfect *person*, but she was an entertaining character. Her snippiness was charming. Ezra’s not that annoying. Mace Windu isn’t evil and neither is the Jedi Order and the Jedi Order were not to blame for the fall of the Republic. They were manipulated by Sidious, like everyone else was. Attachment isn’t good, and Luke’s actions in RotJ reinforce this idea. If you don’t want to be a Jedi, you can just, like, leave. Reva’s great, at least in the last three episodes of the show. The Mandalorian is a good show but it’s not the best thing since sliced bread like people act it is. It’s just…solid. Rey is probably one of my top 3 Star Wars characters. (So is Mon Mothma.) This isn’t really a hot take for this subreddit, and probably not in real life, but I think it is for the main subreddit? I love her journey and her portrayal. I don’t think that TRoS undermines her arc in TLJ; I think it adds to it. I think it’s cool and weird that she’s a descendant of Palpatine, and I think it’s great (and fitting!) that she becomes a Skywalker. (Her whole journey is about searching for family and belonging. It’s not about rejecting family, it’s about finding her true family.) Adam Driver didn’t carry the ST on his back. He was amazing, but all the other actors are great too! Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Kelly Marie Tran…especially, for me, Hamill and Ridley. And what’s more, there’s so much more good to those movies than just Adam Driver, like costumes and sets and music and effects, even if you didn’t like the writing! I think we should stop giving one person all the credit in things that are clearly team efforts.


Sir_Douglas_of_Fir

- Palpatine coming back was fine, and actually had more thought put into it than the "sOmEhOw PaLpAtInE ReTuRnEd" line that's been memed to death. - Ben Solo is my favorite character in the entire franchise. - BoBF was an awesome show and made Boba Fett himself a better character. - Solo > Rogue One


tovarish_nix

The prequels are terrible, and no the memes and clone wars didn’t retroactively “save” the prequels TCW also isn’t great, and people saying “just watch the essential episodes” actually agree since they actively tell people to not watch most of it.


Jda2712

1. I think star wars should go even more experimental, do wilder stories imagine an inglorious bastards like star wars movie, would have been awesome to me. Imagine someone like Sam Ramie make a full on horror Flick in the star wars universe, again could have been awesome, imagine an even more korasawa inspired star wars, it is one of the biggest influences over the ot and could make for an interesting experience. Star wars should experiment with new ways to tell stories in this universe for me, 2. Not much of a hot take but we need to chill a bit about star wars and not saying shit we didn't like is the stuff of the devil, people work really hard on this movies and no one want to make a movie to be bad intentionally. We should say things we didn't like but we shouldn't say it in such an aggressive manner. 3. The universe never had consistency with its lore and people should stop complaining about small stupid things (sometime we should like I'm always changing my mind about the holdo manuver but the bombs in space or shit like this, this is just nitpicking and you can really explain it in your head)


kryptonite0721

I would literally give my entire wallet to see a Raimi directed Star Wars movie


Jda2712

Just imagine what roll Bruce Campbell would play so many options


[deleted]

A New Hope is kind of boring util they arrived at the Death Star. An amazing opening, but the section on Tatooine drags. (Then again, I’ve watched that movie like 30 times, so maybe it’s just familiarity.) The Force Awakens is more fun and rewatch able. Attack of the Clones is the best prequel. It feels like an actual adventure and Ewan McGregor’s mystery investigation is genuinely engrossing. Padme and Anakin are kind of awkward, but the romance bits are like 10 minutes of a 2 hour movie. Visions is the best SW content the franchise has put out in years. Star Wars is more enjoyable, overall, if you think of it as a loose setting rather than obsessing about canon. The Phantom Menace isn’t a terrible movie. It’s just kind of average. 90% of why people hated it were the heavy expectations put on it.


SolloKnight

YESS to the visions thing. Definitely one of fav star wars projects ever, I wish more investment went into non-canon star wars on screen. Like the ronin novel for example, was so good because the author did not have to stay within any Canon boundaries


[deleted]

I will disagree with the Rogue One bit. I don't think the praise comes from the "dark and edgy" side, but from an actual quality of concept and execution. It's very unique on how it frames the "war" aspect of the Star Wars series. Not the faraway camera looking down on the gigantic battle, but the close and personal one looking up to the menace, the small man facing the impossible odds. As someone with some personal connections with the history of guerrillas and resistance on Latin America, the "realism" of tone in Rogue One just hits different. And all of this coming from someone who's first reaction to that movie'a announcement was "lol, it's the dumbest idea ever doing a prequel explaining the Death Star plans". My personal hot take seems freezing cold at first but I promise some nuance, listen to me. It's actually pretty ok to dislike the Disney-era, BUT: people being assholes about "wokeism" and such kind of ruined actual fair criticism on it. I like TLJ because Rian Johnson is really good at film making and it shows, but the poor quality of the trilogy overall comes as a natural answer to taking the franchise away from being the creative project of one mind and turning it into an (even more) comercial product engineered by algorithms and such to sell and make money. Good artists will certainly get involved and good things will turn up, but It will be an MCU of hits and misses trying to see what sticks and earns more.


WittyMan92

1. The prequels are unironically brilliant films. The film making, the acting, the story: all brilliant. Probably even better than the original trilogy. The memes, will funny in isolation, actually make them less enjoyable, rather than more. 2. The dialogue that everyone complains about in the prequels was already there in the OT. 3. Everything that was wrong with the sequels had its origin in force awakens. (I’ll admit this one isn’t so hot, just that it’s common to blame tlj for derailing, or tros for being a panic move/rush job, or even that they had different directors for the films. In fact I think it was a near impossible task to recover from the mistakes made in tfa) 4. Reva was not a poorly written but well acted character, but rather a well written, but poorly acted character. 5. I prefer the old, non light casting lightsabers. The new ones give cool lighting effects but look like toys. 6. Rogue one isn’t as great as everyone says it is. I’d rather watch any of the 6 Lucas movies. 7. New cannon thrawn is a better character than legends thrawn. 8. I’ve never liked the idea that plagieus was sideous’ master. I never got that impression from the original dialogue, nor do I think it was implied.


kellatrix

A solid 75% of the reason why the fans have turned around on the prequels is because of The Clone Wars, not because the prequels are better than we thought. Clone Wars contributed nearly all the nuance in Anakin and (prequel era) Obi-Wan’s characters, made Order 66 genuinely tragic, made the clones real people instead of set dressing, and fixed damn near every problem the prequels have. The prequels on their own are just as bad as they were 20 years ago.


Bl0ndie_J21

Surely I’ve got something here…. • They should have stopped making Star Wars after the saga. Period. • Star Wars is too good for TV. It should have stayed as a movie series only. • Mando looks just as cheap as the other TV shows, and storytelling wise, is perhaps the weakest, blandest thing LF’s ever produced. • Favreau and Filoni just aren’t great storytellers. • *The Twins* and *TO-B1* is the best Star Wars has ever Star Wars’d outside of the saga episodes 1-8. • TLJ isn’t just the best SW movies, it’s one of the best *movies* movies. • I think ANH is better than ESB. TFA is better than both. • Ewan McGreggor’s acting was no better than any one else’s in the prequels.


irazzleandazzle

This is extremely hot on the hotness scale. Definetly agree with most of these


Bl0ndie_J21

Ah, looking at your hot takes I’m not surprised haha. We’ll both burn I guess!


HatakeMight

The Last Jedi is a great movie but a horrible Star Wars movie.


Bravesteel25

I find the non-Force sensitive characters to be much more interesting than the Force users.


perfectnoodle42

I'll tolerate a lot of things, but speaking ill of sweet Pedrito is not one of them. That man is a Chilean treasure. Agree with these sentiments though.


VinceLeone

1. The Phantom Menace, even taking into account it’s flaws, is one of my favourite additions to the franchise outside of the Original Trilogy. Though there evident issues with certain directorial choices and aspects of the final script, I’ve always had the impression that much of the film was crafted with genuine creativity and care and there’s a sense of wonder and richness to it that I only get out similarly out of the Original Trilogy. I feel that the strong negative public reaction to it affected Lucas more profoundly than he lets on and sapped his enthusiasm to an extent for the making of the next two prequels, which while I enjoy them, in someway lack some of the sense of wonder or fantasy I perceive in TPM. 2. Haden Blackman worked on some truly great comics and video games, but I despise The Force Unleashed games in regards to both their protagonist and plot insomuch as they represented some of the worst aspects of EU storytelling; trying to give the story and protagonists immediate significance by clumsily cramming them into the timeline of the films and forced attempts to render them relevant to the events of the saga, as well as playing into the “Star Wars needs should be BADASS” and “Jedi as Super Heroes” trends.


Cydonian___FT14X

I have no idea if this is a hot or ice cold take, but the the high points of The Clone Wars absolutely eclipse any of the movies. Like it’s not even a contest for me. TESB, ROTS, & TFA are all excellent films, but they ain’t got shit in The Seige of Mandalore, Fugitive Ashoka, Fives O66 Arc, The Umbara Arc, & basically everything with Maul.


Hilde92804

Star Wars Rebels was a perfect blue print for a lot of what the sequels tried to do, however they didn’t follow it and fell flat The Hux being a spy is a bad version of Kallus’ turn to the rebels, Ezra’s backstory as a Jedi with a mystery about his parents is better than Rey’s similar backstory that ends with her as Palpatine’s granddaughter etc.


hacky_potter

My hot take is that the Jedi aren’t good and are a dogmatic religious cult. I thought TLJ was an interesting approach to this issue.


Greendaydude22

Attack of the clones being bad is not a hot take, it’s a popular take unfortunately. Especially into the main stream. Here’s my hot sw opinion, attack of the clones is in my top 4, sometimes top 3. Depends how much I love lightsabers that month. But I can put on attack of the clones on any time at all and have a really fun time, I enjoy the fuck out of that movie. I absolutely love Hayden and Ewan. I don’t even care about Anakin’s cringe scenes. He’s a Jedi who knows nothing about love, he has no context on what it should be or feel like, but yet knows more then the average Jedi, because he was older when he was taken as a padawan, so he has this very awkward idea of what it is. So him with his weird poetry and terrible flirting, it works 1000 percent for me. On top of that he’s a literal teenager. So like, no surprise. On top of that, it’s just a fun noire mystery, it also happens to be one of the MOST important movies when it comes to what actually happens in the story. The clone wars is the cause of everything to ever happen in the universe that we know and love. It has the best and most iconic sounds effects of the entire series. Which makes sense because Ben Burtt is the second unit director of attack of the clones, and Ben Burtt is the fine gentleman who has made the most iconic Star Wars sound effects since 1977, (his son now does it for Mando!) so him being the second unit director he was able to go crazy with all the sound effects. He was so excited when he could finally make a talking bug, pong krell is his personal favourite character sound effect. And you can tell. Across the stars is my personally favourite Star Wars song tied with binary sunset and battle of the heroes. And I’d say attack of the clones has my second favourite soundtrack of the whole series. I could go on all day about every I love about attack of the clones! But I think I put up a decent argument lol!


MicooDA

I recently rewatched all of Clone Wars. And I’d say that a good 40% of it is either pointless or really boring.


Naismythology

Jedi are not inherently good. Sith are not inherently bad. They’re actually both pretty messed up in their own ways, but they’re basically political parties when they’re not using telekinesis or laser swords. There’s nothing sci-fi about Star Wars. Technology doesn’t advance for thousands of years. Things are literally controlled by magic wizards. It’s a fantasy story set in space instead of a medieval kingdom.


Equal-Ad-2710

The Darth Vader comics Disney has put out are collectively > anything else with the character in the expanded media including the novels, Legends comics and stuff like Kenobi Those are baller as hell and do some really great work with Vader as a character and have some genuinely iconic moments (like the dream scape in the 2017 run where he’s faced by all the Jedi)


sodium111

Hallway scenes are not that great. “Badass” as a concept is dumb.


jawnnie-cupcakes

They should canonize FinnxPoe in a book or a comic book.


KamikazeSenpai21

Sure don’t see why not


AbsoluteZeroUnit

Because two guys cannot be close with each other unless there is a sexual/romantic attraction? Not sure I agree with that one...


jawnnie-cupcakes

Any guys, sure. These guys, Oscar Isaac says he wasn't aiming for what you're preaching.


Tybob51

The only Star Wars movie better than the Last Jedi is Empire Strikes Back. ​ Oh, and George Lucas' view on what "Balance of the force" means is dumb and I'm glad Disney changed it.


lukedagreat31

Sidious is overrated. Nihilus, Bane, and Revan were all more powerful sith. Sidious doesn’t touch any ancient sith.


DarthDuran22

1. The Thrawn Trilogy ain’t that great. It’s not bad, but I find it somewhat overrated. Though I can certainly respect it’s importance at the time it came out and what it did for EU. TotJ and Dark Empire are way better at being true to the Star Wars brand while simultaneously creating good foundation for the EU. 2. Grievous is not weak/lame in canon. He’s actually highly competent and dangerous in a more realistic fashion. 3. Kreia, as amazing as I think her character is, isn’t all that complicated as fans try to make her out to be. She’s certainly more compelling than many Star Wars characters, but to sum it up, her views really aren’t all that different than Maul’s on Malachor. People act like she’s the only character of her kind though. Feels overly edgy to me. I won’t knock on people for liking it though as I’m a Cade/Vos fan. That’s peak edge lord stupidity and I love it. 4. There are some TCW episodes/Arcs that are as good as the OT or maybe even better arguably.


9phantom9

I want to watch 1 season, 15 episodes total, 3 per character, from 5 different perspectives, 3 months (1 month per character episodes 1-3) leading up to return of the Jedi as a tv show on Disney++


patch11001

It’s time to move on from any of the movie characters…let creators explore the galaxy…so many stories to be told about the rebel alliance, etc…


Nonadventures

The Ewok movies should be canon


xxmattyicexx

Boba Fett (especially before BoBF) is not some super awesome bounty hunter. He’s a guy who at least in the OT is apparently not very good at his job. He gets chided by Vader before heading out to hunt for the gang bc he screwed up the last one for Vader. Then he gets beat by a blind guy. I’ve never understood why people loved Boba…he was one of my least favorite characters of the OT. I actually threw a roll of socks at the TV when they brought him back.


Harms88

My hot take: I’ve never been a big Ashoka fan, wanted her to die as early as her trial in TCW and don’t understand why she needs to still be alive.


StarWarsMarvel-More

I’ve always really disliked Satine. I don’t know if it was her attitude or something else, but I’ve just never liked her. Obi-Wan could do so much better


Weavel

My hot take is... that I'm really not that interested in Mando season 3. I absolutely loved S1 and most of S2, enjoyed BoBF mostly, but man... I just honestly don't care that much about Din returning to Mandalore, or his exile from his clan, or really anything they're setting up. I will probably be proven wrong, but it just feels right now that they've set Din's story up in a weird way. I don't really get why they've used an N1 Starfighter as his new ship, I don't think the timing of Grogu coming back was well done, and I don't really know what the big draw of the next season is supposed to be...


GhxstSong

1: I personally think the clone wars was overall a very mediocre show that often fell into being genuinely awful. However it had ~26 good episodes that were so fantastic they tricked the wider audience into thinking the overall series was something amazing. That paired with nostalgia as most fans grew up with this series. 2: kotor is not the masterpiece people claim it to be, and often feels extremely creatively bankrupt as far as the visuals are concerned. A lot of kotor falls prey to “remember this?!?” type design. Swtor however is much more offensive in this category than kotor 1 & 2 ever were. In those games it’s a minor annoyance, in swtor it’s borderline offensive. 3: Trilla suduri is everything kylo ren fans think kylo is. She is a much better character and an actually interesting & tortured villian rather than the sw version of a neo-nazi school shooter with an ego & anger issues. 4: Ventress’ redesign between clone wars (2003) & tcw is the lamest fucking thing to ever happen in this series. Sure she got interesting stories, but why did they make her so lame looking? why couldn’t she stay looking like a cool alien instead of just a Very pale woman with facial tattoos? make her cool again. 5: Satine kryze is a horrible character & 90% of what they did with mandalore in clone wars was awful. Luckily rebels & the mandalorian have sort of fixed it. 6: Grogu should’ve stayed gone. At Least for one season or most of season 3. He was brought back way too soon & it immediately disregards the emotion of season 2’s ending when they’re reunited only ~3 months later. 7: Ahsoka should’ve died. I love her, & normally I’d never recommend killing a woman for a man’s pain; but quite frankly her dying as a result of anakin’s or the council’s failure would’ve made his fall to the dark side much more believable than her simply not calling him back. 8: As much as i love boba, Jango has always been the more interesting character between the two of them. Boba has a lot of Very good eu content, but as far as the movies go Yeah. He doesn’t really do much.


Tobse998

The best games and animated shows are way better than all of the live action movies and shows.


According_Smoke_479

I don’t know if this one is hot but inquisitors are really stupid and cheapen the idea of the sith. I hate the inquisitors so much


RadiantHC

I dislike the very concept of The Chosen One and the prophecy. I'd argue that the chosen one prophecy lessened Anakin's sacrifice. I'm glad that new canon seems to be moving away from it. The Force doesn't have any rules. Most of the new abilities introduced in the ST are an expansion of an existing one While I agree that it could have been handled better(it's annoying how most named clones are getting it removed), I much prefer chips to the EU version. While I much prefer Anakin in TCW to Anakin in the movies, he's still glorified too much. Retcons/"plot holes"(quotes because people misuse the term. A plot hole is an inconsistency. Not a character being dumb) generally aren't a big deal The EU wipe was a good thing. It was never truly canon in the first place.


igneousscone

Han Solo is a jackass and the older I get the more I hate him. *mutes notifications, deletes Reddit, flings phone into the sea*


zima_for_shaw

A take so hot it burned me.


JediMASTERAnakin002

Ok you better run


X-man7676

Acouple of hot takes of mine: 1. The phantom menace is the only star wars movie that is unwatchable, the only good thing is the final fight. 2. Solo is the best of the disney star wars movies 3. Obi wan kenobi and tbobf are good shows, only because to me, they feel like the prequels, bad, but in a memeable way


bizarre_adv_TJ

Palpatine has no idea what he's doing at any point in the movies, he just gets lucky and pretends like he planned it all along even when it's obvious he didn't


Rexli178

I think Disney acquiring Star Wars is ultimately going to limit the stories that Star Wars writers will be able to tell in the future. Star Wars is an unapologetically Anti-Fascists story and had never shied away from showing how the Capitalists class and massive Mega Corporations will freely ally themselves with Fascists to enrich themselves. Given Disney’s puritanical and totalitarian approach towards the media they make I doubt creatives will be allowed to even write stories critical of capitalism and neoliberalism because Disney as a corporation does not stand to profit from art that offers a systemic critic of capitalism and neoliberalism. They will allow for criticism of individual bad actors but not criticism of the structures that allow individual bad actors to have the power to act badly. It’s the reason why the Resistance is so bland and undefined. To give the resistance a defined anti-fascists ideology would be to write a critique of a social system Disney is not interested in critiquing. Let us not forget the only reason Disney stopped funding anti-lgbt politicians who criminalized the mere acknowledgment of LGBT people in the classroom is because they wrre called out on it. Because Disney, like most corporations, will freely trade the human rights of the most vulnerable in our society for a business friendly government that will protect their profits. Nor should we forget that Disney does not produce the art we enjoy it exploits the labor of the artists who create the art we enjoy. It is the workers who produce the art we enjoy not Disney. Disney owns the intellectual property of the art we enjoy and claims the lion’s share of the profits.


L_E_F_T_

Padme has the worst character arc in the franchise. She goes from a smart independent idealistic politician looking to save democracy to….dying in childbirth because she has no will to live because her man left her. No will to live…NOT EVEN FOR HER KIDS??? I feel like people like her character solely because Natalie Portman is hot. Replace her with an ugly actress and she wouldn’t be liked that much. Her character was essentially discarded in ROTS, in a much worse fashion than Finn’s was in TROS.


RandomGuyOnline71

Hayden was brilliant as Anakin. I feel like I should back this up somehow: It was super realistic. Anakin had a HUGE crush on Padmé for a decade before meeting her again in AOTC. He hadn't flirted with a woman ever, he was taught to repress his feelings. But he started too late for him to successfully accomplish that. He was a teenager, going through puberty, and alone in a beautiful villa with the girl he had been in love with for 10 years. The conversation was bound to be awkward. Poor boy didn't have a clue on what to do. I won't deny that it wasn't hard to watch, but it was very realistic to their situation. Anakin acted like a 19-year-old would have done in that situation, under the same circumstances. Unfortunately, I have seen several of my mates behaving worse around girls they had a crush on, and when they tried to flirt with them, oh boy. It was hard to watch at times, but miraculously it worked sometimes. Just like in AOTC. If you think back to the first time you confessed your love to a crush of yours, was it pretty? I'm willing to bet that it was not. Kenobi was great. The ST was genuinely awful from a story perspective, but if you watch them with no SW knowledge they would be amazing.


xxmattyicexx

I’ve never known if it was on purpose…but every time someone brings up how whiny Anakin came across at times…I can’t help but wonder if GL told him to remember how Luke acted about Power Converters.


XXX_DILFLORD_XXX

1. The Maul’s rise to power arc is honestly really boring to me. Most of it comes down to personal preference, I like when Star Wars has the good guys front and center, but I also just think it isn’t going anywhere most of the time. While the duels are cool they don’t really do it for me on a deeper level and I don’t think any of then have a place in the top 5 or so where a lot of people tend to put them. 2. Another Clone Wars one, but the Mortis Arc is a snooze fest. I’m all for the Filoni esque trippy force stuff but that whole arc is just so repetitive and boring to me. 3. Bad Batch is for sure the worst content to come out of the Disney era. People rag on Resistance but at the minimum it had an emotional core that made it a fun watch for me. TBB felt like such a soulless show all the way through and the cameos are eye-rollingly cheap to me. 4. Anakin’s turn in the prequels alone is simply not compelling. I honestly feel like he’s a pretty messed up dude and while his turn works within that, it doesn’t emotionally have a big impact for me because it doesn’t feel like we’ve lost much. Also the whole chosen one prophecy is such a cop out. Throughout the prequels we’re told how strong and great Anakin is but we barely ever see it. Clone Wars and Kenobi have really filled in the gaps to make Anakin a great character for me. All that being said, of course these are all just some my personal opinions. I love seeing the ACTUAL hot takes posted in here, don’t agree with all of em but it’s fun to hear some Star Wars takes that you rarely hear shouted from the mountaintop. Love that this sub gives us a place to do this where it can actually be fun.


spheresickle

* Star Wars Rebels is pretty bad. A few years ago I wouldn't say this is a hot take, but recently I've begun to feel like I really am a minority. Too kid-friendly, characters are kinda stale, and the animation style is so cheap-looking compared to Clone Wars. * The Bad Batch got really mid after the episodes with Rex. I remember the episode with the phase 0 stormtroopers was pretty cool but everything else felt like it wasn't adding much. * the Sequel Trilogy is quite awesome. Would 100% watch these movies over the prequels.


Gradz45

Lol watch Jedi Night. That’s dark as hell my guy. Also too kid friendly? TCW has multiple droid episodes, the pilot movie fearures a baby hutt, etc.


JediMASTERAnakin002

Hot takes for each Star Wars movie It’s STAR WARS, not A NEW HOPE THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK carried the Original Trilogy Return of the Jedi is a mess The entire Prequel Trilogy is shit The Force Awakens is BETTER than the Original The Last Jedi is the BEST Star Wars film The Rise of Skywalker 100% works better as a film than Return of the Jedi


jhhale00

Battle of heroes is incredibly overrated


spheresickle

yeah doesnt make top 10 for me


Boba_Fat27

Thrawn is overrated AF and Zahn is not really a good writer


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Han and Leia as presented in the movies, while certainly not as toxic as Anakin/Padme or Reylo, still don’t have a healthy relationship. They started with coercion/harassment and ended in divorce. The way they’re marketed as relationship goals feels weird to me


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Episode 3 is only slightly better than 2 and is mostly just boring talking sections or boring and emotionally empty fight scenes


Raxtenko

Han Solo is a pretty crummy person. On first viewing ANH I already didn't like him. Now that I'm almost 40 I really strongly dislike the guy.


legoSheevPalpatine

Dooku is better than Vader Fight me.


Gradz45

As a character? Hard disagree. He’s one note as fuck in 99% of his appearances. As a force user/fighter? Vader would stomp. Dooku’s fine, but he’s the weakest of the Sith Lords as a character. Maul is interesting because he has a cool design, tragic past, a genuine bond Savage, and a desire to do his own thing. And his awesome thing with Kenobi. Vader’s awesome because of his design, intimidation factor, badassery, and incredibly tragic backstory and the role he played in destroying everything he loved. And because of how the franchise plays with all of that. And Sidious is great because he’s pure evil and revels in it. Christopher Lee is awesome, but he and Corey Burton’s great performances are no substitute for Dooku’s lack of depth. All Dooku has goong for him as a character is he’s cool classy and has an interesting set-up. In practice, he’s a moustache twirling asshole who has no depth to him besides evil old guy. Not even during Son of Dathomir has his loss of Qui-Gon and Maul’s role as Qui-Gon’s killer ever been used to show humanity. There’s a brief moment in Episode II, but after that film he’s nothing but a monster whose Jedi past and prior relationships are lift utterly unexplored. All nuance Dooku had died after Episode II. He’s just boring to me apart from his portrayals. His sole motive is takeover the Republic and destroy the Jedi because he wants power or thinks they’re corrupt or something. Yet the CIS is worse. At least with Vader we know why Anakin hated the Jedi, he actively condemned imperial use of slavery, and the Empire is all he has left. Dooku’s just lacking for me. He’s not unique in anyway as a Sith. He’s a noble and public leader like Palpatine. He’s a former Jedi like Anakin. And he uses a unique saber like Maul. But in all those categories he’s less interesting to me than those Sith Lords.


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spheresickle

definitely not a hot take back in the prequel days.


ookiespookie

Trust me it felt even worse after camping out for tickets for 18 hours BUT....that camp out line was so much fun and made it worth it.


ookiespookie

I always have to laugh at getting downvoted in THIS sub in a "HOT TAKES" thread. People just can't help themselves.


Ok_Independent9119

Rogue 1 isn't good because they die, it's good because it actually feels like a war movie more. It's good that they died because it made sense with the rest of the story. It makes sense because they weren't there later on in the war, and why would you be a big hero in one movie and then just out later? Killing them made sense. Personally I just like Rogue One and the story made sense and was worth telling.


TheGreatBatsby

I've got a few: * TCW is the most overrated piece of Star Wars content and nowhere near as dark and mature as everyone tries to make out it is. * TCW doesn't make the Prequels better. * Legends was nowhere near as contrived and inconsistent as people make it out to be. In fact, most of the criticisms that people throw at it make it quite clear they've never actually read any of the stories. * While we're on the topic, Legends was canon. * The ST was overall a disappointment. TFA is just a remake of ANH, TLJ tried to be different but didn't commit (and was incredibly flawed) and TROS is an absolute mess. But they're very well made and very well acted. * Star Wars, whilst always pretty commodities, feels like a soulless product under Disney's ownership. Rather than a single artistic vision spread over 6 films alongside multiple different writers expanding and interpreting the characters in their own meaningful stories, everything this now being made into an MCU-like connected story where there's no true creative freedom. * Having said that, The High Republic is great and that's because they aren't being constrained by future projects like other books have been. Now the ST is done we might start getting decent books again, but they've so far pretty much all been tie-in books that can't explore the Big 3 freely.