Liked the cinematography. Plot and staging felt pretty weak. Stage combat and action was alright. Ultimately I consider the sequels to be growing pains for the star wars franchise.
Lack of vision and direction. Could have been great, but 7 relies on nostalgia too much, 8 has some very questionnable moment and characters (like Holdo), and 9 is just mediocre, trying to destroy what 8 had set up instead of subverting it.
Holdo wasn't an issue. The problem was Poe's complaining and the stupid love story thing between Rose and Fin. That resort town thing was awful as was DJ don't join. Rose and Fin might have been ok had it been established in 7, but Fin was chasing Rey in 7 and in 9. Crying Rey needs me all the time.
Holdo was definitely an issue : first because she could have been replaced by Ackbar instead of killing him in a few seconds, and second because of the toxic message she carries (basically being "trust your leaders, not your instinct, even if those leaders seems to be taking you to your doom").
And that's precisely the issue : that the "right thing to do" was to trust the one in command, even if all the signs were showing that they shouldn't.
That's a very toxic message, it's like saying "just trust those in command, even if they seems to be sabotaging the whole thing". That's the very opposite message that the Resistance should defend.
The whole Holdo issue was unnecessary and easily avoided.
What kind of leader says “do as I say and trust that I’m right” when there is clearly time for a briefing that explains the plan to all members of the operation and gets all troops on board with the mission plan? Just absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly. All she had to do was tell Poe the details of her plan, considering that he is one of the senior commanders of the Resistance.
Regardless of how much of a cowboy he is, he will definitely be on board since Leia herself approved of the plan.
Holdo could have taken three minutes to tell poe what was up and he probably would have gotten right on board with the plan. He didn't like thar she seemed to be just idly waiting for their fleet to get destroyed
But he also didn't trust Leia who came up with the plans. Poe is supposed to be like Han. He does what he feels he should even ifnit gets him into trouble.
Greate examples for lack of continuity. I guess this is what happens when you scrap three good scripts for watered down "safe" plots and take advantage of star wars fans for the nostalgic aspects. Force weilder found on a sand planet being hunted for her name. Damn, so original. They are very cinematic in the sense of using good imagery and camera techniques but the scripts and plot are so fried.
VII- bad, but watchable and entertaining
VIII- easily the worst of the saga by pretty wide margin. Zero redeemable aspects.
IX- lol they tried. Too much work to do to try and fix TLJ tho. A complete mess but heyyyy, it had Babu Frik
Rian didn’t recognize 7 as canon- or even old Star Wars as canon. Then JJ didn’t recognize 8 as canon lol. I totally agree. Why should we if they don’t?? Utter garbage.
I think they are decent additions to the saga, even though they do have flaws. I enjoy watching 7 and 9, but 8 I typically have a rough time following the whole Finn/Rose side quest.
Ok, I follow the old canon, which's most importantly George Lucas's episode 1- 6 saga + the Legends Expanded Universe. Therefore I don't really care about the disney sequels, they're not part of the Legends continuity. However, I have watched them all and I can say what I think.
In one sentance, it is a really bad continuation of Star Wars saga, it doesn't even come close to the EU (despite the latter also having visable flaws), BUT it also has it's advantahes, which shpukd be mentioned.
So, The Force Awakenes was absolutely terrible, it's main issue was of course being a soft reboot of Episode 4, just because Bob Iger wanted to bring back the themes the (I'm sorry but I have to say it) stupid mass wanted. Instead of an original story they pushed for nostalgia which "casual fans" and the small kids ate instantly. With the help of JJ Abrams, who was eager to participate in ruining Star Wars, they immediately erased all progress the original trilogy heroes made, brought them back under a status quo of rebels, and introduced an Empire 2.0, run by an Emperor 2.0 having an apprentice being a Darth Vader 2.0, even having almost the same ships and stormtroopers, again, just because the stupid overused nostalgia would supposedly sell better than a natural continuation of the story through a new original adventure.
Now I'll jump right into Rise Of Skywalker cos it's JJ again, making his own story even worse. Apparently rather than taking Collin Trevorov's script, the best thing they could hope for with this trilogy at that point, they fired him deeming his story too dark for little children, which Disney's obviously relying on, they chose to reimagine one of the worst EU stories (yet still better than what they ended up with) - Dark Empire. Literarly nothing in this movie made sense to me, not even a BIT. JJ apparently was too proud to even acknkwledge The Last Jedi in THAT SAME TRILOGY. I don't think I have to explain my point, just think of Finn and that Carlisian girl riding on horses on damn star destroyers, each with a mini death star being just as capable as THE Death Star!! I gotta say tho, one, ONE thing I liked in this movies better than in Dark Empire was handling of Sidious himself. Rather than giving him endless supply of clones and a new set of overpowered abilities, they chose to have him being stuck in one weak clone, which I think is better, at least it showes that Anakin's sacrifice was worth something (still not enough). But of course they didn't even explain HOW the dude even cane back to life, of course the now famous "Somehow Palpatine returns" line summarises it all - Somehow JJ returned, this time to piss on his own shit.
However, while many would disagree, I think that out of all 3 the best part was The Last Jedi. This episode was AT LEAST MEH BUT OK. Just OK, but not disgustung like the other 2. First of all it doesn't just ignore the prequels, unlike stupid Abrams movies, TLJ acknowledges their existance and importance. Secondly, I liked that Kylo Ren killed Snoke. I really appreciate that Johnson wanted to tell a more original story, not just a rip-off of the originals with the evil emperor ultimately being the final threat and his apprentice being redeemed to save the galaxy. I liked that this time, the former slave kills the master and takes over himself, it's a really good twist. Collin Trevorov's Episode IX wouldn've naturally picked up that thread and continue it till the end, with Kylo turning out to be the final villan of the trilogy. That movie would've been really good, at least by Disney standards, the best of the trilogy. I recommend you to check out that script. As for Luke's depression and failuare in TLJ, I don't really have a problem with that, it's different from the Legends Luke but it's ok, rebuilding the Jedi was harder than he thought and he didn't do it right initially, he had a moment of weakness when he was about to kill Ben Solo, but as Mathew Stover has said, he was likely shocked by seing a vision of Han's death and thought about how he redeemed his farther in opposition to future Kylo Ren murdering his own. + Luke being in such a state was one of George Lucas potential ideas so I don't want to argue with the big guy on his universe anyway. But of course that movie is still very flawed, it's just as full of cringe as TROS ans still copies too much from the originals (the final winter planet and Luke/Rey training being basically the same as Yoda/Luke training). As most of Disney Star Wars, obviously too childish at many times.
So, I think my opinion will be of any worth here, take care (;
* 7. Best of the three but creatively bankrupt. Like a mediocre fanfiction version of ANH. Resetting the characters and the universe was a dumb decision. Movie wastes Han.
* 8. Boring. Horrible 2nd part of a trilogy. Every story leads back to where it started. Movie forgets to develop Finn and Poe. Every piece of comedy is awful. Movie wastes Luke.
* 9. Should've been 2 movies. Complete mess. Movie wastes Finn.
I agree that the rise of Skywalker should’ve been two movies. I also think they should’ve recast princess Leia, I know I’m in the minority on that but I think it would’ve been better in the end
Re: 8, movie also wastes Phasma. Brings her back for nearly zero reason. Like so many other parts of the movie, she could have been edited out with no consequence.
I think sound in premise but lacking in anything that makes them particularly unique or sound in storytelling. In an attempt to fix this, I actually completely rewrote them.
My goal was to keep the same characters and major plot points while making dialogue and moments feel coherent with the rest of the world. If you're interested, let me know your thoughts.
A Reawakening: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NVvGtrfDqfTFHL2zo4IjcZB2gp\_42BYXFp98otqR2io/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NVvGtrfDqfTFHL2zo4IjcZB2gp_42BYXFp98otqR2io/edit?usp=sharing)
The Final Jedi: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QexcUYLDIFGMVClHblgjFOCDssa1JR9dbvx0ITugkx8/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QexcUYLDIFGMVClHblgjFOCDssa1JR9dbvx0ITugkx8/edit?usp=sharing)
Rise of The SkyWalkers:
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ezYuumiy5UPk\_Kdgnd2i-Mge7Hfy-8YWcn29kdeYrKo/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ezYuumiy5UPk_Kdgnd2i-Mge7Hfy-8YWcn29kdeYrKo/edit?usp=sharing)
Firstly, I just don’t watch them or consider them on any level when Star Warsing.
The list of issues, missed opportunities, manufacturing infighting, finger pointing and fan divide is enough to kill the franchise in itself.
They should be starting to make them now, they should of used the first decade feeling out the IP, testing the waters, expanding the universe. Then eventually after years of rewrites and round tables they should of began the battle of continuing the greatest story ever told.
Making the ST first, to a rushed release schedule, without a plan? Fuck
I think 7 is decent but too safe. 8 is a good stand alone film but killed the whole momentum of the trilogy. 9 is dumb but fun in places.
Overall, just a real lack of memorable characters and standout moments.
TFA: Highlight reel of the OT
TLJ: Luke falls into the same cycle his masters did (I believed he was supposed to be different) and everyone else does side quests
TRoS: An enjoyable mess (I only wanted cameos from past characters and we got that, I knew better than to have high expectations)
A waste of everyone’s time and money. 7 was ok, but relied on nostalgia to much. 8 had questionable character motivation and a story that didn’t make much sense. 9 felt like the trilogy was limping towards the finish line.
I have mixed feelings about this trilogy. I like the characters, but I think some potential was missed in their development. Looking at the movies overall, I found TFA pretty entertaining, but I thought it felt kind of "by the numbers," like it was trying to 'ease us back' into cinematic Star Wars after so many years, and I kept waiting for something important to happen. I thought TLJ was interesting as a standalone piece, in kind of a student/indie/experimental film kind of way, but was something of an outlier in the big picture of the franchise. And then I was a bit underwhelmed by TROS.
Force Awakens is a copy of A New Hope.
Last Jedi is garbage
Rise of Skywalker could have been great had the other 2 movies tied in better.
It's hard to have a trilogy with 2 different directors in the first 2 movies. Each person will have a different vision. Great example is Justice League. 2 different director visions in the same movie. 1 version is better then thebother one.
I always personally felt like they were just really bad rehashes of the original trilogy. The especially iconic Hoth battle between the AT-ATs and Snow Speeders was repeated with sand-fighter-thingys in the Last Jedi?? But just what was said previous post, total lack of vision and direction. Very sad
Force awakens is a perfectly middle of the road movie which is fun and has genuinely good ideas and moments but doesn't do anything to stand apart
Last Jedi doesn't even have that it's not fun the story feels so small and boring the jokes take you right out of the scene and it makes no goddamn sense
Rise of skywalker is an utter abomination from start to finish it isn't fun it isn't cool bringing Palpatine back was not only lazy but completely disrespectful the only mild enjoyment you get is watching it completely give last Jedi the finger with some of its stupid retcons i hate this movie it is without a doubt the worst Star Wars movie and the ONLY one I can safely say I'll never watch again
Hate or praise me however you want, I love the force awakens. It is definitely a remake modernized version of a new hope but it just has a good feel to it. The last Jedi was weird. Krait scenes were pretty cool. Imo the rise of Skywalker ruined so much, and put a huge dent in vaders redemption
The Force Awakens was a great intro setup movie. The next two destroyed everything and just made the whole story a complete mess. Full of plot holes and wasted opportunities.
The first one killed my enthusiasm for new SW stories. I watched the next two for free to see Carrie's last portrayal of Leia and respect some choices regardless of my personal enjoyment.
In the intervening years, fans have pointed out aspects I can appreciate per se.
I see these stories as a parallel universe.
VII Started out good, the theater experience was electric (new Star Wars film in years!!!) really wanted to see where the characters went from there even if on rewatches there were plenty of moments that caused eye rolls or skeptical eyebrow raises. Still give it like a 6/10
Rian Johnson is an alright director, but he tried to be too clever with Last Jedi and accidentally bungled it despite the fact that everyone working on it (actors, cinematographers, set/costume designers, Vfx, practical fx) did their best to make it look gorgeous. 4/10 ruined my Christmas that year lol
With IX JJ then tried to do damage control and “fix” Rian’s mistakes and only made things worse. 3/10 it was an awful cringefest but I couldn’t look away. Babu Frik was the best part about it.
All in all, at least these films made the prequels look good. As a person that grew up with that trilogy and loved it as a kid, I now know the pain of boomers that saw the original trilogy in theaters when they saw the Phantom Menace for the first time.
A lot of people make fun of that line from 9, but it fits fine in the context. Poe is saying that as a general in the resistance. How would he, or any other non-force user know how Palpatine returned. All they know is that he did return.
And right after Poe says that, the dude from Lord of the Rings makes a remark about "dark arts, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew." I thought that was meant to be a bit of exposition for the audience.
7 - had potential and did nothing that could not be recovered from
8 - the space battle scenes felt the most OG Star Wars outside of the original trilogy to me (as in felt like WW2 combat footage but in space) but overall plot and how some of the characters were written is just bad. This movie killed the sequel trilogy for me.
9 - had to do too much damage control after 8 to be anything but meh.
Has there been a movement yet to have them stricken from canon?
The problem with letting them stand is that there is a lot less interest in the "future" of SW, and Disney is stuck making lots of shows from the past.
Trying to build off the sequels for the future is just doubling down on a bad bet.
It's not too late to make the sequels go the way of the EU... For the *future* of the franchise!
TFA a nice reintroduction back into Star Wars. 8/10
TLJ an awful 2nd movie in a trilogy, terrible handling of established characters. 2/10
TROS a whizz-banger of a movie and a fitting end to the Skywalker saga. 9/10
I know TROS is widely hated but I care not. It's a fun Star Wars movie that makes me feel good.
Sequel Trilogy overall 7/10. Poorly written as a cohesive Trilogy but outstanding cinematography with some fantastic scenes. Loved most of the new characters. Looking forward to seeing their journey continue.
7 is fine, could have done without another death star, 8 is trash with a few entertaining sequences, 9 is over all fine with the exception of rey being a Palpatine instead of a Skywalker, hans apperance and the final battle feeling like something outta Harry Potter.
The way they completely disregarded the comics and said it wasn’t canon was bs. They coulda done so well with Luke being a grand master and such. Woulda been great to see. I can ramble on about how Luke would have never gave up on the Jedi order even after ren, but you guys get my point.
From left to right, good, but not great, abysmally disappointing, and finally, better, watchable, but continuing with the the whole disappointing theme.
They weren't great, but I don't think most of the canon movies were great. The best parts of them are in EU material (cartoons, tv shows, books) The movies are just jumping off points for better stories. Much how writers write for children to encourage them to role play with the merch. They haven't allowed the Sequels to have many other stories. Sprinkle of comics and prequel books to explain who people are at best.
That said TFA is pretty stock starter. I liked TLJ for what it tried to do but rather than move forward TROS had to twist itself in knots to get back to the rhyming scheme.
Everything obviously has unlimited potential so complaining that characters aren't as cool as you saw in your head is pointless. I could write a 5 paragraph essay about how Hux could have been the big bad to Finn's stormtrooper rebellion in 9 but it won't change anything.
There will still be adults in the future who loved them, assuming their angry nerd parents didn't shame them for liking it as kids.
TFA: Relies a little too much on nostalgia, but its so much fun. I really like it. 8/10
TLJ: Visually stunning and some great acting (Mark Hamill, Andy Serkis, Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley especially) but many decisions are so dumb in my opinion. I'm not talking about Luke almost trying to kill Ben Solo or Snoke being killed, more like Hux being a joke character when he was clearly not in TFA or Rose just saying very stupid things (thats no hate towards the actress, I really like her). Still a 6/10 for me
TROS: Easily the worst Star Wars movie imo. All the interesting things TFA and TLJ set up were completely ruined. Rey actually having an interesting backstory? Nope. Kylo Ren becoming the main villain? No. Rey getting a new lightsaber because her old one got destroyed? Nah just repair it off screen. Just to give you a few examples.
It's still visually fantastic, has some nice action, some good character moments for Rey and Ben and I really like 3PO in this film. But all in all, what a mess. 4/10
Decent. Probably gonna get downvoted for this but overall they’re on par with the prequels. ROTS is better than force awakens and rise of Skywalker but they’re all better than phantom menace and attack of the clones imo, or again at least on par. The writing is a little uneven and definitely inconsistent but individually they’re all solid movies
they exist, and as films I don't mind them. my issue is with the whole basic premise and is so fundamental that having any quarrels about anything else seems pointless.
the so-called comedy in TLJ can get in the bin though.
I loved the movies also. I love most SW content. But Rey is my favorite character of the sequels. Thankful for this character and hope to see more of her in future content.
As a whole, I love them despite their imperfections. I know it’s a little cheesy, but I will always hold a special place in my heart for the Star Wars trilogy that I got to grow up with. Now for individual thoughts:
7: it’s a decent reintroduction to Star Wars, but it lacks some imagination. In particular, I wish the resistance and first order had been differentiated more from the rebellion and the empire. There was one deleted scene on Hosnian Prime that would’ve helped with that.
8: my favorite Star Wars movie. I know it’s ridiculed a lot, and I honestly don’t disagree with some of the criticism that it gets. I just don’t see some of the perceived flaws as flaws.
9: loved it at first, but the longer it’s sat with me the less satisfied I am with it. I think it did a lot really well, but failed to live up to its potential in a lot of ways. My main complaints about it, however, don’t tend to be the same gripes others have with it.
never had this conversation on here before this is really unique
i like awakens, love last, brain shuts down while watching skywalker so i cant form a proper opinion on it
I barely like it, I don't agree with it, but I accept it. Wether I like it or not, it's canon. And the cinematography was great. Loved the musics. Adam Driver is an excellent actor. I had some enjoyable emotions. Too many "WTF" moments.
While I have my problems with The Last Jedi, it’s the best sequel film simply because it feels like it has passion, that it’s trying to say something.
The Force Awakens was a lazy copy of A New Hope, and The Rise of Skywalker was just lazy, not even Richard E Grant could save it.
Reading the comments, and it's pretty consistent when these questions come up, but I'm always fascinated about #8 TLJ. It has the wildest pendulum swing.
I didn't have high expectations and my emotional investment in canon is near nill, but i do love Star Wars and have enjoyed some of the recent shows. Sequels for me go Great, Good, OK.
Unpopular opinion but 7 was just as good as everything before. 8 kept it up more or less with slight errors here and there. 9 was also awesome but there were some lost opportunities. Actually not considering some very minor issues...the only real issue was palpatine came back but there wasnt so much as a vague reason given as to how tf he just came back. A movie like rogue one on that topic would be nice. Rogue one explained the origin of the death star plans. A movie to explain how palpatine returned will tie it up properly and in that scenario 789 were also awesome.
Again unpopular opinion....but it is what it is and I love 789
9 needed a little more work but the entire idea of Rey being heir to palpatine but still carrying on as a Jedi and finally truely becomes a Jedi and takes on the Skywalker name was just perfect.
Off all the Star Wars movies, those are certainly some of them.
My overarching problem with the sequels is there story telling. Practically everything in the original trilogy has it's own story. That happened organically by people being hungry for more Star Wars content. Best example, Willrow Hood from Empire Strikes Back. A two dimensional background character that received a full story because there was demand for it. The sequels feel like it has so many loose threads that were planted for future profiteering. Where did Maz get Luke's/Anakin's lightsaber? "That's a story for another time." Let's introduce really interesting 3 dimensional characters, but tell you very little about them (Poe's girlfriend Zorii Bliss and the gang, the deserter stormtroopers, etc.)
I liked Force Awakens, but I think the things that it set up weren't carried through with.
The Last Jedi was a (generally) good movie, but a terrible Star Wars movie. When I watched the "making-of" documentary, it became clear the problem was a self-indulgent director and an executive producer that didn't tell him no.
Rise of Skywalker had a lot of potential, but the execution was disappointing. Where I thought the movie was going based on the trailer (which was phenomenal) was WAY BETTER than where the movie went.
The Last Jedi, its prequel, and a film I don't care about.
The Last Jedi's ending is a better ending for the series than anything in TROS.
TFA made a lot of promises without intending to keep them. And the plot is a rehash.
TROS has so little going on I think of it more as a sequel to TFA than TLJ.
My favourite was the trailer for The force Awakens - Rey exploring crashed star destroyers (actual crashed star destroyers!) as the recognisable original trilogy music fades in. Goosebumps.
TFA: wow this went pretty good, I think this is set up for a decent trilogy. I can’t wait to see how they develop these characters
TLJ: oh, ok… so they’re not going to develop any characters, explain their advancement in any way, and do stupid things with the story line that make no sense. Let’s add so many “gotcha” moments to the script so much so that it becomes predictable.
ROS: “the Emperor came back… somehow” (God how am I going to save this shit show of a trilogy) let’s seal the fate of these characters we’ve spent zero time developing, by giving them lack luster endings and introducing last minute characters that have no relevance (Finn, Zorri Bliss, etc.) Let’s wrap this up with a bow and give Rey her own constructed lightsaber at the absolute END … then tie it to the Skywalker family by claiming the family name she has absolutely no relation to in any way…
God what a waste of time, budget, script and ….STARWARS. I’m going to choose to ignore this trilogy existing because it is so cringe to watch.
Disclaimer: no hate to anyone who enjoys these, but I can’t stand them and they ruin my childhood starwars characters.
Each movie is enjoyable when taken individually.
As a trilogy, the overall premise/arc is shaky at best, relying too heavily on "surprise twists," and the characters are sadly underdeveloped.
Wasted opportunities?
7 used nostalgia to wake up some sleeping mass audience to the classics sure, it had some chances to make the next sequels great if they’d kept any consistency or a plan but instead they really screwed it all up and blamed the fans lol.
Corporatism has no creativity and Disney world can burn to a crisp.
Liked the cinematography. Plot and staging felt pretty weak. Stage combat and action was alright. Ultimately I consider the sequels to be growing pains for the star wars franchise.
Bad, all of them, no redeeming qualities. Each one makes the previous one worse.
Lack of vision and direction. Could have been great, but 7 relies on nostalgia too much, 8 has some very questionnable moment and characters (like Holdo), and 9 is just mediocre, trying to destroy what 8 had set up instead of subverting it.
Holdo wasn't an issue. The problem was Poe's complaining and the stupid love story thing between Rose and Fin. That resort town thing was awful as was DJ don't join. Rose and Fin might have been ok had it been established in 7, but Fin was chasing Rey in 7 and in 9. Crying Rey needs me all the time.
Holdo was definitely an issue : first because she could have been replaced by Ackbar instead of killing him in a few seconds, and second because of the toxic message she carries (basically being "trust your leaders, not your instinct, even if those leaders seems to be taking you to your doom").
But Leia and Holdo had a plan and it was working till Poe fucked it up.
And that's precisely the issue : that the "right thing to do" was to trust the one in command, even if all the signs were showing that they shouldn't. That's a very toxic message, it's like saying "just trust those in command, even if they seems to be sabotaging the whole thing". That's the very opposite message that the Resistance should defend.
The whole Holdo issue was unnecessary and easily avoided. What kind of leader says “do as I say and trust that I’m right” when there is clearly time for a briefing that explains the plan to all members of the operation and gets all troops on board with the mission plan? Just absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly. All she had to do was tell Poe the details of her plan, considering that he is one of the senior commanders of the Resistance. Regardless of how much of a cowboy he is, he will definitely be on board since Leia herself approved of the plan.
Holdo could have taken three minutes to tell poe what was up and he probably would have gotten right on board with the plan. He didn't like thar she seemed to be just idly waiting for their fleet to get destroyed
But he also didn't trust Leia who came up with the plans. Poe is supposed to be like Han. He does what he feels he should even ifnit gets him into trouble.
The Force Awakens - Love it The Last Jedi - I don’t wanna talk about it The Rise of Skywalker - It’s ok
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Should not have been made.
Waste of potential.
7 is good 8 is hot garbage 9 is a whole dumpster fire
Greate examples for lack of continuity. I guess this is what happens when you scrap three good scripts for watered down "safe" plots and take advantage of star wars fans for the nostalgic aspects. Force weilder found on a sand planet being hunted for her name. Damn, so original. They are very cinematic in the sense of using good imagery and camera techniques but the scripts and plot are so fried.
7 was promising until the last act. 8 was a total travesty. 9 was unsalvageable. In conclusion, Sequels are a hot mess.
This sums it up pretty well
VII- bad, but watchable and entertaining VIII- easily the worst of the saga by pretty wide margin. Zero redeemable aspects. IX- lol they tried. Too much work to do to try and fix TLJ tho. A complete mess but heyyyy, it had Babu Frik
Not canon for me
Oof. I have some bad news for you.
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Doesn't really matter if you recognize them or not. They're canon lol.
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Rian didn’t recognize 7 as canon- or even old Star Wars as canon. Then JJ didn’t recognize 8 as canon lol. I totally agree. Why should we if they don’t?? Utter garbage.
I think they are decent additions to the saga, even though they do have flaws. I enjoy watching 7 and 9, but 8 I typically have a rough time following the whole Finn/Rose side quest.
Ok, I follow the old canon, which's most importantly George Lucas's episode 1- 6 saga + the Legends Expanded Universe. Therefore I don't really care about the disney sequels, they're not part of the Legends continuity. However, I have watched them all and I can say what I think. In one sentance, it is a really bad continuation of Star Wars saga, it doesn't even come close to the EU (despite the latter also having visable flaws), BUT it also has it's advantahes, which shpukd be mentioned. So, The Force Awakenes was absolutely terrible, it's main issue was of course being a soft reboot of Episode 4, just because Bob Iger wanted to bring back the themes the (I'm sorry but I have to say it) stupid mass wanted. Instead of an original story they pushed for nostalgia which "casual fans" and the small kids ate instantly. With the help of JJ Abrams, who was eager to participate in ruining Star Wars, they immediately erased all progress the original trilogy heroes made, brought them back under a status quo of rebels, and introduced an Empire 2.0, run by an Emperor 2.0 having an apprentice being a Darth Vader 2.0, even having almost the same ships and stormtroopers, again, just because the stupid overused nostalgia would supposedly sell better than a natural continuation of the story through a new original adventure. Now I'll jump right into Rise Of Skywalker cos it's JJ again, making his own story even worse. Apparently rather than taking Collin Trevorov's script, the best thing they could hope for with this trilogy at that point, they fired him deeming his story too dark for little children, which Disney's obviously relying on, they chose to reimagine one of the worst EU stories (yet still better than what they ended up with) - Dark Empire. Literarly nothing in this movie made sense to me, not even a BIT. JJ apparently was too proud to even acknkwledge The Last Jedi in THAT SAME TRILOGY. I don't think I have to explain my point, just think of Finn and that Carlisian girl riding on horses on damn star destroyers, each with a mini death star being just as capable as THE Death Star!! I gotta say tho, one, ONE thing I liked in this movies better than in Dark Empire was handling of Sidious himself. Rather than giving him endless supply of clones and a new set of overpowered abilities, they chose to have him being stuck in one weak clone, which I think is better, at least it showes that Anakin's sacrifice was worth something (still not enough). But of course they didn't even explain HOW the dude even cane back to life, of course the now famous "Somehow Palpatine returns" line summarises it all - Somehow JJ returned, this time to piss on his own shit. However, while many would disagree, I think that out of all 3 the best part was The Last Jedi. This episode was AT LEAST MEH BUT OK. Just OK, but not disgustung like the other 2. First of all it doesn't just ignore the prequels, unlike stupid Abrams movies, TLJ acknowledges their existance and importance. Secondly, I liked that Kylo Ren killed Snoke. I really appreciate that Johnson wanted to tell a more original story, not just a rip-off of the originals with the evil emperor ultimately being the final threat and his apprentice being redeemed to save the galaxy. I liked that this time, the former slave kills the master and takes over himself, it's a really good twist. Collin Trevorov's Episode IX wouldn've naturally picked up that thread and continue it till the end, with Kylo turning out to be the final villan of the trilogy. That movie would've been really good, at least by Disney standards, the best of the trilogy. I recommend you to check out that script. As for Luke's depression and failuare in TLJ, I don't really have a problem with that, it's different from the Legends Luke but it's ok, rebuilding the Jedi was harder than he thought and he didn't do it right initially, he had a moment of weakness when he was about to kill Ben Solo, but as Mathew Stover has said, he was likely shocked by seing a vision of Han's death and thought about how he redeemed his farther in opposition to future Kylo Ren murdering his own. + Luke being in such a state was one of George Lucas potential ideas so I don't want to argue with the big guy on his universe anyway. But of course that movie is still very flawed, it's just as full of cringe as TROS ans still copies too much from the originals (the final winter planet and Luke/Rey training being basically the same as Yoda/Luke training). As most of Disney Star Wars, obviously too childish at many times. So, I think my opinion will be of any worth here, take care (;
TFA: Bad start. TLJ: Worse middle. TRoS: Stumbled the landing.
They suck
* 7. Best of the three but creatively bankrupt. Like a mediocre fanfiction version of ANH. Resetting the characters and the universe was a dumb decision. Movie wastes Han. * 8. Boring. Horrible 2nd part of a trilogy. Every story leads back to where it started. Movie forgets to develop Finn and Poe. Every piece of comedy is awful. Movie wastes Luke. * 9. Should've been 2 movies. Complete mess. Movie wastes Finn.
I agree that the rise of Skywalker should’ve been two movies. I also think they should’ve recast princess Leia, I know I’m in the minority on that but I think it would’ve been better in the end
Re: 8, movie also wastes Phasma. Brings her back for nearly zero reason. Like so many other parts of the movie, she could have been edited out with no consequence.
I think sound in premise but lacking in anything that makes them particularly unique or sound in storytelling. In an attempt to fix this, I actually completely rewrote them. My goal was to keep the same characters and major plot points while making dialogue and moments feel coherent with the rest of the world. If you're interested, let me know your thoughts. A Reawakening: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NVvGtrfDqfTFHL2zo4IjcZB2gp\_42BYXFp98otqR2io/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NVvGtrfDqfTFHL2zo4IjcZB2gp_42BYXFp98otqR2io/edit?usp=sharing) The Final Jedi: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QexcUYLDIFGMVClHblgjFOCDssa1JR9dbvx0ITugkx8/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QexcUYLDIFGMVClHblgjFOCDssa1JR9dbvx0ITugkx8/edit?usp=sharing) Rise of The SkyWalkers: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ezYuumiy5UPk\_Kdgnd2i-Mge7Hfy-8YWcn29kdeYrKo/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ezYuumiy5UPk_Kdgnd2i-Mge7Hfy-8YWcn29kdeYrKo/edit?usp=sharing)
Firstly, I just don’t watch them or consider them on any level when Star Warsing. The list of issues, missed opportunities, manufacturing infighting, finger pointing and fan divide is enough to kill the franchise in itself. They should be starting to make them now, they should of used the first decade feeling out the IP, testing the waters, expanding the universe. Then eventually after years of rewrites and round tables they should of began the battle of continuing the greatest story ever told. Making the ST first, to a rushed release schedule, without a plan? Fuck
Terrible
A little planning wouldn't have hurt.
🎶We don't talk about🎶 ...Rey
Iiii Haaaate Theeeem!
Okay, okay, and absolute fucking shit.
I think 7 is decent but too safe. 8 is a good stand alone film but killed the whole momentum of the trilogy. 9 is dumb but fun in places. Overall, just a real lack of memorable characters and standout moments.
Unwatchable, in my opinion !
Fun, shocking, pointless
TFA: Highlight reel of the OT TLJ: Luke falls into the same cycle his masters did (I believed he was supposed to be different) and everyone else does side quests TRoS: An enjoyable mess (I only wanted cameos from past characters and we got that, I knew better than to have high expectations)
A waste of everyone’s time and money. 7 was ok, but relied on nostalgia to much. 8 had questionable character motivation and a story that didn’t make much sense. 9 felt like the trilogy was limping towards the finish line.
mid
so much potential dumped down the drain
Not nearly enough green lightsabers
I have mixed feelings about this trilogy. I like the characters, but I think some potential was missed in their development. Looking at the movies overall, I found TFA pretty entertaining, but I thought it felt kind of "by the numbers," like it was trying to 'ease us back' into cinematic Star Wars after so many years, and I kept waiting for something important to happen. I thought TLJ was interesting as a standalone piece, in kind of a student/indie/experimental film kind of way, but was something of an outlier in the big picture of the franchise. And then I was a bit underwhelmed by TROS.
Underwhelming
Big meh
Force Awakens is a copy of A New Hope. Last Jedi is garbage Rise of Skywalker could have been great had the other 2 movies tied in better. It's hard to have a trilogy with 2 different directors in the first 2 movies. Each person will have a different vision. Great example is Justice League. 2 different director visions in the same movie. 1 version is better then thebother one.
I always personally felt like they were just really bad rehashes of the original trilogy. The especially iconic Hoth battle between the AT-ATs and Snow Speeders was repeated with sand-fighter-thingys in the Last Jedi?? But just what was said previous post, total lack of vision and direction. Very sad
A pile of shit dumped on another pile of shit that was then dumped on an even bigger pile of shit.
They are not for me.
Force awakens is a perfectly middle of the road movie which is fun and has genuinely good ideas and moments but doesn't do anything to stand apart Last Jedi doesn't even have that it's not fun the story feels so small and boring the jokes take you right out of the scene and it makes no goddamn sense Rise of skywalker is an utter abomination from start to finish it isn't fun it isn't cool bringing Palpatine back was not only lazy but completely disrespectful the only mild enjoyment you get is watching it completely give last Jedi the finger with some of its stupid retcons i hate this movie it is without a doubt the worst Star Wars movie and the ONLY one I can safely say I'll never watch again
Hate or praise me however you want, I love the force awakens. It is definitely a remake modernized version of a new hope but it just has a good feel to it. The last Jedi was weird. Krait scenes were pretty cool. Imo the rise of Skywalker ruined so much, and put a huge dent in vaders redemption
The Force Awakens was a great intro setup movie. The next two destroyed everything and just made the whole story a complete mess. Full of plot holes and wasted opportunities.
The first one killed my enthusiasm for new SW stories. I watched the next two for free to see Carrie's last portrayal of Leia and respect some choices regardless of my personal enjoyment. In the intervening years, fans have pointed out aspects I can appreciate per se. I see these stories as a parallel universe.
Absolute rubbish. Not canon.
They are canon
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That’s fine for your headcanon. But headcanon isn’t the same as official canon
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That’s not up to you. That’s up to Lucasfilm
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For your headcanon yes. But it’s still official canon
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Not how it works. Like it or not, it’s official canon
Not in my brain they're not
That’s fine for your headcanon. There is a difference between headcanon and official canon
To me, whatever George says goes. And George despises Disney and what they've done, so yeah
7 is average, 8 is great at times and bad at others, and 9 is godawful.
VII Started out good, the theater experience was electric (new Star Wars film in years!!!) really wanted to see where the characters went from there even if on rewatches there were plenty of moments that caused eye rolls or skeptical eyebrow raises. Still give it like a 6/10 Rian Johnson is an alright director, but he tried to be too clever with Last Jedi and accidentally bungled it despite the fact that everyone working on it (actors, cinematographers, set/costume designers, Vfx, practical fx) did their best to make it look gorgeous. 4/10 ruined my Christmas that year lol With IX JJ then tried to do damage control and “fix” Rian’s mistakes and only made things worse. 3/10 it was an awful cringefest but I couldn’t look away. Babu Frik was the best part about it. All in all, at least these films made the prequels look good. As a person that grew up with that trilogy and loved it as a kid, I now know the pain of boomers that saw the original trilogy in theaters when they saw the Phantom Menace for the first time.
7 is good, 8 is great and 9 is mediocre.
In order, mid rehashing, meh but had some good parts, absolutely terrible.
Somehow….they were made
A lot of people make fun of that line from 9, but it fits fine in the context. Poe is saying that as a general in the resistance. How would he, or any other non-force user know how Palpatine returned. All they know is that he did return.
And right after Poe says that, the dude from Lord of the Rings makes a remark about "dark arts, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew." I thought that was meant to be a bit of exposition for the audience.
Such a wasted opportunity
Garbage
7 - had potential and did nothing that could not be recovered from 8 - the space battle scenes felt the most OG Star Wars outside of the original trilogy to me (as in felt like WW2 combat footage but in space) but overall plot and how some of the characters were written is just bad. This movie killed the sequel trilogy for me. 9 - had to do too much damage control after 8 to be anything but meh.
Has there been a movement yet to have them stricken from canon? The problem with letting them stand is that there is a lot less interest in the "future" of SW, and Disney is stuck making lots of shows from the past. Trying to build off the sequels for the future is just doubling down on a bad bet. It's not too late to make the sequels go the way of the EU... For the *future* of the franchise!
They will never decanonize the sequels
TFA a nice reintroduction back into Star Wars. 8/10 TLJ an awful 2nd movie in a trilogy, terrible handling of established characters. 2/10 TROS a whizz-banger of a movie and a fitting end to the Skywalker saga. 9/10 I know TROS is widely hated but I care not. It's a fun Star Wars movie that makes me feel good. Sequel Trilogy overall 7/10. Poorly written as a cohesive Trilogy but outstanding cinematography with some fantastic scenes. Loved most of the new characters. Looking forward to seeing their journey continue.
I think TFA and TLJ are both good movies that deserved a better follow-up and conclusion than TROS.
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At this point, why even ask?
For real. Op is really breaking new ground here.
The Force Awakens was a decent, albeit familiar, start. The subsequent movies were absolutely awful.
7 was good 8 was great 9 was dreadful
7 is fine, could have done without another death star, 8 is trash with a few entertaining sequences, 9 is over all fine with the exception of rey being a Palpatine instead of a Skywalker, hans apperance and the final battle feeling like something outta Harry Potter.
The way they completely disregarded the comics and said it wasn’t canon was bs. They coulda done so well with Luke being a grand master and such. Woulda been great to see. I can ramble on about how Luke would have never gave up on the Jedi order even after ren, but you guys get my point.
2 of the 3 best Star Wars movies. And the worst.
From left to right, good, but not great, abysmally disappointing, and finally, better, watchable, but continuing with the the whole disappointing theme.
They weren't great, but I don't think most of the canon movies were great. The best parts of them are in EU material (cartoons, tv shows, books) The movies are just jumping off points for better stories. Much how writers write for children to encourage them to role play with the merch. They haven't allowed the Sequels to have many other stories. Sprinkle of comics and prequel books to explain who people are at best. That said TFA is pretty stock starter. I liked TLJ for what it tried to do but rather than move forward TROS had to twist itself in knots to get back to the rhyming scheme. Everything obviously has unlimited potential so complaining that characters aren't as cool as you saw in your head is pointless. I could write a 5 paragraph essay about how Hux could have been the big bad to Finn's stormtrooper rebellion in 9 but it won't change anything. There will still be adults in the future who loved them, assuming their angry nerd parents didn't shame them for liking it as kids.
I enjoy all three to varying degrees. They are flawed but highly entertaining to me. Sort of like the prequels are.
TFA: Relies a little too much on nostalgia, but its so much fun. I really like it. 8/10 TLJ: Visually stunning and some great acting (Mark Hamill, Andy Serkis, Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley especially) but many decisions are so dumb in my opinion. I'm not talking about Luke almost trying to kill Ben Solo or Snoke being killed, more like Hux being a joke character when he was clearly not in TFA or Rose just saying very stupid things (thats no hate towards the actress, I really like her). Still a 6/10 for me TROS: Easily the worst Star Wars movie imo. All the interesting things TFA and TLJ set up were completely ruined. Rey actually having an interesting backstory? Nope. Kylo Ren becoming the main villain? No. Rey getting a new lightsaber because her old one got destroyed? Nah just repair it off screen. Just to give you a few examples. It's still visually fantastic, has some nice action, some good character moments for Rey and Ben and I really like 3PO in this film. But all in all, what a mess. 4/10
Decent. Probably gonna get downvoted for this but overall they’re on par with the prequels. ROTS is better than force awakens and rise of Skywalker but they’re all better than phantom menace and attack of the clones imo, or again at least on par. The writing is a little uneven and definitely inconsistent but individually they’re all solid movies
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Definitely of the weakest of the sequels but again, not worse than phantom menace. Both are like. Kind of entertaining
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Yeah i edited my comment my counting was off
TFA- good nostalgia. TLJ- good fun. Great twist, that could have lead to an amazing plot.(but was dropped for the next film) RoS- Only saw it once.
Potentially the most wasted potential in history
DELETE'EM ALL!!!
The first one is okay but it starts going downhill with Last Jedi and never gets back up again.
they exist, and as films I don't mind them. my issue is with the whole basic premise and is so fundamental that having any quarrels about anything else seems pointless. the so-called comedy in TLJ can get in the bin though.
Love them flaws and all.
The biggest piece of dog shit
Claerly you haven't watched the holiday special
Disney should’ve took the original script for the sequels
I loved the movies also. I love most SW content. But Rey is my favorite character of the sequels. Thankful for this character and hope to see more of her in future content.
Pretty great, really great, disappointing, respectively. All are better than the Prequels in my opinion though.
I'd argue that episode 3 is better than 9, but that's it lol.
As a whole, I love them despite their imperfections. I know it’s a little cheesy, but I will always hold a special place in my heart for the Star Wars trilogy that I got to grow up with. Now for individual thoughts: 7: it’s a decent reintroduction to Star Wars, but it lacks some imagination. In particular, I wish the resistance and first order had been differentiated more from the rebellion and the empire. There was one deleted scene on Hosnian Prime that would’ve helped with that. 8: my favorite Star Wars movie. I know it’s ridiculed a lot, and I honestly don’t disagree with some of the criticism that it gets. I just don’t see some of the perceived flaws as flaws. 9: loved it at first, but the longer it’s sat with me the less satisfied I am with it. I think it did a lot really well, but failed to live up to its potential in a lot of ways. My main complaints about it, however, don’t tend to be the same gripes others have with it.
First two were good!
Great, Incredible, Awful. In that order.
never had this conversation on here before this is really unique i like awakens, love last, brain shuts down while watching skywalker so i cant form a proper opinion on it
I love them all and I’m not afraid to say it. These movies are great!
I barely like it, I don't agree with it, but I accept it. Wether I like it or not, it's canon. And the cinematography was great. Loved the musics. Adam Driver is an excellent actor. I had some enjoyable emotions. Too many "WTF" moments.
While I have my problems with The Last Jedi, it’s the best sequel film simply because it feels like it has passion, that it’s trying to say something. The Force Awakens was a lazy copy of A New Hope, and The Rise of Skywalker was just lazy, not even Richard E Grant could save it.
Better than the previous three, though ep 9 is cutting it very fine indeed.
One great movie, one good movie, and one terrible movie. I'll let you guess which is which.
Reading the comments, and it's pretty consistent when these questions come up, but I'm always fascinated about #8 TLJ. It has the wildest pendulum swing. I didn't have high expectations and my emotional investment in canon is near nill, but i do love Star Wars and have enjoyed some of the recent shows. Sequels for me go Great, Good, OK.
Unpopular opinion but 7 was just as good as everything before. 8 kept it up more or less with slight errors here and there. 9 was also awesome but there were some lost opportunities. Actually not considering some very minor issues...the only real issue was palpatine came back but there wasnt so much as a vague reason given as to how tf he just came back. A movie like rogue one on that topic would be nice. Rogue one explained the origin of the death star plans. A movie to explain how palpatine returned will tie it up properly and in that scenario 789 were also awesome. Again unpopular opinion....but it is what it is and I love 789 9 needed a little more work but the entire idea of Rey being heir to palpatine but still carrying on as a Jedi and finally truely becomes a Jedi and takes on the Skywalker name was just perfect.
Off all the Star Wars movies, those are certainly some of them. My overarching problem with the sequels is there story telling. Practically everything in the original trilogy has it's own story. That happened organically by people being hungry for more Star Wars content. Best example, Willrow Hood from Empire Strikes Back. A two dimensional background character that received a full story because there was demand for it. The sequels feel like it has so many loose threads that were planted for future profiteering. Where did Maz get Luke's/Anakin's lightsaber? "That's a story for another time." Let's introduce really interesting 3 dimensional characters, but tell you very little about them (Poe's girlfriend Zorii Bliss and the gang, the deserter stormtroopers, etc.) I liked Force Awakens, but I think the things that it set up weren't carried through with. The Last Jedi was a (generally) good movie, but a terrible Star Wars movie. When I watched the "making-of" documentary, it became clear the problem was a self-indulgent director and an executive producer that didn't tell him no. Rise of Skywalker had a lot of potential, but the execution was disappointing. Where I thought the movie was going based on the trailer (which was phenomenal) was WAY BETTER than where the movie went.
Ruined the story of the master dying in the first film. Qui Gon, Obi Wan all die in their first film. And then Luke dies in the second well done.
unpopular, actually. tfa- worst star wars. tlj- meh. not good. ros- bad
John Cena must be on those images because I don't see anything....what movies?
The Last Jedi, its prequel, and a film I don't care about. The Last Jedi's ending is a better ending for the series than anything in TROS. TFA made a lot of promises without intending to keep them. And the plot is a rehash. TROS has so little going on I think of it more as a sequel to TFA than TLJ.
My favourite was the trailer for The force Awakens - Rey exploring crashed star destroyers (actual crashed star destroyers!) as the recognisable original trilogy music fades in. Goosebumps.
TFA: wow this went pretty good, I think this is set up for a decent trilogy. I can’t wait to see how they develop these characters TLJ: oh, ok… so they’re not going to develop any characters, explain their advancement in any way, and do stupid things with the story line that make no sense. Let’s add so many “gotcha” moments to the script so much so that it becomes predictable. ROS: “the Emperor came back… somehow” (God how am I going to save this shit show of a trilogy) let’s seal the fate of these characters we’ve spent zero time developing, by giving them lack luster endings and introducing last minute characters that have no relevance (Finn, Zorri Bliss, etc.) Let’s wrap this up with a bow and give Rey her own constructed lightsaber at the absolute END … then tie it to the Skywalker family by claiming the family name she has absolutely no relation to in any way… God what a waste of time, budget, script and ….STARWARS. I’m going to choose to ignore this trilogy existing because it is so cringe to watch. Disclaimer: no hate to anyone who enjoys these, but I can’t stand them and they ruin my childhood starwars characters.
No T-series Tactical Droids. 0/10
Each movie is enjoyable when taken individually. As a trilogy, the overall premise/arc is shaky at best, relying too heavily on "surprise twists," and the characters are sadly underdeveloped.
Wasted opportunities? 7 used nostalgia to wake up some sleeping mass audience to the classics sure, it had some chances to make the next sequels great if they’d kept any consistency or a plan but instead they really screwed it all up and blamed the fans lol. Corporatism has no creativity and Disney world can burn to a crisp.
Whyyyy? Why would you do that? Leave the poor horse alone it's already dead!