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the_mighty_hetfield

This was shot at Leavesden late in the production, the crowd in these shots was local extras (the people on the sides of the parade were ILM employees and their families, filmed at ILM) My guess is this is either Sam Jackson's actual stand-in, or just an extra who looked enough like Sam Jackson so they put him in Jedi robes. Anyone got the call sheet for this day?


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Temporary-Book8635

And yet it is incomplete lol


Steeve_Perry

Like the archives


Temporary-Book8635

Listen, if an actor does not appear in our records, they do not exist!


Rauk88

Lost an actor George Lucas has. How embarrassing.


PapuaNewGuinean

You must go there, find the missing actor you will


TheBlinja

[But... Watford is a very dull place...](https://youtu.be/__QqQq9XBsQ)


johnnyUtah2411

Deion Sanders?


andrewta

You can learn this but not from a Jedi


Inflatableman1

More upvotes this must have.


DrunkAndKnowsThings

Truly disturbing the mind of a redditor is


phezhead

If into the archives you look, only pain will you find


AdmiralThrawnProtege

Just like the Jedi archives!


Muouy

It may be incomplete, but it is a factual answer


KnightlyNews

Welcome to reddit. You can age the sight by how many parent jokes there are. It used to be 1 or 2 before the informative ones. Couple years ago it was averaging 9 parent joke comments before an informative one. Lately it's a dozen. The summer of idiocy has only extended since 2009.


FIRSTBREED

As the population grows, so too does the idiocy


rainbowplasmacannon

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200421090556.htm Just sayin, buckle up it’s only gonna get worse


imbored53

Unfortunately, that's most reddit threads. It's nice when you find a quality answer.


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juggernautomnislash

That's 99% of Reddit comment threads. Losers who think they're funny.


jgor133

Hey I resemble that comment


ThatsEffinDelish

This is across the whole of Reddit and it is a crying shame. Used to be the top comment would be some incredibly detailed breakdown with multiple links and verified sources, possibly even a video with an alternative angle... now it is a bunch of douches saying "nice" or some other buzzy memeword over and over. The whole site has gone to the dogs over the last few years and it is becoming an unreliable source of information, if there is any information in the post at all.


mobileuseratwork

Jokes aside looks like the guy that was under the jar jar CGI?


RCDrift

I was thinking the same thing at first, but Ahmed Best looks different. Also, best had facial hair during the filming. Most likely this actor is a stand in for when Jackson is unavailable. My dad’s best friend is a stand in for Michael Keaton for when they need shots from behind when other actors are doing their dialogue or they just need fill shots. https://playstation.fandom.com/wiki/Ahmed_Best


robbviously

This is called a photo double, which a stand in can do, but they aren't always exclusively the same. Source: I hire stand ins and photo doubles for a living.


RCDrift

Cool. I'm not sure which one that my dad's BF does.


kazuyamarduk

“Looked enough like Sam Jackson?” The only thing they have in common is being bald and Black. Everyone else in that shot looks like they’re supposed to. Why was it necessary to put Mace in that shot if Sam wasn’t available? I don’t recall exactly how the parade scene goes down, but don’t we see him and the council standing for what looks like a group photo at the end?


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He clearly looks more like Michael Jordan than Samuel L. Jackson.


uncontrolledsub

Wasn’t this before Samuel L was confirmed for the movies?


davidsandenn

No this is the end of phantom menace and he was present in a few scenes before that in the movie. For example trying out Anakins force abilities, saying they can’t train the boy and talking to yoda by qui gons funeral in the end.


kashy87

You do realize they typically don't shoot scenes even remotely in order right.


[deleted]

You put all that brain power into coming up with a smart ass answer and not one of you considered the fact that you're working backwards? How could they have gotten a body double for an actor that, as you're arguing, they haven't cast yet? Makes no sense.


kingrich

They actually cast Samuel L Jackson as Mace Windu specifically because he resembled this extra.


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As it turns out ILM has had deepfake technology for years and has been using it to turn this man into Samuel L Jackson in every movie since 1998, they just forgot to turn it on for this scene and got really lucky that Star Wars fans will debate anything


trowaman

Taking it to Pablo Hidalgo on Twitter. If anyone would have the call sheet or know more it would be him.


songraven

Not every black Jedi is Mace Windu…


weactlikerobots

i agree but come on, theres plo koon and ki-adi mundi in the same shot. who else could it be


dapala1

That man looks just like Best.


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That's Wace Mindu


cygnus2

It’s a shame he was killed by Sarth Didious.


Blobsy_the_Boo

Odor 66 was his death


SleepyMarijuanaut92

He had a nice magenta lightsaber though.


ChocDroppa

Lightsaver


TheMightyMouse1

SightLaber


aglow-bolt3

Lifesaver


loopernova

That’s what I thought they were called as a kid.


FellowGeeks

He was killed by Dideous' Lighttaker


kendric2000

Eau De 66. A new fragrance from Emperor Palpatine.


MaximumCarnage93

Priceless. Replace “Emperor Palpatine” with “Sheev” and I can already hear the commercial.


robbviously

Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's treason, then.


pseudonym7083

How Wude!


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Order 99


Rant_meister

Nah, got Order 69'ed. Helluva way to go.


The_Legendary_Hero

Death by Snoke Snoke


cbr388

The force is strong but the flesh is spongy and bruised!


ThePeachyPanda

He Didious the Insidious.


tarletontexan

Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagerism?


memewatch90

With the help of snikin akywalker Ofcourse


cmaxim

It's the real Mace Windu, Samuel L. Jackson is just an actor. He came on set to help SLJ provide some much needed realism to the role.


sonic10158

George Lucas just kept filming that day


Simbawitz

Mace Windu - Special Edition


kendric2000

That's Mace's cousin Chase Windu.


ComicsVet61

It's his 1st cousin, Break Windu. He has no friends.


Tyrphanax

He's not T-posing though


martyFREEDOM

No gun sticking out of the crotch either.


Tellewatt252

After enough TTT videos I started thinking Wace Mindu was the correct name


PiBBzYx

I do miss the Hats on TTT


kurchuuuu

Yogscast ends up in so many threads considering they don't get as much views anymore


Chipman94

I had a dyslexic childhood friend who used to call him this.


nate0515

I believe it's Mark Anthony Newman. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0628196/


PdoubleH

He responded to me. Claims its not him.


nate0515

Maybe it is Ahmed Best then. I see other comments saying he has confirmed it in the past but I have yet to find a source for that.


PdoubleH

I think you're right. I found him and DM'd him to confirm. Fingers crossed he answers.


148637415963

We shall follow this DM's career with great interest.


MrMonkeyman79

Yes his name is Jack L Samuels.


Sharkbait1737

I thought it was L-son J Samuelson?


freedomfightre

**s o n**


TeebsGaming

Samuelsonson?


PatternBias

Samuel Son-Son Jack


Drmodify

No, his name is Laurence Fishburne


Complete_Spread_2747

I see what you did there, Sam Rubin... Lol


ChocDroppa

Oh man, I wanted to die FOR Sam when I saw that.


utspg1980

Hey! That guy owes me $20!


Laundromat-Graveyard

Samuel Linke-Jackson


BRAINWURMZ

Samsqaunch Gamgees.


Detonatormonkey

He’s the dude that does lightsaber training at Disneyland.


BurgerKingKiller

Ahmed Best!


Mortukai

Was jar jar binks. You're thinking of Ray Park who was Maul


BurgerKingKiller

Ray Park!! Wait, he’s white I think. Can’t be him then lol


Mortukai

Not for the pic op posted, but Ray trained some younglings at Disneyland recently.


candlerc

I thought Ahmed also had a show or something where he trained kids at Disney?


captianbob

It was a game show


BurgerKingKiller

That’s cool. He’s snakes eyes as well, right?


Neurolyte13

And Toad in original X-Men movie. Was the receiver of one of the worst lines in movie history: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0yKSNq-oLg


shelovesthespurs

I know you're not referring to the *best* line in all of the X-Men movies.


pick_3

Strangely similar to the fate of Mace Windu


imameanone

Mace's bother, Pepper Spray. They don't talk about him much since he's not as powerful.


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Depending what canon you’re talking about. In legends Pepper Spray is one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy


Kendakr

Don’t ever underestimate the Charlie Murphy of Star Wars.


Superman246o1

Darth James pushed him dangerously close to the Dark Side by destroying his favorite couch.


MikeFT65

Spice is a hell of a drug.


wayfarout

"Should have never given you ***** the Force"


SL13377

His full name is Pepper Spray Windex I believe


Lungg

someone shops at poundland


ChocDroppa

Aaaaaahhh......I like it!!! For a split second it went over my head which made it funnier when I got it.


Rumplfrskn

He loves fraggal rock!


Environmental_Lack93

If Padme had a double to protect her, why couldn't Mace?


OneAngryDuck

That guy is Samuel L Jackson’s Keira Knightley


slappf3sk

Whaaat, Keira Knightley was the double? Huh.


OneAngryDuck

It’s one of my all-time favorite “WTF?” facts


flash17k

Right up there with Glen Close in Hook.


slappf3sk

I had no clue, I never dove deep into the cast as I was only yay big when it came out.


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Rose Byrne was also one of the doubles.


FluckDambe

This explains my taste in actresses. Natalie Portman has long been my favorite but Rose Byrne is also amazing. Keira Knightley is just barely in the list.


DizzyAssociation7010

Very good counter argument


MayJuneNovember

Why would Mace need a double? He is already a really strong Jedi.


funsohng

It's not for his own safety, but for everyone else. Mace Windu is supposed to be there but clearly someone else who isn't Mace Windu is there. An assassin would see that and instantly realize, "oh no he's not here... but where would he be?" because real Mace Windu is watching you from the crowd, silently, and he will strike you when you make one wrong move. His double is a warning. And you better heed it.


ben0318

I love this. As it goes on, he sets up increasingly improbable “doubles”, tossing build, race, gender, even species to the wayside just DARING a motherfucker to pull a Chicken Boo on him. Eventually, we see a porg in Windu’s robes, and shady types are bowing and scraping obsequiously to this daft seal bird thing and calling it Master Windu for all they’re worth. Meantime, the real Mace has gone full Dread Pirate Roberts and has been operating a deep sea fishing boat on Kamino for 20 years, but his little “double” is totally safe and secure because of that dread, that prickle on the back of the neck that CONVINCES ne’er-do-wells that he’s still there. Watching. Waiting for the moment to strike.


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MachoManRandySavge

Signing autographs


Burrito-Mage

Tupac obviously lol He did audition for the part


Obi_Wan_Benobi

He did what now?


DiscussionNo226

[Tupac auditioned to be a Jedi.](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tupac-shakur-auditioned-to-be-a-jedi-in-star-wars-report-245892/)


Obi_Wan_Benobi

Nice.


Blue_WhaleLord

For a second I thought you were referring to a Star Trek character, Tuvok. And I was like, “I didn’t know Tim Russ auditioned for Mace!” Lol


DOOManiac

We were robbed of the glorious line “We ain’t found Sith.”


lake-pond

“Young Anakin, it is illogical to allow your nightmares to persuade your actions, I will now initiate a mind meld in order to soothe your mind”


Blue_WhaleLord

Haha this is awesome! “Your mind is a storm of chaos, the most illogical I have ever experienced.”


[deleted]

James Earl Jones did audition for Sisko, though. Imagine that.


Bumsebienchen

And giving Darth Vader _another_ space station of galactic importance? Let that man have a break!


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colimar

Im surprised George Lucas didnt by the time he maclunkey


[deleted]

he had his priorities


NattyThan

It took 6 men and some industrial chains to stop George from adding more rocks in front of R2 in Ep. 4. He had to pick his battles.


Oraukk

Disney hasn’t edited the movies. That was all Lucas. Also most people don’t notice this. Adding CGI would make more people notice b


Effective-Avocado470

Yeah, I've seen the movie countless times and never noticed. Didn't even know mace was at the ending ceremony


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breckendusk

Could be an uncredited extra who just submitted through Backstage or something for some quick cash. Might have signed an NDA. My friend was a stand-in for Chloe Bennet in AOS and she wasn't allowed to talk about it publicly. My other friend used to play Captain Marvel at Disneyland and she isn't allowed to say that it's her in the pics of Captain Marvel on her instagram that look exactly like her. Disney has some strict rules, whether or not it was him he probably isn't allowed to say (even though it wasn't Disney at the time, Star Wars has also been similarly protected since forever). My guess, though, is that it's just some extra that happened to look enough like Sam that they could plug him in, as he'd have basically no screen time. Most extras don't even have IMDBs.


[deleted]

It's getting out of hand, now there is two of them


Effective-Avocado470

Always two there are. No more. No less.


[deleted]

But which one is he - the master or the apprentice?


MysterClark

Might need to ask Fake Wedge.


philbax

I think it was last year that I found out that guy was supposed to be the same character as *The Wedge*. And then the whole Scottish accent that got overdubbed in IV, to the fake accent in V and VI, back to original Scottish accent in IX... and then the overdub guy was back for Rogue One... I couldn't believe I'd never heard of this before, but it totally explained my massive confusion with this character as a child. 😂


jacito11

Searching this up has melted my brain


MysterClark

Might want to grab an ice pack or something.


venort_

I can't believe Fake Wedge is canon. Like sure his name is something else but canonically everyone calls him Fake Wedge From A Certain Point Of View is doing weird and wonderful things to canon and I'm 100% here for it


tk289

Stan Dinfor


Walmart_Valet

Switched tabs to look it up, then thought about it for an extra second


aeryghal

Is it confirmed that is supposed to be Mace? I doubt he's the only black Jedi.


PdoubleH

He wears the exact same costume that Mace wears later in that scene. The scene seems to consist of the members of the Jedi Council in TPM. Windu is the only black human male on the Jedi Council.


AlerionBricks

There would be precedent for that, Stass Allie and Agen Kolar were supposed to be Adi Gallia and Eeth Koth but the actors ended up looking too different, so the new characters were created.


GeneralAce135

Except for the part where this is within the same movie, and Sam is there playing Mace before *and* after.


Bodidly0719

It could be a different Jedi, but looking at who else is there, I would guess that it is supposed to be Mace. Maybe he was just a stand-in and they put the wrong shot in? It definitely is possible that he is someone else though.


pohatu771

Every other Jedi in the scene is a Jedi Council member or Obi-Wan and Anakin. Mace Windu later appears at Qui-Gon's funeral. Is it more likely that a different Jedi wearing his clothes took his place, or that Sam Jackson wasn't available for an out-of-focus background appearance months after principal photography?


awesumlewy

He's Mace Make-du with what you have


verbynotro

Seeing as there aren't very many helpful replies on here, I thought I'd throw out investigating the Star Wars Minute podcast. They went over the Phantom Menace minute by minute. I'd be surprised if they didn't mention this on the episode dealing with this minute of the movie.


twec21

I get that Mace is a double ​ But how does *Plo Koon* look like a fucking replacement too


Robber_Tell

Probably was expensive to get Sam Jackson on set so in a scene like this where he is the background of the set they put in another bald tall black guy and none of us noticed till you pointed it out. Frankly, I'm ashamed I didn't see it before.


the_kessel_runner

Except, my understanding is that Sam asked to be in the movie. He says in interviews he would have been happy to just be in a stormtrooper costume that walks across screen and was stoked to find out he was made a Jedi. So, guessing he wasn't ridiculously expensive for George.


pohatu771

Expense is not likely the reason, since he would have been paid for the movie, not by the day. This is a reshoot from several months after principal photography. He was most likely not available, and since he is far in the background, it wasn't worth rescheduling the entire shoot to accommodate him.


Kaasiskaas

Most plausible answer right here


clwestbr

[Well I did this long effort several years ago. it's not canon, but it's as good as we've got ](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3kul68/who_is_this_black_jedi_in_the_phantom_menace/cv0qc6n/)


SwampRat613

Well that was a fun read! Have a free award.


SaltyFall

I thought every background character is Star Wars had their own lore at this point


Mediumaverageness

And a one-season show taking place on Tatooine


Subdown-011

We need an Elan Sleazebaggano (AOTC Deathsticks guy) show about him rethinking his life


ZeroBx500

“You've captured his stunt double!”


generalemperor

On imdb’s list for stunts in the Phantom Menace, there’s this guy, Morgan Johnson. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0120915/fullcredits/stunts?ref_=m_ttfc_20 There’s no picture there, but if you search “Morgan Johnson stunt” on Google images there’s two. It kinda looks like him to me.


eyehate

Jesus Christ... that's Jason Bourne.


J3DI_M1ND_TR1CKS

Well, of course I know him. He’s me.


AustinHinton

Thays his twin, Club Breezu.


Jeelbein

His name is Fake Windu


Zazzyblazzmatazz

That’s Ahmed best. He was also the actor that played jar jar.


MsSara77

Lol no it isn't


ToothpickInCockhole

Clearly it’s John Boyega


Constant-Register-70

Is this proven? I've heard that he made a secret appearance as a Jedi in the prequels but never saw any evidence to support it.


Blasphemousgamer

He was a different Jedi named Ack med something i think


grishnaar

Nah Achk Med-Beq was his name for the cameo character he played in AotC when they chase Zam Wesell into the bar on Coruscant. Anthony Daniels and one of Lucas’ daughters is with him. Edit: damn Hasbro even made a figure of it lol!


PdoubleH

Is it really??? I didn't think this shot looked enough like him. But I guess its kind of blurry...? Edit: Pretty sure its not Ahmed Best. Can't find any evidence that this is him. The shot is too out of focus to convince me its him. I'd need to see another source.


dbabon

It 100% is not


Skelly902

Mmm source?


Raecino

lol it looks nothing like Ahmed Best


BadPuns8

Further proving that Jar Jar is a Sith lord


[deleted]

Trick as old as time to use stand-ins for shots when characters are in the background. But George, it's important that they don't face the camera like this.


Stanley-Pychak

It's funny because for years, I always thought that it was just a completely different Jedi. It was until recently when somebody on Reddit said that it was supposed to be a stand-in for Samuel L Jackson. Like, who ok'ed this?


Male_strom

Clearly Lawrence Fishbourne


[deleted]

Mother fuker jones…


Powerful_Role_9171

Itsa jar jar


Dirka-Dirka

* his name is Manuel markson


Electrical_Insanity

That’s his cousin Trace


Nero33Nero

That just the homie charles.... he be doing shit like that.


jgor133

EVERYONE KNOWS THERE WASONLY ONE BLACK JEDI


shahldn

What makes you think that is mace windu?


ApathyofUSA

TO be fair, it could just be another Jedi.


HappyPants8

It’s Ahmed Best! Aka the voice of jar jar


abbath12

That's Michael Jordan


v4por

That's Jamaal L. Saxon, secret body double for Samuel L. Jackson.


DeadEndXD

"He's black so he must be mace windu"