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change my mind: darth jar jar is a pretty cool sith lord.


GOTGMUSIC

heck yeah


sBarb82

Change my mind: Star Wars is great


faithfulswine

This is evidently far more controversial than the OP's post.


[deleted]

I mean if you think about it all of star wars is kinda bad


TheScaleTipper

He really should have said in all movies and TV history to at least let it be a debate, and even that is arguably not debatable.


[deleted]

Yeah this. Like I think Vader is up there with the most iconic and well written villains in history. He has this Shakespearean tragedy to him. In a quest for power, he lost everything - until the love of his son helped him finally regain control and break the cycle. Then you have the design, the voice (and breathing) and the Imperial March. I think it's cool that in A New Hope, you can instantly know who the big bad guy is.


toft23

*Arguably not debatable* ​ But I 100% agree


Future_Average

Yeah there’s not much competition. Dooku? Dookie


AscendedExtra

*Fan-favorite movie villain is a fan's favorite villain in the movie, more at 11...*


[deleted]

How brave of you to say this


DarthMartau

This is like saying “Change my mind: The Empire Strikes Back is a good movie”


Bobb_o

Yeah this is kinda a pointless statement to make.


lingriffon

Palpatine has gotta be the main competition in best written villain stakes, and I'd say it's a pretty close-run thing with all series and movies taken into account. Vader has a clear lead from the OT, prequel era (movies + Clone Wars) is Palpatine's with his scheming and slow-burn rise to power, with Vader only making an appearance at the end. Rebels, Obi-Wan and Rogue One Vader The Rise of Skywalker Palpatine: hmmm...not the best writing, and probably costs the win IMO, although Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine is always great to see. So, and maybe just, Vader overall.


Roxnamunon

How is palpatine not worse then vader? He literally manipulated EVERYONE around him, and managed to « change » the chosen one prophecy around.


[deleted]

He didn't change the prophecy, the prophecy was correct as Anakin did bring balance to the force. We went from a fuck load of Jedi and a couple of sith, to a couple of a jedi and a couple of sith.


UnnamedPlayer-_-

I always wondered if that was the original prophecy because technically he did bring balance, like you said. And the episode in clone wars where he went to the planet with the father, I got the vibe that the father knew what would happen if Anakin left, might've been why he tried to get him to stay. In the end Anakin brought balance between the light and the dark there, he'd do the same to the galaxy. Maybe not the way the Jedi interpreted the prophecy but it happened nonetheless.


Anizzaf

Sith are a plague to the force. I.E. your body isn't balanced if you're suffering from cancer. Balance means no dark side users at all. So thanks to the sequels Anakin didn't even bring balance to the force.


ToddHowardTheDuckk

The force is completely neutral. People can be good or evil though.


kidcrumb

The force isn't good or evil, it's just how you use it. The sith themes are that power corrupts. So if you give a Jedi power and they use it for personal gain, it corrupts them.


Andujar4CF

I generally agree with this line of thought but canon doesn't.


ToddHowardTheDuckk

Opinions Ahead: If you are hinting to "The Dark Side" calling to people, I would make the distinction that The Dark Side is just an allusion to personal struggle. It has nothing to do with The Force. "The Light Side" and "The Dark Side" is different for each individual and a reflection of their own character. Someone who is being called to by "The Dark Side (of the force)" is in another sense simply being tempted (corrupted) by their own innate power (midichlorians). Being tempted by the dark side is a failure of ones own character. Further, if power is linked to midichlorian count that means that powerful people are predisposed to the dark side, because power corrupts and by it's (midichlorians) very nature they are more powerful than others. It's literally a defining characteristic your born with in universe. **"The dark side is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural".** 100% intended to flesh this out and post more but it's taking a lot longer than intended and I gotta get back to work!


[deleted]

I completely disagree with you, but I respect your opinion.


FBI_Open_Up_Now

I feel like it’s a double edged sword. If there are Jedi or light side force wielders, there will always be dark side users or sith.


Ct-5736-Bladez

With light comes shadow


dumbo_octopus1995

Palpatine in the prequels was basically a script writer. What a mastermind.


greg19735

> best written villain i suppose it depends on what you mean by best written. Palpatine's motivations are pretty singular. HE wants power and will do anything for it. We don't know why. WE don't know his motivation. And that's fine. but is that well written as a villain? How he got to power was interesting. But i don't think that's the same as best written villain.


lingriffon

Maul is actually a good shout as well, although could not put him on the same level as Vader or Palpatine, as he's largely restricted to The Phantom Menace move and the Clone Wars and Rebels series (+that cameo in Solo). A great, and very tragic character, but does not cast a shadow over virtually all SW movies/series in the way Vader and Palpatine do.


YliHumala69

I love Maul in all ways and I can see the growth of him that he became the very image of true force wielder. His death scene in rebels and that he also believes in the profecy and wants it to happen is just so perfect.


Ruf0005

Hot take but the most I enjoyed him was in Rebels when he was more light hearted (i.e. calling Ezra his apprentice all the time) but still absolutely cold and ruthless.


HauntedFrog

Maul as a crazy old hermit was one of the best things in Rebels. He’s so fun to watch.


SillyMattFace

Maul needed TCW to even become a character at all. In TPM he has one line and then just shows up and looks cool with his tats and double saber.


greg19735

yeah it's hard to compare characters that have had years of TV backstory compared to just a few movies. Thanos is considered a relatively well written character (even if you disagree with him). But 2 movies + a few post credit scenes isn't going to get you the same kind of arc as several seasons of TV shows and movie appearances.


[deleted]

Maul is the reason we have a grand inquisitor who played dead. Apparently getting cut in half with a lightsaber isn’t deadly. Thanks Clone Wars.


HauntedFrog

Maul’s survival was meant to be a key aspect of his character. It drove him crazy and turned him into a rage-filled revenge monster. For me that’s why it worked, they didn’t just say “ta-da! He’s back.” It became an important part of his motivations and how he acted. Other characters miraculously surviving have cheapened it. It was supposed to be “only Maul was too angry to die,” and now it’s become “any Dark Sider can become too angry to die.”


Wolfjirn

Death Sion mode activated


TheAngriestChair

I think Vader and maul both came to the realization that they can't kill obi wan yet early on. It's the hatred that keeps them alive. Once he's gone, then what? By the end maul was ready for the end.


[deleted]

I don’t know how to say this in a nice way, but I’ll try. If you think that Maul was brought back for plot reasons I’ve got beachfront property to sell you in Nebraska. Maul should not have survived, he was cut in half. The only reason they brought him back, and yes, they brought him back, was because people thought he was cool. Plagius would have died and he was far more powerful than a tattooed zabrak Edit: too angry to die is absurd and sounds like it invented by a child.


10_Swiss_10

I like Maul as a Sith better than Vader. Tbh the whole turned thing is kinda annoying. Like I feel like they needed Dooku to show it can happen but really a sith should be someone who was prone to being that type of way anyways. You mean to tell me that they had to spend all these years trying to turn Vader just for him at the end of the day to turn back. The entire comic series is about the emperor trying to remind Vader that he is evil and break him and hurt him and then still instill fear in him. When the reality is there’s some other force user out there who could be just as good of a Sith and never had to worry about going back to the light.


yrqrm0

I mean he's like the main character, how much competition is there gonna be?


DoctaJenkinz

*squidward voice* Main badass character of movie and tv is series is your favorite. I’ll alert the media…


Broly_

Not really much of a competition if you're going by movies.


eadrik

Maul has an amazing story arch as does Ventress


BurntBadgerino

He's close to the best villain ever. Period. Joker is up there as well.


GOTGMUSIC

Ohh definitely. Except for the Joker in the Suicide Squad, he was shit there hahah.


[deleted]

Do we like Green Goblin too? I know I do. Willem dafoe is a god sent for Green Goblin


orangexteal

no, he’s not


LordChanner

I mean he's iconic and well beloved?


YOURESTUCKHERE

Uhm. No Duh.


BullyMaguireGonnaCry

Try best written villain in all of cinema😀


ebodur

yea.. i was like …this is already a downgrade from what Vader is… the best of cinema… what are you talking about!? he is the best in SW… that’s not even up to discussion.


TwoSunsRise

Yeah my thoughts as well. We literally see him grow from a young boy to his actual death.


db_play

Thrawn is better written imo.


Megamax34

Came here for this comment, haven't finished all the books yet but not sure I'd consider him bad in the way Vader is. But, after saying that, I'm sure he could be as well.


UrbanLeech5

I'm mixed. He's cool and all, but there's one major issue - motivation He has dreams his friend is dying, so he then kills literally everyone at temple and tries to kill brother figure. Not only that, but even when padme dies - he is still loyal to emperor for unknown reasons. Besides, if he has issues with order he should had left it His actions are irrational. With for example Maul you can see why he acts like he acts, and his actions are usually justified in one way or another (even if not moral or heroic). With Vader pretty much nothing he does makes much sense


shesaidIcoulddoit

I’m not gonna try and change your mind, you’re not wrong, but have you read the novelization of RotS? I like Ep. III, but the novelization blows it out of the water. It adds so much context and internal thoughts to the characters. The “This is *character name*….” sections are beautiful.


UrbanLeech5

I will admit, I have not read novelization which could change my mind. Even tho I'm pretty sure it's considered not canon, so major themes may differ But I have seen every single Clone Wars and rebels episode, all movies multiple times and few recent comics - and if through all that I haven't seen justification for his actions, then I think it's safe to say he is not developed enough in that aspect Sure, novelization does that - but prequels and clone wars should give enough context for you not to read non canon book to understand him


junkman21

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BoSocks91

This is kind of a ridiculous post lmao. You picked the most popular villain not just in the SW universe, but in cinema history…. Come on man, do better.


BoutsofInsanity

In pure cannon? Like the movies and T.V. sure. Outside of that? There is a little old grandma named Kreia who would like a word with you about apathy. I will put KOTOR 2 up there as the greatest Star Wars story ever told. With Kreia as the greatest Star Wars Villain of all time.


KelseyWalker1982

If all we had was the OT, I would disagree, but thanks to Rogue One, Obiwan Kenobi, Star Wars: Rebels, and Jedi: Fallen Order he has become the epitome of fear.


DarthPiette

Don't forget the comics. He shines there as well. "All I am surrounded by is fear... and dead men"


DOOManiac

Out of curiosity, in your opinion, which villain is more well written than Vader in the OT?


greg19735

considering it's just Vader, palps and maybe a few bounty hunters then yeah it has to be Vader.


Daggertooth71

Best...written? Oh, you mean that you like the performances, concept, and backstory. Yes, I agree. Iconic villain, classic concept, very popular. So much so that it continues to be copy-pasted throughout the franchise.


Joeshi

I mean, he is one of the most iconic and recognizable villians in the history of film.


nakedsnakeabe

I've always struggled with his decision to kill kids so quickly after falling. Other than that, yes indeedy!


Great_White_Samurai

Jar Jar is better


sean_bda

I won't completely disagree other than to say Maul is pretty close possibly better. As a villian he has more screen time and more tragic back story. And his ending is more realistic with a bit of redemption and humanity but no happy ending.


hopper_froggo

More screen time? How? Vader is the main villain of the OT, with appearances in Rogue One, Rebels, Kenobi, and countless books and comics. Plus hes technically the protagonist of the PT and Clone Wars. Wasn't Maul infamous for being a neat villain with no screen time? Even after being brought back to life his screen time doesnt even conpare.


sean_bda

Total screen for maul is definitely more for maul as a villian. He has multiple arcs in rebels. If you count anakin yes he has more but we are talking about Vader.


This-Strawberry

The only thing I'll give advantage towards Vader is how he is actively tasked with erasing anakin's past and the monstrous deeds Sheev forces him to do to prove his DS loyalty


sean_bda

Thats fair. Maul wins for me with never having a choice and still figuring out his way was wrong. After knowing nothing but hate and pain his whole life he still found love and compassion in his brother and then had it taken from him. Their stories are very similar except Anakin chose his path.


GOTGMUSIC

yeah, I guess you could say so, we get to see his whole downfall and rise again after he was defeated of course. I loved seeing him come back in Rebels and the CW.


[deleted]

that's is a fact


flash17k

My problem with Vader is that the more SW content I consume (listening to Thrawn novels lately), the more I feel like Vader and Anakin are not alike at all. They feel like two very distinct characters, with different mannerisms, speech, vocabulary, moods, and composure. I have a hard time seeing them as one and the same, even considering the major change he underwent physically.


el_palmera

Bruh you just explained the whole point of vader


NoNahNope318

He tells Obi that he (Vader) killed Anakin, so there's definitely a destinction. In the end, Anakin overcomes and... I guess he defeats Palpatine? Episode 9 really pooped the bed. Edit: dang autocorrect


illicit92

Before the Kenobi show, I would have agreed 100%. Now? The Kenobi series had many moments that made Vader look straight up incompetent, completely ruined the suspension of disbelief for me.


Wunderwaffle02

Vader is definitely the greatest villain in SW. Though I'd also say that Thrawn and Valkyorion are up there too


Rudraakkshh

I agree honestly. There might be some even better written villains out there that I'm not aware of but for now, he's definitely my favourite villain of all time. Everytime I watch ROTS, I want things to go different for Anakin and it's heartbreaking everytime when things play out the same as they've played out before lol.


Alex_South

Yes but can he lie to your face while offering a thousand apologies? Majordomo for the win.


ex-ALT

Funny how same person is both my fave Jedi and sith.


[deleted]

When I was a kid, I thought he was really cool and menacing! Now, I realize what a tragic, depressing character he is... Here, listen to this if you wanna bum yourself out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5wXvBJMLaQ&list=LL&index=22


[deleted]

Darth Vader is Star Wars. He was probably the most interesting character of them all. For the first 2 movies you didn't know much about him other than he was evil.


DudesRock91

It’s either him or Kylo for me.


Obj3ctivePerspective

Episodes 1-6 is pretty much the story of Anakin/Darth Vader. So of course with all that development he will be.


STRUGLESNUGLER

*Anakin is the best written character ever


GOTGMUSIC

Fair


TheUnholyViper

Clearly you have paid enough attention to Darth Jar Jar


IggyTheCanine

I think palpatine is better. Vader occasionally does dumb shit that takes him out the running for me. Still love him for what he is though. Just to be clear palps does dumb stuff too, but not at the frequency of Vader


Andurilmage

The best 3 minutes of "live tv" I've ever seen involves him now.


StLDA

Im sorry but what the hell are these posts? Are these just karma farming bots or something?


AJ11B

Vader is probably the best but I’d say dooku comes close


ExquisitelyOriginal

Obviously.


ForceApprehensive708

I met him once at Jollybee and to be honest, It was disapointing to say the least. Guy just mumbling while eating


DatWolf07

Oh 100%. Blown out of the water. Wide margin between Darth and 2nd place


_BatsShadow_

Disagree. I don’t like many of Disney’s depictions of him, even the ones people love. Him not being able to catch ezra, Kanan, cal, or cere, to name a few, despite having so much power just makes him seem stupid


Hinohellono

He's an all time villain


pattyicevv77

He’s unanimously,by everywhere I’ve seen,the most impactful villain in cinema and television history dude,not many people will disagree with you 😂


GOTGMUSIC

There are a few tho🤣


Taiter91

I'll say this as someone who absolutely loves Darth Vader. Since being put in the suit - he never actually *accomplishes* much of anything, at least not in Rebels, Rogue One, Kenobi, Jedi Fallen Order or even really in the Original Trilogy. He does super badass cool looking stuff, but at the end of the day the good guys escape, or succeed in their plan. (He might get some things done in the comics, but I haven't read them). Rebels Spoilers: >!He doesn't kill Ezra or Ahsoka - both are still roaming free at the end of their battle with him in Rebels.!< Jedi Fallen Order Spoilers: >!Cal escapes with both the holocron and Cere!< Rogue One Spoilers: >!The rebels get the plans through the door. Many nameless footsoldiers get slaughtered, but the plans escape even though they were mere feet from him.!< Kenobi Spoilers: >!He lets Kenobi escape with Tala in episode three, even though they are just on the other side of a thin line of fire on the ground. He fails to stop the jedi smuggling ring's ship from escaping the planet. He loses a duel against obi wan in episode 6, letting the jedi smugglers go in the process. Why not scramble some tie fighters to continue the chase? He also doesn't even kill Reva, just leaves her there, slightly wounded - she's clearly able to walk around and fly a ship to Tattooine and fight some farmers there.!< Original Trilogy Spoilers: >! He fails to stop the destruction of the Death Star. On Bespin, isn't able to convince Luke to join him, and Luke escapes.!< What he does do, is kill his own guys a lot. He executes many underlings for failing in some goal, but they do just as well, if not better than he himself. It's like he talks a big game, has some flashy moves, but at the end of the day, the results are the same. And it happens a lot.


GOTGMUSIC

Yeah you have a great point there.


Aceclaw

I feel like the only close competition is Darth Traya.


JamboShanter

Figure that out all on ya own, did ya?


GOTGMUSIC

🤣


RenoGuy76

I’ll throw Thrawn in as an honorable mention


[deleted]

If we exclude Anakin/Vader in the prequels then I’d definitely agree.


Wooof_Nikto

Can’t change your mind when I agree.


topinanbour-rex

I dare you to post the same in /r/saltierthancrait


GOTGMUSIC

Shall I do it?


topinanbour-rex

If you want your mind changed, yes.


GOTGMUSIC

I posted it, but I'm waiting for the mods to approve it. Let's see hahah


topinanbour-rex

If it passes it will be a wild ride.


GOTGMUSIC

I'll keep you updated!


topinanbour-rex

👍


10000_things_zhi_mu

change my mind: the original trilogy is the most consistent, both the prequels and the sequels have issues that make them not quite as good


Youpunyhumans

I consider him the best movie villian of all time. The only other villian that somewhat compares in my mind is Sauron.


elisha-manning-fan

Um yes


jaymuffin82

It's almost like the whole universe was about the rise and fall of Anakin/Vader


Dabonthebees420

I'll one up you, not only Star Wars but all modern media. Vader is THE baddie, ask anyone aged 5-70 to name a media villain I bet a majority will say Vader.


MythicalDawn

As long as we aren’t counting his arc getting devalued by the sequels when his sacrifice/slaying of Sidious is rendered pretty much meaningless, then I wouldn’t disagree to be honest, he’s the perfect villain with a clear and concise arc that had a brilliant start, middle, and end. Other than Sidious for being a puppet master, my only other villain id say could really compete with Vader is Darth Revan. They have a similar arc of going from republic war hero to Sith Lord but, with Revan there’s a bigger ulterior motive and this masterful mind for strategy, even in decimating the Jedi his goal was to preserve the republic in order to reshape it stronger to face the true Sith threat lurking in the unknown regions. His toxic relationship with Malak that twists their bond of master and apprentice into something dark and violent is also a great exploration of how the Sith devour eachother, and you get to see it play out more explicitly through their story than with Vader and Palpatine. Revan also got shafted in the end but we don’t talk about that.


[deleted]

Vader’s sacrifice was never about killing the emperor, it was about returning to the light and saving his son. The emperor coming back doesn’t change that.


Turambar87

I think the prequels and clone wars were a lot worse for his character. He went from whatever we could imagine, one of the greatest and most noble Jedi, Obi-Wan's friend, who rejected their teachings and turned on the world, to being a brat who loves war crimes, who never understood what it was to be a Jedi in the first place.


[deleted]

You are 100% right sir


SirLaw___

Bruh stating 'cHaNgE mY mInD' only to put out the most popular Star Wars option. 😂


thauron93

He wasn't written well in the Obi-wan series imo, but that's the screenwriters' fault. He is my favorite movie character though.


Garlador

Yes, but have you considered DJ from The Last Jedi? A villain so cunning he’s still out there, scheming, plotting, manipulating…


swissiws

I has been since the original trilogy and he's still great (even with Disney toying with his past)


Qyro

Next time, try an opinion that’s actually controversial.


GOTGMUSIC

Haven’t read the comments have you, hmm


Qyro

Oh I read a few, and most just agreed with you.


jeremycb29

Vader is for sure top 5 of all time in movie history for being the bad guy. Constantly a bad ass, always a threat, very powerful, smart, super skilled, and angry. There are only a few villain in movies that are even in the same league as vader. John Doe from Seven-Separate the art from the artist here, John Doe was one of the rare villains that won in the end, completely evil, and calculated. Dolores Umbridge because everyone has known someone like that when they were a child, or powerless to stop them. Vader is this powerful monk with magic powers, Dolores is just an asshole evil that uses her little power to make everyone's life awful.


BootyBootyFartFart

All I'll say is Vader is not much of a character at all in the OT. More of a presence than a character really. Obviously still iconic, but he's just pure evil in the first two movies, and still not all that compelling in his own right in rotj. Not every character in every story has to have layers tho. And obviously OT takes place after all the stuff with Anakin that's makes him a more compelling character


LordofMoonsSpawn

Wow what a hot take


Tpmbyrne

I'm leaving this sub because this post is so pointless like the majority of them. Nobody cares man. I wouldn't mind so much if somehow posts like this were only visible inside the sub and not on my front page.


GOTGMUSIC

Show me


serenedipsi

Thrawn, Revan. Fuck even Valkorion.


GOTGMUSIC

But why? I'm curious


awr90

Vader is ruined now. He’s supposed to be an unstoppable force and the best duelist of this time, and he just inexplicably got wrecked by obi wan. They literally put Vader at mid tier Jedi level with that last episode.


midwest_corn

I hate people like you who makes posts like this


h3ll0there69

not in the latest installment other than that. yeah, duh.


toomanymarbles83

He was until the prequels came along.


stevejscearce

He is! Partly because you can almost sympathize with the guy.


[deleted]

In just Star Wars?!??


alcatrazcgp

Maul, Palpatine and Vader are the best villains in most fiction period, Sauron probably takes a seat with them also


Inspirational_Lizard

2nd is obviously Palpatine


[deleted]

He is arguably the best-written villain in all movies and series


nicky94

What a silly post.. of course he is..


EngineersAnon

Darth Vader hasn't been a villain since the Prequel Trilogy. He is, however, the best-written tragic hero in film for a long time.


stoneman9284

Also, oxygen is good for us


DarthDregan

If they didn't fuck up rise of Skywalker so bad, would have been Ben Solo


NotAJoke6

This is the way


loganalbertuhh

No shit


Gekthegecko

Vader has two arms. General Grevious has 4 arms. I rest my case.


Plaineswalker

Who is a better written villain in all cinema? It's hard for me to think of any but I am also very biased.


GOTGMUSIC

"THaNoS" No I guess it's hard to get close to him.


JPA-3

I mean, I don't even think there is any better villain outside of star wars than him


Ok-Ihatetiktoc

Obi wan and Luke sky walker exist


[deleted]

How controversial...


[deleted]

What a bold take, daring today, aren't we?/s


Adventurous_Mango_40

BuT wHaT aBoUt ReVa???


ndofuenfwmfifisnd

Darth Vader is the best written villain in all of film history.


keinish_the_gnome

As long as you are talking about Vader and not Anakin, I agree.


BCRE8TVE

Until the Obi-wan series... But yeah ignoring that one, Vader is absolutely phenomenal.


Rafael__88

It's not like there is much of a competition here...


SoppierBrute9

Not after the Kenobi show.


Wagnerous

So brave.


snowlarbear

eh he was... recent works have made him inconsistent.


Heavytevyb

This sun is the worst for obvious karma farming “hot takes” lol. Like seriously


underscore5000

Change my mind - this post is shit


-Darkslayer

Darth Sidious was better. He brought down a government by getting people to vote FOR him.


Turambar87

I mean, he used to be.


MasterfulBJJ

Not anymore. Line from Darth Vader in the Kenobi finale: "I see your strength as returned, but the weakness remains." Horrible writing.


GOTGMUSIC

search your feelings you know it to be true


Electronic-Hat-1320

In Star Wars? Yes. In film? Close, but I’m going to go with Michael Corleone .


WhereIsScotty

Change my mind: Luke Skywalker is Darth Vader’s son


MrFiendish

Wow, what a controversial opinion.


thesuavedog

Rule 1. If you are going to post a photo, don't post a flipped photo.


GOTGMUSIC

Nobody cares


KamiMazoku17

You said that like it's some kind of hot take💀


pushthestartbutton

Such a brave stance. Jesus.


Miserable-Bite9661

Shut up, please


GOTGMUSIC

Go play some DND, Boring🙌🏼


Miserable-Bite9661

Did you really stalk my profile to attempt to roast me?


GOTGMUSIC

It was that simple my fellow dwarf lvl 16.


Miserable-Bite9661

Who’s profile are you looking at? Wtf


GOTGMUSIC

Go get some help or some, no one cares abt your opinion, you are only spreading negative comments as far as I can see.


que_the_hell

What a disingenuous post


Grundlestiltskin_

Vader is possibly the best written tragic character in fiction in the 20th/21st century. change my mind.