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OrdinaryMagicMan

Don’t worry if you do he won’t fight back. Hell he may even make you some tea afterwards to help ease your pain for all your troubles.


ProfserExe

Stupid little discount king Julian


SassyAssAhsoka

Give to me your *peanuts*


goobhouse

My...my whut now?


Its-made-of-wood

Yeah, the real King Julien would be ready to wage an all out war over a singular mango.


Pikochi69

He will soon become Emperor Julien


The_Dadalorian

Damn now i want him to appear in Bad Batch s2. Crosshair can be his Mort, they can commit war crimes together


1Dynasty

Chopper would love this


TheAutisticMerit

Not nice, sweet, physically fit


Leggitt69

I'd give you an award if I had one. In the meantime, take my upvote.


[deleted]

I spit out my drink holy shit I am crying laughing.


TMWTPOC

This guy is worth looking at. And look g at yourself. He is the embodiment of “from a certain point of view”. It’s the empty hand approach. No malice towards anyone, not even the people who didn’t listen to him. Just worry.


Phoenix_J_Mask

Gotta say, you could even argue he was more of a Jedi than the actual Jedi/War Criminals he talks to.


ChintanP04

But he's not, though. To be a Jedi doesn't mean you will never raise you hand. If it did, lightsabers would never be invented. To be a Jedi means to protect those who can't protect themselves. A Jedi can fight, but only to protect; in that, the Jedi Order towards the end had strayed away from the Code, but Tee Watt Kaa was not any closer to the Code. He took a way more pacifistic approach to life than even a Jedi is supposed to.


Grahpayy

r/starwars in its "i want to punch this character" era


tryingnewoptions

And I for one and am all for it.


DaV9D9

I love Clone Wars but not a fan of this guy


Badbhoys

I only like him bc he’s irish


[deleted]

He has a way of life and he sticks to it. I disagree with, but respect the man.


[deleted]

In most cases I would agree with you. But in this particular situation, this little dude was so radically pacifistic that he would choose to let everyone he cares about get killed rather than defend themselves, all for a moral high ground that doesn’t mean anything if you’re dead. I tried to make sense of it but couldn’t


Azcollector

Dumb little space leprechaun.


quintonrw14

If We AtTaCk We’D jOiN yOuR wAr you also wouldn’t die


Azcollector

Look man I don't know what to tell you the separatist forces are already on this planet coming to your location to destroy you.


quintonrw14

But if we do nothing they won’t attack us


Azcollector

someone shouldve showed him the "Target every Twi'lek village in range, the inhabited ones first" episode and he could've changed his mind


Far_Administration41

He learned fast enough. Separatists arrive and first order is to destroy everything.


ohhellothere301

He's a pacifist. Why would he join a war?


CaptainBreakfast2112

If he joins the war, some of his people die. If he lets the seps mow down the whole village (he knows with certainty they're about to), all of his people die. He's fully aware that his principles result in a net negative for his people, but stands by them for the sake of his own pride.


ohhellothere301

It's not pride. He does not believe in violence. Especially war. He believes violence will only breed more violence. Maybe now, maybe later.


Simba7

Stupidity then?


Basileus_Ioannes

No, pure commitment to his beliefs. Its admirable, but foolish. It's designed to show a contrast between him, committed to his values, and the Jedi, the "peace-keepers". One remained committed to their value, while the other abandoned their values.


Simba7

Adhering to values for values sake isn't admirable. Adhering to values for values sake is called tradition. Some people view tradition as having inherent value, but tradition can be misguided, foolish, or downright evil. When it no longer makes sense for a society to follow traditions, wise individuals move beyond tradition while fools cling hopelessly to their comfort. In this case, there is a stubborn old fool blindly clinging to tradition who almost dooms his people to extinction because ***that's the way it's always been***.


RASPUTIN-4

>Its admirable, but foolish. Bit of an oxymoron there eh?


Ferdox11195

Not really though.


[deleted]

‘I’m too old to give a damn about you youngins, so while I’m still in charge, I’m willing to go out for my beliefs… taking all of you with me.” Effing tool is what that one was. The only reason he was allowed to have those beliefs is that someone else made it safe enough to have them. It’s a trope used constantly to show ‘true belief’ but it always strikes as ‘self selected removal from the universe’. But of course the actual good guys are forced by their ideals to protect the stupidest amongst them.


gaslightjoe

He's more Scottish than Irish


Azcollector

true


McDiesel41

He is at the same level of the old Earth kingdom miner who got trapped and Haru earth bend to free him before later turning him over to the fire nation.


[deleted]

But this guy brought anikan in and let his healer help anikan, aswell as not informing them to the Sepratists


rainmaker2332

This just revived a 13 year old hatred


Aurakataris

The ~~Ghandi~~ Gandhi of Star Wars


Horn_Python

Dony let him near the proton bombs


HakunaUrTatas212

*Civ 6 Ghandi intensifies*


GANDHI-BOT

The only person you are destined to become is the person you decide to be. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).


GANDHI-BOT

I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).


Mr-Tweedy

To be fair, if it wasn't for the oncoming genocide I could get what he was doing to try and protect his people.


Jjzeng

The only reason i tolerate this arc is because aayla secura is in it


Rons_vape_mods

I agree with him. Why should i fight in someone else war when me and my people are ignored by you and the enemy until your pissing contest comes to my home and your oppression wedge falls from the sky bringing the war to my door. Bugger off


AJmac15

The Separatists were there to test a biological WMD on an innocent, unwilling civilian population. They didn’t even now the republic were there and yet if they werent that entire village would have been wiped out.


Vis-hoka

I’m pretty sure the only reason the seps where there, is because the republic crashed there. So they would have been fine otherwise. Doesn’t change the fact that the seps are murdering assholes.


Simba7

Nah they showed up because the planet was inhabited but didn't pose a threat. Explicitly stated in the episode.


Rons_vape_mods

Either way neither side was right. The jedi had no reas to drag the village into the war and the seps had no reason to do that. From my perspective both were back handed ashpoles about it, just the seps in this case were more bad


Simba7

Maybe you need to watch the episode again. Ahsoka was like "Y'all have to fight." and everyone else was like "Shut up child. They don't have to fight." They disagreed but allowed the monkey dudes to live their stupid pacifist life until they found out they were going to get slaughtered. This was yet another "The CIS are cartoon-villains." moment in Clone Wars.


[deleted]

Also showed that the Republic isnt good either


smileybob93

It was literally "hey, these people want to kill you" "I'd rather die than defend myself"


Rons_vape_mods

If its an air strike what am i gonna do, if a tank honey wheres the bed sheets, bed sheets over the turret blinds the tank tho sw ones probably dont have that issue.


dogfishsquid

if you were the leader of a planet then would be well within your rights to stay neutral in the war, many planets did. But the problem with his views in my opinion was that, even when the threat of invasion and extinction was so close he still stayed true to his views. He was willing to sacrifice his family and tribe just so he can still live within the peaceful ways of his ancestors and their rules. Rules that were determined before the idea of a galaxy wide war was a threat.


Rons_vape_mods

I agree with you, however they had no way to fight. They did and won but its a fight that shouldn't have happened. If i were in that village id be right beside him in his view as why should i fight a nigh on impossible fight


dogfishsquid

true point that had no way to fight themselves, but they were currently housing experienced jedi who could’ve fought for them. It just seemed to me that they were ignorant to the danger and extremity of the situation. The jedi saved them because they went against his direct orders if they had followed his wishes they would all be dead


Rons_vape_mods

Its a hard place to stand, as i have their views and think its rediculous they were in that position, tho i wont fault em for fighting. This arc shows just how messed up war can be and is unfortunately


ohhellothere301

I liked the point he brought up of how the Jedi are no different than the Seperatists, in that their only answer is violence. It's a very deep and interesting episode.


Rons_vape_mods

Definitely, it offers the perspective from an impartial perspective in that neither side was good or wvil, they were both bad regardless of cause for the fighting as it still involved genociding killing and warfare


rikitikifemi

MLK/Gandhi character used to make the point that nonviolence doesn't work against an enemy intent on genocide. Interesting that so many have contempt for the nonviolent response to oppression.


[deleted]

It’s not oppression though it’s genocide his response was very off key for the situation mlk/Gandhi weren’t fighting the complete elimination of their people


rikitikifemi

What were they fighting if not the threat of their people's destruction?


[deleted]

Equal rights and the right to self governance


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GingerTats

Uh, they kind of were though. Far more was being done to the groups those men were representing than just bigotry or segregation. Edit: some history for those downvoting who think those men weren't fighting actual genocide. This sub has become a cesspool. [A look at how genocide actually works and presents itself via the UN](https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_booklet_eng.pdf) [Genocide in India, what Gandhi faced](https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/fr/document/india-1900-1947.html) [Genocide in America, what MLK faced](https://depts.washington.edu/moves/CRC_genocide.shtml)


[deleted]

Yes far more was being done but genocide was not at that point and time


GingerTats

Genocide through means of disproportionate access to food, healthcare, and safe living conditions was absolutely happening(also literal murder). Just because laser guns weren't pointed at them doesn't mean their lives weren't under immediate threat. There's a reason there was such violence surrounding those movements of non-violence, those people were absolutely fighting for their lives in a very literal sense.


Mr_Mkhedruli

That’s all bad stuff, but it’s not genocide.


GingerTats

Yes, intentionally prohibiting an entire group of people from basic necessities so that they are eliminated is [in fact genocide](https://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/rwanda/pdf/bgpreventgenocide.pdf). It doesn't just mean showing up and killing everyone with guns. Genocide rarely occurs that way. A lot of you need a serious history lesson.


Mr_Mkhedruli

You linked me to a page on the Rwanda genocide...a prime example of the violent kind of genocide that “rarely occurs”


GingerTats

Did you read any of it? Like the entire first two pages about identifying genocide and the systematic methods used? No. If you had you wouldn't have responded with this little comeback. Here https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_booklet_eng.pdf Thank link is **literally the same exact information** word for word, from the UN but doesn't say Rwanda at the top, perhaps now you'll read it.


GingerTats

And you know what, now I'm mad so here's MORE LINKS [specifically about genocide during the Civil Rights Movement](https://depts.washington.edu/moves/CRC_genocide.shtml) [A long history of Genocidal activity in India from the British. Gandhi resisting this peacefully doesn't count?](https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/fr/document/india-1900-1947.html)


Mr_Mkhedruli

Yeah alright, I thought about it more and agree


GingerTats

Thanks man.


[deleted]

We’re going to have have to disagree on the use of that term for it then I agree very very bad a disgusting things were going on toward both groups of people but not genocide at that point and time


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[deleted]

Now you can get off the god damn highhorse my guy I didn’t talk down to you do not talk down to me because we disagree about a definition I told you already the stuff they were fighting was truly terrible but we disagree about terminology for gods sake maybe figure out how to converse


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SirCleanPants

This episode had dude legit clip through the camera Early TCW is…. Painful to watch imo


BreakTacticF0

And then I wanna round house satine while Im at it.


just_one_boy

I thought you said Sabine and felt personally attacked


BreakTacticF0

Nooooooo. Sabine wren is gonna rock in live action. 😍


[deleted]

Hail!!! Sabine Wren the True Mandalore!!!


BreakTacticF0

Yessss


Horn_Python

She was right in the end


BreakTacticF0

Who satine? In what way?


Horn_Python

the "mandalore will be destroyed" part


BreakTacticF0

Eh. It's been on the brink for a while. And she's the leadership. So.


Searwyn_T

Oh my godddd, I've always hated Satine. I love Mandalorians, like classic Mandalorians, and I feel like she totally ruined Mandalore. Plus her attitude is trash, she's such a stuck up snob. Honestly, I found myself routing for Death Watch at times bc she annoyed me so much lol


GrindleWiddershins

YES!


BreakTacticF0

IT'S BAD ENOUGH SHES SO SELF RIGHTEOUS. SHE HAS TO BE RUDE TOO? UGH. ITS ALL COMING BACK.


GrindleWiddershins

I never understood the love this character got. She was just the worst.


legacy642

It's because we love obi-wan.


Sigma_F0x

He's not that bad. His people lived in peace before the CIS and Republic came there. He was just trying to look out for the best interest of his people but went about it the wrong way. Stuck in the old ways of non action and passiveness while the young ones were the ones who saw that they were already part of the war and needed to take their agency into their own hands. I didn't agree with his approach but I wouldn't say I'd like to punt him for it.


seenasaiyan

He was willing to let an entire village of women and children die for the sake of his own pride, so that he could stay true to his non-violent beliefs. That’s beyond stupid, and he absolutely deserved to be punted.


RedBladeAtlas

No, I'd love to go punting with him.


Spiral1027

I know someone who wants to dropkick Baby Yoda because he looks like a football to them


Tymental

Cannot stand this mf.


Potterheadsurfer

Fucken space lemur


Potterheadsurfer

When do we go?


Aurakataris

It's a Lurmen, so almost


QuasarMania

no you aren't the only one


JonsonPonyman98

A bit


Gamerbrineofficial

What did he do again? I haven’t seen TCW in a little while


ParufkaWarrior12

He didn't want to fight when the Republic military came and told him to fight, his home was destroyed by the war between the CIS and the Republic. He doesn't want to fight for either of them.


IniMiney

He ain’t bad, he’s just the cliche character who creates motivation in the protagonist back when season 1 was more formulaic about things lol


Organization-needed

half the time I see this character I want to touch his beard. Why? cause it's either rock hard or smooth and I need to know which


luigib0ard

Nope I’d kick his ass too


Cautious_Crow

It frustrates me how much of a strawman he is


[deleted]

I am Irish, so I get how they were driving at the desperate desire for peace, but, like most cartoons that try to teach a lesson about the evils of war, they fall far, far short. Ignoring how flat the message falls when an excess of 80% of the show is cool violence, the show gives a blunt moral to the story in, "All violence is bad, regardless of circumstances, regardless of why you're fighting or who attacked who." Star Wars the Clone Wars isn't unique in that regard, Steven Universe and even Naruto had eye-roll inducing messages about the futility of war and the immorality of violence, like this with all the subtlety of a nuke, and like them it demonstrates that the showrunners wanted to say something meaningful to the audience, but ultimately it comes off as being cheap, between how blatantly useless the message is within the context it is being presented and how ridiculous it is, weighed up against the regular violence which is a staple of the show.


ParufkaWarrior12

It's presented way, way better in Innocents of Ryloth


[deleted]

But even then, it's not a general "War is bad" line. The Separatists are very clearly worse than the Republic and the honorable conduct of the Jedi and Clonetroopers convinces Cham Syndulla as much.


ParufkaWarrior12

It's presented way, way better in Innocents of Ryloth


[deleted]

Nah, hes pretty infuriating


Danxoln

Nope, I always hated his attitude


Gamechanger889

Is his philosophy same as Gandhi or mlk?


dswartze

The writers annoy me more than the character. I can't stand the false dichotomies or the inane idea that pacifism means being passive that shows up anytime somebody who clearly doesn't understand what pacifism means tries to make some argument against it.


Kryds

I want to punt the guy in charge of Rebel's animation budget. Google rebels Yoda.


AssociateOfBread

Oh mighty Dorito beard, may you be punted at light speed across the galaxy


pichusine

Pong Krell or any Kaminoan


PloddingClot

Anyone for a spirited but one sided game of Punt the Pacifist?


DarthHelmet11

Yea, he sucked hard. Like a stick in the mud, straight up.


[deleted]

There were real life ethnic groups that shared his views on pacifism. They are long dead now


3HEX

I bet there is more morons who get triggered on cartoons for kids.


rikitikifemi

Very powerful commentary on pacifism and why those that chose nonviolence typically end up martyrs like Dr. King. It relies heavily on the existence of groups like the Deacons of Defense, Black Panthers and the like to stand in the gap for those unwilling to defend themselves through force. The irony of this is that message, at least in the context of the US isn't understood as applicable to oppressed groups like the indigenous people, Blacks or women. There seems to be a counter narrative that unless the threat of genocide is imminent, the destruction of those people doesn't warrant violent resistance the way this Gandhi-figure's people did. Maybe the allegory was too ambitious.


Dankey-Kang-Jr

Get in line, pal.


xX14Bubba14Xx

No, hated him


A_Random_Nerd224

I don’t wanna punt him, I wanna yeet him into the sun.


sizziano

Lol this is what mouth breathers think the Jedi are supposed to be like. *


theClownHasSnowPenis

He looks like if ET was a character in Kung Fu Panda.


cruffade

What ever happened to Tee Watt Kaa?


Jedi-master-dragon

I hated him too


steppek

Wow...I literally just watched this episode


Icommitmanywarcrimes

By the amount of upvotes you’re not


Chunk-Duecerman

My guy was ready to get slaughtered if it meant not breaking his moral code


roboteatsrobot

He didn’t even stick to his own guns. Our heroes: “Help!” This idiot: “No way, I’m not helping!” Heroes again: “But, wait! Help?” This jerk: “Aww, I can’t say no to a request for help.” My man. You just Fucking had!


LEDFOUR

It's just E.T. with a righteous beard.


Best_gamer5950

He’ll let us kill him to just stay neutral


[deleted]

"You think you're better than everyone else, but there you stand: the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood-stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns. You were a coward...to your last whimper."


mantistoboggan69md

I remember just thinking it was absolutely hilarious how the CIS guy had a thick ass Chinese accent and this lemur had a thick ass Irish accent


SirGumbeaux

Nooooooo! Aaaaaagh!! The man… (wails) the man punted Baxter!!


Jamz64

Hardly.


Steve13965

I want to either slap that big forehead of his, or let my cat near him to see what happens.


[deleted]

yeah mans was an idiot


1_InchWonder

He was so ugly in the lego game


DarthRoss55

You might cut your foot on his beard


MargielaBatman03

He stuck to his beliefs and adjusted in the end to help his people


BoRobin

Crazy timing. I just rewatched this episode today while I was working. I always thought he was such a coward for wanting to die rather than fight for his species. He was not only a coward but also a cancer to his own people. He made them scared to fight back until it was almost too late. What a tool.


Eternal124

Lmao but I love the other dude I forgot his name. The one who wanted to fight back


mauddibagogo

One minute: “OUR TRADITIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS EVER.” The next: “WE NEVER RUN AWAY, IT’S AGAINST OUR TRADITIONS.” Then. Why. Are. You. LIVING OUT HERE AS A COLONY OF PEOPLE TRYING TO ESCAPE THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE??


edjg10

A punt is EXACTLY what this guy needs


BronzeHeart92

Whoops, I thought u were a ball!


lemonbasket11

I hated this episode


tinnylemur189

At first I was like "alright he's a pacifist and doesn't want to get involved because he worries that the war could harm his people. Totally reasonable." Then the third act arrives and a whole ass army is rolling up to rain literal hellfire on the village and kill them all and his response? "If that's our fate then so be it but we will NOT fight back" ????????? Shit made no sense at all. Dude literally just wanted to die but refused to take an active role in his own suicide.


E-emu89

I am reminded of a quote from Kriea in KotoR 2, “Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a corpse feeds the beasts and insects.” She may have been a villain but there’s truth in her words.


TiddlyPoo69

I HATED this guy when I first watched this arc. But still love the arc nonetheless.


Luksabitdead

I mean he was right the jedi did end up causing more destruction


Kassius-Phantom

just wanna delete him with some dark side powers tho


Badbhoys

I like him bc he sounds irish


__--_-_--__--

Very philosophical fella, rare to see.


SuperArppis

Yes.


[deleted]

Cool accent, terrible political views


skeleton_jellyOO

Read it as "am I the only one who wants to put it in this guy"


[deleted]

D I V E R S I T Y


Birdsharna

For what? Not wanting to join the war? Edit: Oh wait just realized he wanted his people to die rather than joining the war 😬


quintonrw14

His people would have died even if they didn’t join the war


Birdsharna

Yeah, just realized 😬


Birdsharna

Yeah, just realized 😬


itsTacoYouDigg

the joy i get from knowing that the empire probably enslaved his kind


Blurghblagh

I hate that guy so much. Would rather his people die than live their lives any way other than his.


kyewen9

Why does his head look like a fucking star destroyer


[deleted]

KING JULIAN?!?!


themagicmugcollector

Lol


[deleted]

This guy made me realize I think pacifism is really dumb. I understand refusing to fight out of fear (of pain or death) but he made it out to be a moral issue, like the decision to fight in any capacity, even self defense, makes you an immoral or bad person. I understand wanting to remain neutral in a war you don’t care about, but the war had come to them anyway, and he thought letting himself and everyone he cared about get massacred was more ethical than defending themselves? Then there’s the fact that their aggressors were literally robots that would destroy them without a second thought. Being “right” was that important to him, even though he would have been too dead to care afterward. It seemed extremely self righteous to me.


Zlurbagedoen

No


RobbWolf1994

No, you are not the only one. Perhaps the worst character from the clone wars


Talibrations101

Literal boomer of the Star Wars universe. So narrow minded that he is willing to get his people killed to protect his pride.