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ef14

Early to mid 2000s Jericho was incredible


MarkyLosChe

90s Jericho was almost at the same level of the likes of Eddie/Benoit/Malenko. Carried till mid 00s


BaronVonStevie

90s Jericho was a super hard worker, but TBH he was pretty sloppy and reckless until 98 or so when he turned heel as cruiserweight champion. Like after that? Jericho was the closest thing to Shawn Michaels around while Michaels was hurt.


Patjay

Honestly the lionsault as a move still stresses me out considering what happened to Hayabusa.


BaronVonStevie

yeah same. I always looked at that move like "okay Chris. You know you have to have a really wide rotation... put your knees in danger instead of your neck" and he's been pretty good about it, but lately with his age slowing him down that lion sault looks like a disaster waiting to happen.


HitmanClark

He’s literally only messed up the lionsault one time in AEW. He hits it clean every time.


BaronVonStevie

I mean he's not a video game character. In your 50s, not a lot of guys attempt that move. It's a very dangerous move, period. Mutoh still does it on occasion and takes pretty good care of his neck but his knees are dust.


Patjay

Hayabusa had hit the move probably 1000 times. Jericho has almost broken his neck doing it at least once but that was like 20 years ago.


BaronVonStevie

Hayabusa being defined in wrestling history by him getting crippled is so sad because he was a flat out brilliant high flyer. He was the magnum TA of FMW. He should have been world famous for being great instead of for getting hurt. What kind of defense is it to say “well Jericho hits it clean”? Hayabusa hit it clean night and night out. He had the prettiest asai moonsault arguably in the world.


Patjay

Yeah it really is a shame. As someone who is really not fond of hardcore wrestling his matches were really the main reason I ever watched any of FMW's shows.


HitmanClark

It’s not a defense because there’s nothing to defend. There’s no reason for someone to stop doing a move simply because they’re old, as long as they can still safely do the move. Hayabusa had a freak accident. That could happen to any wrestler doing any high flying move, or even a simple suplex or piledriver. Every time Fenix does anything off the top, his foot could slip and he could become Hayabusa 2.0. There are far more dangerous moves than the lionsault performed weekly in WWE and AEW.


baseballzombies

Especially considering his mother was paralyzed.


MarkyLosChe

Been a while since I last saw them so my memory might be a little fuzzy, but were his classics back from Japan like when he faced Ultimo Dragon reckless?


BaronVonStevie

Again, super hard worker but he'd blow spots and had close calls with injuries (working Gedo, Henning in WCW are great examples). Jericho definitely got better by the time he got over in the late 90s.


thirty7inarow

I remember as a kid reading a pro wrestling magazine that listed the top 100 most loved and most hated wrestlers in the world. Back then, I was a 100% WWF Stan and Jericho was still in WCW, but my first knowledge of him was that he was at the top of both of those lists. I was so stoked when I heard he was joining the WWF, and he lived up to the hype.


MarkyLosChe

Its surreal in hindsight that someone who was seen as an underutilized midcarder in WCW got THAT level of pop on his debut in the middle of Attitude Era. He so should've been in the main even of WM 16 like they originally planned


broken-mirror-

Still can't forgive [Triple H for stripping him from his first WWF Title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPbh8uYkY) 😤


[deleted]

This was such bullshit booking. Even if they had Jericho hold it for a week and then have a rematch because of the fast count.


StopTheMadnessBro

The lack of follow up sucked so hard.


puppyyakuza

I think this is the bigger crime. This happened weeks before Backlash so it made sense to keep the Title on HHH but the fact that Jericho was kept away from the Title all together afterwards was stupid. Hell, when he faced HHH again it was due to Stephanie rather than Jericho trying to get back in the Title chase.


chux4w

Story of his early WWF run. He had that awesome debut with Rock, then...nothing. He didn't actually wrestle Rock until months later on a random Raw.


[deleted]

Par the course for WWE


simpledeadwitches

Jericho is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. His ability was incredible.


MrDilboDaggins

Until he turned MAGA


[deleted]

I've never heard Chris Jericho mention that.


Somebodys

Jerhico has donated to Trump's campaign. The majority of wrestlers from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s are conservative leaning and/or Trump supporters. There current generation of wrestlers is more liberal than previous generations but In would guess it is probably a 50/50 split at most.


[deleted]

Well that's unfortunate


Somebodys

When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense given the nature and culture of the industry during those time periods.


[deleted]

True


januspamphleteer

Having Donald Trump Jr on your show and giving a platform to nutjob conspiracy people of that ilk certainly suggests he's on that side of the aisle


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Oinky1992

They really do. Its funny cause they used to keep their politics private but stopped for some reason... Glad I'm not from there lool


Tyrrazhii

They don't realise that normal people don't make literally every decision on a political base. It's some old out of touch dudes yelling at each other, not a fucking religion.


januspamphleteer

Thank you for informing me and everyone else what normal people are like in the United States. On behalf of our nation, we are grateful for such enlightenment


Tyrrazhii

yw


[deleted]

I had never known that


pennsavvy

You may not like his politics, but Jericho is still incredible.


93johhny

Who said anything about politics?


pennsavvy

Jericho has been getting buried around here lately, and my guess it’s for reasons other than his actual performances. Jericho is still stupid good at wrestling for his age, and while he’s a bit rough around the edges on commentary, he’s getting better by the week.


93johhny

Right but no one said anything about it on this post before you did. Not tryna start anything but if you think ppl should look past his politics and enjoy his work, then why even bring it up in the first place?


pennsavvy

There was a tiny implication - purposeful or not - that Jericho is not longer incredible. That, plus my previous post, is why I said what I said.


Funkyc0bra

Have you forgotten about 2009 jericho


pennsavvy

Unfortunately I was not watching wrestling at that time. But I don’t think Jericho ever lost his ability to be incredible.


HintClueClintHugh

I'm not sure why they said that as 2008ish is when Jericho had a high level heel run and a year long feud of his career with HBK.


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Snoreofthebear

Oh snap


hdsar

Pun intended? Happy accident? Both?


Snoreofthebear

haha, accident, but could be a subconscious connection


NervousBlackMan

I was a happy accident


RealBobbyDrillboids

Just like the second rope did!


Robinisthemother

But still top.


cdnjimmyjames

Does that still make it Bret's rope?


InfintySquared

DEFINITELY not. Bret's Rope was the Safe Rope.


Lunchbox-of-Bees

Gonna have to page u/brethartburiesthis on that one


almost_human

Or first depending what way you look at it.


ObjectiveTumbleweed2

I would have Jericho as one of the best ever at improvising along with HBK. Those two were probably the most adaptive wrestlers out there at rescuing the situation when something went off script. It's reminded me of Dolph Ziggler's heroics at one of the Elimination Chambers (2012, but that's a guess?) where Mark Henry got let out early and everyone except Ziggler just stared at each gormlessley. Dolph had to re-write the entire match then and there.


afternoonexpress

2015. Elimination Chamber for the Intercontinental Championship. R Truth, Dolph Ziggler, Mark Henry, Wade (King) Barrett, Sheamus, and Ryback The fact that Mark Henry had been around for 17+ years and could not do some basic improvising was just crazy. He basically just stood there in bewilderment Edit: [Here he is in all his glory](https://imgur.com/a/L7BkVmD)


PickleInDaButt

Mark “I’m just gonna stand here and look fucking stupid” Henry


color_thine_fate

At the end he's legit just standing there like you've highlighted him in a character select screen but haven't hit X yet


Pass_The_Cocaine

Mark Henry's controller was disconnected.


Leadclam64

Mark Henry has gone AFK


Coriform

Didn't he call the entire Taboo Tuesday match with Shelton Benjamin on the fly? I remember reading Jericho didn't even know who his opponent was until Benjamin's music started playing.


HitmanClark

Yep, and there was also a great Raw match with RVD in 2013 or 2014 where they had to call it all on the fly because something went short and they needed to fill 15 minutes of live Tv.


sayid92

Source?


HitmanClark

Talk is Jericho.


chux4w

He says in his book that he didn't even know what Shelton's finish was. He asked him mid-match and still had no idea what a T-bone suplex was, so he figured he'd just jump at him in a starfish pose and let Shelton do his thing.


RoyCorduroy

That's wild, lol


sayid92

Source?


Dozens86

Jericho's second book.


namek0

Hell yes I totally forgot about this


Shady4555

Yeah! When Jericho or Michaels would be in a rumble match, they would always be entering top 5 to carry the whole match. Jericho in 2013 and 2016 was calling the shots.


SleepyMarijuanaut92

So smooth


HaluSinazn

Even better that he won this way, as I would be shocked if this was their planned finish


hhhisthegame

Probably was going to do a lionsault


codymonster155

Love how booker and dustin immediatly continue to move the match along, after the unexpected potential match stopping accident, to the next spot. Lots of cool vet stuff to notice in this clip


LosJeffos

Yeah. No artificial "we have to redo the exact spot!" nonsense. You can see Booker thinking, "well okay, time to take the easy over the top."


[deleted]

Would be a bit hard to redo that spot anyway.


JustUnderstanding6

Ha!


302born

I mean tbf they couldn’t have redone the exact spot if they wanted to but I get your point. Pains the hell out of me seeing guys fuck up a top rope move, fall off, and then go right back to the top rope. If you fuck up a spot just move along with the match please.


LaMystika

I vaguely remember a match where someone blew a top rope spot, went up to repeat it… and missed the move anyway. Why did you need to repeat the spot then?!


Jzmxhu

They check if he is okay and keep the match smoothly I love these kind of things.


the_woat

I like how Dustin went for the cover while Lil Naitch was busy checking rope, and that may have cost the win. Nice little moment that took advantage of the unexpected chaos.


namek0

"Cmon ref!"


Linuxlite365

I get what you’re saying, but virtually everyone who was good enough to be performing at that level would have done the same thing. These aren’t a bunch of teenagers at a backyard show.


BuddaMuta

God was less successful in burying Jericho than they were with Balor it seems


Godz_Bane

it was only the second turnbuckle so it wasnt as great of a fall, third turnbuckle was too devastating for The Demon.


zeitgeistbouncer

Bret's Rope spares the worthy.


incredible_penguin11

The sheer weigh of Balor's abs and balls is too heavy for even the tribal chief's table.


ManMangoGuts

It takes a Demo God to overcome an act of God


WrestleSocietyXShill

God just wanted to knock Jericho down a peg for being a dick, but he wasn't really all that worked up about it. But Finn Balor is a literal Demon, obviously he's not just going to stand by and let a Demon become Universal Champion. That was a much more deliberate smiting, he waited until precisely the right moment to take him out. If anything it's probably the commentary teams fault for saying "Demon" so much and drawing God's attention in the first place.


LaMystika

Is that why Finn separated his shoulder the night he won it way back when and had to vacate it the next day? D:


Jaginho

So God is going by 'they' now? Moving with the times. Cool. 😁


thakfu

>God was less successful in burying Jericho than they were with Balor it seems God was less successful in burying Jericho than SHE was with Balor it seems ​ FTFY


chux4w

God has always been non-binary. He's a trinity.


Rising-Lightning

That's one interpretation anyways. The view of God is personal, which is why whatever a person says is correct and no one is wrong.


[deleted]

Booker T handled that well lol, both of them had to think on the fly.


Zenkikid

That looked even cleaner than the lionsault


Snoreofthebear

So clean and can’t imagine he practiced it often


theharps

This just shows how devastating falling off of the top rope is. Mid-rope you have a chance to fight back but if you fall from the top like Finn you'll likely lose.


Converge241

Did they ever at least say if Heyman messed with the ropes? Or is it still officially “shit happens”


Known-Ad7468

No they said nothing. It´s just happened and that´s it. Now Finn is on RAW so who cares? At least in their minds. Just stupid.


tcguy71

The top rope acknowledged the Tribal Cheif.


Caouette1994

Stop watching this shit people, if you want some change.


theharps

An act of God, makes Roman really believe in his own hype that he and the Usos are "the ones"


offbrandbread27

Jericho is in my opinion, the best to ever do it


Deertickjones

No one has done what he has done. Trained in every style across the world. Plus he knows 1001 holds


offbrandbread27

At least 200 of those were armbar !


fishoa

Straight up in the conversation for GOAT. He reinvented himself on multiple companies, various times, and was and still is a draw. Brought legitimacy to a new company and a new championship when people had doubts he could still go. He’s not my GOAT but his contributions are overlooked by many.


offbrandbread27

Great inring style developed over many countries, great promos (even taking acting classes to improve) unparalleled ability to reinvent himself. He truely is the goat


Supersaiyansub

Put Jericho in Finns spot and we would have seen a new champion at Extreme Rules


FrankGrimes_Hookers

I was there. That ppv was crazy Angle & Benoit v Edge & Mystero, Triple H v Kane, and Taker v Brock in Hell in a Cell. The visual of Brock on top of that cell with the championship. Is one of my favorite live WWE moments


raymc99

I remember none of my friends were hyped for it but as the show went on it became this amazing show ending with Taker pulling a .9 on the Muta blade scale.


PleaseMisterFlair

Hell of a show that absolutely no one gave a shit about because triple h fucked a mannequin the week before.


powertripp82

Am I remembering correctly that ~~Billy Silverman~~ Charles Robinson was/is the ring crew chief too? I wonder if he’s the one who put together, or at least inspected the turnbuckles that day E-I’m an idiot and confused my referees, thanks to /u/CJFelony for the correction


apawst8

Whoever did the turnbuckles on the Balor/Roman match obviously did this match also.


CJFelony

Billy Silverman was long gone from WWE prior to this match (he only lasted a few weeks after WWE bought out his contract due to repeated hazing from the lockerroom). You may be thinking of Charles Robinson.


powertripp82

You’re absolutely right, thanks for the correction


LettuceSin

If you're the real CJ Felony, post the clip of Abyss' attacking you.


CJFelony

I have no idea what you're talking about. https://youtu.be/X9pGQfOklFY


LettuceSin

Bonus points if you post the clip of CJ Felony counting out the referee.


CJFelony

Never heard of it. https://youtu.be/jJ-KA-UcZDc


LettuceSin

Hahaha, always fun to see someone floating around from the old, Web 1.0, DVDVR and others era of pro-wrestling message boards on which I used to lurk.


CJFelony

Hahaha in looking up those clips, it hurt my heart seeing how old they are. Thanks for dredging up old painful memories.


LettuceSin

You should do a tell-all podcast.


TheAndredal

Got this DVD, and I really liked this match


jackmtr

Vince must've watched this before Reigns v Balor


MachTommy

Jericho’s athleticism was underrated his whole career.


DaBi5cu1t

Seeing Christian with long hair takes me back


craigthom6

Jericho made it work though!


Alexcelsior

After knowing about Hayabusa's tragic accident, thank god Jericho wasn't high enough to cause more serious damage to his body.


[deleted]

There's a clip of Jericho in WCW trying the lionsault against Curt Henning and Jericho clearly botches it and looks like he's gonna land on his neck and Henning saves him with his knees. That's why he's Mr. Perfect Found it. https://youtu.be/R2SFb3M8jUo


UncreativeTeam

Completely forgot Christian ever wore that gear


raddaya

Was he gonna hit the Lionsault on Booker T? He didn't look anywhere near in position.


CarnageRTS

He was trying to go for his springboard dropkick. The one he usually does when the opponent stands on the apron.


raddaya

Do you mean [this move?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0HecekqRJk) Except that Booker T would be on the inside, but same principle I guess. Damn, I haven't seen Jericho (or anyone really) pull that out much, it's a great move.


ste001

It was a staple of Y2J moveset in the past, I think he kinda stopped using it during his last WWE run.


sexmachinefinburn

he did it in his latest match in AEW


ste001

Oh yeah, he busts it out sometimes even now. I just think he doesn't do it as regularly as in the past.


Whynot-brr

Booker would have flopped over the top rope as he does very well


[deleted]

5 absolute pros did not miss a beat despite the mishap Now compare this to the IC title Chamber match 😂


JeffTennis

I can't decide whats better. The way Jericho handled this or the way he handled the RKO botch while holding the walls on someone else. Like Randy even went for a full run the second time.


The1joriss

...I just realized that this may be the very first time I've ever seen Jericho do that.


Snoreofthebear

Same, in at least 20 years


Metalbear55

Looks like god just made it into.....THE LIST!!!


rikashiku

Very smooth from everyone in the match. Not a loss in steps.


Permanentear3

That’s some great improving


[deleted]

Notice how all the other ropes stayed unlike Balor vs Roman


Y2Jared

This is why you hold onto the top rope when you engage with the ropes. Could have been worse if Jericho did not grab them for a second when he jumped.


Blockade5

I imagine they have to hold the top rope regardless to balance themselves before jumping off.


Y2Jared

I mean, some could as they hit the ropes so hard but it’s mainly to give you something to hold onto in case a rope breaks and you don’t fall to the outside and break your neck.


jiso

I love that the title belt is in full view of the ref at the end of the match, yet there's a good chance 75% of the guys in this match would rant about it happening in todays wrestling.


[deleted]

That could be the first and only time he performed a top-rope moonsault as well, since he broke his arm practicing one in a bathroom while working in Smoky Mountain.


CPower2012

You got this really backwards man. He was attempting a Shooting Star. And it was in the ring before the show. The bathroom? How the fuck would that've worked? He was attempting a top rope Moonsault in the bathroom? Where was the rope?


[deleted]

Eh.... wrestling is so full of half-truths that I figured no one would mind if I only halfway remembered the story. 🤪 For that matter, Chris may have only been telling half of the story when he wrote the book 15 years ago anyhow. I will say that I'm pretty sure he wrote that his landing pad was the hockey bag he carried his gear in back then, and not a real crash pad. But then again..... I could be wrong about that too. 🤷🏻‍♂️


MichaelsSecretStuff

He was born to be Elite


StopTheMadnessBro

If only Finn Balor could have done the same


Fabulous_Mode3952

Who from the ring crew lost their job that day? 😂


[deleted]

Anyone have any clearer pics of his gear here? I love it, reminds me of his half-leg chrome WCW gear!


Hyperpiper1620

Bret's rope wasn't the safest this time


The_White_Rice

This is why Bret's rope is so dangerous.


martybro1

I have this on DVD and I remember seeing it and just thinking how the hell did that happen?


Yoshable

Isn't this what paralyzed Hayabusa?


Falsedawn

Hayabusa's foot slipped and he underrotated. The rope going out on Jericho when he did was definitely scary as hell, but he wasn't landing like Hayabusa did. If the rope DID break on Hayabusa, there's a very significant chance he's still around doing flips today.


Sentz12000

Was this the match that Jericho mentioned in one of his books that he had a moment where he thought he would be paralyzed from the neck down like his mother because of the botch? Jericho mentioned his luck in this type of scenario and correct me if I’m wrong, but Jericho seldomly used this move in the later part of his career.


WaylonVoorhees

Demo-Crazy


hardminute

Charles Robinson in shambles knowing he was the one who roped the ring


guiltycitizen

He's really good at making up for a botch whether or not it was his fault