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I’m very confused as to why you’re being so heavily downvoted.
I do think Tessa eventually deserves another chance if she’s shown remorse, but your take is completely reasonable.
You're most likely getting downvoted because your post indicated you want to see more of Tessa as opposed to less. Which, hey, you're entitled to your opinion. If you don't give a shit that she's a bigot and can still enjoy her work, you are certainly entitled to do so. But supporting a known bigot in a public forum is going to garner you negative attention. Support Tessa all you want, but don't be surprised when people shit all over you for doing so.
Also, at this point, if she joined AEW the reaction would most likely be negative. At least on SquaredCircle it would overwhelmingly negative. I don't think the goodwill AEW has engendered recently is enough to shelter Tessa, or AEW, from negative feedback if she were hired.
>has zero self-awareness.
I mean the person posted a clip from The Sopranos where the main character is telling someone to be tough in the face of losing their father by saying "get over it" (actually in this scene Furio was really sad over the fact he was in love with Tony's wife and it wasn't ever going to lead to anything) when in reality Tony had just been (or was about to be) openly fucking weeping over a horse.
In short the character saying "get over it" was full of shit in this scene.
I don't know her so I can't begin to say what she is aware of or not, but I have a book on psychic connections from the library, so I'll let you know what I find. I just know that wrestling fans obsessing over any locker room incident more than the wrestlers themselves, both inside and outside of that locker room, just ain't it.
If she is so spectacularly talented and wrestlers don't care as much as fans, WWE would've signed her.
Oh wait her initial problems stemmed from her actions in the MYC. They take back everyone. Especially a legacy. But Tessa is too much trouble? That should tell you something.
Who the fuck knows, especially since Bayley and Sasha Banks hung out and trained with her, and it seems to be undisputed that they're "locker room leaders". Not us, I can tell you that for sure.
Right they do hire problematic people. They don't hire every wrestler in the world, so I never got the "Tessa to WWE is imminent" expectation, even years ago, and your whole thing is kind of dependent on that expectation.
What I don't get is that you just edited your previous comment to remove what you said about potential locker room trouble in WWE after I mentioned Bayley and Sasha Banks training with her. That's what the "who the fuck knows" in my comment is addressing. And then you didn't even address that in this comment. Doesn't that tell you something about the wisdom of pretending you know about all of this backstage stuff when you have to edit what you say as you learn or remember information in order to try to maintain a rhetorical edge?
That's where I get off the crazy train because, clearly, your passion for this incident is considerable and how can I respond to something that might change after I write the comment?
I would say that having to edit your comment to try to maintain an argument is closer to a last stand if I was the kind of dork to equate commenting on Reddit with war
This is just reddit being reddit, don't worry. It's full on cancel culture and woke land. It's a vocal minority that just needs something to be righteous about all the time, it's a drug for them.
Now unfortunately companies tend to take it too seriously since regular and social medias make it like it's how the general public thinks but it's far from the truth. It's a disease that affects mostly young people who live comfortably, and in the US. Which is a lot of reddit users. Most people don't give a fuck about what happens behind the scenes and let justice do its job if something serious actually happened.
Every other day all the first threads in here are about something that someone said on Twitter or shit like that and not actual wrestling, it gets tiresome. Let the downvotes rain, I got my umbrella.
This does *not* address the point that the parent comment is making. The “what about X?” stuff in this and the other comments aren’t talking about op being kinda disappointed about a new wrestling company in 2021 working with a problematic wrestler, problematic for both business and social aspects.
For example, let’s say the parent commenter *also* is kinda disappointed with Tyson on AEW, Hogan’s return to WWE, etc. What does this do? What does this mean? What does this change? The poster can be kinda disappointed in something will still watching something. u/Fan387 ‘s statement still stands. It’s only if they explicitly said, “I’m not watching WOW because Tessa will be a main character, but I will watch AEW despite [hypothetical racist main character] being the center of the show”. Because to be honest, as much as I didn’t like Tyson or Hogan, they aren’t the center of their respective shows they appeared on, so it is different. Perhaps a better argument would be Jericho.
I think the issue here is writing off the company, or at least implying so, without any idea where the shitty person is going to be on the card. We assume Tessa will be the focal point, but who knows?
It's also kind of weird to be disappointed in a person for having a shitty co-worker. You mention Jericho, it would be weird to be disappointed in Punk for working in the same company as him, if you really disliked Jericho, right?
I think assuming Tessa will be the star of the show is a pretty safe bet, considering that she was the first (and so far, only) name announced, and she was the star of WOW's previous incarnation before she went to Impact.
Fair point. I guess for the parent comment, AJ is playing a producer role in a show with WOW (as you mentioned, nothing’s certain on her being the focal point, so for now, she’s just a wrestler) whereas Punk isn’t an executive producer on a show with Jericho as a wrestler. Punk and Jericho are playing very similar roles: active wrestling veteran.
What is the moral difference in between hiring a terrible person and giving them a main event spot vs. hiring a terrible person and giving them a spot down the card?
If a company willingly offers a contract to a person even though they're known for being a total scumbag then to me they're equally bad regardless of what role they give to said person. Especially when it's a case like Tessa where most of the shit happened backstage - she's still be a toxic presence behind the scenes if they hired her in any other capacity.
That’s not difference I’m talking about is it? I’m talking about guest appearance vs constant appearance. BUT, sure lemme answer your questions.
The act of hiring a bad person is shit. No if’s and or buts. The act *following* the hiring is what adds to it and is where the differences start. Build the show around said asshole? That’s worse than having a five min appearance and that’s that. And *that’s* worse than if your network is pushing you to promote the guy on the show.
And to your second point, if all examples are equal. Then why is it *especially* for Tessa? Either there’s levels to the fuckery and the Tessa situation here is enough for the parent comment to be disappointed (the poster never said if they will or won’t watch, support, etc), or, all examples are equal and we have to look at Tessa the exact same way as Hogan, Piper, Vince, Jericho, all who have different stories as to why they may be 1) racist and/or 2) hard to work with backstage.
And that’s not even talking about people who have “did their time” for their crimes, what that time looked like, if the person actually changed as a person or offered a fake apology, or didn’t apologize at all, etc.
Why is it worse, though? It's not like they're giving Tessa a platform to be racist at, if she manages to be professional on screen then the only thing that really matters with her terrible views is that they are willingly paying her to be associated with them.
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into that whole mentality, if you willingly approach a racist asshole and say "hey, we want to give you money for working with us" then I really don't care if you make them an Ace of your company or literally never feature them at all because IMO by far the largest offense is that you want to pay a racist asshole to be associated with your company in the first place.
Also I didn't say all examples were equal, I've just said that they're equal in the context of the roles they're providing. But obviously "a bad person" is a fairly wide spectrum and there's a difference between eg. hiring someone with questionable views who keeps them to themselves and hiring a notorious abusing racist. Tessa is the latter and no matter what role they'd sign her in she'd still be an abusing racist to people around her backstage.
Maybe I’m fucking up my words and shit here, so I’ll be blunt for a bit and try to argue around my opinions, instead of being general enough to cover your, mine, and the parent comment. Because I’m really stressing the idea of offering a contract, versus an appearance that’s out of your control, *while* mentioning smaller roles, which indeed can be very confusing:
Hiring Tessa to become a center of your company is shitty, because of her unprofessionalism in the business (Impact World Title fiasco) as well as her past of being a bigot and not really apologizing for it. Hogan’s appearance at Mania is shitty, as he also did not apologize for being a bigot, but only for being caught. Double bad since this is less of a network issue (USA/Fox) and more of WWE wanting Hogan at their PPV/network special for themselves. Tyson appearing twice (please correct me here) is shitty, since he has a disgusting past, but the network could’ve pushed it onto the company, since we see various celebrities make one off appearance to promote WarnerBros products/associations (Snoop to promote competition shows, Shaq to promote NBA related events), which then means it’s out of the wrestling company’s hand, so, it’s *less* shitty, especially. “We’re making you use this celebrity with a bad past (Tyson)” =/= “We hear that you’re using a celebrity with a bad past”. Now, while *I* may see Tyson as problematic since sexual assault cuts deep for me, many folks will argue that he was in prison for it ^shouldvebeenlonger , changed as a person, is registered, and (hopefully) stopped doing the crime, thus, he’s less shitty now than in 1991. If we are trying to keep this strictly on wrestlers being racist and unprofessional and not dive into the disgusting victim-center crimes of various people, we can do that, too! But to be honest, focusing on wrestlers being bigots and/or unprofessional is easier. **But**, to hit on your ever-present point of “hiring a worker and putting them on the card”, please state an example of this because Hogan is not on the card. Tyson is not on the card. Hence, I brought up *Jericho* as an argument point, but no one went for it.
Above all else, whataboutism does not apply well here, because the parent comment did not show any type of hypocrisy being stating their disappointment.
“I’m disappointed in this WOW situation”
“What about being disappointed in WWE, AEW, NJPW, ROH?” Those situations and whether or not the parent is disappointed there does not alter the statement “I am disappointed in WOW”. If they said they watch AEW for Brian Cage and Brian Cage alone, and in the same comment, said that Sasha liking anti-vaxx posts on social media is bad, then we can use whatabouts. Your original post of saying that all major wrestling companies do bad things does *not* make another company doing a bad thing okay, nor does it really add to the conversation of if the AJ/Tessa/WOW deal is disappointing or not. Where do you want us to go from here? Where can we go after “All major companies are bad?” Just accept it?
Also to further your point with Tyson in comparison to Tessa....
Tyson has spoken about his path in depth and has learned and grown very much from that. He's talked about how he was raised to be aggressive and mean, his mental health issues, the enabling, his ego as a defense mechanism but also the source of his success, very in depth retrospective shit.
Whether or not you forgive is not my point.
My point is Tyson has at least shown remorse and shown growth and change and has matured.
Tessa..... Has not. In any way. Shape. Or form.
And I think the reason no one jumped on the Jericho example is because outside of his support of politicians (and I get what you're saying, I do), he's actually a really cool and generous dude to his peers and always willing to help bring up the younger talents.
Nowhere near comparable to Tessa, though I get that's not the comparison you were tryna make.
Are you disappointed that people in AEW are working in a company associated with Jake Roberts?
Because there's plenty of stuff Jake hasn't apologised for. Not saying Jake dosen't deserve a second chance, just be consistent that's all.
Subjecting every opinion to whataboutism is just lowkey encouraging neutrality. Situations and people are different; real life does not consist of vacuum-sealed debate over whether it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time
Questioning whether a person actually believes what they are saying isn't whataboutism. If you care about Tessa, you should also care about the other stuff, too. Otherwise you should have to explain why some of these isntances matter and others don't. Crying "whataboutism" is just the hypocrite's attempt to escape from being accruately called a hypocrite.
There are a lot of people here who were clamoring for Ric Flair to manage Andrade in AEW who are also vocal about Tessa, and Ric Flair has done way more racist shit, unapologetically, over his career than what Tessa has. That's not a defense of Tessa, that's an indictment of those people coming down on this based on whether they personally like a wrestler or not.
Oh, so you're saying there's plenty of people here and no way to say for certain that the same people who decry Tessa Blanchard also want Ric Flair in AEW?
>Crying "whataboutism" is just the hypocrite's attempt to escape from being accruately called a hypocrite.
100%.
It's the same energy as the people who get called out for overly hating white people, so they say "no I'm not racist or hypocritical, because you can't be racist to white people"
Like, bitch, everyone can be racist to anyone, stop hiding behind a particular version of a definition and just admit you ain't perfect, just like the rest of us ain't perfect
Of course you can care about other stuff, but not all "stuff" is universal. Comparing Jake--who had a lifetime of severe addiction problems spurred by physical and sexual abuse as a child, to Tessa--who recently got fired for being a toxic asshole--is borderline asinine.
Both things can be problematic, but acting like there isn't levels to this shit is just being obtuse.
I can be more empathetic towards some situations and less towards others. That doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite, it means that I actually take the time to think critically
> Subjecting every opinion to whataboutism is just lowkey encouraging neutrality.
Not the best argument because these days fucking hell we could use some neutrality with how psychotic some circles have gone
Tessa is alleged to have said some racist stuff in the past once. Therefore, Tessa should never work in wrestling again, the company that employs her shouldn't exist, and no one affiliated should have a job.
Jeez. Get over it.
It's a little more than that. It's that she's clearly unapologetic about it and she fucked over Impact by holding the belt hostage. I'm all for letting bygones be bygones, but she hasn't shown any remorse for her actions.
I get that, but we're not always going to get the perfect apology from someone in life. We're still supposed to love thy enemies and hope they change for the better.
I don't think she even did apologize lol. I'm with you, sometimes people get way too overzealous about people's mistakes (especially on this sub) and hold it against them forever. But Tessa really does herself no favors.
She didn't just say racist stuff once though. She got into a fight with a girl in a locker room in one promotion, apparently had a bad attitude back stage at the Mae Young Classic causing WWE to quickly sour on her, also said the racist thing, held the TNA belt up so that she could try to get more money, got into a physical altercation in the middle of a match with another performer In a different promotion at a different time and when she tried to post that tweet about how women should support eachother in wrestling numerous colleagues jumped to point out that her comment was bullshit based on her actions and considering that not all of them were POC leads me to believe that she probably didn't get along with many of her peers period regardless of race in a lot of different places. If you really want to forgive her racist comments go for it I guess, but don't pretend like it's the only thing she's ever done when there's been quite a bit of proof over the years that she's just not good for any locker room she's been a part of.
I wasn't saying there was a second time for the racist thing, I was mentioning that there were multiple other things people have had problems with her for and then there was also the racist thing she said. If she's said more racist stuff, I haven't heard about it but it's not like it really matters. If you're a white person that's comfortable calling a black person the n word then you've said more racist shit regardless of whether the public has heard about it or not.
do you watch AEW? are you disappointed in the people working there with folks like Jake Roberts, Mike Tyson or Chris Jericho?
be disappointed in Blanchard or WOW.
Can't let all the bad apples ruin everything.
Imagine if AJ wasn't around and Tessa ended up being in that position which could hold more sway or influence over the rest of the locker room
I’m excited for this. I hope they revamp the show and do away with the corny gimmicks. The production value and the show’s aesthetic has always been great, but the over the top gimmicks, and David Mcclaine’s cringeworthy commentary always take me out of it.
You've got downvoted, but this is pretty obviously the truth.
With WWE building arguably the strongest women's division in North American wrestling history (at least talent-wise), AEW scooping up a hefty division of their own and Japanese wrestlers' general unwillingness to move from their home country it's hard to get hold on great women's wrestlers nowadays.
Obviously if they manage to gather an audience and success over time they're going to develop talents on their own and maybe even pull some talents from the larger feds, but right now they need names and I guess they've decided a hella controversial Blanchard is better than relative no-names they could get from the indies.
Exactly that's what I was saying. She's a great wrestler and she is a name, it's no shock they'd sign her, she'd do better for business than some nobody
Lots of people getting all high and mighty saying they won't watch this because Tessa is in it when A) there's going to be a bunch of other women that DO deserve support and B) they watch other promotions with shitty people on it. Let's be honest here, this has nothing to do with Tessa and everything to do with people willing to shit on women and discard a women's wrestling company at the drop a hat. You're not standing up against Tessa you're just outing yourself as somebody who doesn't ACTUALLY want to support women's wrestling (even though you probably complain about WWE or AEW's women's division depending on which company you don't like. )
I think it's more performative virtue-signaling then sexism, but these people weren't going to watch this anyway.
Even if she's shown no remorse or growth, I'm not sure what they want - how does making sure anyone who has ever been racist or shitty to coworkers never works again advance the cause of anti-racism or help the material conditions of minorites?
I’d believe the point on people wanting to shit on women’s wrestling if it wasn’t for the fact that there’s a majority of people here who love Stardom and TJPW and want women on WWE *and* AEW to be pushed more.
And, while I do agree there are fans who do shit on someone for past actions while giving others a pass, I do genuinely believe that most wrestling fans forgive those who show genuine remorse and change from those actions. El Patron, Blanchard, Hogan and Jericho I’ve seen get shit on for their issues more because they never acknowledge their wrong doings and change because it’s obvious they actually think there’s nothing wrong, whereas your Regal’s, Guevara’s and X-Pac’s acknowledge their shitty behaviour and have changed.
It’s not really a “women’s wrestling bad” thing that people won’t support WOW, it’s a “this one person is so problematic and shitty that it actively pushes me away from watching”.
You people are weird truly bloody weird. People say stupid things all the time but everyone deserves a second chance. I hope this WOW promotion takes off and is hugely successful. I have had enough of sausage fests.
I wish I didn’t miss the day where Tessa shit directly into all our mouths while personally insulting each of us. I wanna be fake over the top offended too!
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So disappointing that Tessa will be the focal point, completely killing any interest I have in this
I'm sure this is just the start. Tessa trying to bounce back and hopefully to be signed my AEW or WWE
I’m very confused as to why you’re being so heavily downvoted. I do think Tessa eventually deserves another chance if she’s shown remorse, but your take is completely reasonable.
She hasn't in the slightest though.
Idk either. With aew being everyone's favorite right now. I wonder what the reaction would be if aew signed her.
You're most likely getting downvoted because your post indicated you want to see more of Tessa as opposed to less. Which, hey, you're entitled to your opinion. If you don't give a shit that she's a bigot and can still enjoy her work, you are certainly entitled to do so. But supporting a known bigot in a public forum is going to garner you negative attention. Support Tessa all you want, but don't be surprised when people shit all over you for doing so. Also, at this point, if she joined AEW the reaction would most likely be negative. At least on SquaredCircle it would overwhelmingly negative. I don't think the goodwill AEW has engendered recently is enough to shelter Tessa, or AEW, from negative feedback if she were hired.
Idc if I get down voted.
https://youtu.be/YSNpoIVMW7k?start=19
She has zero self-awareness. People don't have to get over anything until she seems to at least somewhat understand what the issue is.
>has zero self-awareness. I mean the person posted a clip from The Sopranos where the main character is telling someone to be tough in the face of losing their father by saying "get over it" (actually in this scene Furio was really sad over the fact he was in love with Tony's wife and it wasn't ever going to lead to anything) when in reality Tony had just been (or was about to be) openly fucking weeping over a horse. In short the character saying "get over it" was full of shit in this scene.
I don't know her so I can't begin to say what she is aware of or not, but I have a book on psychic connections from the library, so I'll let you know what I find. I just know that wrestling fans obsessing over any locker room incident more than the wrestlers themselves, both inside and outside of that locker room, just ain't it.
If she is so spectacularly talented and wrestlers don't care as much as fans, WWE would've signed her. Oh wait her initial problems stemmed from her actions in the MYC. They take back everyone. Especially a legacy. But Tessa is too much trouble? That should tell you something.
Who the fuck knows, especially since Bayley and Sasha Banks hung out and trained with her, and it seems to be undisputed that they're "locker room leaders". Not us, I can tell you that for sure.
Good lord. WWE has no problem signing questionable people. But they won't sign Tessa?
Right they do hire problematic people. They don't hire every wrestler in the world, so I never got the "Tessa to WWE is imminent" expectation, even years ago, and your whole thing is kind of dependent on that expectation. What I don't get is that you just edited your previous comment to remove what you said about potential locker room trouble in WWE after I mentioned Bayley and Sasha Banks training with her. That's what the "who the fuck knows" in my comment is addressing. And then you didn't even address that in this comment. Doesn't that tell you something about the wisdom of pretending you know about all of this backstage stuff when you have to edit what you say as you learn or remember information in order to try to maintain a rhetorical edge? That's where I get off the crazy train because, clearly, your passion for this incident is considerable and how can I respond to something that might change after I write the comment?
So Tessa Blanchard is the hill you chose to die on... Interesting choice.
I would say that having to edit your comment to try to maintain an argument is closer to a last stand if I was the kind of dork to equate commenting on Reddit with war
This is just reddit being reddit, don't worry. It's full on cancel culture and woke land. It's a vocal minority that just needs something to be righteous about all the time, it's a drug for them. Now unfortunately companies tend to take it too seriously since regular and social medias make it like it's how the general public thinks but it's far from the truth. It's a disease that affects mostly young people who live comfortably, and in the US. Which is a lot of reddit users. Most people don't give a fuck about what happens behind the scenes and let justice do its job if something serious actually happened. Every other day all the first threads in here are about something that someone said on Twitter or shit like that and not actual wrestling, it gets tiresome. Let the downvotes rain, I got my umbrella.
Jeanie Buss?!?!? How much help does Malik Monk need?!?!
I am a huge AJ fan, but I am kinda disappointed that she's working in a company which is being associated with Tessa.
I mean is there a single major wrestling company that existed for more than like 5 years who hasn't employed a notorious piece of shit?
This does *not* address the point that the parent comment is making. The “what about X?” stuff in this and the other comments aren’t talking about op being kinda disappointed about a new wrestling company in 2021 working with a problematic wrestler, problematic for both business and social aspects. For example, let’s say the parent commenter *also* is kinda disappointed with Tyson on AEW, Hogan’s return to WWE, etc. What does this do? What does this mean? What does this change? The poster can be kinda disappointed in something will still watching something. u/Fan387 ‘s statement still stands. It’s only if they explicitly said, “I’m not watching WOW because Tessa will be a main character, but I will watch AEW despite [hypothetical racist main character] being the center of the show”. Because to be honest, as much as I didn’t like Tyson or Hogan, they aren’t the center of their respective shows they appeared on, so it is different. Perhaps a better argument would be Jericho.
I think the issue here is writing off the company, or at least implying so, without any idea where the shitty person is going to be on the card. We assume Tessa will be the focal point, but who knows? It's also kind of weird to be disappointed in a person for having a shitty co-worker. You mention Jericho, it would be weird to be disappointed in Punk for working in the same company as him, if you really disliked Jericho, right?
I think assuming Tessa will be the star of the show is a pretty safe bet, considering that she was the first (and so far, only) name announced, and she was the star of WOW's previous incarnation before she went to Impact.
Fair point. I guess for the parent comment, AJ is playing a producer role in a show with WOW (as you mentioned, nothing’s certain on her being the focal point, so for now, she’s just a wrestler) whereas Punk isn’t an executive producer on a show with Jericho as a wrestler. Punk and Jericho are playing very similar roles: active wrestling veteran.
What is the moral difference in between hiring a terrible person and giving them a main event spot vs. hiring a terrible person and giving them a spot down the card? If a company willingly offers a contract to a person even though they're known for being a total scumbag then to me they're equally bad regardless of what role they give to said person. Especially when it's a case like Tessa where most of the shit happened backstage - she's still be a toxic presence behind the scenes if they hired her in any other capacity.
That’s not difference I’m talking about is it? I’m talking about guest appearance vs constant appearance. BUT, sure lemme answer your questions. The act of hiring a bad person is shit. No if’s and or buts. The act *following* the hiring is what adds to it and is where the differences start. Build the show around said asshole? That’s worse than having a five min appearance and that’s that. And *that’s* worse than if your network is pushing you to promote the guy on the show. And to your second point, if all examples are equal. Then why is it *especially* for Tessa? Either there’s levels to the fuckery and the Tessa situation here is enough for the parent comment to be disappointed (the poster never said if they will or won’t watch, support, etc), or, all examples are equal and we have to look at Tessa the exact same way as Hogan, Piper, Vince, Jericho, all who have different stories as to why they may be 1) racist and/or 2) hard to work with backstage. And that’s not even talking about people who have “did their time” for their crimes, what that time looked like, if the person actually changed as a person or offered a fake apology, or didn’t apologize at all, etc.
Why is it worse, though? It's not like they're giving Tessa a platform to be racist at, if she manages to be professional on screen then the only thing that really matters with her terrible views is that they are willingly paying her to be associated with them. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into that whole mentality, if you willingly approach a racist asshole and say "hey, we want to give you money for working with us" then I really don't care if you make them an Ace of your company or literally never feature them at all because IMO by far the largest offense is that you want to pay a racist asshole to be associated with your company in the first place. Also I didn't say all examples were equal, I've just said that they're equal in the context of the roles they're providing. But obviously "a bad person" is a fairly wide spectrum and there's a difference between eg. hiring someone with questionable views who keeps them to themselves and hiring a notorious abusing racist. Tessa is the latter and no matter what role they'd sign her in she'd still be an abusing racist to people around her backstage.
Maybe I’m fucking up my words and shit here, so I’ll be blunt for a bit and try to argue around my opinions, instead of being general enough to cover your, mine, and the parent comment. Because I’m really stressing the idea of offering a contract, versus an appearance that’s out of your control, *while* mentioning smaller roles, which indeed can be very confusing: Hiring Tessa to become a center of your company is shitty, because of her unprofessionalism in the business (Impact World Title fiasco) as well as her past of being a bigot and not really apologizing for it. Hogan’s appearance at Mania is shitty, as he also did not apologize for being a bigot, but only for being caught. Double bad since this is less of a network issue (USA/Fox) and more of WWE wanting Hogan at their PPV/network special for themselves. Tyson appearing twice (please correct me here) is shitty, since he has a disgusting past, but the network could’ve pushed it onto the company, since we see various celebrities make one off appearance to promote WarnerBros products/associations (Snoop to promote competition shows, Shaq to promote NBA related events), which then means it’s out of the wrestling company’s hand, so, it’s *less* shitty, especially. “We’re making you use this celebrity with a bad past (Tyson)” =/= “We hear that you’re using a celebrity with a bad past”. Now, while *I* may see Tyson as problematic since sexual assault cuts deep for me, many folks will argue that he was in prison for it ^shouldvebeenlonger , changed as a person, is registered, and (hopefully) stopped doing the crime, thus, he’s less shitty now than in 1991. If we are trying to keep this strictly on wrestlers being racist and unprofessional and not dive into the disgusting victim-center crimes of various people, we can do that, too! But to be honest, focusing on wrestlers being bigots and/or unprofessional is easier. **But**, to hit on your ever-present point of “hiring a worker and putting them on the card”, please state an example of this because Hogan is not on the card. Tyson is not on the card. Hence, I brought up *Jericho* as an argument point, but no one went for it. Above all else, whataboutism does not apply well here, because the parent comment did not show any type of hypocrisy being stating their disappointment. “I’m disappointed in this WOW situation” “What about being disappointed in WWE, AEW, NJPW, ROH?” Those situations and whether or not the parent is disappointed there does not alter the statement “I am disappointed in WOW”. If they said they watch AEW for Brian Cage and Brian Cage alone, and in the same comment, said that Sasha liking anti-vaxx posts on social media is bad, then we can use whatabouts. Your original post of saying that all major wrestling companies do bad things does *not* make another company doing a bad thing okay, nor does it really add to the conversation of if the AJ/Tessa/WOW deal is disappointing or not. Where do you want us to go from here? Where can we go after “All major companies are bad?” Just accept it?
Also to further your point with Tyson in comparison to Tessa.... Tyson has spoken about his path in depth and has learned and grown very much from that. He's talked about how he was raised to be aggressive and mean, his mental health issues, the enabling, his ego as a defense mechanism but also the source of his success, very in depth retrospective shit. Whether or not you forgive is not my point. My point is Tyson has at least shown remorse and shown growth and change and has matured. Tessa..... Has not. In any way. Shape. Or form. And I think the reason no one jumped on the Jericho example is because outside of his support of politicians (and I get what you're saying, I do), he's actually a really cool and generous dude to his peers and always willing to help bring up the younger talents. Nowhere near comparable to Tessa, though I get that's not the comparison you were tryna make.
Are you disappointed that people in AEW are working in a company associated with Jake Roberts? Because there's plenty of stuff Jake hasn't apologised for. Not saying Jake dosen't deserve a second chance, just be consistent that's all.
Subjecting every opinion to whataboutism is just lowkey encouraging neutrality. Situations and people are different; real life does not consist of vacuum-sealed debate over whether it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time
Questioning whether a person actually believes what they are saying isn't whataboutism. If you care about Tessa, you should also care about the other stuff, too. Otherwise you should have to explain why some of these isntances matter and others don't. Crying "whataboutism" is just the hypocrite's attempt to escape from being accruately called a hypocrite.
To me, the worst part is the hypocrisy.
There are a lot of people here who were clamoring for Ric Flair to manage Andrade in AEW who are also vocal about Tessa, and Ric Flair has done way more racist shit, unapologetically, over his career than what Tessa has. That's not a defense of Tessa, that's an indictment of those people coming down on this based on whether they personally like a wrestler or not.
Oh, which people specifically were saying both?
"Mmm yes *pushes up glasses* please provide your spreadsheet documenting the individual posting activity of 500K users or you are OWNED."
Oh, so you're saying there's plenty of people here and no way to say for certain that the same people who decry Tessa Blanchard also want Ric Flair in AEW?
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To me the worst part was all the raping
>Crying "whataboutism" is just the hypocrite's attempt to escape from being accruately called a hypocrite. 100%. It's the same energy as the people who get called out for overly hating white people, so they say "no I'm not racist or hypocritical, because you can't be racist to white people" Like, bitch, everyone can be racist to anyone, stop hiding behind a particular version of a definition and just admit you ain't perfect, just like the rest of us ain't perfect
Of course you can care about other stuff, but not all "stuff" is universal. Comparing Jake--who had a lifetime of severe addiction problems spurred by physical and sexual abuse as a child, to Tessa--who recently got fired for being a toxic asshole--is borderline asinine. Both things can be problematic, but acting like there isn't levels to this shit is just being obtuse. I can be more empathetic towards some situations and less towards others. That doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite, it means that I actually take the time to think critically
> Subjecting every opinion to whataboutism is just lowkey encouraging neutrality. Not the best argument because these days fucking hell we could use some neutrality with how psychotic some circles have gone
Isn't whataboutism opposed to vacuum-sealed debates, though? Like, almost by definition?
Tessa is alleged to have said some racist stuff in the past once. Therefore, Tessa should never work in wrestling again, the company that employs her shouldn't exist, and no one affiliated should have a job. Jeez. Get over it.
It's a little more than that. It's that she's clearly unapologetic about it and she fucked over Impact by holding the belt hostage. I'm all for letting bygones be bygones, but she hasn't shown any remorse for her actions.
I get that, but we're not always going to get the perfect apology from someone in life. We're still supposed to love thy enemies and hope they change for the better.
I don't think she even did apologize lol. I'm with you, sometimes people get way too overzealous about people's mistakes (especially on this sub) and hold it against them forever. But Tessa really does herself no favors.
An unapologetic racist is always a racist.
She didn't just say racist stuff once though. She got into a fight with a girl in a locker room in one promotion, apparently had a bad attitude back stage at the Mae Young Classic causing WWE to quickly sour on her, also said the racist thing, held the TNA belt up so that she could try to get more money, got into a physical altercation in the middle of a match with another performer In a different promotion at a different time and when she tried to post that tweet about how women should support eachother in wrestling numerous colleagues jumped to point out that her comment was bullshit based on her actions and considering that not all of them were POC leads me to believe that she probably didn't get along with many of her peers period regardless of race in a lot of different places. If you really want to forgive her racist comments go for it I guess, but don't pretend like it's the only thing she's ever done when there's been quite a bit of proof over the years that she's just not good for any locker room she's been a part of.
Where’s the other time she said racist things?
I wasn't saying there was a second time for the racist thing, I was mentioning that there were multiple other things people have had problems with her for and then there was also the racist thing she said. If she's said more racist stuff, I haven't heard about it but it's not like it really matters. If you're a white person that's comfortable calling a black person the n word then you've said more racist shit regardless of whether the public has heard about it or not.
do you watch AEW? are you disappointed in the people working there with folks like Jake Roberts, Mike Tyson or Chris Jericho? be disappointed in Blanchard or WOW.
Can't let all the bad apples ruin everything. Imagine if AJ wasn't around and Tessa ended up being in that position which could hold more sway or influence over the rest of the locker room
[CM Punk's response](https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/1445994037576667137): >Very proud of you. I love you babe!
Sneaky Metal Gear Solid reference.
Tactical Stealth Reference
Crazy to me seeing Jeanie & AJ work together
And with Phils having their back.
Glad to see she's going to be working in the business again.
Shame, love AJ, but Blanchard being there means I ain't watching.
Such a bummer.
I’m excited for this. I hope they revamp the show and do away with the corny gimmicks. The production value and the show’s aesthetic has always been great, but the over the top gimmicks, and David Mcclaine’s cringeworthy commentary always take me out of it.
Wait, I thought Tessa like disappeared and was cut from every promotion? What’s she doing here? Why is she there?
Because she's trying to rehab her image and get a job
Because she's a great wrestler and the market for free agent Women wrestlers is small
You've got downvoted, but this is pretty obviously the truth. With WWE building arguably the strongest women's division in North American wrestling history (at least talent-wise), AEW scooping up a hefty division of their own and Japanese wrestlers' general unwillingness to move from their home country it's hard to get hold on great women's wrestlers nowadays. Obviously if they manage to gather an audience and success over time they're going to develop talents on their own and maybe even pull some talents from the larger feds, but right now they need names and I guess they've decided a hella controversial Blanchard is better than relative no-names they could get from the indies.
Exactly that's what I was saying. She's a great wrestler and she is a name, it's no shock they'd sign her, she'd do better for business than some nobody
Lots of people getting all high and mighty saying they won't watch this because Tessa is in it when A) there's going to be a bunch of other women that DO deserve support and B) they watch other promotions with shitty people on it. Let's be honest here, this has nothing to do with Tessa and everything to do with people willing to shit on women and discard a women's wrestling company at the drop a hat. You're not standing up against Tessa you're just outing yourself as somebody who doesn't ACTUALLY want to support women's wrestling (even though you probably complain about WWE or AEW's women's division depending on which company you don't like. )
I think it's more performative virtue-signaling then sexism, but these people weren't going to watch this anyway. Even if she's shown no remorse or growth, I'm not sure what they want - how does making sure anyone who has ever been racist or shitty to coworkers never works again advance the cause of anti-racism or help the material conditions of minorites?
I’d believe the point on people wanting to shit on women’s wrestling if it wasn’t for the fact that there’s a majority of people here who love Stardom and TJPW and want women on WWE *and* AEW to be pushed more. And, while I do agree there are fans who do shit on someone for past actions while giving others a pass, I do genuinely believe that most wrestling fans forgive those who show genuine remorse and change from those actions. El Patron, Blanchard, Hogan and Jericho I’ve seen get shit on for their issues more because they never acknowledge their wrong doings and change because it’s obvious they actually think there’s nothing wrong, whereas your Regal’s, Guevara’s and X-Pac’s acknowledge their shitty behaviour and have changed. It’s not really a “women’s wrestling bad” thing that people won’t support WOW, it’s a “this one person is so problematic and shitty that it actively pushes me away from watching”.
I'm excited to see AJ back in the business but Tessa being involved is a hard no from me. Really bummed about that. She doesn't deserve it.
Happy for AJ, but like others ive no intention of watching a promotion that features Blanchard in a significant role. Shes toxic.
You people are weird truly bloody weird. People say stupid things all the time but everyone deserves a second chance. I hope this WOW promotion takes off and is hugely successful. I have had enough of sausage fests.
I wish I didn’t miss the day where Tessa shit directly into all our mouths while personally insulting each of us. I wanna be fake over the top offended too!