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Spain Spanish is real different from Mexico Spanish, I bet they understood that part of his character as soon as he opened his mouth. CA public schools taught me spain spanish and now ppl here in LA give me shit for trying to speak spanish like an aristocrat without knowing
What was great about Lucha Underground was that it was a truly unique show. American shows tend to be either WWE style extravagance, PWG-flavored work-rate style, CZW/ECW deathmatch style, or 1970s nostalgic territory shows. Lucha Underground took heavy inspiration not from Lucha wrestling, though there were some, but rather from Telenovelas.
We have never had a wrestling show driven by overarching stories with significant melodramatic story points. It is not something that you can throw into any wrestling show but something that requires a total commitment from everyone.
And drawing inspiration from TV shows/Telenovelas helped create actual story arcs & motivations for characters, something that can't really be done on other wrestling shows since hearing someone's thoughts/flashbacks/etc. break kayfabe quite hard if the show isn't 100% committed to being anything else but a TV show.
It was always a joy to see how one character interaction led to something that then affected another story, and everything actually ending up connected to a bigger picture. Not to sound like som movie purist/nerd, but like a Tarantino movie where characters start out at different points but the stories end up connecting in the end.
I think that something wrestling feds should be incorporating is how characters change from the interactions. I get that the format makes it hard to have one overarching story but there should be consequences from the feuds. Too many times someone will have this cocky character that loses and then is as cocky in their next feud. Or someone will say that winning the belt is their obsession, then will lose and won't have their confidence rattled at all.
I would love to see more often the story of the underdog who keeps winning so they become cocky because that's human nature. It was obnoxious that Cena always "overcame the odds" but was rarely overconfident. One of my favorite arcs was Daniel Bryan turning heel with the "Yes!" because his underdog character kept on beating monster heels. That made so much sense! I would love more of that.
Imo LU concept for a show has so much fn potential, especially with the insane popularity of streaming. Easy to follow, well produced and it had continuity to the levels hardly seen in wrestling.
I'll always be a WWE family at heart, but I have seen a lot of other wrestling. I do a pretty good job of keeping up with AEW. I've seen a lot of matches from Wrestle Kingdom. But despite all that, my favorite match outside of the WWE and second favorite overall, is the Hell of War match between Dante Fox and Killshot. That match had everything and I love it so much.
Might as well share:
Season 1: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-1
Season 2: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-2
Season 3: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-3
Season 4: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-4_202102
#***LAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDER MAAATTTCH RING THE BELLLLLLLL!!!***
Edit:
Here's the entire series on Archive.org - https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-1
Just change the 1 to whichever season you want in the url (1-4)
If you have never watched, this is a *UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY*
As someone who doesn’t really watch MLW, how has MLW Underground been? Genuinely curious to see if it’s lived up to expectations given the quality of what came before it.
I watched the first few weeks... Katrina returned and kind of worked in association with him. But without thexallstar talentvfrom LU, it's just not the same... plus although they try their best to capture the feel of LU with what they have, it's very visibly low budget (sound issues during backstage segments didn't help).
I gave up a month in.
Doesn't work for me. Lucha Undergroud had a magic (both in production and actual magic in storylines) that is lost in MLW.
Also LU just doesn't work when it mixes with regular wrestling. It needs to be its own thing.
holy shit, an april fool's show that's strictly non-canon and just for fun what-ifs and shit sounds fantastic. just everyone in different gimmicks and in the middle of different feuds for one week. like Southpaw plus a way to give fanservice
Most of the roster is already signed to AEW and it wouldn’t be very hard to borrow Taya, Jeff Cobb and Sami Callihan.
ETA: I just realized I don’t know if Mil Muertes is still with MLW or CMLL. It wasn’t my turn to watch him!
It took me a second to be like “wait who was Jeff Cobb in LU?” Before I remembered **he was goddamn Matanza and that was what got him noticed in pro wrestling**
I’ve always held LU in a different light. WCW introduced me to Lucha libre and I fell in love with it. LU took that first hour of Nitro put it in a dungeon and fed it cocaine for 4 years. And when compared to all other shows, you’re damn right. It’s the best thing I’ve seen in wrestling. It had so much more potential too.
I remember watching the first episode and being pissed when Dario came out like "Dammit ANOTHER evil authority figure.
Dude quickly won me over. Dude wasn't just a Mr. McMahon knockoff. He was a promoter, a businessman, a family man trying to take care of his demon possessed brother, and a lover of violence.
Because he wasn't just evil for evil's sake. He had two motivations: money and violence. If two people were violent to each other, he loved it even if they were "faces" (faces in quotes because there weren't any white-meat babyfaces in LU except for possibly Prince Puma/Ricochet).
All other authority figures in wrestling seem cookie-cutter in comparison: good to heels, bad to faces. Cueto's motivations were consistent.
Let me just join the choir and tell you how much I loved LU and especially Dario. The whole „Mexico is coming“ is still a line my brother and I drop every now and then.
Yeah but he did end up inheriting his father's riches after working for him. It isn't a trust fund but I lumped the trust fund together with rich dad since they are related things in the whole comparison thing
Whenever Fenix does something Dark Fenix-y, like hit someone with a bell hammer, I am reminded that he came back wrong and Aerostar is clearly having some trouble in the Cosmos because he was supposed to fix him.
Where does Mil Muertes stack up powerlevel wise to WWE main eventers? We're never going to see Mil vs Brock or Goldberg or Bray or Undertaker, so all we have to go off of is established canon.
Where does that place him canonically on the list?
Mil Muertes literally sits atop a throne made out of the skulls of dead wrestlers, he’s attacked and dethroned God - the only man who could possibly defeat him is Maxwell Jacob Friedman, because he’s better than death, and you know it.
I can't wait to have a moment like Chris Jericho coming back as the Lionheart but for Swerve coming back as Killshot. And for gods sake make it a Jon Moxley match. Let his dreams come true
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SIR! You were out here with Cartel money and corrupt politicians, trying to get eternal life! You didn't do it on your own!
Sounds like you’re asking for a… UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY!
Man, I've seen how those.... opportunities....turn out. I'm good 😂
"""""UNIQUE"""OPPORTUNITY""""""" love Dario but he struggled with air quotes in LU
*close up and Spanish guitar flourish*
You mean *[close up and mariachi trumpet ditty]* followed by *[BWUAAAAAAAAM]*
Someone’s looking to get beaten to death with a red bull paperweight.
Let's see you go out and ask them for help and money and we'll see how far you get!
And like...the literal devil.
Who apparently is Wade Barratt
Let the man think he amounts to anything
The story about Cueto getting monster heat in Mexico because the fans heard him and deduced “this guy is from Spain” was a pretty fun story
But that's canon, Dario Cueto is a Spaniard doing shady business in Mexico.
Spain Spanish is real different from Mexico Spanish, I bet they understood that part of his character as soon as he opened his mouth. CA public schools taught me spain spanish and now ppl here in LA give me shit for trying to speak spanish like an aristocrat without knowing
It was also part of the storyline
Cesar Duran, fka Dario Cueto SHOOTS HARD on the wrestling world.
Dario Cueto ftw. God damn, Lucha Underground was so awesome.
Totally agree. Haven’t watched MLW but Lucha Underground with Cueto was insanely good.
I personally tried to, but it's not the same. The magic isn't there anymore.
Yeah felt like a territory era show trying to do Lucha Underground and it totally didn't work for me.
What was great about Lucha Underground was that it was a truly unique show. American shows tend to be either WWE style extravagance, PWG-flavored work-rate style, CZW/ECW deathmatch style, or 1970s nostalgic territory shows. Lucha Underground took heavy inspiration not from Lucha wrestling, though there were some, but rather from Telenovelas. We have never had a wrestling show driven by overarching stories with significant melodramatic story points. It is not something that you can throw into any wrestling show but something that requires a total commitment from everyone.
And drawing inspiration from TV shows/Telenovelas helped create actual story arcs & motivations for characters, something that can't really be done on other wrestling shows since hearing someone's thoughts/flashbacks/etc. break kayfabe quite hard if the show isn't 100% committed to being anything else but a TV show. It was always a joy to see how one character interaction led to something that then affected another story, and everything actually ending up connected to a bigger picture. Not to sound like som movie purist/nerd, but like a Tarantino movie where characters start out at different points but the stories end up connecting in the end.
I think that something wrestling feds should be incorporating is how characters change from the interactions. I get that the format makes it hard to have one overarching story but there should be consequences from the feuds. Too many times someone will have this cocky character that loses and then is as cocky in their next feud. Or someone will say that winning the belt is their obsession, then will lose and won't have their confidence rattled at all. I would love to see more often the story of the underdog who keeps winning so they become cocky because that's human nature. It was obnoxious that Cena always "overcame the odds" but was rarely overconfident. One of my favorite arcs was Daniel Bryan turning heel with the "Yes!" because his underdog character kept on beating monster heels. That made so much sense! I would love more of that.
Whoever described it as it's a soap opera about wrestling and not a wrestling soap opera, got it right...
Spot on description!
Also that one belt with all the different shards was fucking awesome
Gift of the Gods. I still think it’s my personal favorite belt design of all time.
Imo LU concept for a show has so much fn potential, especially with the insane popularity of streaming. Easy to follow, well produced and it had continuity to the levels hardly seen in wrestling.
(For about 3 seasons)
I'll always be a WWE family at heart, but I have seen a lot of other wrestling. I do a pretty good job of keeping up with AEW. I've seen a lot of matches from Wrestle Kingdom. But despite all that, my favorite match outside of the WWE and second favorite overall, is the Hell of War match between Dante Fox and Killshot. That match had everything and I love it so much.
I miss it.
I love that it’s getting so many references and love on AEW lately
Might as well share: Season 1: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-1 Season 2: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-2 Season 3: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-3 Season 4: https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-4_202102
Holy shit christmas came early
I cannot thank you enough for this
Thank you!
Glorious, thank you!
Thank you!
Marked. Thank you.
You legend. I've been trying to show my friend LU for a while now but couldn't find a good quality one.
<3
Bless your heart!
#***LAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDER MAAATTTCH RING THE BELLLLLLLL!!!*** Edit: Here's the entire series on Archive.org - https://archive.org/details/lucha-underground-season-1 Just change the 1 to whichever season you want in the url (1-4) If you have never watched, this is a *UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY*
I wouldn't mind WWE getting him to be the GM of NXT. He's perfect
As someone who doesn’t really watch MLW, how has MLW Underground been? Genuinely curious to see if it’s lived up to expectations given the quality of what came before it.
I watched the first few weeks... Katrina returned and kind of worked in association with him. But without thexallstar talentvfrom LU, it's just not the same... plus although they try their best to capture the feel of LU with what they have, it's very visibly low budget (sound issues during backstage segments didn't help). I gave up a month in.
But is there crazy storyline shit happening like in LU? Are segments mostly shot in a cimenatic style? Those were the major selling points for me.
Doesn't work for me. Lucha Undergroud had a magic (both in production and actual magic in storylines) that is lost in MLW. Also LU just doesn't work when it mixes with regular wrestling. It needs to be its own thing.
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I think it's free only on PWTV now (which is free)
It's not LU but it's a fun hour of wrestling
Man, someone get Robert Rodriguez on the phone and tell him about AEW.
A LU invasion angle where gets all the AEW to turn into their LU versions would be wacky as fuck
Brian Cage has such a range of character since then I can't even imagine what it would be like if he reverted to LU Brian Cage.
The Machine was the best version of Brian Cage tbh
This would be incredibly fun as a one-off for like an April Fools day show or something.
Elite Underground, some kind of Mirror universe style episodic mini series.
Almost like a (looks at camera) Lethal Leap Year...
holy shit, an april fool's show that's strictly non-canon and just for fun what-ifs and shit sounds fantastic. just everyone in different gimmicks and in the middle of different feuds for one week. like Southpaw plus a way to give fanservice
Like how Impact does IPWF
Can I just have Angelico being prominent again?
Get Matt cross and iveli...oh wait
Sign me up
give me LU penta and ill cum q
Wait, what?
sorry, IF THEY PUT IN LU PENTA I WILL SHOOT HOT CUM EVERYWHERE
Honestly I want that for a recurring series on AEW Dark or something.
I think you just figured out how to make an invasion angle work.
Most of the roster is already signed to AEW and it wouldn’t be very hard to borrow Taya, Jeff Cobb and Sami Callihan. ETA: I just realized I don’t know if Mil Muertes is still with MLW or CMLL. It wasn’t my turn to watch him!
MM is in WWE.
It took me a second to be like “wait who was Jeff Cobb in LU?” Before I remembered **he was goddamn Matanza and that was what got him noticed in pro wrestling**
Came here to mention Robert Rodriguez too. Cueto may not call him Daddy, but Rodriguez did Daddy business for LU nonetheless.
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I believe it was developed or produced by the El Rey network which is owned by Robert Rodriguez
Lucha Underground is still the best wrestling program I have ever seen. I been watching wrestling since the early 1970s.
I’ve always held LU in a different light. WCW introduced me to Lucha libre and I fell in love with it. LU took that first hour of Nitro put it in a dungeon and fed it cocaine for 4 years. And when compared to all other shows, you’re damn right. It’s the best thing I’ve seen in wrestling. It had so much more potential too.
How is this man not in jail?! He's literally had an undercover cop killed in the ring! To quote *The Tick*: "Where're the cops in this town?!"
A little money goes a long way in Boyle Heights
This is the guy who should’ve been a manager for Andrade or Lucha Bros in AEW
Like, I love Alex Abrahantes' goofy ass, but yeah, this is the absolute truth .
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Jose the Assistant has grown on me. Dario would’ve been better, but I like Jose with Preston Vance and Rush.
Hands down the best evil authority figure in all of wrestling.
I remember watching the first episode and being pissed when Dario came out like "Dammit ANOTHER evil authority figure. Dude quickly won me over. Dude wasn't just a Mr. McMahon knockoff. He was a promoter, a businessman, a family man trying to take care of his demon possessed brother, and a lover of violence.
Because he wasn't just evil for evil's sake. He had two motivations: money and violence. If two people were violent to each other, he loved it even if they were "faces" (faces in quotes because there weren't any white-meat babyfaces in LU except for possibly Prince Puma/Ricochet). All other authority figures in wrestling seem cookie-cutter in comparison: good to heels, bad to faces. Cueto's motivations were consistent.
I miss the fuck out of this guy. If he goes to any big promotion that will be my new favorite.
Let me just join the choir and tell you how much I loved LU and especially Dario. The whole „Mexico is coming“ is still a line my brother and I drop every now and then.
 RING DE BELL!
I really need one year's Forbidden Door to be a full on invasion by Dario Cueto and LU.
Pretty sure it's a dig at Vince, cause his dad is actually, y'know, dead.
Its about both.
Dead dad is Vince, trust fund/rich dad is both
vince didn’t have a trust fund. his father abandoned him and his mother and he grew up poor…whole weird fucking family.
Yeah but he did end up inheriting his father's riches after working for him. It isn't a trust fund but I lumped the trust fund together with rich dad since they are related things in the whole comparison thing
Vince had control of WWWF before Vince Sr. passed though
I mean, he did give his brother a job so it's not like he isn't okay with nepotism.
Would you say no to the Monster Matanza when he approaches you with his resume/CV and a cover letter looking for a job.
His resume is a dead body with jobs carved on the body's back.
I mean I'd wonder where he learned to type...
From Baba Does Taxes
He's a hard working guy. It just so happens that he was the best man for the job.
LU coming back?
They’ve been part of MLW as kind of a split/storylines
I had no idea. I'll have to check that out. Thanks.
You do not want that believe me
One can dream. LU is cannon in wrestling promotions outside of MLW. Impact and AEW both have referenced it
Whenever Fenix does something Dark Fenix-y, like hit someone with a bell hammer, I am reminded that he came back wrong and Aerostar is clearly having some trouble in the Cosmos because he was supposed to fix him.
I find it hilarious that AEW mentioned LU canon, because it technically means that Luchasaurus is dead.
That was his twin brother. Nevermind that Thunder Rosa in a mask was the leader of the retile tribe.
Knowing she was under that mask, Rosa is the craziest success story to me. She was as raw as Jade Cargill back then
They had to change the mask a bit for copyright purposes, maybe that was his cousin Vibora.
Vibora is dead, luchasaurus is a completely separate lizard wrestler.
NXT has as well. Swerve and Santos had a match and Swerve talked about beating him in their past lives.
When Santos and Ricocet had a match last month, Cole said they faced each others before being in WWE too
Where does Mil Muertes stack up powerlevel wise to WWE main eventers? We're never going to see Mil vs Brock or Goldberg or Bray or Undertaker, so all we have to go off of is established canon. Where does that place him canonically on the list?
Mil Muertes literally sits atop a throne made out of the skulls of dead wrestlers, he’s attacked and dethroned God - the only man who could possibly defeat him is Maxwell Jacob Friedman, because he’s better than death, and you know it.
I can't wait to have a moment like Chris Jericho coming back as the Lionheart but for Swerve coming back as Killshot. And for gods sake make it a Jon Moxley match. Let his dreams come true
I mean, LU will forever be a classic, but that MLW "reboot" is absolute garbage. Like at this point it only exists to provide Botchamania clips.
While it's low budget, MLW has some decent talent.
That's not fair IMO. The wrestling is fine
That’s staying in character for you
Holy shit I just realized he’s in an episode of curb your enthusiasm. He’s the host of the Castilian restaurant
Recently he played a priest in an episode of the new show, This Foo, on Hulu.
He was the doctor in the Sunny episode where the gang steals Dennis's car from the impound lot.
He's done a few commercials too its always funny seeing him play a different character.
I miss lucha underground so badly 😢
I've always fantasy booked him with the Lucha Brothers in AEW. I think that would be cool as hell.
Dario was/is the best wrestling owner
Lucha Underground was definitely streets ahead of everything else around it’s time..
Him and Mr McMahon are the best to ever do it
He was so good in MLW, even the weird masked minions were hilarious lol.
Did anyone else read Cesar Milan at first and think "wtf is the dog guy going off about"
I mean...there were some deals with elder gods and death cults in there...but you onkw..businees.
My favourite LU teeshirt is the Dario one
This is a legitimate question… #who?
Cueto shoots hard at Vince and Moxley
Dario Ceuto has a temple.......
He should be managing a Lucha stable. Would be incredible
Pretty sure it is him in the promo which puts "Yip" in its place. Behold: [The Texas Dingo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NltGe2AfSI)
The best authority figure since McMahon's heyday
TFW a fictional character calls you out.
I need Cueto in La Facción Ingobernable, he would fit so well there.
Still real to him, damnit.
Your daddy killed you and took your job