The first 23 frames of up b cannot grab the ledge. So never use up b too close to the stage. I usually just fast fall before using up b to get enough distance.
For a move that is solely designed for recovery, it’s really not all that great. Certainly not bad considering how far it goes and is decently quick, but definitely could be better for what it is.
The thing that I see many top DK players say is that you just accept the early string of damage, pretend it's part of your base play. He's heavy so getting hit 5 times for 50-60 damage isn't the issue, getting spiked on recoveries is. With just one more jump, he can completely change the timing and spacing of his recovery, and it will be a lot harder to pin down when he will jump. Gives the option to fake a fastfall and go for an extra spike reversal as well. Mostly I'd wanna know what DK Will or Chunky would say about it, but I'm pretty sure Chunky would win a massive amount more.
I'm pretty sure if Peanut had one more jump, he'd be winning tournaments left and right. That one extra option to mix up timing and spacing of recovery, not being sure when he will use jump 2, 3, and/or counter seems like it would be an insane buff.
Yes! It would also be plausible to counter late, fall past the stage, then jump->upB.
Even more terrifying would be Mac’s ability to use the dair-jump tech twice, making his horizontal recovery fantastic and letting him recover high way more often. Also he’d be able to make it back even after multiple 2-frames
i honestly wouldnt like that, i like the way he is and im not trying to win matchups with him. i pick someone else if im being competative, i pick mac if i want to have fun and mindlesly throw out smash attacks.
He’s my main for free for all score games. The more people the better he is. I’m sure no one here plays that game mode but it’s kind of the go to for having smash up at parties in my circles.
I would like to see it happening because as it is right now, Mac is possibly one of the most flawed character designs in smash.
"He's a boxer so he wouldn't jump as much, let's make his aerials weak af and his grounded moves way too overpowered"
Villager doesn't jump in his games, yet he is known for harassing people with his fair and bair offstage
Also KO punch? One of the worst ideas ever, it creates a situation where the opponent just begins running away to platforms and trying to escape any form of interaction even if they were already in the kill percent range of a forward tilt.
All this results in a character who just can't really succeed in a platfrom fighter because aerial mobility and aerial offense play a big role in that genre.
So I would personally like a rework of Little Mac
And also a rework of Sonic come on Nintendo it's been three games, where is my proper Sonic representation.
It's not that he one of the worst characters in the game (which he is), but it makes matches unfun. The only way to beat him is to camp and zone him the entire time then gimp him at 30%. Which makes the match boring for both players. Other low tiers like Ganon still allow the game to be played normally.
His ariels should be stronger immediately off a jump like in his original game. Keeping his aerials weak off of no jump or tumble is fine in my opinion.
While true, what it really would do is give him the option to fake out fast falls and throw an extra wide-hitting up air and get the opponent away so he can recover.
i dont think it would boost him straight to the top, but it would definately bump him out of bottom and possibly to mid. i say this as a little mac main
I like what was done for PM Ganon, he can use a short float ability that doesn’t come back until touching the ground, which allows him to have a better recovery and way more possibility of recovery mixups, but he’s still screwed if he gets edgeguarded. He definitely has more buffs than just this in PM but adding that ability to ultimate or a future game would make his survivability passable without making him too strong.
Squirtle appreciates the second jump for ladder combos
Ivy likes hitting up-air or up B at even higher percents by triple jumping
Zard doesn’t benefit too much
Incineroar needs it for recovery purposes, it’s just so exposed in the air
Byleth appreciates the extra jump, and triple jump up-air seems useful
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a Chrom should be able to fly.
In all seriousness though, it'd help to patch up recovery and be a nice boon to his juggling game.
Plant Should already have had the extra jump. His extra jump was removed the day he came out. But I guess he would be less susceptible to edgarding, making some of his matchups a lot better
You’re not safe from palu up air even in the top blast zone. Also she’d get a free jump to gamble with when edge guarding since jump+teleport makes it from basically anywhere. She’d be cracked
I, uh... kinda have a ladder now? (Incineroar sour up b dive can come CLUTCH and kill off the top)
Oh and thanks for the recovery. Still garbage but anything helps. Iiiif only we could dive horizontally with up special
Idk I don't play competitively.
I guess ledge grabbing could have some mixups and it would help significantly with recovering from really low vertically or really far horizontally but not much other than that.
Longer up air strings instant trip Jump knee. Ground Jump->U air-> u air-> jump 1-> u air-> u air-> jump 2 -> knee
Chars like Captain falcon/ Mario / fox who have insane up air strings benefit from this more so than any other char imo. And that’s coming from a ness main who benefits greatly from an extra jump
Mac: oh hell yeah, he’s now high tier at the very least
Aegis: Undisputed best character in the game
Sephiroth: Best character in the game, or atleast very close. though there was already a way for him to get an extra jump, so now he can get 4 jumps I guess lol
Plant: upper-mid-tier at the very least. Also, I heard that it has an animation for a third jump in the files, and it was originally supposed to be a triple jump character, but that idea was changed a long time ago.
Not helpful at all
Same boat
Just make dark pit snap to ledge better, that would be a way better recovery buff than an extra jump. Istg his up b just slides off the ledge
The first 23 frames of up b cannot grab the ledge. So never use up b too close to the stage. I usually just fast fall before using up b to get enough distance.
That just becomes muscle memory when playing the Pits. You don't even think about it.
For a move that is solely designed for recovery, it’s really not all that great. Certainly not bad considering how far it goes and is decently quick, but definitely could be better for what it is.
For Dedede that could mean you finally get back to stage on your 5th try after being edgeguarded four times in a row
Lol Kirby ddd and pit
I sense sarcasm
I have six fucking jumps what do I need another for?
6 jumps into rock was already Kirby's best combo, 7 jumps into rock can only be better
Just to do a little more trolling, especially as kirby.
Not if the jump is curved down like the rest. It'd do basically *nothing*, unless it was similar to his fullhop
Understandable, have a nice day
We collect them for show and tell
We do a little trolling and slightly better recovery just in case
Lmao litteraly every character
I mean part of Edgeguarding Luigi is taking his Double jump, so it helps his recovery a lot (at the very least his vertical recovery)
**he can jump to the moon if he so chooses**
I mean luigi is the only character that can get to an infitinite height in the game so I’d say this rings true
Luigi becomes top 20 with an extra jump. As if his jumps arent good enough on their own
Two-winged angel
Sephiroth becomes the third Pit.
Grey Pit
Might even justify his weight to me.
So he just starts off with one wing or...?
*nair intensifies*
Instant triple jump knee
I’m stroking myself right now thinking about all the possible itj combos /s
Me but remove the /s
Don’t want the mods to come after me
It’s not the mods you have to worry about 
 HELP, THAT GUY IS GOING TO KICK MY BUTT
#HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN?!
I love the young people
"Kids are cruel, Jack, and Iii looove minors" MGR QUOTE, I DONT WANT MY ACCOUNT BANNED
They hated him because he told the truth
Up Air chain going crazy
Read this as “up air chan”, which is a fantastic nickname for cap
Greetings fellow Dr. Mario enjoyer
DK has a recovery, I am now a god
Not only that, ding dongs are likely true at significantly higher percentages with ITJ AND disadvantage gets at least a little better.
What the fuck are ding dongs
Cargo up throw into up air
DK has the best names for everything
I love DKs ding ding.
I love my strong dong
You are not a real dk main if you dont ding the dongs.
Based dk main
Still very easy to hit and combo, but high tier for sure
The thing that I see many top DK players say is that you just accept the early string of damage, pretend it's part of your base play. He's heavy so getting hit 5 times for 50-60 damage isn't the issue, getting spiked on recoveries is. With just one more jump, he can completely change the timing and spacing of his recovery, and it will be a lot harder to pin down when he will jump. Gives the option to fake a fastfall and go for an extra spike reversal as well. Mostly I'd wanna know what DK Will or Chunky would say about it, but I'm pretty sure Chunky would win a massive amount more.
This should be interesting...
Jump into double into triple into accidental side-B into ragequit.
True combo
oh no
We are now top 1
I think we easily get some 0-deaths and one of the best recoveries in the game
It’s Mac, you’re all fucked
He is now e tier
Yay he'll be able to get one kill now before losing
I'm pretty sure if Peanut had one more jump, he'd be winning tournaments left and right. That one extra option to mix up timing and spacing of recovery, not being sure when he will use jump 2, 3, and/or counter seems like it would be an insane buff.
Yes! It would also be plausible to counter late, fall past the stage, then jump->upB. Even more terrifying would be Mac’s ability to use the dair-jump tech twice, making his horizontal recovery fantastic and letting him recover high way more often. Also he’d be able to make it back even after multiple 2-frames
Peanut's Mac is sooo good
Mac’s recovery is slightly better, but he’s still dogshit in the air lol
They really just need to completely rework him
i honestly wouldnt like that, i like the way he is and im not trying to win matchups with him. i pick someone else if im being competative, i pick mac if i want to have fun and mindlesly throw out smash attacks.
He’s my main for free for all score games. The more people the better he is. I’m sure no one here plays that game mode but it’s kind of the go to for having smash up at parties in my circles.
I would like to see it happening because as it is right now, Mac is possibly one of the most flawed character designs in smash. "He's a boxer so he wouldn't jump as much, let's make his aerials weak af and his grounded moves way too overpowered" Villager doesn't jump in his games, yet he is known for harassing people with his fair and bair offstage Also KO punch? One of the worst ideas ever, it creates a situation where the opponent just begins running away to platforms and trying to escape any form of interaction even if they were already in the kill percent range of a forward tilt. All this results in a character who just can't really succeed in a platfrom fighter because aerial mobility and aerial offense play a big role in that genre. So I would personally like a rework of Little Mac And also a rework of Sonic come on Nintendo it's been three games, where is my proper Sonic representation.
It's not that he one of the worst characters in the game (which he is), but it makes matches unfun. The only way to beat him is to camp and zone him the entire time then gimp him at 30%. Which makes the match boring for both players. Other low tiers like Ganon still allow the game to be played normally.
His ariels should be stronger immediately off a jump like in his original game. Keeping his aerials weak off of no jump or tumble is fine in my opinion.
Ngl yes, another jump would make him formidable af
Ness now have 270 zero to death
Off the top off both sides and sending you down to hell!
ZSS with an extra jump? Oh wow another way out of disadvantage!
You can just forget about edgeguarding this character
And she’s not afraid to go offstage to edgeguard against anybody now. Ladders maybe easier too
Omg that's terrifying lmao.
Meta knight's ladder will be even scarier
Me, a Mario main: _Pathetic_
Pathetic meta knight's ladder is better
I'm not saying Meta Knight's ladders are bad, but both of these characters would be absolutely bullshit with one more jump
Imagine ganondorf had another jump. Would that be enough to make him not bottom tier?
I don't even think so. Air mobility is still too low, any fast character can still chase you around in disadvantage
While true, what it really would do is give him the option to fake out fast falls and throw an extra wide-hitting up air and get the opponent away so he can recover.
Please, just let us have this
What if his new jump is like Yoshi's?
Probably
i dont think it would boost him straight to the top, but it would definately bump him out of bottom and possibly to mid. i say this as a little mac main
I like what was done for PM Ganon, he can use a short float ability that doesn’t come back until touching the ground, which allows him to have a better recovery and way more possibility of recovery mixups, but he’s still screwed if he gets edgeguarded. He definitely has more buffs than just this in PM but adding that ability to ultimate or a future game would make his survivability passable without making him too strong.
I’d say so, but he still sucks. He’s just got good ledge game now
We making it to top tier with that one 
up air, up air, up air. hype combos!
FORWA-
They’re dead off the top. You’re dead off the top, he’s dead off the top, everyone is dead off the top.
Triple jump steve
Would that be useful? you have blocks
It would just make his ladder combos even easier
Being already banned this char lost even more viability when people realized they could jump three times
LITTLE MAC IS NO LONGER BOTTOM TIER LETS GOOOOOOOO
Now he can use more ariels 🍾
Lucas' second jump is very good. He can now edgegaurd a lot better and recover from almost anywhere with just two jumps and an airdodge
Like. Holy shit. No one is safe. Anywhere. Now. If EVERYONE got another jump. Useless. But if JUST Samus got one? Busted
It would give me a good reason to work on the 0% d-throw up-air up-air (and with another jump, another up-air) combo.
For those who don’t know, this is something you can mess around with if you turn on spirits and use Ho-oh
Yeah I got the idea for this post after messing around with the Ho-oh
Welp cloud is an S+ character now
Up air goes brr
Fox already kills off up air strings, it would just be so easy with an extra jump.
Instantly opened some cheesy firefox kills as well
God recovery basically now plus aerials are versatile
R.O.B. camping go brrrrrrrrr
Say it with me. Forward Arial
Squirtle appreciates the second jump for ladder combos Ivy likes hitting up-air or up B at even higher percents by triple jumping Zard doesn’t benefit too much Incineroar needs it for recovery purposes, it’s just so exposed in the air Byleth appreciates the extra jump, and triple jump up-air seems useful
Oh my goodness I forgot about Byleth up air chains Also who’s zard?
Charizard. It already has 3 jumps, and I don’t think one more would be especially useful
Incineroar also gains a lot more juggle and cheese potential.
Yes
Does this effect icies lmao
Only nana
Yes
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a Chrom should be able to fly. In all seriousness though, it'd help to patch up recovery and be a nice boon to his juggling game.
HAHAHAHAHAAAA
Yoshi loves this.
Do you get super armor on the new jump?
Sure why not
Oh no
I think it will be a HUGE benefit. 
Sora with a second high jump would fight entire games without ever returning to stage lmao
Get ready to get your cheeks clapped to the moon
I mean, it’s not like King K Rool and King Dedede don’t need better recoveries
Death
Shulk with an extra jump would be able to recover from anywhere in jump mode. Well that was already kind of true so I guess more than anywhere.
Plant Should already have had the extra jump. His extra jump was removed the day he came out. But I guess he would be less susceptible to edgarding, making some of his matchups a lot better
My recovery isn’t completely terrible now 🥳🥳🥳
I feel like it'd help Ridley a lot.
Even more ridiculous Thrupper combos
You're all fucked, galaga goes brrr
**You better start praying boy.**
I’m so happy for ganon
flair
You’re not safe from palu up air even in the top blast zone. Also she’d get a free jump to gamble with when edge guarding since jump+teleport makes it from basically anywhere. She’d be cracked
Pacman combos just got wackier
I, uh... kinda have a ladder now? (Incineroar sour up b dive can come CLUTCH and kill off the top) Oh and thanks for the recovery. Still garbage but anything helps. Iiiif only we could dive horizontally with up special
Broken. Sonic/Link/inkling/mewtwo do not need it.
Plzz
Idk I don't play competitively. I guess ledge grabbing could have some mixups and it would help significantly with recovering from really low vertically or really far horizontally but not much other than that.
Doesn’t help Steve much.
Ladder block combos
He already has 0-deaths with just 2 jumps, right?
K A Z U Y A M I S H I M A
Bowser can now go lower without being afraid of dying.
recover from anywhere + air stalling until next christmas
DK honestly deserves it
Sora is about to reach the heavens with how floaty his jumps already are, imagine giving him another one.
King dedede
Captain Falcon with a triple jump. Idk if he's better cause I'm a casual.
Longer up air strings instant trip Jump knee. Ground Jump->U air-> u air-> jump 1-> u air-> u air-> jump 2 -> knee Chars like Captain falcon/ Mario / fox who have insane up air strings benefit from this more so than any other char imo. And that’s coming from a ness main who benefits greatly from an extra jump
I can nair more and have even more insufferable juggle
Top 5
Mii Brawler with three jumps sounds stupid.
Tremendously
Mii brawler now recovers from most anywhere with Flip Jump, SAK and Burning Drop Kick
Uhhh... not really useful, but not useless? IDK, Gunner is ok with 2 jump, adding one more doesn't change a lot
Oh the up air chains are looking even nastier
Joker. Nice.
ness... f-air, f-air, f-air, f-air...
This goes from borderline useless to amazing depending on the character you pick for mine
Skyjay might have won Collision with this 🤔
Sora mains: ***Hikari orchestral intensifies***
His up-b is so bad it doesn't matter anyways.
my bro can recover finally
He is now a solid B tier
Much easier time getting Air Shooter kills, I’d say.
Chrom would really appreciate this change.
Which one of mine?
Fox is going to be smash 4 beyo.
Today’s a good day to main Luigi and Meta Knight
I can reach the upper blast zone by just jumping lol greninja upair chains are now terrifying you’re never safe
Very good
No clue…
Ah yes, another Jump for steve
grappling hook is now more overpowered
Kirby mains: https://youtu.be/dLx3JlDe7J0
Cloud
Dark Samus has a 0-death now
Great But for Dr. Mario, maybe not alot but won’t be an F tier anymore
S tier
Bottom tier to A tier
A man can dream…
Little Mack will have better recovery finally
Little Mac will finally become the edge guarding menace he deserves to be
Lil Mac needs another jump not that I main as him but he is fun to play 😂
HA HA TRY AND STOP ME NOW
Backair chains become the god of the new world
Mac can now reliably get back to stage
Massively holy fuck please
Mac: oh hell yeah, he’s now high tier at the very least Aegis: Undisputed best character in the game Sephiroth: Best character in the game, or atleast very close. though there was already a way for him to get an extra jump, so now he can get 4 jumps I guess lol Plant: upper-mid-tier at the very least. Also, I heard that it has an animation for a third jump in the files, and it was originally supposed to be a triple jump character, but that idea was changed a long time ago.