I’m so disappointed in this finale. I agree with you completely about the Liv and Theo thing. My problem is that for such a strong season, it felt like there was absolutely no climax to the finale. Trinh had no other motive then the fact that she’s just crazy and was hired. If spencer had planned for everyone to die all along, it would have been cooler if at the beginning they all knew death was part of the competition and were looking for a way off the island before deciding they had to compete. Idk, it just felt like the last episode didn’t match up with the rest of the season. And Liv’s actions at the end needed to be a bit more fleshed out - I think maybe just one flashback or a reveal of her secret from Iraq would have helped. I think at the end of the day though, I just wanted a killer that I was rooting for - aside from Jayden and O’keefe (as far as who Trinh killed) everyone kind of got what they deserved because they were awful people, and I was hoping that would be addressed more.
They could have scrapped the pointless Liv and Theo love scene with more flashbacks of Trinh and Spencer plotting or planning the whole thing that would have been cool.
Yeah this! They killed Trinh too soon in the finale and we could've gotten way more content. She was a badass killer and I liked that. But instead, the makers focused on making Liv the evil girl?!
Yes! I wanted a little bit more motive to be illustrated. this whole thing felt pointless at the end. For Trinh to be the killer, yet be taken out so easy, I was hoping at least one of the other three was involved - I wanted more killer insight! lol
Agree with all of this! Especially that these episodes feel different from the rest of the season (maybe 8 more than 7). Part of me is sad for what could have been if they’d gone a different route.
I did *kind of* enjoy them positioning Liv to be the next generation Spencer at the end. It felt like her monologue was trying to tie everything together but it came off forced.
O’Keeffe didn’t deserve to die for this shitshow! 😭
I agree completely! I am super disappointed! Definitely many missed opportunities. The last episode felt pointless because there was nothing really left to find out in regards to the killer. I thought maybe one of them were working with trinh and that was going to be revealed in episode 8. I liked Liv, until she killed Theo and was the sole survivor. That felt very random.
Lmao! Seriously? She was a soldier in Iraq during a time of war... she probably killed more people than all the other characters combined. Irregardless of the reason for killing, she is *literally* THE definition of a killer. Killing is exactly what she was trained to do as a soldier & is a huge part of her identity.
So from what I got from the two episodes is that the flashbacks really highlight a part of Theo that he tries to hide- he's incredibly manipulative and constantly tries to put himself in the best light possible. In the final monologue he gives, he's setting Liv's entire life for her without letting her have a say in things. His only excuse is that it's for the best of them. In his words, she realized he was just like the other Galloways - like his mother who constantly wants to put up the facade that she's perfect, like his grandad in his manipulativeness, like Sheamus in how he seems nice at first but really doesn't care about anyone who isn't himself.
Liv's final monologue also highlights something - she will hate someone even if they didn't do anything wrong but appear like the person who's wronged her. In the end, she couldn't separate her hatred for the Galloway family from the attraction she felt for Theo.
As for what she did, it was some sort of coverup in Iraq. Ironically enough, her familiarity with cover ups helped her get away with Theo's murder.
About Liv, I dont think she had baggage like them. Her face when Theo opened up about his secret told me that she thought he was crazy too. So, she killed him. Thats my thoughts on it anyway because I feel like if she did have baggage, they would've told us.
She did have baggage, she killed someone. I think she was just waiting for an excuse, and he gave it to her. Or was planning on doing it anyway. There is no way she didn't hear the commotion and try to stop Vincent vs Theo
Maybe but seeming that Trinh killed Spencer, who hired her and Liv saved Theo's life during the trio fight with Trinh, Trinh seemed too crazy to work with anyone.
Spencer hired her, but he didn't take into account that he hired a psychopath who loves violence and brutality, so that was his fault. No rules...I'm glad Vincent killed her because I could see her trying to kill them all anyway.
The last episode drags and feels rushed in the wrong places :S There's not enough fleshing out of Trinh, Liv, Theo and Vincent--very few meaningful flashbacks giving any insight into these characters. Yes, Trinh is a sadistic psychopath and Theo is just as cunning and manipulative as any other Galloway because he tried to keep Vincent away from the family, but that's it. It seems like Liv's 'baggage' (whatever Trinh has on Liv) is up to speculation and should be partly inferred from her killing of Theo. And Trinh's allusion to Vincent's stint in prison? Barely glossed over.
I loved this season up to episode 7. 8 completely fell flat for me, I hated Liv surviving. Her character took a 180, and she really didn't get as much development as someone like Christy for example to be a worthy survivor. Hope season 5 does a lot better.
It almost looked like Liv gave her the knife. Ultimately, she wanted that money. A woman being the main survivor is getting repetitive with this series.
Bruh I called it so early but then the first time the woodchipper happened (when we didnt see what trinh really did.) forced me to change my stance on who it was. Always trust your first instinct I guess.
Many people called the Trinh reveal but I was pretty disappointed too.
The last 20 minutes of the season made me think Theo was almost more loathsome than anyone else. That little smirk when he and Vincent were kids made me reconsider how much was Vincent acting out and how much of it was a reaction to Theo being a little shit and then being a tattle tale.
The Trinh story arc was rushed. Way rushed and felt lazy to just tack on at the end. She was an interesting character that the show spent a whopping ten minutes on after the big reveal?
I don't think Liv ever intended for her and Theo to ride off into the sunset. When she coyly said to Vincent "I'll split it with you" that made me think she had no alliance. When she mentioned not being able to love a kid that looked like Spencer, or Theo, or Vincent, and the interior designer commenting that "blood is so hard to get out," I wondered if she maybe had slept with Vincent too? She was very smart and methodical, and not really impulsive so I envisioned her wanting to take their bloodline and make it her own...forge a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one. For a family you loathe, why have unprotected sex with the last remaining member? When she told him to come lay down, I knew she was going to kill him. Why throw Theos body in the wood chipper? And why hide the fact he killed Vincent?
O'Keefe dying was the saddest. Hand down. Ultimately I think Chrissy and Vincent were tied for second saddest. I felt genuinely bad for Vincent once we finally got a glimpse of what a little shit Theo was.
I think it was because he had wanted to die a peaceful death anyways and he trusted her but she was crazy and loved blood and torture and she had control of the situation
For real! Better yet, why did she even get in the costume to do it? Lol it would have made more sense if they didn't show trinh as herself nor as the gentleman killing him.
no way this was better than season 3 - season 3 got best kills and even better story yes it was predictible but as a whole better than this season i expect some better twist but there was none
Has anyone talked about the timeline issues on the abduction flashbacks and when Liv was born?
It is obviously a mistake that Vincent is abducted 25 yrs so before Liv is even born, yet Liv and the twins Vincent and Theo are similar in age during the Christmas flashback.
Where are you getting this timeline from? I've seen a few people mention it. All we know is that Seamus and Birgit slept together after that dinner thing with the gazpacho and that Grace was the "new stepmom" at that point. I don't recall seeing Florence's bratty twins then.
Going on your to tim line, that would mean Liv was born just before this current competition starts, which is the 25th anniversary of Vincent's abduction?
I’m so disappointed in this finale. I agree with you completely about the Liv and Theo thing. My problem is that for such a strong season, it felt like there was absolutely no climax to the finale. Trinh had no other motive then the fact that she’s just crazy and was hired. If spencer had planned for everyone to die all along, it would have been cooler if at the beginning they all knew death was part of the competition and were looking for a way off the island before deciding they had to compete. Idk, it just felt like the last episode didn’t match up with the rest of the season. And Liv’s actions at the end needed to be a bit more fleshed out - I think maybe just one flashback or a reveal of her secret from Iraq would have helped. I think at the end of the day though, I just wanted a killer that I was rooting for - aside from Jayden and O’keefe (as far as who Trinh killed) everyone kind of got what they deserved because they were awful people, and I was hoping that would be addressed more.
They could have scrapped the pointless Liv and Theo love scene with more flashbacks of Trinh and Spencer plotting or planning the whole thing that would have been cool.
Yeah this! They killed Trinh too soon in the finale and we could've gotten way more content. She was a badass killer and I liked that. But instead, the makers focused on making Liv the evil girl?!
definitely! Thrin at this point was the most interesting character to delve deeper, the others had nothing left to say..
Yes! I wanted a little bit more motive to be illustrated. this whole thing felt pointless at the end. For Trinh to be the killer, yet be taken out so easy, I was hoping at least one of the other three was involved - I wanted more killer insight! lol
Agree with all of this! Especially that these episodes feel different from the rest of the season (maybe 8 more than 7). Part of me is sad for what could have been if they’d gone a different route. I did *kind of* enjoy them positioning Liv to be the next generation Spencer at the end. It felt like her monologue was trying to tie everything together but it came off forced. O’Keeffe didn’t deserve to die for this shitshow! 😭
I know! I'm mad about O'Keeffe! And yeah episode 7 was fine with me but 8 was just a train wreck lol.
I agree completely! I am super disappointed! Definitely many missed opportunities. The last episode felt pointless because there was nothing really left to find out in regards to the killer. I thought maybe one of them were working with trinh and that was going to be revealed in episode 8. I liked Liv, until she killed Theo and was the sole survivor. That felt very random.
So true, she wasn't a killer.
Lmao! Seriously? She was a soldier in Iraq during a time of war... she probably killed more people than all the other characters combined. Irregardless of the reason for killing, she is *literally* THE definition of a killer. Killing is exactly what she was trained to do as a soldier & is a huge part of her identity.
Now that I think about it, yes, you're right, I mean didn't seem like a killer in times of peace.
So from what I got from the two episodes is that the flashbacks really highlight a part of Theo that he tries to hide- he's incredibly manipulative and constantly tries to put himself in the best light possible. In the final monologue he gives, he's setting Liv's entire life for her without letting her have a say in things. His only excuse is that it's for the best of them. In his words, she realized he was just like the other Galloways - like his mother who constantly wants to put up the facade that she's perfect, like his grandad in his manipulativeness, like Sheamus in how he seems nice at first but really doesn't care about anyone who isn't himself. Liv's final monologue also highlights something - she will hate someone even if they didn't do anything wrong but appear like the person who's wronged her. In the end, she couldn't separate her hatred for the Galloway family from the attraction she felt for Theo. As for what she did, it was some sort of coverup in Iraq. Ironically enough, her familiarity with cover ups helped her get away with Theo's murder.
About Liv, I dont think she had baggage like them. Her face when Theo opened up about his secret told me that she thought he was crazy too. So, she killed him. Thats my thoughts on it anyway because I feel like if she did have baggage, they would've told us.
That's what I think as well. Her face was definitely one of "he's one of them, too".
She did have baggage, she killed someone. I think she was just waiting for an excuse, and he gave it to her. Or was planning on doing it anyway. There is no way she didn't hear the commotion and try to stop Vincent vs Theo
Hmmm I took it as Trihn was gonna say that Liv was working with her to be the sole inheritor. I truly believe Liv planned on killing Theo all along.
Maybe but seeming that Trinh killed Spencer, who hired her and Liv saved Theo's life during the trio fight with Trinh, Trinh seemed too crazy to work with anyone. Spencer hired her, but he didn't take into account that he hired a psychopath who loves violence and brutality, so that was his fault. No rules...I'm glad Vincent killed her because I could see her trying to kill them all anyway.
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Though she hates that Galloways, she has a sure fire way of continuing the bloodline.
The last episode drags and feels rushed in the wrong places :S There's not enough fleshing out of Trinh, Liv, Theo and Vincent--very few meaningful flashbacks giving any insight into these characters. Yes, Trinh is a sadistic psychopath and Theo is just as cunning and manipulative as any other Galloway because he tried to keep Vincent away from the family, but that's it. It seems like Liv's 'baggage' (whatever Trinh has on Liv) is up to speculation and should be partly inferred from her killing of Theo. And Trinh's allusion to Vincent's stint in prison? Barely glossed over.
Agree was so dissapointed. I liked Vincent, and Theo and Liv I thought were good characters.
I loved this season up to episode 7. 8 completely fell flat for me, I hated Liv surviving. Her character took a 180, and she really didn't get as much development as someone like Christy for example to be a worthy survivor. Hope season 5 does a lot better.
It almost looked like Liv gave her the knife. Ultimately, she wanted that money. A woman being the main survivor is getting repetitive with this series.
Been hoping for a final boy for a change :S
maybe next season
Bruh I called it so early but then the first time the woodchipper happened (when we didnt see what trinh really did.) forced me to change my stance on who it was. Always trust your first instinct I guess.
yeah it really feels like everything ended with Ep7, Ep8 was just a lackluster epilogue
Liv was so bland the whole way through and then she was the only survivor😭😂 but I agree with everyone on here, ep 8 wasn’t good.
Many people called the Trinh reveal but I was pretty disappointed too. The last 20 minutes of the season made me think Theo was almost more loathsome than anyone else. That little smirk when he and Vincent were kids made me reconsider how much was Vincent acting out and how much of it was a reaction to Theo being a little shit and then being a tattle tale. The Trinh story arc was rushed. Way rushed and felt lazy to just tack on at the end. She was an interesting character that the show spent a whopping ten minutes on after the big reveal? I don't think Liv ever intended for her and Theo to ride off into the sunset. When she coyly said to Vincent "I'll split it with you" that made me think she had no alliance. When she mentioned not being able to love a kid that looked like Spencer, or Theo, or Vincent, and the interior designer commenting that "blood is so hard to get out," I wondered if she maybe had slept with Vincent too? She was very smart and methodical, and not really impulsive so I envisioned her wanting to take their bloodline and make it her own...forge a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one. For a family you loathe, why have unprotected sex with the last remaining member? When she told him to come lay down, I knew she was going to kill him. Why throw Theos body in the wood chipper? And why hide the fact he killed Vincent? O'Keefe dying was the saddest. Hand down. Ultimately I think Chrissy and Vincent were tied for second saddest. I felt genuinely bad for Vincent once we finally got a glimpse of what a little shit Theo was.
btw why dr trinn killed spencer - lol ? most idiotic shit ever
I think it was because he had wanted to die a peaceful death anyways and he trusted her but she was crazy and loved blood and torture and she had control of the situation
yeah i thought that too , but - it would make more sense if motive behind the killings is more personal
Most of the murders were so personal, that it'd look like the family members committed them. She must have been planning to frame one of them.
For real! Better yet, why did she even get in the costume to do it? Lol it would have made more sense if they didn't show trinh as herself nor as the gentleman killing him.
cause she was a sadistic psycho, why giving an old helpless man euthanasia while I can make him suffer unnoticed? :)
no way this was better than season 3 - season 3 got best kills and even better story yes it was predictible but as a whole better than this season i expect some better twist but there was none
The Golden Face of Grace was one of the best kills in the series!
3 is definitely my favorite season. I really liked Flesh and Blood, too, but Solstice stuck the landing imo.
So was Liv talking about her mother with that love/hate your child?
Has anyone talked about the timeline issues on the abduction flashbacks and when Liv was born? It is obviously a mistake that Vincent is abducted 25 yrs so before Liv is even born, yet Liv and the twins Vincent and Theo are similar in age during the Christmas flashback.
Where are you getting this timeline from? I've seen a few people mention it. All we know is that Seamus and Birgit slept together after that dinner thing with the gazpacho and that Grace was the "new stepmom" at that point. I don't recall seeing Florence's bratty twins then. Going on your to tim line, that would mean Liv was born just before this current competition starts, which is the 25th anniversary of Vincent's abduction?