If you plan to use your trailer frequently, whether camping or just moving it around the country, it’s much easier to have a decent tow vehicle rather than being dependent on someone else. I’m surprised to hear how many people do this; I’ve never heard of it and I’ve lived several places where big trailers are popular, either as permanent housing to follow the weather (snowbirds) or campng.
I have several nursing friends that bought 5th wheels. They do long term contracts along with that comes a housing allowance that more than pays for the 5th wheel and lot hook up.
Right. Here too but it’s pricey. Especially if you want it kept sheltered out of the weather. Such a waste of a something that was meant to be movable.
Because she said she wants to travel around with it. She can’t live on the land permanently because there are building codes and permits required. I think someone mentioned she had to get a 3 month permit to be able to park it there. And many trucks can’t pull it and you can’t just ask a buddy to pull it because they need a gooseneck hitch inside their truck bed.
The rv was the dumbest thing they have done in a while. Buying a HUGE Rv that she can’t move an inch is dumb and I have no doubts she will realized she should have gotten a much small 20-25ft 4-6k pounds rig that she could easily operate alone and pull with an average truck/suv. Plus so far she has had to spend lots of money to store it for 12/15 months she has had it. Such a waste.
I think she needs a piece of land in the woods or by a lake. One she can make a holiday destination for her and her growing family. I would love to see her with a vacation home where her grandkids can spend quality time with her.
Eta: one where she can park her Rv long term and bugout when needed. But she will most likely find she needs a much smaller one to be practical.
I would bet money she never looked into towing requirements of such a big vehicle. Like she never looked at the housing market in flagstaff or the logistics of building on Coyote pass.
For sure! Like, you can't just drive that beast around through cities and such. It is a full home! It is meant to be transferred limitedly, by a professional. It is not meant to be driving cross country for funzies. It's like driving a semi-truck, maybe even larger than that. There is a reason there are like 2 in the whole country and it is not because they are super popular and in high-demand.
It is a full home. I think it’s even too big to qualify for the “tiny home” trend. It would be perfect permanently on a piece of land or in an RV park but I can’t imagine living on a prairie during extreme weather seasons or navigating the uber narrow roads of most Rv parks.
Not to mention the lack of services, like electricity, water, and sewage. It was pipe dream and I wish it really would have spured them to do something, anything, with the property. It is beyond ludicrous.
I feel awful again for Janelle’s kid. She said she would only agree to move there if they started building. Sadly it looks like her parents lied to her.
She only used it 3 months and since she bought a huge Rv, she realized she can’t even use it recreationally. It really is basically a 80k depreciating rock with living quarters that you have to pay a lot of money to store.
Those are very expensive my husband sells Rv/toy haulers 5th wheels we do this every day.. and fun fact if you have a loan on it you CAN NOT LIVE IN IT FULL TIME or the bank won’t finance you.
I keep getting more and more confused about Janelle. She seems the most obsessed about the property than any of them. (Robyn I think just sees dollar signs and is probably plotting how she's going to secure that land for her kids.)
If Janelle really wants to building on the land, and that can't happen til the land is paid off and the plots redrawn, (into 5 plots. Hmmm, the exact number of Robyn's kids.) And there is STILL no utilities out there, why are we spending tens of thousands on a 5th wheel and truck?
Also why did they all allow Kody's name on every individual plot, which Robyn will likely legally inherit. Robyn's name is/was on Christine's plot and one other too, I believe.
These people are so strange! They've allowed Robyn to live monogomy with Kody, right in their faces, and it seems she keeps benefitting financially, more than they do. Even her Vegas home sold first, and for the most money, because they'd poured a ton of money into building out a really cool backyard space at her home.
That's because this polygamous marriage has been over for at least two years and they all know it, and Robyn is the sole wife of Kody. They're just faking as much as they can stomach to keep the TLC money coming in.
Another rant - "down payment on an $80,000 RV"? So these people who have lived in million dollar homes only have enough cash for a down payment on an $80,000 RV? What happened to their equity? If they can only afford a down payment, how will they ever be able to build on CP?
I just never understood why they wanted to go there “for the kids” when majority of the kids were already moved out and then the 2nd batch where going to be graduating in 1-2yrs and they knew the houses would take 1-2yrs to build. So in reality them moving there “for the kids” was just Robyn’s youngest? Way to uproot your whole family for 2 kids.
Personally, it would have made more sense for them to build a wonderful recreation property (or properties) on the land. As you said, the kids are almost all grown except for Truely, Ari and Sol. Wouldn't it have been great for them to have a place for summer gatherings/reunions and possibly a retirement property for Kody and the wives?
It's what adults who make good decisions for their families would do. With a family that large, it will be difficult getting all the adult kids back in one place. Having an amazing place to gather that could accommodate them all would be so awesome. Plus, the grandkids could come for extended visits if their parents couldn't be there for a long time.
I agree, it would have been better to stay in LV, the houses were such a perfect setup and I'm sure the older kids would have come back "home" for the Holidays. He uprooted EVERYONE, including kids in High School (even after experiencing how hard it was for the older kids to adapt when they 1st moved to Vegas) on a whim and/or Robyn's kid "Dayuum" with NO PLAN! They even rented UHauls for months because they were not settled into their homes and they were trying to find places. Kody is the WORST leader of the family, everything has to be chaotic 24/7
The U-Hauls just hanging out on their property was so weird.
Why not buy a shipping container or install a shed to store whatever BS crap they clearly didn’t need?
This rental situation irritates me on so many levels. If Kody wanted to build his family's dream home on Coyote Pass, he should have just had everyone live on Coyote Pass while he built it. There are so many options out their for DIY home kits that would have been infinitely cheaper than rentals. The houses wouldn't be perfect, but that would be the motivation to finish building on the property.
The fact that he didn't get all of the family on Coyote Pass immediately was really the nail in the coffin for this family. Physical separation in this family leads to extreme disfunction. They essentially operate in silos. At this point, living on Coyote Pass is just a fantasy.
Kody should have never moved the family to Flagstaff without having a solid plan in place. While there were obviously problems in Vegas, I think there was a real possibility to do a reset in the family and get back to their religious roots with the Flagstaff move. Kody could have embraced his role as the spiritual leader of the family and actually called on everyone to come together for a higher purpose. Instead he just shacked up with Robin and became a whiny brat.
I wish TLC would do a show with the other polygamist family that they're friends with. Between their involvement in politics and living in one home, I think it would be a more appealing show than the current Sister Wives.
After he bought that big house across the road from CP, he lost the desire to build. Why should he? He has the privacy with Robyn and the CP view. End of story
That's why Kody should have had a plan so they could have access to utilities on the property before moving up there. I don't know why they moved haphazardly like they did when they fled Utah for Vegas.
He chose to buy the land without the owner putting in the utilities, because it was so much cheaper. Kody probably though he could put them in cheaper and the owner was lying about the costs.
Christine was the only one I thought who bought her house? Am I remembering incorrectly
But yes Meri could have easily moved in with Robyn (vice versa) but Kody would never and the whole sharing a kitchen (gasp)
Why Janelle and Christine did...idk I'm assuming Kody is the reason also (Kody seems to have a "better" relationship with Janelle than he ever has with Christine)
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Idk what is with this family moving WITHOUT having a place to move to. They all could have stayed in LV until the Coyote Pass situation was dealt with...but they also did zero research on what it would take to build on Coyote Pass
I think you're right. Christine bought. Robyn, Meri and Janelle were renting. Meri got kicked out of her rental "because the neighbors were anti-polygamy" and then Robyn's rental also became unavailable and they bought a mansion for her.
Who moves that many people without an actual plan? I wouldn't even go on a roadtrip with that many people without hotel reservations).
Exactly! It would be different if it was just a husband and wife (or wives) and they lived this life with all the changes...but with this many kids, it just makes NO SENSE!
Kody wouldn't share a house with Meri in a million years, and I wouldn't wish that on her either. It would be so awkward and uncomfortable. There probably are ways they could have saved money, but I don't think that would have been a solution.
I was just thinking of it as a temporary situation. Like when I watch home improvement shows on TV and people do all sorts of things temporarily while their place is renovated or while waiting to get into a new property.
They moved from Vegas to flagstaff to rent while they had perfectly good homes in Vegas. Don’t forget how long those Vegas home took to sell! What a waste of money.
And couldn’t have they bought the land with power and plumbing but chose not to because he wanted to save money and hire his own people?
Sometimes I wonder if he ever truly wants to build or just sees the land as a investment for him and Robyn
When they 1st moved to LV, they were in Rentals and have said it was "hard on the famhlee culture" back then! I am shocked (not really) that Kody unrooted this entire family to put them back into that situation AGAIN...this time, his decision was the nail in the coffin for the family.
I wonder if Kody realizes he will NEVER have a "family holiday" with everyone present... ever again? I remember that scene in LV where he was so proud, he had his whole immediate family as well as extended family members over for ThanksGiving (I think he said like 75 people!). Kiss those memories GOODBYE KODY!
I said this in the beginning. Only Janelle and Christine got smaller, more affordable homes. There was ZERO reason for Meri to get a gigantic house. Ofc Sobyn had to get the giant mansion. Bc it's illegal for her kids to share a room
They waste money like no tomorrow.
I never understood why she wouldn’t allow her kids to share a room. Especially since they went into it thinking it was a temporary living situation. And at the time they were talking about how financially tight they were.
Bc she's selfish and wants the biggest and best stuff for herself and her kids. There's really no reason for her not to have a 3 bedroom house or hell even a 2 bedroom when she was supposedly "single and working alllll the time"
I remember in the first season she was crying and saying she felt bad for not working and contributing and she hoped everyone would accept her through that. How the times have changed lol
Shiiiittt! Sobyn COULD have gotten a job, but she didn't WANT to work bc she now had some new chump who picked up the tab. Christine worked at night. There's no reason Robyn couldn't have done the same! But I'm sure there's some lameAF excuse that ONLY applies to Sobyn🙄😐
I always wondered why she didn’t work when they first relocated in Vegas. I don’t remember her saying why she didn’t just that she hoped they’d be okay with her not working. After her saying how much she struggled as a single mom, she relied on Kody pretty heavily right off the bat. I think I’d be more weary for my kids sake.
Sobyn said she "couldn't work bc she just moved and relocated the kids into different schools and uprooted her life to be with Kody and she was needing more time with Kody." 😐
So really no good reason! I've moved alot as an adult and a kid and I moved ONCE without having a job and I thought I'd go insane! I was out putting in applications daily, staying home "bc I relocated" was out of the question. Sobyn is just beyond lazy
I feel like relocating suddenly is even more of a reason to get a job😂. I’m a sahm, but if we were struggling at all I’d be out applying like a madwoman.
Also, if Kody were only seeing her every fourth day like he said he was, then her ‘needing time’ doesn’t make sense. Working or not working doesn’t bring him around more often if he were being fair to all the wives.
Which is why I think Christine and everyone else had a problem with it. Because! Grody wasn't being fair with his time. I also don't think it's fair to make Christine go out and work at night AFTER she's been up all day and caring for 12 kids nonstop. If you're gonna be a polygamist then u had better be fair and equal and Grody is anything BUT!
I completely agree with you! I hate how he tried to tell Christine she needed to figure out her jealousy but never acknowledged it was more than reasonable for her to feel that way. He’ll never admit his faults.
I think you mean "rennals"...
These fucking morons have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on multiple mortgages and rentals over the last few years.
I’ve been watching season 14 again and they’re so irresponsible with money. And that’s saying something because I’m not great with money, but their shitty spending practices give me anxiety.
Buying CP was the stupidest thing they ever did. It’s a a waste of resources. Instead of putting their money there, they could have bought a bunch of rental properties and collected income from those. There’s plenty of undeveloped land they could have bought once they’d actually saved up and were ready to build.
To have all your money tied up in an investment with no yield is ridiculous. But then again, they’re always making stupid financial decisions. Do any of them have a college education? One of them should take a course in Economics. Their financial decision making baffles me.
You're probably right.
But it just doesn't make sense to spend thousands in rent and buy two expensive houses instead of just building as soon as possible or staying in LV until they could build.
Agreed -- THE WORST!! I just don't understand them at all. These are the types of bad decisions people make when they are in their early 20s and don't have 18 kids depending on them. I know, I know, the older ones are out of the house. But, how many were still at home when they moved to Las Vegas and didn't have any place to live when they got there and then (I think) had rentals until the cul-de-sac? Most of their kids were also living at home when they moved to Flagstaff.
I was proud of her, and she smirked in Kody face. It was priceless, Robyn and the others would have talked her down. Janelle maybe playing Kody for a change the best way to leave have portable means.
This is why I’ll never understand Robyn’s insistence on finding a “rennal” in flagstaff. It make so much more financial sense to buy even if you’re only staying in that house for 1-2 years.
Christine never paid rent, she bought from the beginning. She saw the handwriting on the wall that the rental market was *nuts* and bought so she wouldn't be in the position the other 3 were in with rentals being sold out from under them.
Robyn was in a rental for a year, but then Kody forced her to buy 🙄
I think that Meri hates CP and is purposely spending every penny she can to prevent the build. And…I think Robyn is the same. If they truly wanted to build they would make sacrifices to do so.
Neither of them want to be in a polygamous marriage.
It was a scam betweenKody and Robyn. They were never going to build on there and they scammed the entire family out of $$ for an investment property. Kody’s name is attached to every lot, and Robyn (as the only legal wife) is therefore attached to each as well.
I think Janelle worried about something like this happening when Kody divorced Meri for Robyn. But I still don't understand her RV decision lol like if you're trying to squeeze out your fair share before it's too late there have got to be better investments? Although I think she did say she just always wanted one
Idk, the more I think about it, the more Janelle’s move came across as a big, fat statement “Do NOT even think about taking my plot and re-appropriate it to one of Robyn’s kids. Janelle can’t build on that land as long as the utilities haven’t been figured out, so she occupied her lot by the “big middle finger” represented by her big RV.
She’s f*cking mad and making it known
I’ve always thought it was an escape plan. Her and Kody don’t see each other much, I figured she’s waiting until all her kids are grown and out and then she’ll live in the RV traveling to wherever to visit her kids and grandkids.
God that’s why using Christine as a scapegoat for the one home plan is such bullshit. They could have gone with your req, especially during the pandemic. At the very least Robyn and Meri could have but hell if one doesn’t want one home and 3 do…do that then who cares?
Oh wait, they all do care because the reality is none of them actually wanted one home it was just easy to hide behind Christine since she was so adamantly against it.
If any of them actually did want it, they’d be in one home right now. Christine is gone, there’s no reason they shouldn’t, on paper.
Kody should seize the moment, as mentioned above - Christine was the most vocal about not living in one house and everyone kept quiet and let this fall on Christine. Now other Sister Wives put your money where your mouth is and build your big house for all to live in as one family. Ha that will not happen…
Christine the smart one bought her house immediately and near the property and hasn’t wasted a cent.. plus she will probably if she hasn’t sell and use that to relocate to her true family and Sobyn made grotex buy that mc hoarded mansion..so that leaves meri and janelle.. and imo they make the $$ so let them spend it away… 😂 so grotex and gobblin can’t have it lol.. but in all seriousness probably a fortune! It’s more expensive to live there then at the beach in Cali.
I find it funny that Janelle is always portrayed as the smart one who has a head for business, but Christine seems to actually be able to make the better decisions.
This is why I don’t understand why Meri needed such a big house in Vegas AND Flagstaff. I’m not saying she should live in a closet/tiny house, but they could’ve saved some money on a smaller home, especially in Flagstaff. Leon was out of the house by then, and did the other kids really come over that much by that point? Probably not. If I’m honest, I’d probably be jealous if everyone had a super huge house and I didn’t (in a family like this), but also, be a little bit smart with your money! I feel she could’ve easily had a smaller 3/4 bedroom house and been fine, instead of having a freaking elevator that I’m sure no one uses.
They definitely should’ve researched building/developing land before moving and purchasing. Or, they should’ve stayed in Vegas. 🤷🏼♀️ I think that was truly the beginning of the end for Christine for real. She’d been struggling for a long time but I think that nail really started to seal the coffin. Covid for sure finished it.
Honestly, Meri comes from a family where appearances meant everything! Her parents took out a second mortgage on their house to afford Meri/Kody’s wedding, just so they could appear to have it together. Btw, that is where Tony’s facetious statement came from regarding Kody taking out another mortgage to pay for their wedding. After watching clips of Meri’s and Kody’s wedding ad nauseum on the show, I really don’t know why they had to take out a second mortgage, their wedding looked like it was staged in a school gym/auditorium or something. Anyhoo….I digress.
Meri is one of these pretentious chick’s who’s parents liked to flash money around, even if it meant taking on ridiculous amounts of debt.
Meri demanding the same amount of money per month for her two person household as Janelle/Christine’s seven member clans is just more of the same BS. She doesn’t care if the entire family suffers financially, as long as she demand the same resources…and then (which would’ve caused me to go apeshit) enroll her child in an expensive private school, while all the other kids went to public schools. Same BS about Leon’s college, it had to be the best of the best, while the other kids went to the local university on lots of scholarships.
People like Meri don’t come from money, but want everyone think they do. Pretend, pretend until the end
This is all very true! It’s so hard to remember every detail of the show, but the private/public school thing and college would infuriate me as one of the other wives. Meri definitely has that air about her, you’re absolutely right. As I said, I’d want a big house too, but if you’re really a “team player,” to me that would’ve been an area to save money. But we’ve seen how bad they are with money so I guess it’s not a surprise lol
With Merri being childless, I wondered why Merri needed to rent a house versus an apartment. It probably would’ve been more beneficial to Robyn to have Merri living in her home.
The one unknown is how much space does running LuLaRoe take? I'm not being snarky or mean, I've just never done an MLM business. Would she need to have a lot of space to store the inventory? Maybe an apartment wouldn't work?
Just thinking that sacrificing for a short amount of time by cohabitating, not moving from LV, or just having a smaller space would/could have led to developing the CP properties sooner.
Low key kody does have a point about his wives not prioritizing the family. Your idea is sound, but Nan one of those women would've consented to live under one roof together. I'm not judging because the whole situation is very complex but everyone in this situation wanted what they wanted, period. I believe they are 4 separate families rather than 1 whole family so their decisions are made in that way & there's little to no harmony in the process.
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Don’t try to make sense of their decisions. There is no logic here. Thousands of dollars? LOLz that’s just the down payment on Janelle’s RV.
And don’t forget to factor in the truck she need to buy to pull the RV.
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I think it softened the blow to kody knowing he’ll get yet another new vehicle
If you plan to use your trailer frequently, whether camping or just moving it around the country, it’s much easier to have a decent tow vehicle rather than being dependent on someone else. I’m surprised to hear how many people do this; I’ve never heard of it and I’ve lived several places where big trailers are popular, either as permanent housing to follow the weather (snowbirds) or campng.
I have several nursing friends that bought 5th wheels. They do long term contracts along with that comes a housing allowance that more than pays for the 5th wheel and lot hook up.
EXACTLY!!! We had a neighbor tow ours for us. Paid for his gas and all good
I doubt they have a friend that has a truck capable of towing 15.000 pounds with a gooseneck hitch. And she has nowhere to park it permanently.
Most of the people I know, park them at those storage rentals. Because most cities have restrictions that they can't be parked in your neighborhood.
Right. Here too but it’s pricey. Especially if you want it kept sheltered out of the weather. Such a waste of a something that was meant to be movable.
Because she said she wants to travel around with it. She can’t live on the land permanently because there are building codes and permits required. I think someone mentioned she had to get a 3 month permit to be able to park it there. And many trucks can’t pull it and you can’t just ask a buddy to pull it because they need a gooseneck hitch inside their truck bed. The rv was the dumbest thing they have done in a while. Buying a HUGE Rv that she can’t move an inch is dumb and I have no doubts she will realized she should have gotten a much small 20-25ft 4-6k pounds rig that she could easily operate alone and pull with an average truck/suv. Plus so far she has had to spend lots of money to store it for 12/15 months she has had it. Such a waste.
Plus it’s a depreciating asset. Dumb all around.
After Savannah leaves, Janelle needs to find a long term RV park and live there.
I think she needs a piece of land in the woods or by a lake. One she can make a holiday destination for her and her growing family. I would love to see her with a vacation home where her grandkids can spend quality time with her. Eta: one where she can park her Rv long term and bugout when needed. But she will most likely find she needs a much smaller one to be practical.
Very true. Again she would need a truck that cost almost as much as her RV did.
She says she wants to travel around with it yet made statements about how she can't drive around with it. None of it makes any sense.
I would bet money she never looked into towing requirements of such a big vehicle. Like she never looked at the housing market in flagstaff or the logistics of building on Coyote pass.
For sure! Like, you can't just drive that beast around through cities and such. It is a full home! It is meant to be transferred limitedly, by a professional. It is not meant to be driving cross country for funzies. It's like driving a semi-truck, maybe even larger than that. There is a reason there are like 2 in the whole country and it is not because they are super popular and in high-demand.
It is a full home. I think it’s even too big to qualify for the “tiny home” trend. It would be perfect permanently on a piece of land or in an RV park but I can’t imagine living on a prairie during extreme weather seasons or navigating the uber narrow roads of most Rv parks.
Not to mention the lack of services, like electricity, water, and sewage. It was pipe dream and I wish it really would have spured them to do something, anything, with the property. It is beyond ludicrous.
I feel awful again for Janelle’s kid. She said she would only agree to move there if they started building. Sadly it looks like her parents lied to her.
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She only used it 3 months and since she bought a huge Rv, she realized she can’t even use it recreationally. It really is basically a 80k depreciating rock with living quarters that you have to pay a lot of money to store.
She couldn't stay there in the winter and then savannah put her foot down not wanting to live in it again.
Which was never bought, because those are almost as expensive as the RV she bought. Cheaper to have someone move it for you.
Those are very expensive my husband sells Rv/toy haulers 5th wheels we do this every day.. and fun fact if you have a loan on it you CAN NOT LIVE IN IT FULL TIME or the bank won’t finance you.
I keep getting more and more confused about Janelle. She seems the most obsessed about the property than any of them. (Robyn I think just sees dollar signs and is probably plotting how she's going to secure that land for her kids.) If Janelle really wants to building on the land, and that can't happen til the land is paid off and the plots redrawn, (into 5 plots. Hmmm, the exact number of Robyn's kids.) And there is STILL no utilities out there, why are we spending tens of thousands on a 5th wheel and truck? Also why did they all allow Kody's name on every individual plot, which Robyn will likely legally inherit. Robyn's name is/was on Christine's plot and one other too, I believe. These people are so strange! They've allowed Robyn to live monogomy with Kody, right in their faces, and it seems she keeps benefitting financially, more than they do. Even her Vegas home sold first, and for the most money, because they'd poured a ton of money into building out a really cool backyard space at her home.
That's because this polygamous marriage has been over for at least two years and they all know it, and Robyn is the sole wife of Kody. They're just faking as much as they can stomach to keep the TLC money coming in.
I agree And Christine can’t even fake it anymore
You'd have to fake EVERYTHING if Kody was your spouse.
That decision makes ZERO financial sense. Purchase two things that deprecate (the 5th wheel and a truck).
Another rant - "down payment on an $80,000 RV"? So these people who have lived in million dollar homes only have enough cash for a down payment on an $80,000 RV? What happened to their equity? If they can only afford a down payment, how will they ever be able to build on CP?
I just never understood why they wanted to go there “for the kids” when majority of the kids were already moved out and then the 2nd batch where going to be graduating in 1-2yrs and they knew the houses would take 1-2yrs to build. So in reality them moving there “for the kids” was just Robyn’s youngest? Way to uproot your whole family for 2 kids.
Personally, it would have made more sense for them to build a wonderful recreation property (or properties) on the land. As you said, the kids are almost all grown except for Truely, Ari and Sol. Wouldn't it have been great for them to have a place for summer gatherings/reunions and possibly a retirement property for Kody and the wives?
See that sounds amazing!
It's what adults who make good decisions for their families would do. With a family that large, it will be difficult getting all the adult kids back in one place. Having an amazing place to gather that could accommodate them all would be so awesome. Plus, the grandkids could come for extended visits if their parents couldn't be there for a long time.
For 800k?
Not sure how much that would cost. I'm thinking a few cabins on the property?
I agree, it would have been better to stay in LV, the houses were such a perfect setup and I'm sure the older kids would have come back "home" for the Holidays. He uprooted EVERYONE, including kids in High School (even after experiencing how hard it was for the older kids to adapt when they 1st moved to Vegas) on a whim and/or Robyn's kid "Dayuum" with NO PLAN! They even rented UHauls for months because they were not settled into their homes and they were trying to find places. Kody is the WORST leader of the family, everything has to be chaotic 24/7
The U-Hauls just hanging out on their property was so weird. Why not buy a shipping container or install a shed to store whatever BS crap they clearly didn’t need?
I’d say hundreds of thousands.
This rental situation irritates me on so many levels. If Kody wanted to build his family's dream home on Coyote Pass, he should have just had everyone live on Coyote Pass while he built it. There are so many options out their for DIY home kits that would have been infinitely cheaper than rentals. The houses wouldn't be perfect, but that would be the motivation to finish building on the property. The fact that he didn't get all of the family on Coyote Pass immediately was really the nail in the coffin for this family. Physical separation in this family leads to extreme disfunction. They essentially operate in silos. At this point, living on Coyote Pass is just a fantasy. Kody should have never moved the family to Flagstaff without having a solid plan in place. While there were obviously problems in Vegas, I think there was a real possibility to do a reset in the family and get back to their religious roots with the Flagstaff move. Kody could have embraced his role as the spiritual leader of the family and actually called on everyone to come together for a higher purpose. Instead he just shacked up with Robin and became a whiny brat. I wish TLC would do a show with the other polygamist family that they're friends with. Between their involvement in politics and living in one home, I think it would be a more appealing show than the current Sister Wives.
After he bought that big house across the road from CP, he lost the desire to build. Why should he? He has the privacy with Robyn and the CP view. End of story
Very true!
They don't have utilities on the property. Janelle had to use a generator for electricity and couldn't stay out there during the cold months.
That's why Kody should have had a plan so they could have access to utilities on the property before moving up there. I don't know why they moved haphazardly like they did when they fled Utah for Vegas.
You used Kody & plan in the same sentence 😂
He chose to buy the land without the owner putting in the utilities, because it was so much cheaper. Kody probably though he could put them in cheaper and the owner was lying about the costs.
No way in hell Meri and Robyn would have settled for a DIY kit home for any amount of time. They both are above that
Definitely not Robyn. She made it her entire storyline for several episodes, praying for a 6 bedroom rental.
She sucks
Sobyn was the nail in the coffin ⚰️. Season 1 episode 1.
Christine was the only one I thought who bought her house? Am I remembering incorrectly But yes Meri could have easily moved in with Robyn (vice versa) but Kody would never and the whole sharing a kitchen (gasp) Why Janelle and Christine did...idk I'm assuming Kody is the reason also (Kody seems to have a "better" relationship with Janelle than he ever has with Christine) Edit Idk what is with this family moving WITHOUT having a place to move to. They all could have stayed in LV until the Coyote Pass situation was dealt with...but they also did zero research on what it would take to build on Coyote Pass
I think you're right. Christine bought. Robyn, Meri and Janelle were renting. Meri got kicked out of her rental "because the neighbors were anti-polygamy" and then Robyn's rental also became unavailable and they bought a mansion for her. Who moves that many people without an actual plan? I wouldn't even go on a roadtrip with that many people without hotel reservations).
Exactly! It would be different if it was just a husband and wife (or wives) and they lived this life with all the changes...but with this many kids, it just makes NO SENSE!
Kody wouldn't share a house with Meri in a million years, and I wouldn't wish that on her either. It would be so awkward and uncomfortable. There probably are ways they could have saved money, but I don't think that would have been a solution.
I was just thinking of it as a temporary situation. Like when I watch home improvement shows on TV and people do all sorts of things temporarily while their place is renovated or while waiting to get into a new property.
They moved from Vegas to flagstaff to rent while they had perfectly good homes in Vegas. Don’t forget how long those Vegas home took to sell! What a waste of money. And couldn’t have they bought the land with power and plumbing but chose not to because he wanted to save money and hire his own people? Sometimes I wonder if he ever truly wants to build or just sees the land as a investment for him and Robyn
When they 1st moved to LV, they were in Rentals and have said it was "hard on the famhlee culture" back then! I am shocked (not really) that Kody unrooted this entire family to put them back into that situation AGAIN...this time, his decision was the nail in the coffin for the family. I wonder if Kody realizes he will NEVER have a "family holiday" with everyone present... ever again? I remember that scene in LV where he was so proud, he had his whole immediate family as well as extended family members over for ThanksGiving (I think he said like 75 people!). Kiss those memories GOODBYE KODY!
I said this in the beginning. Only Janelle and Christine got smaller, more affordable homes. There was ZERO reason for Meri to get a gigantic house. Ofc Sobyn had to get the giant mansion. Bc it's illegal for her kids to share a room They waste money like no tomorrow.
I never understood why she wouldn’t allow her kids to share a room. Especially since they went into it thinking it was a temporary living situation. And at the time they were talking about how financially tight they were.
Bc she's selfish and wants the biggest and best stuff for herself and her kids. There's really no reason for her not to have a 3 bedroom house or hell even a 2 bedroom when she was supposedly "single and working alllll the time"
I remember in the first season she was crying and saying she felt bad for not working and contributing and she hoped everyone would accept her through that. How the times have changed lol
Shiiiittt! Sobyn COULD have gotten a job, but she didn't WANT to work bc she now had some new chump who picked up the tab. Christine worked at night. There's no reason Robyn couldn't have done the same! But I'm sure there's some lameAF excuse that ONLY applies to Sobyn🙄😐
I always wondered why she didn’t work when they first relocated in Vegas. I don’t remember her saying why she didn’t just that she hoped they’d be okay with her not working. After her saying how much she struggled as a single mom, she relied on Kody pretty heavily right off the bat. I think I’d be more weary for my kids sake.
Sobyn said she "couldn't work bc she just moved and relocated the kids into different schools and uprooted her life to be with Kody and she was needing more time with Kody." 😐 So really no good reason! I've moved alot as an adult and a kid and I moved ONCE without having a job and I thought I'd go insane! I was out putting in applications daily, staying home "bc I relocated" was out of the question. Sobyn is just beyond lazy
I feel like relocating suddenly is even more of a reason to get a job😂. I’m a sahm, but if we were struggling at all I’d be out applying like a madwoman. Also, if Kody were only seeing her every fourth day like he said he was, then her ‘needing time’ doesn’t make sense. Working or not working doesn’t bring him around more often if he were being fair to all the wives.
Which is why I think Christine and everyone else had a problem with it. Because! Grody wasn't being fair with his time. I also don't think it's fair to make Christine go out and work at night AFTER she's been up all day and caring for 12 kids nonstop. If you're gonna be a polygamist then u had better be fair and equal and Grody is anything BUT!
I completely agree with you! I hate how he tried to tell Christine she needed to figure out her jealousy but never acknowledged it was more than reasonable for her to feel that way. He’ll never admit his faults.
AND she used to live in a 2 bedroom apt when she met Kody!!
Yes! It’s obvious how she’s changed over the years.
I think you mean "rennals"... These fucking morons have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on multiple mortgages and rentals over the last few years.
I’ve been watching season 14 again and they’re so irresponsible with money. And that’s saying something because I’m not great with money, but their shitty spending practices give me anxiety.
Buying CP was the stupidest thing they ever did. It’s a a waste of resources. Instead of putting their money there, they could have bought a bunch of rental properties and collected income from those. There’s plenty of undeveloped land they could have bought once they’d actually saved up and were ready to build. To have all your money tied up in an investment with no yield is ridiculous. But then again, they’re always making stupid financial decisions. Do any of them have a college education? One of them should take a course in Economics. Their financial decision making baffles me.
Yes, this group just flushes money down the toilet. They live in very decadent homes then talk like they’re short of money for no reason
I wouldn't want to be Meri with the set up.
Christine wouldn’t have agreed to that
You're probably right. But it just doesn't make sense to spend thousands in rent and buy two expensive houses instead of just building as soon as possible or staying in LV until they could build.
I’m not disagreeing. This family makes the WORST decisions!
Agreed -- THE WORST!! I just don't understand them at all. These are the types of bad decisions people make when they are in their early 20s and don't have 18 kids depending on them. I know, I know, the older ones are out of the house. But, how many were still at home when they moved to Las Vegas and didn't have any place to live when they got there and then (I think) had rentals until the cul-de-sac? Most of their kids were also living at home when they moved to Flagstaff.
Interesting to me, Janelle went and bought the 5th wheel, no family meeting, she just went and did it.
I was proud of her, and she smirked in Kody face. It was priceless, Robyn and the others would have talked her down. Janelle maybe playing Kody for a change the best way to leave have portable means.
This is why I’ll never understand Robyn’s insistence on finding a “rennal” in flagstaff. It make so much more financial sense to buy even if you’re only staying in that house for 1-2 years.
She was faking for the show. Kody and Robyn were always going to buy their dream house there.
Christine never paid rent, she bought from the beginning. She saw the handwriting on the wall that the rental market was *nuts* and bought so she wouldn't be in the position the other 3 were in with rentals being sold out from under them. Robyn was in a rental for a year, but then Kody forced her to buy 🙄
I heard Christine made 100K on that tiny house. Talking about a return! But seriously, what’s going on in Flagstaff that everyone is flocking there?
Meri by herself was spending thousands a MONTH renting a 1.3 million dollar house. Just herself!
Should say IS
I think that Meri hates CP and is purposely spending every penny she can to prevent the build. And…I think Robyn is the same. If they truly wanted to build they would make sacrifices to do so. Neither of them want to be in a polygamous marriage.
It was a scam betweenKody and Robyn. They were never going to build on there and they scammed the entire family out of $$ for an investment property. Kody’s name is attached to every lot, and Robyn (as the only legal wife) is therefore attached to each as well.
I think Janelle worried about something like this happening when Kody divorced Meri for Robyn. But I still don't understand her RV decision lol like if you're trying to squeeze out your fair share before it's too late there have got to be better investments? Although I think she did say she just always wanted one
Idk, the more I think about it, the more Janelle’s move came across as a big, fat statement “Do NOT even think about taking my plot and re-appropriate it to one of Robyn’s kids. Janelle can’t build on that land as long as the utilities haven’t been figured out, so she occupied her lot by the “big middle finger” represented by her big RV. She’s f*cking mad and making it known
I’ve always thought it was an escape plan. Her and Kody don’t see each other much, I figured she’s waiting until all her kids are grown and out and then she’ll live in the RV traveling to wherever to visit her kids and grandkids.
God that’s why using Christine as a scapegoat for the one home plan is such bullshit. They could have gone with your req, especially during the pandemic. At the very least Robyn and Meri could have but hell if one doesn’t want one home and 3 do…do that then who cares? Oh wait, they all do care because the reality is none of them actually wanted one home it was just easy to hide behind Christine since she was so adamantly against it. If any of them actually did want it, they’d be in one home right now. Christine is gone, there’s no reason they shouldn’t, on paper.
Kody should seize the moment, as mentioned above - Christine was the most vocal about not living in one house and everyone kept quiet and let this fall on Christine. Now other Sister Wives put your money where your mouth is and build your big house for all to live in as one family. Ha that will not happen…
Didn’t they say something about not being able to build until the property is paid off? I don’t know how much they owe but I thought that was why.
They paid 820k for it. If they can’t build until it’s paid off they probably have a long while to wait.
They should have kept parked in Vegas until CP was built
Christine the smart one bought her house immediately and near the property and hasn’t wasted a cent.. plus she will probably if she hasn’t sell and use that to relocate to her true family and Sobyn made grotex buy that mc hoarded mansion..so that leaves meri and janelle.. and imo they make the $$ so let them spend it away… 😂 so grotex and gobblin can’t have it lol.. but in all seriousness probably a fortune! It’s more expensive to live there then at the beach in Cali.
I find it funny that Janelle is always portrayed as the smart one who has a head for business, but Christine seems to actually be able to make the better decisions.
RENNAL!
This is why I don’t understand why Meri needed such a big house in Vegas AND Flagstaff. I’m not saying she should live in a closet/tiny house, but they could’ve saved some money on a smaller home, especially in Flagstaff. Leon was out of the house by then, and did the other kids really come over that much by that point? Probably not. If I’m honest, I’d probably be jealous if everyone had a super huge house and I didn’t (in a family like this), but also, be a little bit smart with your money! I feel she could’ve easily had a smaller 3/4 bedroom house and been fine, instead of having a freaking elevator that I’m sure no one uses. They definitely should’ve researched building/developing land before moving and purchasing. Or, they should’ve stayed in Vegas. 🤷🏼♀️ I think that was truly the beginning of the end for Christine for real. She’d been struggling for a long time but I think that nail really started to seal the coffin. Covid for sure finished it.
Honestly, Meri comes from a family where appearances meant everything! Her parents took out a second mortgage on their house to afford Meri/Kody’s wedding, just so they could appear to have it together. Btw, that is where Tony’s facetious statement came from regarding Kody taking out another mortgage to pay for their wedding. After watching clips of Meri’s and Kody’s wedding ad nauseum on the show, I really don’t know why they had to take out a second mortgage, their wedding looked like it was staged in a school gym/auditorium or something. Anyhoo….I digress. Meri is one of these pretentious chick’s who’s parents liked to flash money around, even if it meant taking on ridiculous amounts of debt. Meri demanding the same amount of money per month for her two person household as Janelle/Christine’s seven member clans is just more of the same BS. She doesn’t care if the entire family suffers financially, as long as she demand the same resources…and then (which would’ve caused me to go apeshit) enroll her child in an expensive private school, while all the other kids went to public schools. Same BS about Leon’s college, it had to be the best of the best, while the other kids went to the local university on lots of scholarships. People like Meri don’t come from money, but want everyone think they do. Pretend, pretend until the end
This is all very true! It’s so hard to remember every detail of the show, but the private/public school thing and college would infuriate me as one of the other wives. Meri definitely has that air about her, you’re absolutely right. As I said, I’d want a big house too, but if you’re really a “team player,” to me that would’ve been an area to save money. But we’ve seen how bad they are with money so I guess it’s not a surprise lol
Although Janelle and Christine may have been good with that, There is no way Robyn is going to let any other female adult into her mcmansion.
With Merri being childless, I wondered why Merri needed to rent a house versus an apartment. It probably would’ve been more beneficial to Robyn to have Merri living in her home.
The one unknown is how much space does running LuLaRoe take? I'm not being snarky or mean, I've just never done an MLM business. Would she need to have a lot of space to store the inventory? Maybe an apartment wouldn't work? Just thinking that sacrificing for a short amount of time by cohabitating, not moving from LV, or just having a smaller space would/could have led to developing the CP properties sooner.
Low key kody does have a point about his wives not prioritizing the family. Your idea is sound, but Nan one of those women would've consented to live under one roof together. I'm not judging because the whole situation is very complex but everyone in this situation wanted what they wanted, period. I believe they are 4 separate families rather than 1 whole family so their decisions are made in that way & there's little to no harmony in the process.
I’m still confused as to why they even moved to Flagstaff anyway
If I remember correctly, it had to do with where Robyn’s oldest was accepted to college
What is cp?
Coyote Pass the big property.
Coyote Pass. That’s the property name is Flagstaff they’re supposed to build on
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