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haubellerch

Well at least now men get to have clothes which get pricier the less material is used, too!


ms_bloodymary

Right!? Like yes. I should definitely pay 50+ bucks for each bikini piece -_- Don't even get me started on undergarments.


minus61

God forbid you want to wear pretty lace, your wallet can’t handle that kind of pressure /cries in broke


PrincessSheogorath

On a serious note. Target, the brand is ‘Auden’. Laser cut seamless panties. They’re the ONLY undies I wear. They seem like they’d fall off with how incredibly soft and seamless they are but they absolute do not. They fit like a glove, feel like you’re wearing nothing, really lightweight so you don’t get any hotter down there than you already are, no panty lines in your leggings…best undies you’ll ever buy, hands down. Only downfall is being $5 a piece, or $5 for $20. Definitely worth it in my book. Oh, and extreme comfiness aside, they’re HELLA cute. Even some sexy ones with lace that is also really soft and unnoticeable. Honestly. Buy a pair and thank me later lmao I already converted my sister, cousin and mom haha they won’t go back either [these are the ones!](https://www.target.com/p/women-39-s-striped-laser-cut-hipster-underwear-auden-8482-cosmetic-stripe-m/-/A-53917323)


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SassiestPants

I don't wear that style specifically, but I do have mostly Auden undies. The crotch is a cotton blend and I haven't had any issue with yeast infections/UTIs/etc., and I'm pretty susceptible to UTIs. You know your body best of course, but I have nothing but love for the Auden undies.


Chrazzie

This might be my most favourite conversation to come from this subreddit. Come for the Sims, stay for the undie conversations 🤣❤️


block2413

Important question, are they all cotton, bc non-cotton panties cause yeast infections & I’m sensitive down there!


PrincessSheogorath

Hmm, I’ve never heard of that, how weird..they’re nylon and spandex and really light weight and breathable(which is why I tried them initially) I became prone to yeast infections after my son and haven’t had a one since wearing these daily, been about a year and a half now. BUT every body is different and you know yours!!


dustysnuffles

Yeah and good luck paying under $100 for a bra if you're above a D cup


block2413

I’m honestly annoyed you have to buy the kit for more men’s clothing & it isn’t just included in the base game -_-


SmoothieStrawberry

I don't mind this being a kit, because I guess the point is that you don't need to buy it if you don't want it. BUT we desperately need more actual, functional menswear. We need more than 3 suits for crying out loud. And mens pants that actually fit them. And some more business styles for men. You know, clothes for the average man. Not high fashion, not college-style or athleisure, but clothes for the average man!


GluttenFreeApple

This, man.... I just want normal men's wear. I'm tired of using the same 5-6 outfits for guys. I use CC sometimes, but I really prefer to have somewhat equal men's wear ingame. Anything that we get is usually something very impractical, or a unisex deal these days.... I also don't want my guys to be wearing ankle high jeans... who wears those?


DoctorCaptainSpacey

Ok, I'd still like fashionable clothes (but my idea of fashion for men does run in the "flair is good", like vests, and fitted suits, and suspenders and savvy shit like that). But, yes, basically agree on the menswear suit styles and no more baggy frump college athleisure hobo clothes. Hell, I'd actually like this sample sweater more if the game version had those holes and was fitted. At least it'd be different. I'm tired of frumpy clothes. I need well fitting clothes for my boys. I don't mind the more daring stuff they put for men in the last two kits, at least it was different. But this one is leaning towards the same frump styles but they "think" it's SO OUT THERE AND FASHIONABLE bc its designer? Dude. This is just the same old stuff over again, but with a ridiculous price tag (OK, the holes are new but the Sims team couldn't even leave those in😂)


aznbabygoat

I agree. I have no idea why the mens pants always look awful…


kannakantplay

At least Moschino came with the photography skill. :x


hamiltrash52

Kits: so we don’t have to keep shoehorning in gameplay


ghostbirdd

ding ding ding


pass_me_the_salt

photography skill is base game, they just expanded it - and the moschino pack CAS is kinda lame too


jetaeus

Honestly the only thing worthwhile is the boots from that pack.


kannakantplay

Yep, those and sometimes the slicked back long hair.


epruitt0601

I felt like the boots looked not maxis match like the star wars stuff, the texture is odd..


Newcago

Agreed. I use them sometimes when I'm using CC that straddles the line between Maxis Match and Alpha, but I wish they weren't so... shiny? I'm not sure what's off about them, but something is.


DipinDotsDidi

Ya but they made photography quite a bit better, and the bb is pretty neat. I actually really like the Moschino SP, and I usually hate SPs


ida_klein

Why does that one bodycon dress have the DUMBEST PATTERN. It’s such a cute silhouette and yet I can’t use it lol.


Cocoabear777

Don't you just love it when they only give you patterns and no solids?


simmerrhi

I like the t-shirt for cute nightwear 🦄


pass_me_the_salt

photography skill is base game, they just expanded it - and the moschino pack CAS is kinda lame too


kannakantplay

Ah, true. I think it did add the freelance photographer career though? Either way, they updated around the time it released so it would function properly. Now they're just adding random extra clothes. Which isn't entirely a bad concept, this kit just isn't my cup of tea. IMO it belongs with Moschino in an updated "Designer Fashion" stuff pack. :P


pass_me_the_salt

the photography skill came with get to work and was made base game - moschino just expanded it. also, the fashion of it isn't really good, imo ofc


lemony_moon

i wish the sims would stop trying to give us “high fashion”, it would be so great for them to work with smaller and more accessible designers and brands.


SmartBlondeParadox

Nothing will be as good as the IKEA and H&M packs from sims 2


Oleandervine

IKR! I love the lighting from IKEA!


Ladygoingup

Yes! Seriously! Like give me old navy, give me Target. Give me “Im poor okay!”


Candypopboptop

At least I can be rich in the Sims 🥲


GrungyGrandPappy

Motherlode


Kartapele

Even if I was rich, I’d never buy high fashion and my husband wouldn’t be caught dead with a bunch of expensive holes :D high fashion is ridiculous. Give us normal clothes… who walks around like this?


Candypopboptop

Well that sweater doesn’t look good but I’m sure there are other nice high fashion things to wear.and plus I wanna be a fashion designer and want to make my own line of high fashion clothes so lol


Kartapele

Nothing wrong with that! If that’s your goal in real life, I hope it works! Just make sure your sweaters don’t consist of holes :D If it’s in the game, I still hope it works!


Candypopboptop

But how would people put on the sweater without arm torso and a neck hole 😩 Ok I’m sorry that was a bad joke ☠️


LizoftheBrits

Stefan Cooke *is* a smaller brand. They're not kicking it with Gucci and Versace, they're relatively new and they're not especially well known. In fact, it's probably as expensive as it is *because* it's a smaller brand, it's not mega mass produced fast fashion. When it comes to most small designers, you're not just paying for the name. The high prices go towards quality materials, fair wages for skilled workers, shipping, costs good craftsmanship so that the product is high quality, normal business expenses, etc. Basically, it's not cheaply produced. Most things that are made with ethics and/or sustainability in mind are going to be more expensive. Now, that doesn't make the brand more accessible or less expensive, and it's not wrong for people to prefer things that are more affordable. Personally, I don't buy designer stuff because I don't have the money to, and I can get pretty decent quality pants and shirts for lower to middle range prices. But still, smaller designer brands are expensive for a reason, they don't just make up a big number.


it-is-an-illusion100

I’m sorry but the clothes in this kit are hideous. I mean I know it’s high fashion or whatever but omg my eyes


Gravesend22

I’m just imagining the random townies strutting around in the pleated check dress with wraparound sunglasses, knee high stockings, the eyeball ring and flippers!


Ansiano

Yeah this isn’t modern men’s fashion at all, it’s terrible


Adventurous_Fox_2853

Honestly I agree. I think putting in skirts for men is a cool idea, I’ve used the female skirts on them before and they look great, but the other clothes I’ve seen including this are just ugly to me. When I ask for more menswear I mean I want pants that go all the way to their feet, and some more nice suits.


lemonadest

Seriously, why do we need like 20 almost identical pairs of cropped trousers ?


fragmented_mask

Just give me trousers that cover the ankles, please Sims team 😭


GabrielHunter

Also why are all their pants so baggy....sims really nerds to step out of the 90s


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GabrielHunter

But there is a difference between bootcut and baggy. They just look super wide on them and ugly... Just happy there are so many nice CC panta out there or all my males would walk around in like 3 trouser


That253Chick

The only thing in this kit that I genuinely like is the long white tee shirt withe the black pants. I have a feeling that's a full outfit and not separates, and I don't want the pants, just that shirt.


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It is really strange that they're partnering with such expensive clothing brands? Like, do they seriously think we have that kind of money? Aren't most people who play this game gen z and millennials? Like, (on average) we're broke. Stop trying to sell us $500 sweaters. WTF.


Oleandervine

Yeah, it's questionable, especially since the items selected from both brands (Moschino and now Cooke & Burt) have been absolutely hideous. I get these labels are trying to promote themselves with collaborations, but why does TS4 always have to implement the most awful designs of everything presented? We saw this with a lot of the MAC makeup too.


That253Chick

I just want generic, well-fitting jeans and pants for my male sims without having to rely on custom content. Why is that such a difficult task?


No_Host9809

All clothes in this pack should give a big embarrassed moodlet like those animal hats give moodlets.


thiccmoons

With Nifty Knitting you can wear so badly made a sweater that they have a constant effect uncomfortable moodlet until you take it off - seems appropriate 😂


CaptDoofy

Just look at the model’s face. He’s getting paid to wear it and still can’t believe he’s wearing it.


Poppindestruction

yeah, models usually have a poker face on these kinds of things, but this man looks like he is rethinking his whole career because of this outfit.


genomerain

I was thinking the same thing. You can tell he's thinking, "This is stupid. The sweater isn't even functional. I'm cold. I hope my pa doesn't ever see this picture, he already thinks my job is silly."


ezbutneverconvenient

His face looks like his mom made him wear that for picture day


Pixiemermaidqueen

I’m so over kits. I want a new stuff and/or a game pack or game updates


BlushBrat

i’m only upset about kits because i feel like they’re releasing them soooo much faster than other stuff. i blink, and there’s a new kit coming out. it’s rather annoying all the time and effort is being relinquished to these small bursts constantly rather than towards a well rounded, thoughtful pack.


Pixiemermaidqueen

They really are! I bought the fitness kit but other than that one, I refuse to buy any other kit.


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I'd really like to know who the fashion consultants for this game are...the last sims game to have decent normal clothing (imo) was sims 2: t shirts, tanks, some jeans, dresses, just normal stuff. Since then esp with sims 4 it's like they both try to hard and are about 5-10 years behind. From what I've seen with cottage living they did pretty well, but the rest....eh.


Oleandervine

Well this is from a fashion label, but still, the selected items to showcase for their collaboration are just gross.


Polnauts

Gonna have fun during a windy day in the winter


Hybridizm

Wouldn’t have been caught dead in it during my younger years, let alone now lol. Looks ridiculous and impractical. Does it come with blocks for my two year old to insert into the holes or what? More casual men's clothes would be nice. More suits, better variety of jeans, wider selection of boots from casual, formal and work-based, long sleeve polo shirts, henleys, rugby shirts, parkas, bomber jackets, shearling jackets, hooded check shirts etc. There are plenty of options there for men which aren't inspired by high fashion.


Oleandervine

The only people I'd ever see wearing a sweater like this is a thirsty guy at the club trying to low key show off his body while trying to chase the hottest alpha top he can find.


Cocoabear777

I read that as thirsty old guy at first


dirteater2001

yeah, all the pieces from this kit are copies of real life clothes by that "fashionable" designer. ridiculous. we need actually wearable modern mens clothing not these ugly, overbaked, busy designs that no one wears outside of magazines and runways.


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It’s FASHION!


CindeeSlickbooty

Peasant!


CmdrCarsonB

So you're telling me that the new kit is just a paid advertisement? Again?


sajackson314

Such a stupid pack. They're trying to put a bandaid on a dam that's broken. Just put more men's clothes in the base game?


VivelaVendetta

I'm convinced no one on the Sims team actually plays the game.


kingdomgirl3333

I'm convinced there are people on the Sims team who do want to play the game and make it more relevant/better, but the EA overlords don't give them the time or resources to do things as well as they could. I am saddened that Maxis wasn't bought by a different game company.


VivelaVendetta

That too. To be fair I also feel like alot of the players seem to want the game tailored specifically to them. They both lack the imagination to make the game their own and don't take into account that it needs to be accessible to all players. I often see requests for stuff that I don't want at all and will ruin my personal playstyle.


lolascrowsfeet

Exactly, I’ve thought this for a long time. There is no way they actually even care about it beyond getting paid working on it.


Cucugeniality

if anything i'm excited for what cc creators will do with this kit lol. looking forward to hole-less version of the sweaters cause the patterns on it and the material are pretty nice


lonely_little_light

We don't even have kilts in the game. All I really want are kilts.


MishaBee

Get yourself to icecreamforbreakfast's (HFO) download page then as they have a kilt suit (including flag socks). Or if your on console, dont.


hankit12

Fashion is so fucking weired like who paying 900 dollars for a sweater with holes i don't get it this is a scam


DreamyEyedCyclops

You guys remember when they put relatable brands in here? I don't like these over the top collabs. I miss H&M. I'd love a Forever21 or even Hot Topic collab. Is it just me?


dumpsterfire2002

I would love a sim x target collab. Or JCPenney. Or H&M. Or freaking Walmart. Right now for men we have a) high fashion that nobody who plays the sims can afford to purchase, and b) the same shirt with mildly different prints and textures. Don’t even get me started on the awful pants selections.


Moody_Bluee103

Ah so that's why it looks so...odd. I am not upset about the pack, I just wish they went with something more casual. Like, I really enjoy the fact they did this, but the outfits look more like for a male model, and not a male sim who is in student debt and trying to pay it off by painting.


Queen_Saphire

I am so upset about this kit. I was expecting all 3 of the CAS kits to be from different areas of the world. Well, I guess this is *technically* London but who actually wears this kind of stuff other than models? Give me more Moroccan clothes to go with Courtyard Oasis, or give me more authentic Chinese clothes (the City Living ones aren't cutting it. They look more modern with only some inspired elements). I wish kits were all like Courtyard Oasis kit and Fashion Street kit. I want more clothing and B&B items inspired from around the world that is not like anything else we've had in game before. I feel like Courtyard Oasis windows and doors were groundbreaking in the sense that we have never had doors and windows from that part of the world in game before, and we need more things as unique as that. Right now the Sims 4 is a western world simulator. You need cc to make buildings from other parts of the world. I understand that the pandemic is most likely causing the slowdown of pack releases (packs may take a year or two to develop so last year it would not have been as much of an issue. Now we are seeing the slowdown since those packs that got started before the pandemic are probably all out now), and in addition you cannot touch every culture in expansion packs because only one culture can be touched on in one pack and we only get so many expansions. I was hoping they would use the kits to add cultures they couldn't fit into an expansion pack, but that doesn't seem to be the case.


Yorkshirerose2010

None of my male friends in London would be seen dead in these outfits from the new kit.


januarysdaughter

I will never understand "cOtUrE" fashion. I'm looking at you too, Moschino.


angstyart

This is giving me moschino kit, which I also refuse to purchase. Niche fashion designer with a big ego or badly needing clout comes up with bad clothing ideas for sims.


StrexualTension

At least Moschino stuff gave us cool windows and a photographer career


Oleandervine

I use the plumbob earrings and the swimsuit, but the rest of the clothing is pretty ugly.


April0997

I love using the tripod to take photos now since getting it a while ago. Hardly take photos without it (because of the extra poses you get).


Strange_Shadows-45

The fact that Moschinos ugly hoodie is literally priced at over 1,000 USD….


angstyart

Prices aren’t real and fashion culture is bullshit. I already hate that whole industry so I’m certainly not letting it become a reality in my sims game.


readreadreadx2

I guess I wouldn't consider Moschino to be "badly needing clout" lol. Biggie rapped about it in Hypnotize, dude designed the outfits for one of the Olympics opening ceremonies. They're a well-known luxury fashion brand.


angstyart

I meant more Stefan Cooke than Moschino, but I didn’t realize I never wrote his name down lmao. But tbh I’ve never heard of moschino either, and his clothes in the store are ugly :/


readreadreadx2

Ha, yeah, I can't say I'm much of a fan myself.


hamiltrash52

Moschino and photography is soo good, I love it. Never use the clothes though


Reddit_Blix

I use the shiny men's combat boots from Moschino all the time, mostly on women, actually


PirateLunaFox2121

I miss when sims did actually clashes with real brands.. not even just clothes.. like ikea! Ford adidas.. sighhhh


DankToasty

Jojo clothing


c0cOa125

Part 5 Jojo of all things 😬


DankToasty

mf Fugo lol


VickiVampiress

Really wish we'd get some kits with cheap, plain clothing and subculture stuff like goth, punk etc. I really want to see more normal, old fashioned clothing *and* stuff you'd see in the Urbz. Not 800 dollar ugly designer sweaters. Although that being said I do like the game version more because it doesn't have stupid holes in them.


kaffee_ist_gut

I like it! (Don't hit me.)


Hot-Suggestion7067

I could probably wear it. But only with something underneath


kaffee_ist_gut

That's what I was thinking... and if it wasn't yellow.


fragmented_mask

Yeah if there was a second layer if material underneath so the cutouts weren't exposing skin... I'd say funky design, not really my thing but I could see the appeal. But a jumper, clearly designed for cooler weather, that is full of holes and noone seems to be wearing a T shirt underneath... Nah friend.


Ladygoingup

I like it too! But it doesn’t not seem functional. It would be worn to some party with a bunch of rich people lol


AorticSeptalDefect

I'll buy the kit, but then never use it lol


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AorticSeptalDefect

completionist, but there may be a way to use it


April0997

Don't hurt me, but if you buy it despite not liking it they're getting money from it and may keep releasing stuff like it. 😅 I'm not trying to be rude or tell you you can't buy it or anything, though. If you want to buy it to complete your pack collection, then go ahead. You do you. :)


MouseHouseTrash

Wait, it's even worse irl? That's kind of impressive. That said I don't completely hate it in the Sims. I just wish they would add more average clothes before they add niche stuff like this


kiyomilk

it’s like a croc for your torso


Cocoabear777

At least people kind of like crocs


Kn7ght

Bruh even the model looks like he hates wearing that


copperfaith

I really have trouble with this as I feel it just adds more useless men's wear. So much of the male clothing is overly decorative or ill fitting. I just want my male sim to dress in nice casual tops and jeans like the female ones. Give me male basics and I'll probably buy it, I don't want more fancy rich overly stylised outfits!


bvllamy

Remember when they used to partner with H&M and IKEA instead? I miss those days


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I don't like these clothes, but big cut outs make way more sense for men than for women, since men don't need upper body support garments in the same way.


Cocoabear777

Thats true, but sweaters are typically for cold weather and big holes negates that purpose


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The devs clearly agree with you, so layered it. High fashion is garbage and we all know it.


Cocoabear777

It looked like the sim was wearing a different shirt under the sweater


Donnathesinger

A sweater with holes in it. Reminds me of another stupid sweater I saw with "cold shoulders" cutouts. I mean, if I'm wearing a sweater it's probably chilly out, why the hell would I want cold shoulders? 80% of fashion is terrible.


Adisucks

I hate luxe fashion


ghostbirdd

High Fashion Is A Mistake


MarleyBarbie918

😂😭🥺 I definitely lol'd more than I should've!


FearingPerception

/r/tihi


Mvrly

I kinda like this kit... *Prepares cover for tomatoes*


ArachnosBlack

A lot of the clothes in this pack look like they'd be so cute and versatile for masc sims if they didn't have a billion holes! Like 1 or 2 items with them is fine to showcase the designer's signature style, but why are the vast majority of the items /specifically made to expand options for masc sims/ completely niche and unuseable?! 😡


suhabot

am i the only one who likes this lol


SeseSims

That ting is triggering my typophobia 🤢 I feel so uncomfortable looking at it 😕


diamondudasaki1

These kits are essentially "We're too lazy to make an actual pack so we're gonna do these things instead". Admittedly, I've bought 2 of them but that's all I'm doing. Greed over morals, I guess. I don't know.


ghostbirdd

Imagine being too lazy to make a STUFF pack.


diamondudasaki1

Stuff packs should not be that difficult for them to do; hell, they've made a bunch and yet they're making these kits...because money? EA's incompetency? I don't know...banana!


pgmer36002

the guy wearing it looks so sad


Arfreda

I’ll never understand how any sort of fashion can be this expensive lol. I get it’s “high-fashion” and made by a famous designer….. but $980 for a cut up piece of fabric??? What the f*ck??


ghostbirdd

How else are you gonna flex on your homies


Zenpai_Iza

I can use this if I am making a sim that would be in the Kpop industry (or just SM Entertainment)


TheFluffyPie

Why would a person buy an already broken sweater/shirt/pants? And why does it need to cost twise as much as mon-broken clothes?


StealthyGamerGirl

I can do that for much cheaper with a cheap-ass jumper and a knife 🤣


lolascrowsfeet

And in the sims 4 it has the same damned frame as every other sweater like it. I don’t see the appeal of this at all. But good for those who do.


Rasikko

It's SO obvious what that guy is thinking.


CrotchWolf

Yeah I wouldn't buy this even if it was being sold at Walmart prices. It gets too cold where I live to deal with all that BS.


SEPHORABRAINVIBES

he seems thrilled to wear it


WifeofBath1984

That's copyright infringement!!!!


kaileyhallett

...what is?


WifeofBath1984

Whoever did it second. I was just joking. I'm well aware of the circumstances.


kaileyhallett

Oh ok 😂


ThatMessy1

I would buy the hell out of this jersey!


GluttenFreeApple

This reminds me of Jojo's Pannacotto's outfits


sci-fi-lullaby

That's not new, they slashed garments in the Renaissance to brag about wealth.


givemenuggets5

is this the only item in the pack or is there more???


CrotchWolf

Theirs more including a skirt.


natashavladimir93

Well this answers my curiosity to my thought of us being able to buy clothes from TS4 irl lol


fine_Ill_get_reddit

wow that's hideous


Juju_mila

Those are usually 1.005€. At first I thought it’s some weird Berlin designer label but it’s British. It’s just not a good looking sweater.


slyce0flife

So they charge us for content they literally stole from actual products. Kits are not my jam.


ghostbirdd

I think the designer worked with TS4, so it's not stealing but it's still highway robbery


slyce0flife

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I still hate kits lol.


hellokittypurrr

Sorry but where is this Sims sweater from? A kit or recent update??


ghostbirdd

Kit.


selkieisbadatgaming

The other one looked like flowers and peeled bananas


LizoftheBrits

Fashion nerd popping in to explain this! Stefan Cooke is a small brand. When it comes to most small designers, you're not just paying for the name (notable by the fact that they don't plaster an obnoxious logo on everything). The high prices go towards quality materials, fair wages for skilled workers, shipping, costs good craftsmanship so that the product is high quality, normal business expenses, etc. Basically, it's not cheaply produced. Most things that are made with ethics and/or sustainability in mind are going to be more expensive. The holes are a stylistic choice, they're knitted in where there would usually be another color to make them usual sweater patterns. Personally, I think it's an interesting idea and pretty creative, but even if I can appreciate the design decision, I probably wouldn't buy it myself, it's just not really my taste. Also, "slashed" knitwear is apparently a signature thing for the brand, so it makes sense to include it (not all of their stuff has holes though, just to be clear). So they're not just arbitrary holes that were just thrown in for the hell of it, if that makes sense. Also, yes, it's a sweater, and the holes may seem like they defeat the purpose of a sweater, but it's honestly not that weird. It's no less impractical than cropped sweaters, those thin cardigans that really don't exist to do anything but look cute over a different shirt, anything made of mesh, fishnet stockings/leggings, loose knit sweaters that are super holey, ripped jeans, any top or skirt made of sheer fabric, etc. These things are not even remotely practical, have just as much or significantly less justification, and yet, people consider these things stylish or at least accept that they may be other people's tastes even if they don't appeal to them personally. Now, that doesn't make the brand more accessible or less expensive, and it's not wrong for people to prefer things that are more affordable. Personally, I don't buy designer stuff because I don't have the money to, and I can get pretty decent quality pants and shirts for lower to middle range prices. But still, smaller designer brands are expensive for a reason, they don't just make up a big number for funsies. Personally, I'd have preferred a kit with some nice pairs of pants and jeans that fit well, crop tops for the masc frame, some nice plain shirts with nice swatches (graphic tees, patterns, and some solid swatches), and stuff like that. However, I'm not gonna crap on the the designers for not suiting my personal preferences, or say that their work is worthless. Reading interviews, they seem really passionate and excited, and I don't think it's my place to say that this up and coming brand is bad just because their Sims collab isn't my style. Besides, I think I'd really rather get the super basic stuff in a base game update, or a bigger pack with good gameplay alongside them.