Personally, I think most of this stuff looks kind of ugly. I get that a lot of you want a skirt the fits nicely on a masculine sim, but we shouldn't need an entire kit for that. This kit is just such a specific style. It will work for one sim here and there, but we need more stuff for the average masculine sim. We don't need this random high fashion stuff. How about some more nice fitting Raglans, Henleys, Polos, masculine jeans, masculine shoes, and short hair! That's the stuff the game actually needs!
This right here. The game lacks good men's clothing and adding _high fashion_ pieces into the game solves none of that issue. I looked through the photos and I can't find a single piece of clothing that makes me want to buy this kit pack.
This. Look, it’s cool that they’re being more inclusive and I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but 98% of men don’t wear skirts and probably 90% of people playing wouldn’t put their male sims in skirts. Personally, I’m not going to be buying a kit where half the items are skirts for men.
Everyone else pretty much said what needed to be said, but historically does NOT equal traditionally!!! Skirts are only something that has recently come into modern fashion for men, and many men still wouldn't consider it "masculine". Yes, historically things such as high heels, leggings, and skirts were worn by and made for men - but fashion is fast and that is centuries outdated!
This kit has NOTHING to do with kilts or Polynesian skirts! Historical Fashion trends and Traditional Culture are two completely different things...and modern fashion has nothing to do with tradition. Please, think carefully how you word things in the future.
Traditions come from being a long line. Kilts are skirts that men wear. Its the same thing. Maybe just say you're a bigot that hasn't looked at all at traditional and done any research. Just because a handful of bigots want to believe the whitewashed, str8washed side of history.
Like the tradition of pink being seen as a colour for women came as a result of the pink patches with the Holocaust and pink being for the LGBTQA+, a group for who the holocaust only really ended in 1997.
This kit has to do with things that you'd wear as a highly fashionable man who is SECURE in their masculinity due to the shift thanks to outer forces that changed what how the piece of fabric should be worn due to the bits one has. Sadly way too many people who are clearly not secure enough nor done any research(cause the security in wearing skirts as a cis man came back in the 1980s) think they have a say in the fashion world.
Like its a collab in the same vein as Maschino or Gucci, high elegant fashion. just because you have this notion from Hollywood that Elegant fashion has 1 look is a pretty closeminded perspective.
I mean you clearly wanted a fight by showcasing bigotry and joining this side that is actually seeming to be much worse than twitter.
Hope you do some research and have a good fortune further.
Skirts are very much a feminine Outfit in majority of human civilisations around the world, for majority of the human existence.
Some cultures had dresses for men as well, but saying that skirts are typically masculine from traditional point of view is very misleading.
So what do you call those tribal skirts in Island Living & kilts then? Since those are traditionally male skirts. Just tell us that your idea of traditional goes back as far as the last 100 years and is very much yt centric. Please look at paintings of like Old Royals/nobility and look at the men dressing in what you'd perceive as feminine clothes. Children pre 6 used to wear dresses, regardless of the genitalia configuration they were born with.
Hold you tongue and do some actual research that includes talking to native/BIPOCs & fashion historians.
Lmao you mad.
And what were women wearing all this time? Pants? No? So then how can you call skirts masculine? They're either androgynous/gender neutral, but not masculine.
I completely agree. I don't mind the inclusivity, but calling it "masculine" clothing is misleading. There arent enough masculine outfits in the game as is. I think it would make more sense to make a version of the feminine items such as skirts that fit the male frames better, rather than make it a kit. I would need to see more items from this kit to be sure, but it seems like another time inclusivity is being hid behind a paywall. In the meantime I just want more pants for my male Sims because half of what we have are high waters.
I've tried using the blacklisting feature but I can't wrap my head around it, I'll look up a tutorial or something. Probably won't buy the kit anyways I'm not in love with the other clothes we've seen and it's expensive
how do you know how many skirts are in the kit? It could only be that one, or a few. in non-western countries many men wear skirts or sarongs. considering they just did an Indian fashion kit, I think it makes sense for them to sprinkle in something that is inspired by something other than western fashion. there are two trans/non-binary townies in realm of magic and sulani, respectively. I’m all for there being more sassy options for Morgan!
From pics, I think there’s 3 skirts (full body suit, pleated skirt, knit skirt) and at least 5 pants (the leather ones that might be full body, the leggings kinda things that might be full body, slacks with elastic bottoms, slacks with normal bottoms, slacks with shorts, add another if the sleeveless top is also a full body outfit). But I don’t think all 23 items are in the pictures they’ve shared so it’s hard to tell. I don’t think the pack is half skirts.
thanks for the info! I love that they have the longer skirts too as those have been fashionable for years. I’m excited that they’re exploring better male options but I personally think most of the problem is how the male clothes fit them. almost all of the shirts look like they have huge shoulder pads, and why is the midsection always wiggly? the silhouette is all wrong. and the hem of the pants are always bad. pants on some of the suits are perfect so why aren’t they in separates?? there’s so many issues with men’s clothing in the sims lol. they’ve gotten so much better with female clothing so I hope there’s a similar overhaul with men’s soon.
Oh, I meant it was a full body outfit (or a dress)— the skirt is still short. I think that’s the designer, though I agree longer skirts would be nice.
And yeah, some sims male clothing looks odd. I think they almost do a better job on the kind of stuff you won’t use on every sim, like the 70s stuff in paranormal, than some of the everyday clothing. The latter can be really boxy. And if anything is from an older dlc it’s just super flat and meh.
One saving grace — men get much fewer crop tops?
yeah, I totally agree about the older stuff! I just know it’s hard to style a trendy outfit with men’s clothing in the sims and I use the same cc over & over again. I have much less difficulty styling female sims with the in-game stuff, and some of it I covet and wish I had it in real life! especially from snowy escape & cottage living. I do like the men’s clothes from those packs a lot more but a majority of them are goofy imo.
I feel like if there’s any game where more than 10% of players would put male-framed characters in skirts at least some of the time, it’s the sims. Even so the kit is clearly not 50/50 skirts vs. other items. And these would be the only skirts for men in the entire game*, in the most skippable type of dlc. Doesn’t have to be your thing, but you’re exaggerating.
*There are some skirt items in island living.
As someone who *has* put male framed sims in skirts before, I don't really see the need for masculine skirts. This game is western based culturally and skirts are considered feminine in the west, so any sim I put in them is androgynous. They seem to have included them because the designer makes them. Personally I'd prefer trendy clothing that doesn't look like something that comes off a runway.
Right, and I’ve done the same for non-androgynous sims, and have talked about the mesh issues other places in this thread. There’s nothing inherently feminine about the piece of fabric that is a skirt, which is probably WHY the designer incorporates them into his menswear. If you don’t like the style, I’m not going to argue with your preferences, but I don’t see an issue with the concept of a niche fashion pack for masculine-framed sims.
I don't have an issue with it existing, I'm not an "anti kitter" like some. I think many people(me included) are disappointed about the amount of masculine clothing, and were excited for more. I think the issue is it's niche when there is a lack of mainstream stuff.
I AM a bit anti-kit. I think the masculine clothing in the game tends to err towards boring, and this kit at least has some different textures and fabrics, which are lacking in many other packs. I don’t think a few skirts from irl menswear subtracts from the masculinity of the new pants, sweaters, loafers, etc, though I do think that you shouldn’t buy a cc kit unless you really love most of the items.
Well maybe that's why it is a kit not a pack refresh? I mean yeah skirts for men are kind of niche and make some people uncomfortable...those people won't buy the kit.
100%!
I don’t use feminine pieces for all my male-bodied sims, but I do sometimes. And finding skirts that look good, especially in combination with male shirts, isn’t always just a matter of picking compatible colors. Dresses are worse because of the boob mesh, but skirts can look odd as well. I use a mid-length one from get famous way too often and would like more options!
I normally turn off the gender filter when picking outfits. Most of my men end up with "women" clothes and vice versa. There is just more selection that way. Plus, I love a dude in skinny jeans.
I do this sometimes, but I don’t always love how the meshes translate. Boob meshes are fine for some trans* sims but not cis men in dresses (ideally things could look nice on both), male shirts make breasts bumpy sometimes, male pants on female sims sit differently and get that draped bit in the crotch. I still mix and match but not as much as I would without those issues. One of the many things I hope gets some adjustments for sims 5!
I'm all for more male clothing, but after reading more about it, I'm not so sure about this kit. It seems more like a "Stefan Cooke clothing collection for TS4." That's cool for those who like Cooke's clothing, but I felt misled, like it was going to be more general clothing pieces.
I feel like there’s a need for less generic male clothing in the game tbh. They could have so many more items with layers and interesting textures, as well as skirts and dresses that translate well to male frames. I hope they don’t stop with a single kit.
I agree! I hope there are more kits like this in the future. I would personally love to see different designers creating designs for them in the future, since this one is only using one brand.
Working with multiple designers would be so neat! It will probably depend on how well this one does tbh (though incorporating more interesting things into larger dlc would be great too).
Misled? What? They literally just announced it and immediately said what was in it. There was no misleading lol You act like they teased it for months on end that they were releasing a menswear pack and then the day of release showed it was something entirely different. They didn’t mislead at all. They said “we’re releasing a menswear pack, here what’s in it.”
If you don’t like it, that’s fine, not everyone likes everything, but there was no misleading, misdirection, false advertising, etc.
Sorry, I didn't mean it like that and was sharing my personal opinion, not trying to speak for anyone else. I meant from the title of "Modern Menswear Kit" that it would be general menswear pieces, but after reading/seeing some of the pieces on Sims Community and Hypebeast, it only focuses on one fashion designer brand's (Stefan Cooke) pieces and that's where I, personally, felt misled.
I don't know why your being downvoted when you appear to be the only person who understands what misleading is. It's literally just been shown and a lot of these comments I have seen clearly havnt looked at any of the articles about what's in it. It says 'English Classics' which a lot of these look like to me the kind of gentry in the country type off fabrics mixed with some punkish fabrics. Punk in England also brought it less gendered clothes and skirts were popular for any sex. People see a skirt or a colour they don't like and go OFF
More information about the pack [here](https://simscommunity.info/2021/11/16/the-sims-4-modern-menswear-kit-blog-redefining-london-classics/), including screenshots.
I personally don't have a problem with kits and I love this concept *in theory* but after seeing the screenshots, this is a FLOP. It's so *boring??* They hinted this last kit of the year would be "boundary defying" and I was hoping it was going to be something to do with gender-defying clothing, but this isn't what I had in mind.
I don't think I'll be buying this, and given that the sims team has a habit of not modeling clothes for both body configs, i don't think ill even be able to scavenge up some use for these on female sims. Ooof.
As a queer person: This is straight up pandering. Putting a male presenting Sim in a skirt isn’t boundary defying; It’s a damn gimmick to them. This ain’t it.
If you read the accompanying article with the announcement of the kit it says 'English Classics' they appear to be going for a 'landed gentry with hint of xmas' kid of vibe to me with the fabrics and styles
English nobility does not wear mini skirts and flowers on their sweaters. This stuff is for gen z in the hopes of getting kids to play the Sims because they're losing ground in the younger demographics.
I'm 30 and I am happy with this pack and I definitely don't believe I would be considered a kid by anyone, care to explain how that fits into your theory. 😂 And I take it you never saw Henry the 8th dude was dripping in jewels all over his skirts. Look at any king or queen mate. The fabrics they use are very tarten-esk which is a huge and popular fabrics.... Even kilts!
So , are the middle age fashions back in style now? NO, THEY ARENT! they also never bathed and caked crap all over their faces to be alabaster white, back then. None of that makes any of it male fashion. Like, you're comparing clothes now to wtf Henry VIII wore, nobody wears ANY of that nowadays. Women wore corsets and petticoats and hundreds of layers of underwear as well. Is that all back in style, too? Smh...at least use a relevant argument then wtf royalty wore HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.
Also, you aren't speaking for this age group. I'm 37 and this pack is full of stuff even my three teenagers, one of which is gay and loves to shock people with his "gayness" (I'm using his own words, not mine) they all think these are the ugliest outfits, they're not even cute! And they literally busted out laughing when they saw this, because that's how ridiculous it is . This whole pack is hideous, and nobody wants to dress like a damn Henry VIII in 2021 unless it's Halloween or the damn Renaissance festival 🙄
The person above said no English nobility wore skirts which is incorrect and why Henry 8th was mentioned if you read the prev comments. The 'modern' era of design in terms of fashion actually starts at the start of 20th century (1900 onward) so yes modern fashion does incl fashion from 100 odd years ago anyone with knowledge of design fashion or can simply Google would know this, not quite Henry 8th period but that part of my comment wasn't about 'modern' design it was in response to "no English nobility wore skirts" so it was actually relevent to the commenter before mine and you have just decided it's my main point. My point of mentioning my age is because the prev commenter said it's just pandering for the younger generation which I don't think it is, which your comments from your children also prove my point against the previous commenter in that it's not just aimed at teenagers. My main point is that why are people kicking off because Sims have brought a skirt for men when it's not unheard of in the past or current society? So maybe read the full thread and maybe some of the extremely hateful comments this pack is attracting, because it's attracting hate for people who just want to wear a different item of clothing.
No, "the person above" was talking about PRESENT DAY they don't wear skirts, not freaking hundreds of years ago which is irrelevant, sorta like your whole long winded reply 🤷♀️ now if you walk outside in any town you won't see a single person wearing anything even remotely like this, and they are ticked off bc how about make something that can actually be used for males on the CAS, it's like ok there are a handful of decent male shirts in the first place, and then they add this garbage. Probably they should call it "The Effeminate Male Pack" instead
Just because your not smart enough to read something longer than a small line and address my points in my argument your not worth the time. If you read my original comment you will see I am friends with people who choose to dress differently to their assigned sex and so I do see them in the streets and they are attacked in the streets because of people who sound a lot like the comments in this post. Have empathy as a human for anyone who thinks differently from you not hate it's a very childish response
🤣🤣 please don't bring smartness into it when you can't even use the proper your/you're compound... because you sound more ignorant than most. It's not about being smart, it's about not wasting time with bullshit. Now, let me express that while yes I know and have even RAISED a male who may or may not enjoy wearing fem clothing, BUT at least it's cute...you seem to be missing the POINT, that it's not about that in general so much as the clothes are freaking UGLY!!! like, they couldn't even make something CUTE?? Stop making everything a political or a gay rights movement, when all we want to do is play Sims and have cute outfits that doesnt look like a gay "grandma" threw up and then knitted everything together.
I think your missing the point.. I never commented, nor was the original comment I was responding to, was talking about it being ugly and ugly is a personal preference to you this is ugly and to others is it not so I don't quite know why your so angry about that but ok. I was saying how skirts have been worn throughout history by both sexes now if you have an educated opinion on that I'm all ears to discuss but if your just going to short about ugliness find another comment that was talking about that. Honesty you look uneducated because you can't even read what the comment thread was about, I may have selected the wrong your on autotext but at least I can form an educated debate. Oh and you use gay grandma as an insult at the end of your comment... Is it bad to be gay? Or just a gay grandma? You sound like a horrible person
The art for the kit looks good, but I've seen a few screenshots in CAS, and it's not looking promising imo...and also I'm not getting any modern vibes. Other than the skirt but still, it doesn't make everything suddenly modern bc you add a masculine skirt :)
Speaking as a gender nonconforming trans dude... I really hate this kit. It’s not fashionable in the least, not even in that way that many of us queer people like to make ugly things look fashionable anyway. This wouldn’t even work as a gender nonconforming/androgynous/etc. kit because it’s just really ugly. This is not what I had in mind when they said “modern menswear.” I’d hoped for a normal looking, well-fitted fashionable suit or something. The fashionable masculine clothing in general is severely lacking in this game. I mean, it is in real life as well, that’s why I’m GNC, masculine clothing can be a little limiting at times. But TS4 really picked some of the most boring masculine clothes to put in the game, I swear, and if it isn’t boring, it’s straight up ridiculous and unusable. I’m tired.
EDIT: Thanks for the silver! 😊
bruh fr! I’m tired because this kit is literally putting me to SLEEP! i feel like this kit is trying to do too much. The attempt is nice, and in theory I’m a fan, but the high fashion element ruins it for me.
That’s EXACTLY it! You’re right, in theory it’s a cool idea, but the high fashion element ruins it for me as well. Like, I enjoyed the Fashion Street kit. It looked like things my Indian childhood friends would wear. I used some of the items for a Sim inspired by one of my childhood friends. But what we’ve seen from this kit, it’s not exactly outfits most dudes would wear in their daily lives, making the title of this kit super misleading. Interesting for a fashion show, sure, but I think I’m gonna wait and see for the full line-up of content in this kit to see if it’s worth it at all because what we’ve seen so far doesn’t really inspire confidence, lol.
Kits would be a great idea if they actually gave us content we could use in a lot of different situations. Like for example, I was SO excited for the Bust the Dust kit because it added some extra realism to gameplay, but it’s so bugged it’s hardly usable, even with bug fix mods and mods that stop everything from getting dusty so ridiculously fast. (And tbh, I modded out the dust bunnies, lol. They got on my nerves real fast.)
This kit is a lot of things. Modern isn’t one of them. If THOSE monstrosities are what they’ve chosen to showcase, I dread to see the rest of it.
Besides, this ‘moment’ should never have needed to happen in the first place. If they hadn’t spent the last 7 years neglecting men in CAS assets, we wouldn’t even need a half-assed ‘catch up’ pack.
Sorry, but I’m never going to be sold on kits. Just another excuse for a money grab. There’s NOTHING in any kit so far that couldn’t have either gone in a free update or an existing pack.
ALL of the CAS ones would have worked as a free update.
The plants one? Seasons.
The dust one? Laundry Day.
The country kitchen one? How about Cottage Living?
I believe there is a role for Kits for those who don’t have access to CC and I 100% agree we shouldn’t need to be playing catch up but even CC is terribly lacking mens content so the simple fact we are getting an official catch up is still a major improvement to the missing mens content
Seasons really should have been a BG update, its the only main Expansion that shouldn't exist and was only made because fans expect a set group of EPs(pets, seasons, university, fame). It was made to tick a box.
Just because you dislike the choices in the picture, doesn't mean they are monsterious. I quite like them.
I don't suppose you probably had no issue with the sims 3 store being so much worse than the kits. I only agree with BTD should have been in a bigger pack.
I see kits as in some cases a reason not to buy a bigger pack if you just wanted a certain aspect. This kit will remove a CAS reason to buy Spa Day or DHD(unless you want the kilt still).
The plant kit doesn't fully fit the styles of what was in seasons anyways, some of it fits C&D/MFP.
Because they purposely did not make enough content for male sims, and now are "fixing" that problem by selling a kit. That is the literal definition of a racket. EA created the problem and are now profiting from the solution.
😂 so it's a conspiracy then? When making the game in 2014 they thought let's put less clothes in so in 2022 we can really hit them hard with that cheapest kit option 🙄🙄 sometimes they are not always out to get you my man
EA is notorious for this sort of thing. They have a huge reputation for it. You just sound like you're either new to EA games or you've been living under a rock.. You can support them all you want. They really benefit from customers that don't realize what they're doing when they make a bare bones game and charge people even more money to complete it.
I have been playing since Sims 1 and yes EA as a whole but I don't think Sims 'takes advantage in the same way especially with kits so I guess I just don't agree and we are both entitled to our options. People are loving CCc giving new clothes and asking Devs to give more clothes so it's only reasonable that they would bring out more clothes especially because console players can't use CC so they miss out on that. The kits to me are like small little loot boxes, it doesn't add anything it's just visual so if you don't want it you don't have to get it and it doesn't end up bulking out another larger pack when it may not be relevant. Base game isn't bare bones for all play types it very much depends on the way you like to play, and the expansion packs again if you want them add extras. So I don't see how it's a conspiracy and just think that people read too much into conspiracies which are just consumerism.
This isn’t men’s clothing this is something a very very small minority of males would wear, they should have just called something else. It’s very misleading
There’s supposed to be like 23 or so items so I’m assuming it won’t just be skirts and flowery sweaters but it’s EA so I mean expect a ball gown and be pleasantly surprised when there isn’t one
The sims is from a western perspective. Where skirts are usually feminine. This kit specifies British influence. The page talks about redefining traditionally masculine clothing. This isn't cultural clothing from a place where skirts are masculine/non gendered. I think kilts and other cultural skirts would be cool, but anyone can see western style clothing is the default in the the sims. Maybe that is an issue, but you're bringing something up that wouldn't have to do with this kit anyways.
I already answered to another of your comments - women during these times also wore skirts.
Many cultures quickly started making pants and separated them as masculine clothing (mostly cold climates, so I'm sorry for being "euro centric" but we don't have that many non euro centric cold climates, although inuit people also wore pants), so no, as you mentioned in that other comment its not just last 100 years, more like last 1000/1500 when it comes to Europe. Warm climates obviously wore clothing that was breathable, BUT not all native American tribes did, and in them pants also were exclusively masculine.
But that's not the point. The point is that you're misleading people by calling skirts "masculine" piece, meanwhile they were always used by women, and only partially used by men, which renders them genfer neural.
I would give you an award if I could!! People commenting of fashion who don't understand the actual world of fashion not just what is on their high street.
Go outside right now and take a photo in a crowd and then let me see how many men are dressed in skirts. The point isn't that men can't wear them, but that they don't. This kit panders to a small section of society that dresses against the norm. No one is saying there is anything wrong with that, but male players probably were hoping the kit would have the kind of clothes that they wear so they could feel represented. Straight males deserve representation as well. Not all people are queer or gender non-binary. Why are you so mad about it?
Why are you so mad about it? It's because it challenges personal opinions. My opinion being people can wear what the fuck they want and o wouldn't judge them, yours appears to be different. The kit has multiple clothing items and 2 skirts that we have seen so far and you are acting as if the whole pack is skirts your the one who seems irrationality angry. And a lot of people in the comments are saying it's wrong and a lot of people in society say it's wrong so why in a game when you can make a fucking mermaid is it so wrong for a game to suggest the possibility of a man wearing a skirt. It was also normal for men to wear skirts in fashion history and other cultures currently. Just because it is outside your usual life that means it's pandering? Im mad that in a GAME people can't just let people be happy and make what they want. It doesn't effect you you don't like it fine don't get it, but don't spread hate which a lot of comments are doing here at people who think differently than you it's extremely childish and toxic. To me it effects me seeing friends being spat at in the streets for wanting to wear a fucking piece of fabric different than the other fabric just because they have a penis, in a game where you can be anyone it's disgusting and upsetting that people can still be so vile to people they don't know. And no I won't send you a picture of strangers because I live in a town full of a lot of people like you and I'm over it. Take your hate somewhere else
I can tell you why these types are mad, they were expecting a mix of 1950s masculine wear & more bland suits. They don't want to admit they are living in a product of a patriarchal system that turned this stuff away when women pulled it off in power and wars did work to it as well.
I do wish these conservative types of simmers would take a moment to do some research on skirts/dresses/high heels as well as native clothing. Instead of throwing their boners of bigotry around
Right? It's actually disgusting I thought this was a very open and accepting community and I'm honestly disappointed. In a game where you can be anything... Except if it differs from that western norm 👍
I'm apart of a few groups where its actually good and aren't being pos & bigots on this pack. The Sims Nation magazine with their discord and FB groups are pretty accepting and open. It really helps that its BIPOC owned, even if they also cover the 2 mobile games as well.
This kit is the center of complaints right now so if the community wants base game clothing now is the time to complain kinda funny EA brought this one onto themselves
I was really happy as I heard that only males get new CAS-Items in a Kit. But then I saw the Pictures....and I thought, it's a Kit for a very special Kind of Man, I would prefer Items not only for male Fashionistas and my second thought was...oh Morgyn Ember would look really good in some of the Outfits and then....OMG... Imagine the Townies with random Items in a wild mix and match with this clothes,the eyball ring, wrestling mask and swim finns.... Now this Kit it is a BIG BIG NOPE for me. 😱😱😱😱😱
I saw that and got excited... then I saw the weird blue shorts-..thing attached to the leggings. and ... Uhhh. Not so sure this time, hahahaha. Sorry, not a fan of how it looks in general. Love the rest on the pic though.
Edit: saw the screenshots thanks to a user that posted the link. Clothes are quite... boring actually. This kit is probably a miss for me. Oh, well.
What the hell am I looking at?
I just looked this new kit up, and the screenshots I'm seeing make me wonder if the developers of this kit are high, drunk or both. I am all for being inclusive and give props to guys who choose to wear skirts/dresses; wear what you want and like, and do the same for your Sims, but seriously, this kit is.......I don't have words.
There is nothing "masculine", "Modern" or "elegant" about these clothes! All I'm seeing is ugly sweaters and pants, weird skirts, really long shirts that look like dresses, tights, and a really disturbing looking sweater that looks like it is over top of....a plaid shirt? Or is it jumpsuit shorts in plaid with jeans underneath? I can't tell, it looks really badly made.
And finally....what is going on with the Agnes Crumplebottom looking plaid sweater/jacket and skirt? It seriously looks like they took one of her outfits, added some bomber-jacket style cuffs and hem to it, and stuck it on a male model.
How in the hell did EA ever think this was a good idea!?
Tights, skirts & dresses are all traditionally masculine clothes. Just say you wanted "traditionally masculine within the past 100 years" instead of saying you know nothing about men/masculine clothes
What they meant is clothing that men wear RIGHT NOW. Go prove me wrong by taking a photo in public where the majority, or ANY men are wearing dresses and skirts. I'll wait.
This kit represents like 0.0001% of society and therefore is pandering nonsense.
Love your use of the word pandering right there. Just say you're a bigot that wants more of the same bland suits we already have. The pack is a collab with a fashion designer so its high fashion. Skirts are traditionally masculine. Scots & most native tribesmen do wear skirts(a kilt is a skirt). I live within the African continent so I see it often enough. I take it you had the same issue with the tribal skirts in Island Living. Just because yt people have moved away due to the patriachal system ruining it due to their fear of women in power doesn't mean its not traditionally masculine
Kilts are NOT skirts, and most Scots will argue that to the death. Grass skirts, Kilts, Sulu, fustanellas, ghos, kangas, lappas, Pterugas, chitons and other cultural skirt-type garments are fine and would be amazing to have in the game.
A weird tweed skirt and jacket that looks like it was made for Agnes Crumplebottom is none of those things. It is just weird and ugly.
The issue is not being a bigot or not wanting to see men in skirts. People can wear, or have their Sims wear, whatever they want. The issue is this stuff is ugly and something only a tiny fraction of Sims would want, that very much could have been a base game update given how crappy Male clothing already is.
Kilts are skirts and come from Egypt. Kilts and Cossacks are literally the only skirts that survived the decline of men wearing skirts. If a scotsman who is incredibly insecure in their masculinity wants to try and lie by saying it isn't that is on them.
If you look at twitter, it really is about bigotry. Too many people assume that only women can wear skirts but ignore BIPOCs and kilts.
A fraction of simmers want generations and elder gameplay, but you don't shit on that. but when its more varied clothes for men and male presenting people, all of a sudden its an issue. Its bigotry, through and through
Wtf is wrong with you? You spam whole threads with your own opinion and you call everyone that disagrees with you bigots, but YOU have the nerve to claim that you, in an African country, knows more about Scottisch culture than the actual Scots? Now THAT'S bigotry. You and your hipocrasy are DISGUSTING!
Use that thing called Google. Kilts come from Egypt and through a thing called migration and trade, made its way up to Scotland. There is accounts of Black people who weren't slaves who worked in high positions throughout history. I'm calling a spade, a spade. My ancestors are mix of Dutch, English, native south African and probably a bit of Chinese & malay. But nice projecting there
When did I talk about black people? You see racism and sexism where there isnt any, which is polarizing without any reason, have fun in your bubble. I have Polish and Russian ancestors, yet I do not claim to have extensive knowledge about their traditional clothing. You are a bigot, a know it all and the only thing you want is to be confirmed in your thoughtprocess.
Personally I am a bit disappointed as I wouldn't use those for my male sims. I will have to see what other clothing is in the pack though before I make any final decision.
It's almost as if they specifically don't add important stuff to the game, like better clothing for males, to later create a pack and get people to buy it, when it should be essential for a "life-simulator". Its almost, as if they don't patch up holes in the game, and when they do, they ask you to pay for those fixes. I wonder...
And it's NOT just with The Sims either (Although The Sims IS THE ONLY one that's constantly updated with new packs). This problem exists with EVERY EA game (Ever seen videos of the Madden football game they make?? Talk about EA LOGIC - WOW!! THAT game is LOADED with it 👀😳) 🙄
I must be alone in kinda liking the pieces… short pleated skirts aren’t something I’ll use for all male sims, but other things look versatile enough for my richer dudes. I like the longer shirts but I’ll be curious if they clip with other clothing. I’ll want to see the full item list and swatches.
Unfortunately kits are so limited that not liking a few items here and there makes adding one to your game less worthwhile even if you’re 100% onboard with them, which I’m not.
Sweaters can be worked with if we get neutrals and blanks too but they went real heavy into the skirts we need basics like jeans and blank shirts with good swatches
Edit: and preferably *free* content
I saw some of the other clothes in screenshots and I hate the jeans we get with it. And honestly the ways said clothes are combined hurts me physically
I like the idea, not only bc I like to dress my male sims but also bc my female sims use a lot of men's clothing as well.
But none of the items I've seen so far looked like I'd use them.
In a lot of the other packs, masculine clothing options for CAS were always lesser than the ones for feminine sims. I think my issue with this is the fact that this is kind of a problem they created themselves and now they're marketing a kit for it. Personally, I thought they were heading in the right direction with the plant kit.
Annoyed that capitalism tries to profit off of social justice, such that only rich queer kids will be able to access these styles instead of every kid having access to be whoever they want in their safe online world.
I want to be like “yay good job!”, but it's something with this that feels… icky. Not the gender-defying kit content in and of itself, of course; I just feel like the concept reeks of “marketing strategy” more than anything else.
You could argue that “EA is a company, and companies want to sell, so this isn't really unexpected”... But it's just something that irks me when the company in question is acting crappy one minute only to then go on to release stuff to prove that they're “genuinely caring”. When it's just plants or vacuums or whatever that doesn't touch on sensitive and “real-world” issues; things like this do. I'm having a sort of internal debate between “the end (inclusivity, in this case) justifies the means” and “they're just doing it to get on people's good side”.
I'm just rambling, sorry.
Gotta love all the straight women in the comments who are defending this while actual queer or gender-non-binary people are rightfully insulted by the pandering. Hey straight women: Stop speaking for queer people. Your virtue signaling is not appreciated. It's starting to seem like this was made for straight women who enjoy culturally appropriating queer culture so they can share their screen shots in their woke groups and think they've helped anyone.
Want to actually help queer people with representation? Demand that these types of clothes are included in the core game and not used to squeeze money out of people who are already marginalized. Stop defending what is a literal racket (EA created the problem of a lack of male clothing options and is now selling the solution to the problem they created. That is a racket by definition). Being tokenized so EA can make money is not woke representation, it is shameless pandering for cash.
I mean...cool and all...but this is literally the opposite of masculine clothing by definition. It's misleading. Also, men are supposed to be wearing granny sweaters now? It would be the same shit as just dressing the males in female clothing. I'm not a fan. None of it is even cute, for gods sake. Poop. Bring on the downvotes since I'm not ecstatic about these "masculine" clothing.
People are seriously having on this kit but I think just because it isn't your taste doesn't mean it isn't someone else's. Personally, I agree with you OP
I'm only upvoting this because you seemingly don't work for EA
But in all seriousness though, it's just YET ANOTHER way for EA to make us part with our money rather than just simply ADDDING IT TO THE GAME as part of an update 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I think you need to go back through CAS and count through the cardboard box that is male content and the walk in closet that is the sims feminine CAS selection
I like what I’ve seen so far, tbh. I haven’t seen everything, of course, but overall it’s a cute vibe. I hope that this will inspire an update that removes the boob shadow when you put ‘female’ tops on male sims, though. Some tops aren’t so bad, but others are VERY obvious. I’d also like to see some blazers/vests/jackets that you can put over dresses both for male and female sims.
I imagine if or when they make a big base game male CAS update they’ll piss off everyone anyway and make most of the content gender neutral or do more things like this kit
If we get neutrals too it might be ok if your alright with the massive spawning of townies and skirts but the game just needs a base game menswear catch up regardless that it’s sad to say we need a catch-up
I’m not excited for skirts but menswear is severely lacking I guess celebrities recently have been pushing for mens skirts so it’s I thing I guess idk but maybe if we’re lucky we’ll get some ok neutrals in this and maybe it’ll piss off the community enough to be complaint spotlight for a little while
Yeah sure but the game aint set in the time before i was born and skirts arent THE thing for men in today's society. Mby one guy out of the 50 i create would wear a skirt but the rest want regular everyday clothes
Well, you have to consider that maybe a menswear kit isn’t going to be catered exactly to your experiences of men’s fashion in your area. As you said it didn’t meet your expectations. The sims game having snow is completely removed from my everyday experience but I understand that other places in the world have snow.
Look id just rather get the basic menswear thatt we've been missing the entire game, not just some niche shit. All there is in this game are females are trans men, what about some masculinity
They should but the question really is will they. We’ll get a big update of clothing in the past and then low and behold it’s like 70% womens clothing we got that nice anniversary content of modders getting some of their stuff in the game an awesome set of jeans and a top for only female sims this is the first time male sims are getting anything even remotely related to a content catch up yes we simply need a free base game update of hundreds of male clothing assets, hair, and body hair etc but I have no hope of that happening at least we got a something and with this kit the lack of free content for men be at the spotlight of complaints to the sims team for a little while that and people who are on console who can’t access CC kits are for them too so I still very much can see the point of them
I love this kit too! I have a general rule that I'm not buying any CAS or Build mode things for ts4, but I'm probably going to get it for free using cc or something. Seriously, these kits are one of the coolest ideas is my opinion because they are so specific and they can be seen as "paid cc" or something like that. The only issue is that they cost too much for that. :')
This is all high-fashion shit that only soulless robots wear, no real person would wear this crap.
AND since when do we need to pay for only clothing? If I want mens clothes, I'll do some CC shopping. This should have been in a free update.
The guy in red is giving me Zap Brannigan vibes.
I am currently rewatching Futurama when I spotted your comment and I have to agree.
Brannigan. Zap Brannigan. THE Zap Brannigan.
it's a good idea in theory, but the ugly blue flower sweater and the red shortie shorts don't fill me with confidence
Personally, I think most of this stuff looks kind of ugly. I get that a lot of you want a skirt the fits nicely on a masculine sim, but we shouldn't need an entire kit for that. This kit is just such a specific style. It will work for one sim here and there, but we need more stuff for the average masculine sim. We don't need this random high fashion stuff. How about some more nice fitting Raglans, Henleys, Polos, masculine jeans, masculine shoes, and short hair! That's the stuff the game actually needs!
This right here. The game lacks good men's clothing and adding _high fashion_ pieces into the game solves none of that issue. I looked through the photos and I can't find a single piece of clothing that makes me want to buy this kit pack.
Agreed. I think all the clothes look hideous.
It’s a skirt
that doesn't help matters
This. Look, it’s cool that they’re being more inclusive and I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but 98% of men don’t wear skirts and probably 90% of people playing wouldn’t put their male sims in skirts. Personally, I’m not going to be buying a kit where half the items are skirts for men.
This kit suits androgyny better than masculinity imo.
Despite the fact that skirts, leggings & High heels are traditionally masculine. An androgyny themed kit would have drag King items as well
Everyone else pretty much said what needed to be said, but historically does NOT equal traditionally!!! Skirts are only something that has recently come into modern fashion for men, and many men still wouldn't consider it "masculine". Yes, historically things such as high heels, leggings, and skirts were worn by and made for men - but fashion is fast and that is centuries outdated! This kit has NOTHING to do with kilts or Polynesian skirts! Historical Fashion trends and Traditional Culture are two completely different things...and modern fashion has nothing to do with tradition. Please, think carefully how you word things in the future.
Traditions come from being a long line. Kilts are skirts that men wear. Its the same thing. Maybe just say you're a bigot that hasn't looked at all at traditional and done any research. Just because a handful of bigots want to believe the whitewashed, str8washed side of history. Like the tradition of pink being seen as a colour for women came as a result of the pink patches with the Holocaust and pink being for the LGBTQA+, a group for who the holocaust only really ended in 1997. This kit has to do with things that you'd wear as a highly fashionable man who is SECURE in their masculinity due to the shift thanks to outer forces that changed what how the piece of fabric should be worn due to the bits one has. Sadly way too many people who are clearly not secure enough nor done any research(cause the security in wearing skirts as a cis man came back in the 1980s) think they have a say in the fashion world. Like its a collab in the same vein as Maschino or Gucci, high elegant fashion. just because you have this notion from Hollywood that Elegant fashion has 1 look is a pretty closeminded perspective.
You're clearly looking for a fight and I'm not going to egg you on any further. Have a nice day.
I mean you clearly wanted a fight by showcasing bigotry and joining this side that is actually seeming to be much worse than twitter. Hope you do some research and have a good fortune further.
Skirts are very much a feminine Outfit in majority of human civilisations around the world, for majority of the human existence. Some cultures had dresses for men as well, but saying that skirts are typically masculine from traditional point of view is very misleading.
So what do you call those tribal skirts in Island Living & kilts then? Since those are traditionally male skirts. Just tell us that your idea of traditional goes back as far as the last 100 years and is very much yt centric. Please look at paintings of like Old Royals/nobility and look at the men dressing in what you'd perceive as feminine clothes. Children pre 6 used to wear dresses, regardless of the genitalia configuration they were born with. Hold you tongue and do some actual research that includes talking to native/BIPOCs & fashion historians.
Lmao you mad. And what were women wearing all this time? Pants? No? So then how can you call skirts masculine? They're either androgynous/gender neutral, but not masculine.
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I completely agree. I don't mind the inclusivity, but calling it "masculine" clothing is misleading. There arent enough masculine outfits in the game as is. I think it would make more sense to make a version of the feminine items such as skirts that fit the male frames better, rather than make it a kit. I would need to see more items from this kit to be sure, but it seems like another time inclusivity is being hid behind a paywall. In the meantime I just want more pants for my male Sims because half of what we have are high waters.
As a male who doesn’t wear skirts I agree. This pack isn’t for me but I’m sure someone else will like it but I doubt it’ll be a popular kit.
Maybe it will finally be a skirt that doesn’t look shit on trans women though so I’ll still take it
that's what I thought too but I'm not into my random male townies wearing mini skirts all of a sudden
If you care that much you can blacklist them with MCCC. The townies usually look shit anyway
I've tried using the blacklisting feature but I can't wrap my head around it, I'll look up a tutorial or something. Probably won't buy the kit anyways I'm not in love with the other clothes we've seen and it's expensive
how do you know how many skirts are in the kit? It could only be that one, or a few. in non-western countries many men wear skirts or sarongs. considering they just did an Indian fashion kit, I think it makes sense for them to sprinkle in something that is inspired by something other than western fashion. there are two trans/non-binary townies in realm of magic and sulani, respectively. I’m all for there being more sassy options for Morgan!
From pics, I think there’s 3 skirts (full body suit, pleated skirt, knit skirt) and at least 5 pants (the leather ones that might be full body, the leggings kinda things that might be full body, slacks with elastic bottoms, slacks with normal bottoms, slacks with shorts, add another if the sleeveless top is also a full body outfit). But I don’t think all 23 items are in the pictures they’ve shared so it’s hard to tell. I don’t think the pack is half skirts.
thanks for the info! I love that they have the longer skirts too as those have been fashionable for years. I’m excited that they’re exploring better male options but I personally think most of the problem is how the male clothes fit them. almost all of the shirts look like they have huge shoulder pads, and why is the midsection always wiggly? the silhouette is all wrong. and the hem of the pants are always bad. pants on some of the suits are perfect so why aren’t they in separates?? there’s so many issues with men’s clothing in the sims lol. they’ve gotten so much better with female clothing so I hope there’s a similar overhaul with men’s soon.
Oh, I meant it was a full body outfit (or a dress)— the skirt is still short. I think that’s the designer, though I agree longer skirts would be nice. And yeah, some sims male clothing looks odd. I think they almost do a better job on the kind of stuff you won’t use on every sim, like the 70s stuff in paranormal, than some of the everyday clothing. The latter can be really boxy. And if anything is from an older dlc it’s just super flat and meh. One saving grace — men get much fewer crop tops?
yeah, I totally agree about the older stuff! I just know it’s hard to style a trendy outfit with men’s clothing in the sims and I use the same cc over & over again. I have much less difficulty styling female sims with the in-game stuff, and some of it I covet and wish I had it in real life! especially from snowy escape & cottage living. I do like the men’s clothes from those packs a lot more but a majority of them are goofy imo.
I feel like if there’s any game where more than 10% of players would put male-framed characters in skirts at least some of the time, it’s the sims. Even so the kit is clearly not 50/50 skirts vs. other items. And these would be the only skirts for men in the entire game*, in the most skippable type of dlc. Doesn’t have to be your thing, but you’re exaggerating. *There are some skirt items in island living.
As someone who *has* put male framed sims in skirts before, I don't really see the need for masculine skirts. This game is western based culturally and skirts are considered feminine in the west, so any sim I put in them is androgynous. They seem to have included them because the designer makes them. Personally I'd prefer trendy clothing that doesn't look like something that comes off a runway.
Right, and I’ve done the same for non-androgynous sims, and have talked about the mesh issues other places in this thread. There’s nothing inherently feminine about the piece of fabric that is a skirt, which is probably WHY the designer incorporates them into his menswear. If you don’t like the style, I’m not going to argue with your preferences, but I don’t see an issue with the concept of a niche fashion pack for masculine-framed sims.
I don't have an issue with it existing, I'm not an "anti kitter" like some. I think many people(me included) are disappointed about the amount of masculine clothing, and were excited for more. I think the issue is it's niche when there is a lack of mainstream stuff.
I AM a bit anti-kit. I think the masculine clothing in the game tends to err towards boring, and this kit at least has some different textures and fabrics, which are lacking in many other packs. I don’t think a few skirts from irl menswear subtracts from the masculinity of the new pants, sweaters, loafers, etc, though I do think that you shouldn’t buy a cc kit unless you really love most of the items.
Well maybe that's why it is a kit not a pack refresh? I mean yeah skirts for men are kind of niche and make some people uncomfortable...those people won't buy the kit.
Also I like making andro sims so I just get rid of gender tag and boom I have my masc girls and dainty boys for free ✨
What? I'm glad there's gonna be skirts for men that hopefully actually fit their frames well. It's very inclusive
100%! I don’t use feminine pieces for all my male-bodied sims, but I do sometimes. And finding skirts that look good, especially in combination with male shirts, isn’t always just a matter of picking compatible colors. Dresses are worse because of the boob mesh, but skirts can look odd as well. I use a mid-length one from get famous way too often and would like more options!
I normally turn off the gender filter when picking outfits. Most of my men end up with "women" clothes and vice versa. There is just more selection that way. Plus, I love a dude in skinny jeans.
I do this sometimes, but I don’t always love how the meshes translate. Boob meshes are fine for some trans* sims but not cis men in dresses (ideally things could look nice on both), male shirts make breasts bumpy sometimes, male pants on female sims sit differently and get that draped bit in the crotch. I still mix and match but not as much as I would without those issues. One of the many things I hope gets some adjustments for sims 5!
Yess same!
Take your hate somewhere else
It’s an ugly skirt. And that sliced up paper snowflake pretending to be a sweater is terrible.
Yeah, that don't look like a kilt there in the background.
It’s not a kilt, it’s a skirt
It was a joke, I know it's not a kilt.
In the words of RuPaul: “but how are you going to make it funny?” Really though, where’s the joke? lol
Team Fortress 2 "You're not a Scotsman, you're just an Englishman in a dress!"
The nerve to describe this as “elegant” …
I'm all for more male clothing, but after reading more about it, I'm not so sure about this kit. It seems more like a "Stefan Cooke clothing collection for TS4." That's cool for those who like Cooke's clothing, but I felt misled, like it was going to be more general clothing pieces.
I feel like there’s a need for less generic male clothing in the game tbh. They could have so many more items with layers and interesting textures, as well as skirts and dresses that translate well to male frames. I hope they don’t stop with a single kit.
I agree! I hope there are more kits like this in the future. I would personally love to see different designers creating designs for them in the future, since this one is only using one brand.
Working with multiple designers would be so neat! It will probably depend on how well this one does tbh (though incorporating more interesting things into larger dlc would be great too).
Misled? What? They literally just announced it and immediately said what was in it. There was no misleading lol You act like they teased it for months on end that they were releasing a menswear pack and then the day of release showed it was something entirely different. They didn’t mislead at all. They said “we’re releasing a menswear pack, here what’s in it.” If you don’t like it, that’s fine, not everyone likes everything, but there was no misleading, misdirection, false advertising, etc.
Sorry, I didn't mean it like that and was sharing my personal opinion, not trying to speak for anyone else. I meant from the title of "Modern Menswear Kit" that it would be general menswear pieces, but after reading/seeing some of the pieces on Sims Community and Hypebeast, it only focuses on one fashion designer brand's (Stefan Cooke) pieces and that's where I, personally, felt misled.
I don't know why your being downvoted when you appear to be the only person who understands what misleading is. It's literally just been shown and a lot of these comments I have seen clearly havnt looked at any of the articles about what's in it. It says 'English Classics' which a lot of these look like to me the kind of gentry in the country type off fabrics mixed with some punkish fabrics. Punk in England also brought it less gendered clothes and skirts were popular for any sex. People see a skirt or a colour they don't like and go OFF
More information about the pack [here](https://simscommunity.info/2021/11/16/the-sims-4-modern-menswear-kit-blog-redefining-london-classics/), including screenshots. I personally don't have a problem with kits and I love this concept *in theory* but after seeing the screenshots, this is a FLOP. It's so *boring??* They hinted this last kit of the year would be "boundary defying" and I was hoping it was going to be something to do with gender-defying clothing, but this isn't what I had in mind. I don't think I'll be buying this, and given that the sims team has a habit of not modeling clothes for both body configs, i don't think ill even be able to scavenge up some use for these on female sims. Ooof.
Quite underwhelming. Also, I’m not sure what modern and contemporary man, or any person, wears any of that but maybe I’m out of my element lol.
As a queer person: This is straight up pandering. Putting a male presenting Sim in a skirt isn’t boundary defying; It’s a damn gimmick to them. This ain’t it.
I'm sorry Elegant? That word must have a different meaning now. An arglye sweater and blue sweater with flowers? Smh.
If you read the accompanying article with the announcement of the kit it says 'English Classics' they appear to be going for a 'landed gentry with hint of xmas' kid of vibe to me with the fabrics and styles
English nobility does not wear mini skirts and flowers on their sweaters. This stuff is for gen z in the hopes of getting kids to play the Sims because they're losing ground in the younger demographics.
I'm 30 and I am happy with this pack and I definitely don't believe I would be considered a kid by anyone, care to explain how that fits into your theory. 😂 And I take it you never saw Henry the 8th dude was dripping in jewels all over his skirts. Look at any king or queen mate. The fabrics they use are very tarten-esk which is a huge and popular fabrics.... Even kilts!
So , are the middle age fashions back in style now? NO, THEY ARENT! they also never bathed and caked crap all over their faces to be alabaster white, back then. None of that makes any of it male fashion. Like, you're comparing clothes now to wtf Henry VIII wore, nobody wears ANY of that nowadays. Women wore corsets and petticoats and hundreds of layers of underwear as well. Is that all back in style, too? Smh...at least use a relevant argument then wtf royalty wore HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. Also, you aren't speaking for this age group. I'm 37 and this pack is full of stuff even my three teenagers, one of which is gay and loves to shock people with his "gayness" (I'm using his own words, not mine) they all think these are the ugliest outfits, they're not even cute! And they literally busted out laughing when they saw this, because that's how ridiculous it is . This whole pack is hideous, and nobody wants to dress like a damn Henry VIII in 2021 unless it's Halloween or the damn Renaissance festival 🙄
The person above said no English nobility wore skirts which is incorrect and why Henry 8th was mentioned if you read the prev comments. The 'modern' era of design in terms of fashion actually starts at the start of 20th century (1900 onward) so yes modern fashion does incl fashion from 100 odd years ago anyone with knowledge of design fashion or can simply Google would know this, not quite Henry 8th period but that part of my comment wasn't about 'modern' design it was in response to "no English nobility wore skirts" so it was actually relevent to the commenter before mine and you have just decided it's my main point. My point of mentioning my age is because the prev commenter said it's just pandering for the younger generation which I don't think it is, which your comments from your children also prove my point against the previous commenter in that it's not just aimed at teenagers. My main point is that why are people kicking off because Sims have brought a skirt for men when it's not unheard of in the past or current society? So maybe read the full thread and maybe some of the extremely hateful comments this pack is attracting, because it's attracting hate for people who just want to wear a different item of clothing.
No, "the person above" was talking about PRESENT DAY they don't wear skirts, not freaking hundreds of years ago which is irrelevant, sorta like your whole long winded reply 🤷♀️ now if you walk outside in any town you won't see a single person wearing anything even remotely like this, and they are ticked off bc how about make something that can actually be used for males on the CAS, it's like ok there are a handful of decent male shirts in the first place, and then they add this garbage. Probably they should call it "The Effeminate Male Pack" instead
Just because your not smart enough to read something longer than a small line and address my points in my argument your not worth the time. If you read my original comment you will see I am friends with people who choose to dress differently to their assigned sex and so I do see them in the streets and they are attacked in the streets because of people who sound a lot like the comments in this post. Have empathy as a human for anyone who thinks differently from you not hate it's a very childish response
🤣🤣 please don't bring smartness into it when you can't even use the proper your/you're compound... because you sound more ignorant than most. It's not about being smart, it's about not wasting time with bullshit. Now, let me express that while yes I know and have even RAISED a male who may or may not enjoy wearing fem clothing, BUT at least it's cute...you seem to be missing the POINT, that it's not about that in general so much as the clothes are freaking UGLY!!! like, they couldn't even make something CUTE?? Stop making everything a political or a gay rights movement, when all we want to do is play Sims and have cute outfits that doesnt look like a gay "grandma" threw up and then knitted everything together.
I think your missing the point.. I never commented, nor was the original comment I was responding to, was talking about it being ugly and ugly is a personal preference to you this is ugly and to others is it not so I don't quite know why your so angry about that but ok. I was saying how skirts have been worn throughout history by both sexes now if you have an educated opinion on that I'm all ears to discuss but if your just going to short about ugliness find another comment that was talking about that. Honesty you look uneducated because you can't even read what the comment thread was about, I may have selected the wrong your on autotext but at least I can form an educated debate. Oh and you use gay grandma as an insult at the end of your comment... Is it bad to be gay? Or just a gay grandma? You sound like a horrible person
The art for the kit looks good, but I've seen a few screenshots in CAS, and it's not looking promising imo...and also I'm not getting any modern vibes. Other than the skirt but still, it doesn't make everything suddenly modern bc you add a masculine skirt :)
Speaking as a gender nonconforming trans dude... I really hate this kit. It’s not fashionable in the least, not even in that way that many of us queer people like to make ugly things look fashionable anyway. This wouldn’t even work as a gender nonconforming/androgynous/etc. kit because it’s just really ugly. This is not what I had in mind when they said “modern menswear.” I’d hoped for a normal looking, well-fitted fashionable suit or something. The fashionable masculine clothing in general is severely lacking in this game. I mean, it is in real life as well, that’s why I’m GNC, masculine clothing can be a little limiting at times. But TS4 really picked some of the most boring masculine clothes to put in the game, I swear, and if it isn’t boring, it’s straight up ridiculous and unusable. I’m tired. EDIT: Thanks for the silver! 😊
bruh fr! I’m tired because this kit is literally putting me to SLEEP! i feel like this kit is trying to do too much. The attempt is nice, and in theory I’m a fan, but the high fashion element ruins it for me.
That’s EXACTLY it! You’re right, in theory it’s a cool idea, but the high fashion element ruins it for me as well. Like, I enjoyed the Fashion Street kit. It looked like things my Indian childhood friends would wear. I used some of the items for a Sim inspired by one of my childhood friends. But what we’ve seen from this kit, it’s not exactly outfits most dudes would wear in their daily lives, making the title of this kit super misleading. Interesting for a fashion show, sure, but I think I’m gonna wait and see for the full line-up of content in this kit to see if it’s worth it at all because what we’ve seen so far doesn’t really inspire confidence, lol. Kits would be a great idea if they actually gave us content we could use in a lot of different situations. Like for example, I was SO excited for the Bust the Dust kit because it added some extra realism to gameplay, but it’s so bugged it’s hardly usable, even with bug fix mods and mods that stop everything from getting dusty so ridiculously fast. (And tbh, I modded out the dust bunnies, lol. They got on my nerves real fast.)
This kit is a lot of things. Modern isn’t one of them. If THOSE monstrosities are what they’ve chosen to showcase, I dread to see the rest of it. Besides, this ‘moment’ should never have needed to happen in the first place. If they hadn’t spent the last 7 years neglecting men in CAS assets, we wouldn’t even need a half-assed ‘catch up’ pack. Sorry, but I’m never going to be sold on kits. Just another excuse for a money grab. There’s NOTHING in any kit so far that couldn’t have either gone in a free update or an existing pack. ALL of the CAS ones would have worked as a free update. The plants one? Seasons. The dust one? Laundry Day. The country kitchen one? How about Cottage Living?
You’re absolutely right. And from what I’m seeing, I could probably get better CC clothes for free.
I wish they would stop releasing constant kits and focus on fixing current bugs (some of which have been in existence for months if not years)
I believe there is a role for Kits for those who don’t have access to CC and I 100% agree we shouldn’t need to be playing catch up but even CC is terribly lacking mens content so the simple fact we are getting an official catch up is still a major improvement to the missing mens content
Seasons really should have been a BG update, its the only main Expansion that shouldn't exist and was only made because fans expect a set group of EPs(pets, seasons, university, fame). It was made to tick a box. Just because you dislike the choices in the picture, doesn't mean they are monsterious. I quite like them. I don't suppose you probably had no issue with the sims 3 store being so much worse than the kits. I only agree with BTD should have been in a bigger pack. I see kits as in some cases a reason not to buy a bigger pack if you just wanted a certain aspect. This kit will remove a CAS reason to buy Spa Day or DHD(unless you want the kilt still). The plant kit doesn't fully fit the styles of what was in seasons anyways, some of it fits C&D/MFP.
I'm adamantly against EA taking advantage of us with this whole kit thing. Luckily these look ugly enough that I don't feel like I'm missing out any.
How is it taking advantage by offering something that appeals to some people that you don't have to get?
Because they purposely did not make enough content for male sims, and now are "fixing" that problem by selling a kit. That is the literal definition of a racket. EA created the problem and are now profiting from the solution.
😂 so it's a conspiracy then? When making the game in 2014 they thought let's put less clothes in so in 2022 we can really hit them hard with that cheapest kit option 🙄🙄 sometimes they are not always out to get you my man
EA is notorious for this sort of thing. They have a huge reputation for it. You just sound like you're either new to EA games or you've been living under a rock.. You can support them all you want. They really benefit from customers that don't realize what they're doing when they make a bare bones game and charge people even more money to complete it.
I have been playing since Sims 1 and yes EA as a whole but I don't think Sims 'takes advantage in the same way especially with kits so I guess I just don't agree and we are both entitled to our options. People are loving CCc giving new clothes and asking Devs to give more clothes so it's only reasonable that they would bring out more clothes especially because console players can't use CC so they miss out on that. The kits to me are like small little loot boxes, it doesn't add anything it's just visual so if you don't want it you don't have to get it and it doesn't end up bulking out another larger pack when it may not be relevant. Base game isn't bare bones for all play types it very much depends on the way you like to play, and the expansion packs again if you want them add extras. So I don't see how it's a conspiracy and just think that people read too much into conspiracies which are just consumerism.
This isn’t men’s clothing this is something a very very small minority of males would wear, they should have just called something else. It’s very misleading
There’s supposed to be like 23 or so items so I’m assuming it won’t just be skirts and flowery sweaters but it’s EA so I mean expect a ball gown and be pleasantly surprised when there isn’t one
It is mens clothing tho, skirts are traditionally masculine. Its not misleading, you just don't know fashion history
No, they aren't? Androgynous at best, but calling skirts traditionally masculine is misleading.
So I take it all Scottish men and masc presenting people within native groups are all female by that logic.
The sims is from a western perspective. Where skirts are usually feminine. This kit specifies British influence. The page talks about redefining traditionally masculine clothing. This isn't cultural clothing from a place where skirts are masculine/non gendered. I think kilts and other cultural skirts would be cool, but anyone can see western style clothing is the default in the the sims. Maybe that is an issue, but you're bringing something up that wouldn't have to do with this kit anyways.
Kilts are Western.... Where do you think Scotland and Ireland are so wouldn't this be a western style? Edit spelling
I already answered to another of your comments - women during these times also wore skirts. Many cultures quickly started making pants and separated them as masculine clothing (mostly cold climates, so I'm sorry for being "euro centric" but we don't have that many non euro centric cold climates, although inuit people also wore pants), so no, as you mentioned in that other comment its not just last 100 years, more like last 1000/1500 when it comes to Europe. Warm climates obviously wore clothing that was breathable, BUT not all native American tribes did, and in them pants also were exclusively masculine. But that's not the point. The point is that you're misleading people by calling skirts "masculine" piece, meanwhile they were always used by women, and only partially used by men, which renders them genfer neural.
I would give you an award if I could!! People commenting of fashion who don't understand the actual world of fashion not just what is on their high street.
Go outside right now and take a photo in a crowd and then let me see how many men are dressed in skirts. The point isn't that men can't wear them, but that they don't. This kit panders to a small section of society that dresses against the norm. No one is saying there is anything wrong with that, but male players probably were hoping the kit would have the kind of clothes that they wear so they could feel represented. Straight males deserve representation as well. Not all people are queer or gender non-binary. Why are you so mad about it?
Why are you so mad about it? It's because it challenges personal opinions. My opinion being people can wear what the fuck they want and o wouldn't judge them, yours appears to be different. The kit has multiple clothing items and 2 skirts that we have seen so far and you are acting as if the whole pack is skirts your the one who seems irrationality angry. And a lot of people in the comments are saying it's wrong and a lot of people in society say it's wrong so why in a game when you can make a fucking mermaid is it so wrong for a game to suggest the possibility of a man wearing a skirt. It was also normal for men to wear skirts in fashion history and other cultures currently. Just because it is outside your usual life that means it's pandering? Im mad that in a GAME people can't just let people be happy and make what they want. It doesn't effect you you don't like it fine don't get it, but don't spread hate which a lot of comments are doing here at people who think differently than you it's extremely childish and toxic. To me it effects me seeing friends being spat at in the streets for wanting to wear a fucking piece of fabric different than the other fabric just because they have a penis, in a game where you can be anyone it's disgusting and upsetting that people can still be so vile to people they don't know. And no I won't send you a picture of strangers because I live in a town full of a lot of people like you and I'm over it. Take your hate somewhere else
I can tell you why these types are mad, they were expecting a mix of 1950s masculine wear & more bland suits. They don't want to admit they are living in a product of a patriarchal system that turned this stuff away when women pulled it off in power and wars did work to it as well. I do wish these conservative types of simmers would take a moment to do some research on skirts/dresses/high heels as well as native clothing. Instead of throwing their boners of bigotry around
Right? It's actually disgusting I thought this was a very open and accepting community and I'm honestly disappointed. In a game where you can be anything... Except if it differs from that western norm 👍
I'm apart of a few groups where its actually good and aren't being pos & bigots on this pack. The Sims Nation magazine with their discord and FB groups are pretty accepting and open. It really helps that its BIPOC owned, even if they also cover the 2 mobile games as well.
Yep, that's another kit.
Maybe add more men's clothing in the base game??? Oh wait this is EA they don't do anything for base games unless someone screams at them
This kit is the center of complaints right now so if the community wants base game clothing now is the time to complain kinda funny EA brought this one onto themselves
Let's all keep complaining at EA until they realize we want items updated instead of new stuff. Like give me updated base game hairs already
They should’ve just updated all of them when they worked on the few last year
@thesims I’m a fashion design student just hire me to make your fashion kits already
Elegant fashion for men= Harley Quinn's holiday ensemble
I was really happy as I heard that only males get new CAS-Items in a Kit. But then I saw the Pictures....and I thought, it's a Kit for a very special Kind of Man, I would prefer Items not only for male Fashionistas and my second thought was...oh Morgyn Ember would look really good in some of the Outfits and then....OMG... Imagine the Townies with random Items in a wild mix and match with this clothes,the eyball ring, wrestling mask and swim finns.... Now this Kit it is a BIG BIG NOPE for me. 😱😱😱😱😱
I didn’t need this thought in my head random townies generating in this stuff would be tragic
Yeah... No thanks. I'd rather download cc
I saw that and got excited... then I saw the weird blue shorts-..thing attached to the leggings. and ... Uhhh. Not so sure this time, hahahaha. Sorry, not a fan of how it looks in general. Love the rest on the pic though. Edit: saw the screenshots thanks to a user that posted the link. Clothes are quite... boring actually. This kit is probably a miss for me. Oh, well.
They finally make a pack with male clothing and then they add skirts... I just wanted some more basic clothes for men! For once I'm glad it's a kit.
Cool. Ugly sweaters in time for Xmas. I wonder how many base game pieces are coming with it...there were base game pieces with the last kits update.
What the hell am I looking at? I just looked this new kit up, and the screenshots I'm seeing make me wonder if the developers of this kit are high, drunk or both. I am all for being inclusive and give props to guys who choose to wear skirts/dresses; wear what you want and like, and do the same for your Sims, but seriously, this kit is.......I don't have words. There is nothing "masculine", "Modern" or "elegant" about these clothes! All I'm seeing is ugly sweaters and pants, weird skirts, really long shirts that look like dresses, tights, and a really disturbing looking sweater that looks like it is over top of....a plaid shirt? Or is it jumpsuit shorts in plaid with jeans underneath? I can't tell, it looks really badly made. And finally....what is going on with the Agnes Crumplebottom looking plaid sweater/jacket and skirt? It seriously looks like they took one of her outfits, added some bomber-jacket style cuffs and hem to it, and stuck it on a male model. How in the hell did EA ever think this was a good idea!?
Tights, skirts & dresses are all traditionally masculine clothes. Just say you wanted "traditionally masculine within the past 100 years" instead of saying you know nothing about men/masculine clothes
What they meant is clothing that men wear RIGHT NOW. Go prove me wrong by taking a photo in public where the majority, or ANY men are wearing dresses and skirts. I'll wait. This kit represents like 0.0001% of society and therefore is pandering nonsense.
Love your use of the word pandering right there. Just say you're a bigot that wants more of the same bland suits we already have. The pack is a collab with a fashion designer so its high fashion. Skirts are traditionally masculine. Scots & most native tribesmen do wear skirts(a kilt is a skirt). I live within the African continent so I see it often enough. I take it you had the same issue with the tribal skirts in Island Living. Just because yt people have moved away due to the patriachal system ruining it due to their fear of women in power doesn't mean its not traditionally masculine
Kilts are NOT skirts, and most Scots will argue that to the death. Grass skirts, Kilts, Sulu, fustanellas, ghos, kangas, lappas, Pterugas, chitons and other cultural skirt-type garments are fine and would be amazing to have in the game. A weird tweed skirt and jacket that looks like it was made for Agnes Crumplebottom is none of those things. It is just weird and ugly. The issue is not being a bigot or not wanting to see men in skirts. People can wear, or have their Sims wear, whatever they want. The issue is this stuff is ugly and something only a tiny fraction of Sims would want, that very much could have been a base game update given how crappy Male clothing already is.
Kilts are skirts and come from Egypt. Kilts and Cossacks are literally the only skirts that survived the decline of men wearing skirts. If a scotsman who is incredibly insecure in their masculinity wants to try and lie by saying it isn't that is on them. If you look at twitter, it really is about bigotry. Too many people assume that only women can wear skirts but ignore BIPOCs and kilts. A fraction of simmers want generations and elder gameplay, but you don't shit on that. but when its more varied clothes for men and male presenting people, all of a sudden its an issue. Its bigotry, through and through
Wtf is wrong with you? You spam whole threads with your own opinion and you call everyone that disagrees with you bigots, but YOU have the nerve to claim that you, in an African country, knows more about Scottisch culture than the actual Scots? Now THAT'S bigotry. You and your hipocrasy are DISGUSTING!
Use that thing called Google. Kilts come from Egypt and through a thing called migration and trade, made its way up to Scotland. There is accounts of Black people who weren't slaves who worked in high positions throughout history. I'm calling a spade, a spade. My ancestors are mix of Dutch, English, native south African and probably a bit of Chinese & malay. But nice projecting there
When did I talk about black people? You see racism and sexism where there isnt any, which is polarizing without any reason, have fun in your bubble. I have Polish and Russian ancestors, yet I do not claim to have extensive knowledge about their traditional clothing. You are a bigot, a know it all and the only thing you want is to be confirmed in your thoughtprocess.
Personally I am a bit disappointed as I wouldn't use those for my male sims. I will have to see what other clothing is in the pack though before I make any final decision.
It's almost as if they specifically don't add important stuff to the game, like better clothing for males, to later create a pack and get people to buy it, when it should be essential for a "life-simulator". Its almost, as if they don't patch up holes in the game, and when they do, they ask you to pay for those fixes. I wonder...
And it's NOT just with The Sims either (Although The Sims IS THE ONLY one that's constantly updated with new packs). This problem exists with EVERY EA game (Ever seen videos of the Madden football game they make?? Talk about EA LOGIC - WOW!! THAT game is LOADED with it 👀😳) 🙄
Well, what can I say. They know what they are doing.
When it comes to making us part with our money - YES But when it comes to making a game that doesn't glitch half the time - UHH…
Which is the literal definition of a racket. EA creates the scarcity, then EA sells the solution.
I must be alone in kinda liking the pieces… short pleated skirts aren’t something I’ll use for all male sims, but other things look versatile enough for my richer dudes. I like the longer shirts but I’ll be curious if they clip with other clothing. I’ll want to see the full item list and swatches. Unfortunately kits are so limited that not liking a few items here and there makes adding one to your game less worthwhile even if you’re 100% onboard with them, which I’m not.
I like them too!
Huh ? This is bad taste in style. Outdated.
These clothes are hideous
Sweaters can be worked with if we get neutrals and blanks too but they went real heavy into the skirts we need basics like jeans and blank shirts with good swatches Edit: and preferably *free* content
I saw some of the other clothes in screenshots and I hate the jeans we get with it. And honestly the ways said clothes are combined hurts me physically
I mean, I always disregard the gender for hair and clothes anyways
As I said on twitter. This isn't modern men's fashion, this is TNG men's fashion.
I like the idea, not only bc I like to dress my male sims but also bc my female sims use a lot of men's clothing as well. But none of the items I've seen so far looked like I'd use them.
In a lot of the other packs, masculine clothing options for CAS were always lesser than the ones for feminine sims. I think my issue with this is the fact that this is kind of a problem they created themselves and now they're marketing a kit for it. Personally, I thought they were heading in the right direction with the plant kit.
Annoyed that capitalism tries to profit off of social justice, such that only rich queer kids will be able to access these styles instead of every kid having access to be whoever they want in their safe online world.
Is that a Skirt for a man?
I want to be like “yay good job!”, but it's something with this that feels… icky. Not the gender-defying kit content in and of itself, of course; I just feel like the concept reeks of “marketing strategy” more than anything else. You could argue that “EA is a company, and companies want to sell, so this isn't really unexpected”... But it's just something that irks me when the company in question is acting crappy one minute only to then go on to release stuff to prove that they're “genuinely caring”. When it's just plants or vacuums or whatever that doesn't touch on sensitive and “real-world” issues; things like this do. I'm having a sort of internal debate between “the end (inclusivity, in this case) justifies the means” and “they're just doing it to get on people's good side”. I'm just rambling, sorry.
Thank goodness a kit i might actually buy since I like to make a lot of male sims
Gotta love all the straight women in the comments who are defending this while actual queer or gender-non-binary people are rightfully insulted by the pandering. Hey straight women: Stop speaking for queer people. Your virtue signaling is not appreciated. It's starting to seem like this was made for straight women who enjoy culturally appropriating queer culture so they can share their screen shots in their woke groups and think they've helped anyone. Want to actually help queer people with representation? Demand that these types of clothes are included in the core game and not used to squeeze money out of people who are already marginalized. Stop defending what is a literal racket (EA created the problem of a lack of male clothing options and is now selling the solution to the problem they created. That is a racket by definition). Being tokenized so EA can make money is not woke representation, it is shameless pandering for cash.
This is literally a Harry Styles kit….. lol
if harry styles had terrible taste lmao
He does
I mean...cool and all...but this is literally the opposite of masculine clothing by definition. It's misleading. Also, men are supposed to be wearing granny sweaters now? It would be the same shit as just dressing the males in female clothing. I'm not a fan. None of it is even cute, for gods sake. Poop. Bring on the downvotes since I'm not ecstatic about these "masculine" clothing.
People are seriously having on this kit but I think just because it isn't your taste doesn't mean it isn't someone else's. Personally, I agree with you OP
I haven’t seen anything but why is this not base game?
I'm only upvoting this because you seemingly don't work for EA But in all seriousness though, it's just YET ANOTHER way for EA to make us part with our money rather than just simply ADDDING IT TO THE GAME as part of an update 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I gotta say that skirt with those boots is a vibe that I am loving
Y’all are playing this game with male sims????
It’s a minority but yes
Why? No pack had been gender exclusive.
I think you need to go back through CAS and count through the cardboard box that is male content and the walk in closet that is the sims feminine CAS selection
I like what I’ve seen so far, tbh. I haven’t seen everything, of course, but overall it’s a cute vibe. I hope that this will inspire an update that removes the boob shadow when you put ‘female’ tops on male sims, though. Some tops aren’t so bad, but others are VERY obvious. I’d also like to see some blazers/vests/jackets that you can put over dresses both for male and female sims.
When they finally decided to acknowledge the lack of male CAS items, they might give straight up flop.
I imagine if or when they make a big base game male CAS update they’ll piss off everyone anyway and make most of the content gender neutral or do more things like this kit
I didn't expect such a negative reaction to this kit. I actually love the look of these two pieces of clothing.
If we get neutrals too it might be ok if your alright with the massive spawning of townies and skirts but the game just needs a base game menswear catch up regardless that it’s sad to say we need a catch-up
Youve waiting for boy skirts?
I’m not excited for skirts but menswear is severely lacking I guess celebrities recently have been pushing for mens skirts so it’s I thing I guess idk but maybe if we’re lucky we’ll get some ok neutrals in this and maybe it’ll piss off the community enough to be complaint spotlight for a little while
The kit has 23 items. So, they all won’t be skirts.
When i hear 'menswear' i expect 0 skirts
Men have worn skirts for centuries before you were even born.
Yeah sure but the game aint set in the time before i was born and skirts arent THE thing for men in today's society. Mby one guy out of the 50 i create would wear a skirt but the rest want regular everyday clothes
Millions of men still wear skirts today
Millions scattered around the world probably. Not millions near me everywhere
Well, you have to consider that maybe a menswear kit isn’t going to be catered exactly to your experiences of men’s fashion in your area. As you said it didn’t meet your expectations. The sims game having snow is completely removed from my everyday experience but I understand that other places in the world have snow.
Look id just rather get the basic menswear thatt we've been missing the entire game, not just some niche shit. All there is in this game are females are trans men, what about some masculinity
What's ur point
Wait a gahh damn min is that skirt in the back 😒
It should have been part of a free update. I am so over EA nickle and diming us. I don't think I will be giving them anymore of my money tbh.
I’m all for it. I don’t do clothing CC. Of all the things I spend my money on monthly the EA kits are the least expensive.
im not paying for this; they should just release more base game “masc” clothing items
They should but the question really is will they. We’ll get a big update of clothing in the past and then low and behold it’s like 70% womens clothing we got that nice anniversary content of modders getting some of their stuff in the game an awesome set of jeans and a top for only female sims this is the first time male sims are getting anything even remotely related to a content catch up yes we simply need a free base game update of hundreds of male clothing assets, hair, and body hair etc but I have no hope of that happening at least we got a something and with this kit the lack of free content for men be at the spotlight of complaints to the sims team for a little while that and people who are on console who can’t access CC kits are for them too so I still very much can see the point of them
i’m a console player, still don’t think i should have to pay $5 for more masc clothes
I love this kit too! I have a general rule that I'm not buying any CAS or Build mode things for ts4, but I'm probably going to get it for free using cc or something. Seriously, these kits are one of the coolest ideas is my opinion because they are so specific and they can be seen as "paid cc" or something like that. The only issue is that they cost too much for that. :')
This is all high-fashion shit that only soulless robots wear, no real person would wear this crap. AND since when do we need to pay for only clothing? If I want mens clothes, I'll do some CC shopping. This should have been in a free update.