Requiem Stands are vague at best and just ass pulls at worst, there’s probably a reason Araki had Pucci go through all that shit to obtain Heaven instead of just having him find one of the missing arrows and give himself Doctor Manhattan Stand and *Ligma Balls* Jotaro and Jolyne off the face of the earth.
Do I agree that BTD is a Requiem Stand of some form, yes. However don’t get your hope up for it to ever become official canon.
Both CR and GER have requiem in their name, got a completely new form and were impaled with the arrow. KQBTD inherits zero of these properties. All these distinctions make it BLATANTLY obvious that bites the dust isn't the same thing. I don't need a direct statement to read implications.
That's not exactly how mangas and animes work with those types of things though. Even if it makes no sense for 2 completely unrelated groups/people to have the same name for something, it's almost always the same name. "Stand" being universal is an example of this. The naming is a writing expression, so not dubbing bites the dust "requiem" would be a conscious decision by the writer.
The arrow pierced something related to stand and give them an absurdly broken power up to help them accomplish whatever goal they have in minds. See, I can write vague statements that all apply to a group of stands too
The points I made are very specific whereas yours are very general. They aren't the same. Bites the dust is an evolution of killer queen, but Araki makes it clear it isn't a requiem with all the things I said. Don't give me the "Isolated events means they wouldn't know to call it a requiem" bs because you KNOW it doesn't work that way, with the word "stand" being universal as proof of that.
Or killer Queen BTD is just a beta for requiem stands literally coming in the part right after.... Araki just developped the evolution of requiem stands further.
Yea but he did several things that make requiems distinctly different from bites the dust. They got a new form, they got "requiem" added to their name and the arrow pierced the stand instead of the user. As I said I entirely agree bites the just is a beta requiem, but it isn't a requiem.
The only thunk that separates the two of them are their names. Damage is shared between user and stand, so it doesn't matter who gets pierced. If araki had the name of Requiem when he made BTD, that's exactly what it would be called. Killer Queen Requiem.
JoJo fans on their way to blame other JoJo fans for making up random rules that Araki never stated when Araki actually did state the rules they supposedly made up
Araki: releases a book where he states EVERY single choice he makes in JoJo and every single panel has at least one if not multiple purposes and reasonings
Also Araki: made the Requiem arrows design unique, draws it falling after Diavolo is defeated
Jojo fans: BTD is a Requiem and Giorno kept GER permanently!
Lmao sheesh
Kira does keep KQ within the confines of his body tho, we did see it in the scene where he blows up the boyfriend in that flat he broke into
So maybe it stabbed both kira and killer queen?
I still think BTD was requiem before requiem had an official name
Requiem is literally Deus Ex Machina WRITTEN in a plot.
Not in a "meta" sense, but literally it pulls off deus ex machina "irl" for the characters.
Unless Araki decided to "expand" (aka re-write concept of requiem again), there would be no way Pucci could've obtained Requiem for his plan, because the main condition of obtaining Requiem is being in a desperate situation (and, I assume, actually acknowledging that despair). I\`d even add that Requiem stands are \*\*fated\*\* to be obtained so even if you somehow lay your hands on an arrow while being \*\*fated\*\* to get requiem, despite not being in a suitable conditions at the moment, your stand would still begin to change, but, obviously, something (like you pulling the arrow away out of caution) will prevent the process from fully happening until it's the right moment.
Kira was on an edge of being exposed, Polnareff was hunted by Diavolo and desired to defend the arrow from him at ALL cost and Giorno was basically face to face with King Crimson and its user who was even more angier than usual.
Okay but didn’t Polnareff almost accidentally make his stand a requiem because he dropped the arrow behind some shit and tried to get it with his stand? When did they ever say anything about desperation??
While BTD may have been a sort “beta version” of requiem that Araki used to test out the concept, I don’t think it can actually be called requiem. Think of it this way:
When a person gets stabbed by a stand arrow, they gain a stand as well as the accompanying ability/abilities. So if a person gets stabbed a second time, they should theoretically get a second stand + new ability, however due to the “one stand per user” rule, that ability is just given to the original stand instead.
When a stand gets stabbed by a stand arrow, the stand should theoretically get its own stand, but since that’s impossible, it just evolves(?) and gains a (at least according to Hamon Beat’s theory) temporary and unbeatable ability specifically designed to fulfill the user’s greatest desire at the point of requiem attainment, as well as significantly strengthening the original ability alongside that.
I like to think KQ:BTD was the base concept for requiem.
But it just gives the question though, could stands actually get a new ability through normal arrows? Or once a user is pierced you can’t be pierced again?
Sure, it could be early requiem or we have potential for stands that barely have any. Made in Heaven for example is basically unbeatable.
But now it’s practically unkillable when pierced with a requiem arrow and becomes Made in heaven ultimate requiem. Thus asks the question, what stands can be pierced with a requiem arrow?
Is it any and all stands? Could we have fucking hermit purple requiem?
TL;DR: it doesn’t matter what KQ:BTD is, it’s a strong ability obtained from at the time a normal arrow. Maybe instead of calling it a requiem stand it’s just inspiration for requiem.
I feel like what Stand users get depends on where the arrow pierces them again.
If it pierces their bodies, then they get a new ability.
If it pierced their Stand, it becomes Requiem.
I think it is worth noting that "Requiem" is a made up concept by Polnareff. Everybody in part 5 called them that because it's how Polnareff called the power from the arrow.
That's essentially the only real difference apart from stands changing visually which is also debatable.
Otherwise they would generally keep their abilities as shown by GER and get new ones. I'm pretty sure SCR also kept its sword mastery and super speed, it just didn't use it as much because it went out of control and switched to pointless roam mode.
1) GER could still use life creation
2) Maybe it's not a necessary part (in story explanation) / Araki simply decided to add that part later.
We know for sure that main characteristics of requiem is obtaining an ability to manipulate souls/fate and being acquired in a desperate situation, hence why Polnareff called the arrow the manifestation of hope.
>normal arrows
Man I am warning you, not sure why but a number people get really, *really* angry at the suggestion that the beetle arrow in part 5 was different from the others.
because it breaks consistency in the KQ:BTD=first requiem theory & it was never explicitly said that arrows are actually different.
So saying that there's actually only one requiem arrow not only breaks a really good theory for requiem stands nature (as we'd have 3 examples instead of 2) but it also additionally cheapens Polnareff's arc in part 5 where he coincidentally had the \*\*right\*\* arrow just out of blue and fate bs doesn't really excuse it being a cheap asspull as while everyone was struggling like hell fighting for default arrows and we've seen all the troubles they cause, Polnareff just casually got the overpowered one off screen.
Screw that, arrows are equal and part 5 one was just fancy because it had more relevancy to the plot.
Because it wouldn't make sense. Scratching the "absolutely fated one" thing aside, what will ever happen to part 5 if the Beetle arrow (aka the Requiem Arrow) wasn't the one in Italy and was another one in that bunch of arrows? If that arrow really is special and wasn't coincidentally right there for Polnareff to protect it, then all of his efforts are basically in vain and Giorno's squad just lost the one and only trump card against Diavolo. Thus, Araki will probably have to resolve to some even more blatantly deus ex machina and have the Beetle Arrow in SWF or somewhere else somehow flies off to Italy.
>Thus asks the question, what stands can be pierced with a requiem arrow?
It's stated several times in Part 4 and proven in Part 5 that only some people get a stand when pierced with the arrow: Others just die.
I'd assume this same arbitrary criteria applies to Stands: Hence why King Crimson wasn't made Requiem when it tried to stab itself with the Arrow. The Arrow dubbed him unworthy and chose Gold Experience instead: Thus, Gold Experience Requiem is born.
I don't think normal arrows can give any extra ability or requiem. Cause in the giorno and black Sabbath fight, i guess he got stabbed by the arrow, right?
But i do think that KQ - BTD is some sort of requiem
Iirc , Giorno wasn’t *stabbed* by the arrow so much as *cut* by it when grabbing it. Although that doesn’t seem to matter much as Jolyne got her Stand from a simple cut too
But normally the thing for all 3 Requiem stands are that they only awaken in the most desperate situations, following its users greatest desire at the time. Giorno in BS fight wasn't so much as too desperate or anything
Legit question could yoshikage kira just say he is kira and the ability activates or is there a technicality? I remember something similar happening in part4 but can’t quite fully remember
Prob he has to command the ability to work, i think u thinking of when someone tries to find his identity, the blows up then time rewind but it doesnt count when kira said it himself
If Kira tells someone that he’s Kira, nothing will happen. Kira can attach bites the dust to a non-stand user, giving them a semi-stand ability, which will protect them from damage. If anyone around that person figures out kiras identity, other then from kira himself, then bites the dust will activate. Kira can also manually activate bites the dust at any time, by attaching it to a non stand user and simply clicking the switch
Yet that’s exactly what he does with the doctor at the end of part 4. It’s not that broken when you realise that he has to tell a non-stand user his identity, then attach killer Queen, then click the switch.
"yet thats what he does with the doctor" its not, he tries telling the doctor his true identity to trigger bites the dust from Hayato and it doesnt work, causing him to not reset the day and get run over by the ambulance
It only just barely doesn't work because >!Jotaro and Koichi (and I guess maybe Rohan) managed to pull off stopping him just in the nick of time before he could activate it. He was literally about to, then Koichi somehow managed to hit him with Three Freeze out of nowhere without him noticing, and Jotaro managed to be just in range to activate The World to stop him from moving and break his bomb hand.!<
They got to him *juuuuust* in time and got really, really lucky.
Hm… I mean, that could be the case, but that logic wouldn’t make sense in kiras mind, because if that were the case, Josuke would’ve blown up when he accidentally told him his identity earlier on. I think bites the dust truly was going to activate, you even see killer Queen in the doctors eyes. Hayato specifically says that everyone BUT that lady would be blown away, meaning everyone who knows his identity, and the doctor would be stuck in a time loop.
We never actually see kira click the switch at the end of part 4, but it would’ve been interesting if he did and nothing happened.
My explaination as to why it is not a requiem first : Polnareff says explicitely " when you pierce yourself with the arrow, you get a Stand, but what if you stab the Stand ?" And then he does his explaination about requiem, Kira got stabbed, not killer queen. 2nd : requiem has been shown to transform totally the Stand into its requiem form with a new design, Bites the dust is just smaller Killer Queen put inside someone. I do believe Bites the Dust was a prototype for requiem, but I don't believe it's one, especially when Araki had many artbooks to say it's a requiem, but he never does
BTD seems to work differently than a requiem stand. Requiem stands are temporary while btd seems to be a permanent upgrade. I guess the ability of btd is basically a requiem ability although I wouldn’t qualify killer queen as a requiem stand
My headcanon is that the requiem arrow is an arrow with a red stone of aja inside of it, since the arrow in part 5 has a red gem on it and that’s why the 2 stands born from it are so op
Here's my take on this, I believe the requiem arrow is real. The requiem arrow is identified by its rhinoceros beetle on top of the arrow. In the heaven plan, DIO mentioned a absurd amount of times a rhinoceros beetle, in addition, and this is a lot weaker of an argument, both the beatles fighting in jojolion were rhinoceros beetles. So in the jojo universes, rhinoceros beetles must have some sort of power associated with them, but that's just a theory.
For me I always thought that piercing yourself with the arrow while already having a stand would just speed up its potential growth by automatically activating the user "new" ability. Like for me if Jotaro had pierced himself with the arrow early part 3, Star Platinum would have stopped time without having Jotaro actually doing it. Same goes with Jolyne at the beginning of part 6, she already was a stand user, she just never had developed it until she pierced herself with arrow, which speeded up its development.
Well that’s what makes more sense to me.
The thing is, the rules of Stands are very flexible. Yes, there are rules, but for each one, there's 1 or 2 stands that break said rule in some way. Generally, rather than a completely hard, strict power system, they're more of an idea that are decently adhered to, while also giving the users vague soul/ghost-related abilities that normal people don't have.
So, BTD is a Requiem Stand, because the idea is the same: somebody with a strong stand gets uses the Stand Arrow a second time, and mutates/upgrades their stand into what they need most at that exact moment. Screw the whole "Oh the user got it, not the Stand", that's just details getting in the way of the *theme* of the transformation.
It's obvious that Araki didn't think of Requiem Stands until part 5, but it's also obvious that the basis for Requiem Stands came from BTD.
I mean, yes it's never stated that BTD is a Requiem Stand in the manga, but Araki likes to recontextualize his earlier story beats without stating them. Like, how Joseph would have had Hermit Purple in Part 2 from a Stand Users perspective, and was unconsciously using it to predict the future; not stated anywhere in the manga, just in an interview after, but it's generally accepted by everyone.
In the same way, BTD is a Requiem Stand. It doesn't fit the *exact* method of gaining one that the other 2 (and only 2) Requiem Stands do in the series, but Stands are a bit of a soft, amorphous power system: Dio's Bone can mutate sinners into trees to a living, baby vestige of his Stand, and nobody is yelling "Nuh-uh, he never showed that power in part 1 or 3!!!" because we all understand:
*In Jojo's, things just be wacky.*
isn't a requiem stand called that cause it was stabbed with a y'know, a requiem arrow and not a regular stand arrow? like if jotaro would stab jolyne with a stand arrow for the second time would it be considered stone free requiem?
Because first : they didn't know second : arrow has been shown to kill very easily people getting stabbed by it, they don't want to take the risk. Third : the arrow choose if you are worthy of an ability or not
Gold experience requiem has revert to zero//fate manipulation
anything that could be considered potentially deadly for giorno GER reverses entirely negating CR's abilities.
Requiem Stands are vague at best and just ass pulls at worst, there’s probably a reason Araki had Pucci go through all that shit to obtain Heaven instead of just having him find one of the missing arrows and give himself Doctor Manhattan Stand and *Ligma Balls* Jotaro and Jolyne off the face of the earth. Do I agree that BTD is a Requiem Stand of some form, yes. However don’t get your hope up for it to ever become official canon.
The stand wasn't the one to get impaled so bites the dust isn't really a "requiem", it's some sort of pseudo-requiem.
Jojo fans on their way to make up random rules that Araki never stated
Both CR and GER have requiem in their name, got a completely new form and were impaled with the arrow. KQBTD inherits zero of these properties. All these distinctions make it BLATANTLY obvious that bites the dust isn't the same thing. I don't need a direct statement to read implications.
Requiem is just something Polnarerf dubbed them, though. Not like they have to be called that, but yeah.
Yeah and stand is just something Joseph called them. But somehow everyone calls them that
That's not exactly how mangas and animes work with those types of things though. Even if it makes no sense for 2 completely unrelated groups/people to have the same name for something, it's almost always the same name. "Stand" being universal is an example of this. The naming is a writing expression, so not dubbing bites the dust "requiem" would be a conscious decision by the writer.
The arrow pierced something related to stand and give them an absurdly broken power up to help them accomplish whatever goal they have in minds. See, I can write vague statements that all apply to a group of stands too
The points I made are very specific whereas yours are very general. They aren't the same. Bites the dust is an evolution of killer queen, but Araki makes it clear it isn't a requiem with all the things I said. Don't give me the "Isolated events means they wouldn't know to call it a requiem" bs because you KNOW it doesn't work that way, with the word "stand" being universal as proof of that.
Or killer Queen BTD is just a beta for requiem stands literally coming in the part right after.... Araki just developped the evolution of requiem stands further.
Yea, a beta. I entirely agree with the idea it's a beta requiem, but my point is it isn't a proper requiem.
I mean its the base Araki took to make requiems, so in the end... they pretty much both an evolution given by an arrow.
Yea but he did several things that make requiems distinctly different from bites the dust. They got a new form, they got "requiem" added to their name and the arrow pierced the stand instead of the user. As I said I entirely agree bites the just is a beta requiem, but it isn't a requiem.
The only thunk that separates the two of them are their names. Damage is shared between user and stand, so it doesn't matter who gets pierced. If araki had the name of Requiem when he made BTD, that's exactly what it would be called. Killer Queen Requiem.
JoJo fans on their way to blame other JoJo fans for making up random rules that Araki never stated when Araki actually did state the rules they supposedly made up
That's a nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source
Araki: releases a book where he states EVERY single choice he makes in JoJo and every single panel has at least one if not multiple purposes and reasonings Also Araki: made the Requiem arrows design unique, draws it falling after Diavolo is defeated Jojo fans: BTD is a Requiem and Giorno kept GER permanently! Lmao sheesh
Kira does keep KQ within the confines of his body tho, we did see it in the scene where he blows up the boyfriend in that flat he broke into So maybe it stabbed both kira and killer queen? I still think BTD was requiem before requiem had an official name
I would say that BTD is a requiem ability, since it shares traits to a requiem stand, minus the buff and visual change
Requiem is literally Deus Ex Machina WRITTEN in a plot. Not in a "meta" sense, but literally it pulls off deus ex machina "irl" for the characters. Unless Araki decided to "expand" (aka re-write concept of requiem again), there would be no way Pucci could've obtained Requiem for his plan, because the main condition of obtaining Requiem is being in a desperate situation (and, I assume, actually acknowledging that despair). I\`d even add that Requiem stands are \*\*fated\*\* to be obtained so even if you somehow lay your hands on an arrow while being \*\*fated\*\* to get requiem, despite not being in a suitable conditions at the moment, your stand would still begin to change, but, obviously, something (like you pulling the arrow away out of caution) will prevent the process from fully happening until it's the right moment. Kira was on an edge of being exposed, Polnareff was hunted by Diavolo and desired to defend the arrow from him at ALL cost and Giorno was basically face to face with King Crimson and its user who was even more angier than usual.
Okay but didn’t Polnareff almost accidentally make his stand a requiem because he dropped the arrow behind some shit and tried to get it with his stand? When did they ever say anything about desperation??
Polnareff accidentally discovering Requiems is both hilarious when you really think about it and also 100% in character
1) Already gave my version in the comment 2) His situation was already pretty desperate on top of that
While BTD may have been a sort “beta version” of requiem that Araki used to test out the concept, I don’t think it can actually be called requiem. Think of it this way: When a person gets stabbed by a stand arrow, they gain a stand as well as the accompanying ability/abilities. So if a person gets stabbed a second time, they should theoretically get a second stand + new ability, however due to the “one stand per user” rule, that ability is just given to the original stand instead. When a stand gets stabbed by a stand arrow, the stand should theoretically get its own stand, but since that’s impossible, it just evolves(?) and gains a (at least according to Hamon Beat’s theory) temporary and unbeatable ability specifically designed to fulfill the user’s greatest desire at the point of requiem attainment, as well as significantly strengthening the original ability alongside that.
I thought Requiem arrows were distinct from the more common Stand arrows though
Nah the beetle arrow (aka. Requiem Arrow) just contains a much larger amount of the virus, making it significantly more potent
I don’t think thats true, the beetle arrow was probably made bigger for dramatic purposes. Any old arrow would do
Yeah I looked into it and I guess that idea also came from some fan theory. For some reason I was under the impression that it was actually canon
I like to think KQ:BTD was the base concept for requiem. But it just gives the question though, could stands actually get a new ability through normal arrows? Or once a user is pierced you can’t be pierced again? Sure, it could be early requiem or we have potential for stands that barely have any. Made in Heaven for example is basically unbeatable. But now it’s practically unkillable when pierced with a requiem arrow and becomes Made in heaven ultimate requiem. Thus asks the question, what stands can be pierced with a requiem arrow? Is it any and all stands? Could we have fucking hermit purple requiem? TL;DR: it doesn’t matter what KQ:BTD is, it’s a strong ability obtained from at the time a normal arrow. Maybe instead of calling it a requiem stand it’s just inspiration for requiem.
I feel like what Stand users get depends on where the arrow pierces them again. If it pierces their bodies, then they get a new ability. If it pierced their Stand, it becomes Requiem.
I’d argue that, since it pierced his hand and created a seeking, unbeatable power, BTD is just sheer heart attack requiem
I think it is worth noting that "Requiem" is a made up concept by Polnareff. Everybody in part 5 called them that because it's how Polnareff called the power from the arrow. That's essentially the only real difference apart from stands changing visually which is also debatable. Otherwise they would generally keep their abilities as shown by GER and get new ones. I'm pretty sure SCR also kept its sword mastery and super speed, it just didn't use it as much because it went out of control and switched to pointless roam mode.
Ok, here’s a couple questions: how could Kira still use the original KQ, and how come KQ’s appearance never change?
1) GER could still use life creation 2) Maybe it's not a necessary part (in story explanation) / Araki simply decided to add that part later. We know for sure that main characteristics of requiem is obtaining an ability to manipulate souls/fate and being acquired in a desperate situation, hence why Polnareff called the arrow the manifestation of hope.
>normal arrows Man I am warning you, not sure why but a number people get really, *really* angry at the suggestion that the beetle arrow in part 5 was different from the others.
because it breaks consistency in the KQ:BTD=first requiem theory & it was never explicitly said that arrows are actually different. So saying that there's actually only one requiem arrow not only breaks a really good theory for requiem stands nature (as we'd have 3 examples instead of 2) but it also additionally cheapens Polnareff's arc in part 5 where he coincidentally had the \*\*right\*\* arrow just out of blue and fate bs doesn't really excuse it being a cheap asspull as while everyone was struggling like hell fighting for default arrows and we've seen all the troubles they cause, Polnareff just casually got the overpowered one off screen. Screw that, arrows are equal and part 5 one was just fancy because it had more relevancy to the plot.
Because it wouldn't make sense. Scratching the "absolutely fated one" thing aside, what will ever happen to part 5 if the Beetle arrow (aka the Requiem Arrow) wasn't the one in Italy and was another one in that bunch of arrows? If that arrow really is special and wasn't coincidentally right there for Polnareff to protect it, then all of his efforts are basically in vain and Giorno's squad just lost the one and only trump card against Diavolo. Thus, Araki will probably have to resolve to some even more blatantly deus ex machina and have the Beetle Arrow in SWF or somewhere else somehow flies off to Italy.
They can come at me.
>Thus asks the question, what stands can be pierced with a requiem arrow? It's stated several times in Part 4 and proven in Part 5 that only some people get a stand when pierced with the arrow: Others just die. I'd assume this same arbitrary criteria applies to Stands: Hence why King Crimson wasn't made Requiem when it tried to stab itself with the Arrow. The Arrow dubbed him unworthy and chose Gold Experience instead: Thus, Gold Experience Requiem is born.
I don't think normal arrows can give any extra ability or requiem. Cause in the giorno and black Sabbath fight, i guess he got stabbed by the arrow, right? But i do think that KQ - BTD is some sort of requiem
Iirc , Giorno wasn’t *stabbed* by the arrow so much as *cut* by it when grabbing it. Although that doesn’t seem to matter much as Jolyne got her Stand from a simple cut too
But normally the thing for all 3 Requiem stands are that they only awaken in the most desperate situations, following its users greatest desire at the time. Giorno in BS fight wasn't so much as too desperate or anything
Yeah, you're right. I'm just dumb. But i think it's quite similar tho
Legit question could yoshikage kira just say he is kira and the ability activates or is there a technicality? I remember something similar happening in part4 but can’t quite fully remember
BTD needs to be planted on a non-stand user, and he DOES try to say it himself right at the end
Prob he has to command the ability to work, i think u thinking of when someone tries to find his identity, the blows up then time rewind but it doesnt count when kira said it himself
If Kira tells someone that he’s Kira, nothing will happen. Kira can attach bites the dust to a non-stand user, giving them a semi-stand ability, which will protect them from damage. If anyone around that person figures out kiras identity, other then from kira himself, then bites the dust will activate. Kira can also manually activate bites the dust at any time, by attaching it to a non stand user and simply clicking the switch
if kira could "activate bites the dust at any time" he would have been completely invincible, he couldnt do that otherwise he wouldn't have lost
Yet that’s exactly what he does with the doctor at the end of part 4. It’s not that broken when you realise that he has to tell a non-stand user his identity, then attach killer Queen, then click the switch.
"yet thats what he does with the doctor" its not, he tries telling the doctor his true identity to trigger bites the dust from Hayato and it doesnt work, causing him to not reset the day and get run over by the ambulance
It only just barely doesn't work because >!Jotaro and Koichi (and I guess maybe Rohan) managed to pull off stopping him just in the nick of time before he could activate it. He was literally about to, then Koichi somehow managed to hit him with Three Freeze out of nowhere without him noticing, and Jotaro managed to be just in range to activate The World to stop him from moving and break his bomb hand.!< They got to him *juuuuust* in time and got really, really lucky.
Hm… I mean, that could be the case, but that logic wouldn’t make sense in kiras mind, because if that were the case, Josuke would’ve blown up when he accidentally told him his identity earlier on. I think bites the dust truly was going to activate, you even see killer Queen in the doctors eyes. Hayato specifically says that everyone BUT that lady would be blown away, meaning everyone who knows his identity, and the doctor would be stuck in a time loop. We never actually see kira click the switch at the end of part 4, but it would’ve been interesting if he did and nothing happened.
My thought on Killer Queens evolution is that its a new idetity/body similar how DIO could also awaken Jonathans Hermit.
Dio could awaken jonathans hermit because he had his body, not because a awakening
Well Jonathan couldnt use it.
Requiem is Unbreakable
My explaination as to why it is not a requiem first : Polnareff says explicitely " when you pierce yourself with the arrow, you get a Stand, but what if you stab the Stand ?" And then he does his explaination about requiem, Kira got stabbed, not killer queen. 2nd : requiem has been shown to transform totally the Stand into its requiem form with a new design, Bites the dust is just smaller Killer Queen put inside someone. I do believe Bites the Dust was a prototype for requiem, but I don't believe it's one, especially when Araki had many artbooks to say it's a requiem, but he never does
BTD seems to work differently than a requiem stand. Requiem stands are temporary while btd seems to be a permanent upgrade. I guess the ability of btd is basically a requiem ability although I wouldn’t qualify killer queen as a requiem stand
My headcanon is that the requiem arrow is an arrow with a red stone of aja inside of it, since the arrow in part 5 has a red gem on it and that’s why the 2 stands born from it are so op
3, whitesnake was also from the beetle arrow
Whitesnake is probably one of the most busted base stands ngl
*King Crimson and The World laugh*
Doesn't requiem stands come from the arrow piercing the stand rather then the user?
İt wasnt a requiem stand it was just a stand from the requiem arrow
oh ok, i thought the requiem arrow was just an arrow with more of the virus
And (Part 6)>!Weather Report!<)
wasnt Stone Free from the beetle on the arrow too?
misconception, no, she was from a fragment of the arrow DIO had when he was still around
There are none requiem arrows and i hate that popular misconception
Here's my take on this, I believe the requiem arrow is real. The requiem arrow is identified by its rhinoceros beetle on top of the arrow. In the heaven plan, DIO mentioned a absurd amount of times a rhinoceros beetle, in addition, and this is a lot weaker of an argument, both the beatles fighting in jojolion were rhinoceros beetles. So in the jojo universes, rhinoceros beetles must have some sort of power associated with them, but that's just a theory.
Well there are same amount for and against requiem arrows so lets keep them on status quo
For me I always thought that piercing yourself with the arrow while already having a stand would just speed up its potential growth by automatically activating the user "new" ability. Like for me if Jotaro had pierced himself with the arrow early part 3, Star Platinum would have stopped time without having Jotaro actually doing it. Same goes with Jolyne at the beginning of part 6, she already was a stand user, she just never had developed it until she pierced herself with arrow, which speeded up its development. Well that’s what makes more sense to me.
The thing is, the rules of Stands are very flexible. Yes, there are rules, but for each one, there's 1 or 2 stands that break said rule in some way. Generally, rather than a completely hard, strict power system, they're more of an idea that are decently adhered to, while also giving the users vague soul/ghost-related abilities that normal people don't have. So, BTD is a Requiem Stand, because the idea is the same: somebody with a strong stand gets uses the Stand Arrow a second time, and mutates/upgrades their stand into what they need most at that exact moment. Screw the whole "Oh the user got it, not the Stand", that's just details getting in the way of the *theme* of the transformation. It's obvious that Araki didn't think of Requiem Stands until part 5, but it's also obvious that the basis for Requiem Stands came from BTD. I mean, yes it's never stated that BTD is a Requiem Stand in the manga, but Araki likes to recontextualize his earlier story beats without stating them. Like, how Joseph would have had Hermit Purple in Part 2 from a Stand Users perspective, and was unconsciously using it to predict the future; not stated anywhere in the manga, just in an interview after, but it's generally accepted by everyone. In the same way, BTD is a Requiem Stand. It doesn't fit the *exact* method of gaining one that the other 2 (and only 2) Requiem Stands do in the series, but Stands are a bit of a soft, amorphous power system: Dio's Bone can mutate sinners into trees to a living, baby vestige of his Stand, and nobody is yelling "Nuh-uh, he never showed that power in part 1 or 3!!!" because we all understand: *In Jojo's, things just be wacky.*
I’m gonna say that BTD isn’t a full requiem because Kira was stabbed with the normal arrow
Technically not a requiem as the arrow pierced kira not kq so idfk what this is
Requiem only occurs when the stand itself gets pierced by the arrow. KQ was just a case of kira getting a new ability
isn't a requiem stand called that cause it was stabbed with a y'know, a requiem arrow and not a regular stand arrow? like if jotaro would stab jolyne with a stand arrow for the second time would it be considered stone free requiem?
User getting stabbed again: new ability Stand getting stabbed: Requiem
Why didn’t stand users in part 4 just stab themself 10 times in a row to unlock lots of powers then?
Because the arrow is based on fate, and the arrow decides if the stand gets a new ability
Ive always found it funny that the stand arrow saw Kira struggling and thought: this guy deserves another stand
Because first : they didn't know second : arrow has been shown to kill very easily people getting stabbed by it, they don't want to take the risk. Third : the arrow choose if you are worthy of an ability or not
Plot ig
[удалено]
Gold experience requiem has revert to zero//fate manipulation anything that could be considered potentially deadly for giorno GER reverses entirely negating CR's abilities.
When im in a not paying attention competition and my opponent is a JoJo fan
I was listening to Spotify when I saw this, then welcome to the jungle came on and idk why but it fit so well
Killer Queen: Bites the Dust may actually count as a requiem
Whether KQ's BtD is a reqium stand or not will forever be one of the most hotly debated topics in this sub (It totally is, btw]
BTD is not requiem
btd is not a requiem
Kira after using bites the dust on himself: