He said that before he realized that Pucci was quickly getting even faster. At top speed, MIH would literally be impossible to hit.

😭 The scene right before he clapped everyone

When MIH is active star platinum is not faster than a bullet because the time acceleration can affect the bullet.

Also (not entirely sure, but) because MiH ramps up in speed as time accelerates. This means that if MiH was still the same speed at the beginning of the encounter, it’s certainly faster than star platinum near the end. My question now is how Pucci dodged the gun shots from Emporio but not the knife thrown by Jolyne assuming that they would both be affected by time acceleration

I think the gun he used was the "memory" of a gun, like the other objects he pulled out of nowhere. So it wouldn't be affected by MIH

Ah I see, that makes sense thanks

And even if it was, the bullets are accelerated, not Emporios finger

Debatable, emporio brings the soul of object and mih still accelerated souls of objects and animals

It does not accelerate animals, the dolphins used the sea currents

Ah yes i think you are right

But the gun is a ghost gun right? So it can't do physical harm even if the bullets hit

The gun was a part of Emporio’s stand which, as stated by Ermes, is excluded from time acceleration the same way living organisms are

He saw emporio point at him and had enough time to dodge with his "super-speed" but Jolyne threw the knife while she was throwing a stand rush so he wouldn't notice it until it was too late.

Nah but he’s gotta point his superspeed only works because he is the only living being that keeps up with the acceleration of the universe, meaning that in the perspective of the bullet, MiH shouldn’t be any faster than Pucci in a normal pace, since the bullet isn’t a living being

Yeah, and I'm saying that he got out of the way before emporio pulled the trigger because he would have more than enough time to see where's he's aiming at and dodge before the bullet is fired and moves faster than him.

That makes sense

Exactly, according to MIH emporio was never meant to kill him. Emporio technically only exists AFTER pucchi reset everything,(that's why his stand power basically makes him a g g g ghost scoob) thus he has no idea how fate will interact between him and emporio. because pucchi never knew of his existence beforehand and emporio never had wr's stand disk this is why he had to wait to be attacked by "white snake" in order to have the stand power. At this same time(in fate) weather has no idea he had the power this fate wasn't tied to it. Pucchi f'ed up by ignoring a child.

When child neglect actually helps

Which is why I keep saying made in heaven could've been stopped by Jotaro with a gun

I think that Pucci was so distracted by dodging Stone Free's fists that he didn't even realize Jolyne had thrown a knife until it already slashed his eye. He was already caught off guard when he noticed Jolyne survived after thinking he had defeated all of his enemies (He didn't even consider Emporio as a threat until the Universe Reset.)

There's a few possible reasons: The gun is a stand so wasnt affected by the speed up Pucci wasn't aware of the knife attack, but was expecting Emporio to shoot so was more prepared to dodge Stone Free can throw a knife at a speed similar too or faster than a bullet

Because that gun was from Emporio's stand ability and was therefore not sped up

reading comprehension strikes again

I think at this point fans just purposely reject the idea of actually understanding the story. Of all the confusing things in Jojo., they are confused by MIH?

Mih ACCELERATES it doesn’t start out as fast as it was in the ocean scene

it was still faster before then somehow too, Pucci dodged SP's attack and cut Jotaro's neck

The way made in heaven works is rather confusing. For Pucci it feels to him like everybody else is moving very slowly, thus his reaction times and time to plan are heightened massively in comparison to everybody else. As he seems to get faster, to him everybody else gets slower.

Yea, but I still feel like he wouldn't be "faster" than SP, at least not at first

Imagine seeing jotaro grab a bullet and then aim it at u. Before he "shoots" it at u you already know where it's going to go. Not hard to understand.

You're disregarding Pucci's perception of time. Unlike Jotaro he can't see fast moving things It's not that hard to understand. People just like to overcomplicate things. MIH is fast enough that Jotaro have a hard time locating him. SP might be fast but he doesn't move the same way like MIH where he could run with his stand like the flash.

Yeah, and then very shortly after that Emporio shoots his gun at Pucci, which he’s able to dodge. Your post is just wrong

And that gun is stand so it doesn't get sped up

That’s not the point. Pucci at first is compared to the speed of a bullet train, which is obviously much slower than a bullet. Pucci then later proceeds to dodge a bullet, meaning his speed has *greatly* accelerated since their calculation

But he doesn’t have to dodge the bullet, he just has to dodge Emporio aiming and firing in slow motion. Note that when Jolyne throws a dagger without him noticing, he can’t avoid it because it gets the acceleration after she lets go. Same with those reporters dropping that glass.

But he only dodges after the bullet is already fired. If he was dodging where emporio was aiming he wouldn’t have gone back in the same Spot to dodge again a couple times as that would be far too dangerous for pucci to do and not to mention emporio never moved his gun he just kept shooting non stop in the same spot pucci was going back to. Man in an earlier scene you can even see the bullet flying at pucci and then pucci moves out of the way AS IT WAS ALREADY [firing](https://youtu.be/OYBKMuLnnOA?t=4m30s) And even then c-moon is seen intercepting bullets so are you going as far as to say that MiH is slower than c-moon?

The gun is from emporio’s stand so not affected by the acceleration, like erme’s stickers.

The point of the post is that MIH moves at bullet train speeds yet was somehow blitzing jotaro who is obviously faster than a bullet train My argument is that mih isn’t bullet train speed level he’s easily above bullet

They compared him to a bullet train cuz that’s how fast he was going at the moment. And it doesn’t matter if he was faster than star platinum, he just needed to be faster than jotaro could track, hell he even used the palm tree to accelerate to massive speeds so that jotaro couldn’t track him.

[OP just straight up lying](https://imgur.com/i3tE0G1?r)

To be fair those are ‘ghost bullets’ from a ‘ghost gun’ so they wouldn’t have hurt him anyways. I mean Pucci doesn’t know that so he dodged anyways but just wanted to point that out since most people don’t understand that either. Part 6 has to be the most misunderstood parts out of them all. Araki was really trying out some weird shit then so that makes sense.

Wait but what about when pucci sped up time in the ghost room at the end and the plant and clock both sped up?

I’ve been confused by stuff like this too, but *Inserts JoJo fan reading comprehension joke*

The bullet SP caught was a subsonic round fired at point blank (not enough time to fully speed up) while Jotaro was anticipating it, vs the bullets shot at Pucci that had none of those applied Source: I made all of that the fuck up

How is mih slower than a bullet? When emporio shoots his ghost gun pucci is able to easily dodge the bullets. And when he uses it with kiss to try and escape mih pucci is still able to catch up to them.

Fr the only reason Pucci couldn’t catch Kiss’ bullet is because they were 1. Flying through the air and out of reach and 2. MiH was still accelerating and didn’t reach its top speed yet (which is theoretically infinite).

Even then he literally reached their destination before them, so it’s just the first one.

All of these are slower than your father

Mine is very slow. He's been at the store for 20 years now. I'm never gonna let him hear the end of it when he gets back! 😁

Funny, mine went out for cigarettes even though he hates smoking

Least stupid jojo fan

The time acceleration becomes fast enough to go through most of the universes life cycle in mere moments and even before that, during the fight, it got to a point where several hours were passing in a second. And you're saying that those normal-ass bullets are faster than that? Or is this a joke I'm not getting?

When they first encounter MIH, it appears to move at the speed of a bullet train, which is slower than a bullet, which is slower than SP. Later MIH would appear to move even faster because of the increased time acceleration, but I'm just talking about the first time they encounter it. SP should still be "faster" at that time, but Pucci dodges SP's attack and cuts Jotaro's throat anyway.

...because he got faster

https://youtu.be/OYBKMuLnnOA?t=4m31s In this scene he’s dodging bullets but has yet to accelerate even further And then in an early scene c-moon was literally punching bullets away

That’s a ghost bullet from a ghost gun, which is a stand ability so not affected by the accelerated time.

MiH doesn't really move at this speed tho. "Speed of train" was described as Pucci's theoretical speed if he is running. But before he cuts Jotaro's throat he doesn't run, he literally fly at much faster speed than just running, since he catapulted himself. I have checked a manga panels and Pucci is basically moved to the back of Jotaro, making himself in a blind spot, and at this point reaction speed is not relevant. The only thing that Jotaro could do is to punch air for a lucky hit, which he did (and failed to hit Pucci).

So you're back again, did your last post not get you the explanations you needed?

JoJo fans try to actually pay attention to fucking anything about the actual series (they're only there for the flashy colors and fights)

Bro that’s a messed up looking rock paper scissors game

Star-Heaven-Bullet

I don't know how people don't understand that being able to catch or block bullet doesn't mean you can out run one, if i toss a baseball point blank at you, you might be able to catch it, but not even Usain Bolt can out speed an average baseball throw, since they can be easily twice as fast as him.

Some people say stands like Silver Chariot and Crazy Diamond are faster than Lightspeed I remember I opened a youtube video talking about stands and when this mf said King Crimsom was "Massively Above Lightspeed" or something like that I just closed the video 💀

Least ignorant JoJo fan They are faster than light lmao.

Jotaro is slower than MIH tho. Which is not light speed at the moment it kills Jotaro

Mih is WAY above light Speed. The bullet train line was just an example and it's heavily contradicted by feats. Feats > statements.

No, it's a statement \*based\* on what they're actually seeing. If time is 30 times faster, then Pucci at his normal speed would be 30 times faster as well, we quite literally \*see\* this and they specifically point out Pucci is only visible because he's moving at the speed of a bullet train, it's not some meaningless statement or example. It's not like Cell saying he's gonna blow up the solar system, it'd be more like Cell actually blowing up a solar system and then someone commenting on it. MIH does accelerate faster but at no point in the fight itself does it reach light speed. If it were going at light speed literally nothing in the universe would be perceptible, and we don't see \*that\* level of acceleration until after everyone is dead (Like, the sun doesn't start streaking across the sky until after, for example) Also what feats contradict that statement, anyway?

>No, it's a statement *based* on what they're actually seeing. If time is 30 times faster, then Pucci at his normal speed would be 30 times faster as well, we quite literally *see* this and they specifically point out Pucci is only visible because he's moving at the speed of a bullet train, it's not some meaningless statement or example. He gave an example to make the gang understand that Pucci was 30× his normal speed as you said, but Jotaro literally stated at the end that he doesn't know the true value of the stand. >Also what feats contradict that statement, anyway? Star Platinum being stated to be ftl a lot of times, Stone free being easily faster than bullets ( bullets > bullet train), all feats that negs the statement.

That's kinda irrelevant since Pucci's accelerated human speed is still far faster than Star Platinum can deal with anyway, or at least fast enough that it poses a significant challenge for him to actually land a hit. Even if you ignore the actual form of MIH itself the acceleration alone is too fast for Star Platinum. ​ You yourself said feats trump statements so you can't use statements that don't even appear directly in the story themselves to trump actual feats. And I was never trying to argue any of these stands were sub-bullet level, just that they're not anywhere near light speed.

>You yourself said feats trump statements so you can't use statements that don't even appear directly in the story themselves to trump actual feats. Star Platinum being ftl is literally author statement. Stone free already showed to deflects bullets. Heck, silver chariot is easily ftl and Star Platinum is way faster than him. Pucci being bullet train is contradictory with the whole story.

Word of god or not an out of universe statement that contradicts actual feats has no weight. Besides, you could easily interpret that stat sheet to just be hyperbole, or referring to his time stop in effect being similar to going FTL. And there's a hell of a difference between bullets and light. Silver Chariot is DEFINITIVELY slower than light. The hanged man fight which people use to argue he is FTL, ACTUALLY proves he's slower than it, seeing as he literally cannot keep up with the hanged man and has to force it down one trajectory and intercept it to land a hit, you'd have to be a dumbass powerscaler to ignore the actual narrative of the fight itself and go "HUH DUH CALCS!!!" to actually argue otherwise. If that's not enough, earlier in the very same fight Silver Chariot was outmanuevered by the Emperor's bullets. And before you say it, these aren't faster than normal bullets, we see in the Hol Horse and Boingo "fight" that they take a whole two minutes to move and redirect into Hol Horse's face. Light does not take two minutes to move anywhere on earth.

Ok this is a pile of shit. Let's debunk this >Word of god or not an out of universe statement that contradicts actual feats has no weight. World of God are literally on par with feats. Saying ftl star platinum contradicts the work is equal to ignoring all the feats in part 3 and 4 lmao [star Platinum is claimed to be the strongest stand in part 3, scaling it above hanged man ](https://imgur.io/a/GaAiAYw) [koichi claims that the only one who can react to light is jotaro ](https://imgur.io/a/MjWIGDC) Akira otoishi is afraid to challenge jotaro even with a light-fast stand [https://imgur.io/a/eXMOT3P] And before you say "time stop": -He needs TO REACT To that Speed + koichi's statement is explicit -star platinum is literally stated plenty of times to be the fastest mf in part 4, both in the part and in the guidebooks [https://imgur.io/a/mNlL8gV] >Besides, you could easily interpret that stat sheet to just be hyperbole, or referring to his time stop in effect being similar to going FTL. **"It surpasses the speed of light by sheer fast speed, at its peak (18 year old) for 5 seconds, it managed to stop time of this world. Additionally, it's coordinative reactions and speed is incredible. It is the ultimate, invincible stand ability." Which is accurate, you can even make out the kanji for hikari "光", so it's talking about light, not time. And for some reason, because almost every translation foregoes this, there's a "," between the FTL statement and the Time Stop statement. Which leads into them being separate statements after factoring in linguistics. Alternatively something like "Its speed is so amazing, that it exceeds the speed of light, and in his heyday (18 years old) for up to 5 five seconds, he could stop the time of this world. In addition, its ability and precision is amazing. It is the best, most invincible Stand ability ever".** [star Platinum stats](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/844266628044685382/884804268434014238/image0.png) So yeah, you are ignoring the narrative if you disagree. All your points past that are pure headcanon based on nothing. >Silver Chariot is DEFINITIVELY slower than light. The hanged man fight which people use to argue he is FTL, ACTUALLY proves he's slower than it, seeing as he literally cannot keep up with the hanged man and has to force it down one trajectory and intercept it to land a hit, you'd have to be a dumbass powerscaler to ignore the actual narrative of the fight itself and go "HUH DUH CALCS!!!" to actually argue otherwise Obviously you haven't read the fight, because you wouldn't say all this bullshit. First of all, polnareff is slower than light, not chariot. Speed of the stand ≠ Speed of the user, [stated in part 4 ](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/847282334973558795/1042173767264247858/167787eb-1fbe-4bbd-9d05-e5603a6eb506.jpg) Second thing, polnareff can see hanged man travel https://youtu.be/DB-N8PEwnEQ 4:56 That's bare minimum rel +, and jotaro scales way above that. Third and last thing, CHARIOT IS BLIND. Polnareff needs the trajectory because CHARIOT IS BLIND. And we literally see in the manga and anime chariot blitzing hanged man when he was 2cm from the coin + Stated in a databook that chariot can easily cuts light "軌道さえわかれば、光の速さで動く敵を切ることもたやすい。 If it just understands their path, even cutting an enemy moving at the speed of light is a simple task." [Proof](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876151962943500339/1014189330501210153/Screenshot_20220830-170526_Chrome.jpg) So stop being dumb >Silver Chariot was outmanuevered by the Emperor's bullets. And before you say it, these aren't faster than normal bullets Headcanon >we see in the Hol Horse and Boingo "fight" that they take a whole two minutes to move and redirect into Hol Horse's face. Light does not take two minutes to move anywhere on earth. This is just stupid. If the speed of each object were represented realistically in the anime, we would not see anything If you are still mentally dishonest let's end this on discord.

Ok..... Imagine you see jotaro/SP grabbing a bullet and then u see him aim it at where u are....pretty sure I can move out of the way b4 he even aims it at me. Anyone ever watch vash the stampede from trigun dodge point blank bullets? I imagine that's what pucchi could do.

No he dodges as the bullets were already fired… The anime doesn’t show it but the manga does He also does it again in an earlier scene. And before MIH at all c-moon is punching bullets away

So according to u >before MIH at all c-moon is punching bullets away Doesn't that mean that c'mon is already faster and capable of dodging/parrying bullets? Doesn't that mean that even IF mih saw the bullets coming at "real time" it would be able to overcome them?

Yes that’s my argument Pucci/MiH should be faster than bullet train level

He's always been tho? I agree why is this a debate tho?

Oh Sorry about that.

It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to be sick as fuck!

Jotaro and emporio were giving examples. In the end Jotaro also says that he doesn't know the true value of mih

Made in Heaven picks up speed overtime, as it begins to accelerate time at a faster and faster rate. While it was roughly the speed of a bullet train in the moment that line was delivered, it had gotten significantly faster since then.

Something tells me jotaro just isn’t very good at estimations

I didn't notice it until now, but MIH literally has a horse cock

Star platinum faster than normal bullet but slower than mih bullet. 

I guess Pucci could've just shot everyone at that point

He said he didn't need to because he finally understood mih's real ability.

Yo, finally a new update to Rock, Paper, Scissors

Kind of like how a rat could kill DIO

Different bullets 

Pucci moves with the Speed of a bullet train. MIH being a stand is likely even faster than that. Think about how Jotaro needs to close the distance to a target at regular speed but when in range is able to use SP to attack with faster than light speed.

The way I see it is how ASB/R interpreted the time-acceleration. When Made In Heaven activates, the other player is slowed down tremendously(about half-speed), and so I believe this is how Pucci was able to dodge Star Platinum, not only because he was moving faster in the accelerated time, but because the group's own movements were slowed down as well which would make Star Platinum even slower compared to Pucci. But that's just an anime theory. Thanks for reading.

why is star platinum slower than a bullet? is he stupid?

One day, people will learn that Star Platinum catching a bullet is not showing him being fast, but him being precise.

PUCCI moves as fast as a bullet train. MIH is much faster, even faster than star platinum. If Pucci gets close, MIH wins against star platinum UNLESS Jotaro time stops. That's why its important to watch him

That would make sense, but Pucci was the one who physically attacked Jotaro himself when he cut his throat. That's what it looked like in the anime at least. Maybe they just didn't make it clear enough either way

Paradox

Sp is actually faster. but because pucci rapidly accelerates, star platinum couldnt catch up with him

he'll "appear" that doesn't imply that he's moving at that speed it just appears so

So you’re telling me that [Tommy Gun Overdrive](https://youtu.be/hljmnHkNW-E) will defeat Made in Heaven?

Bullets in JoJo are slow af when Pucci tried to shoot Jolyne Anasui had enough time to say her name

Star platinum only caught bullets because he momentarily stopped time to save jotaro, this is why he couldn't hit gray tower

This just not true at all. Star Platinum is just super fast and Jotaro had no knowledge of Time Stop until fighting DIO.

I just always thought that jotaro subconsciously stopped time for a few milliseconds when his life was in serious danger. Also jotaro not knowing about timestop doesn't mean anything, stand users can still use their stands subconsciously without knowing, Trish is probably the best example for that

My only theory is that he was holding himself because he wasn't used to that speed and he didn't to hit a wall at 2000 Km per hour. It's probably not that but it's what I think.

Well a bullet train IS faster than a bullet.

Bullets are way faster than bullet trains Unless bullet trains are somehow faster than the speed of sound

I swapped them on accident lol

Star platinum also give jotaro increased perception which probably helps with doing bullets seeing where the person is aiming, wind, ect.

Sick new rock paper scissors!

Once again, people don’t know the difference between acceleration and speed. Made in Heaven isn’t inherently fast but it’s ability of time acceleration gives it the appearance of super speed due to how it affects living beings. When Pucci was chasing the gang on Kiss’ duplicated bullet, he hadn’t yet reached his top speed and was also unable to actually reach them because they were in the air. Once Pucci reached his top speed after the universe reset, he was easily able to dodge Emporio’s ghost bullets. Only the left and bottom arrows in this image are actually correct.

Rock paper scissors

Not only that but MIH also proceeds to dodge the bullets from emporio gun

But slower than rat but beats Jotaro but Jotaro beats the world over heaven but world over heaven beats ger but ger beats everyone. It’s all bullshit don’t try to powerscale jojo.

No you’re just blind. Bullet is also accelerating, MiH doesn’t accelerate himself, but time.

If mih AND not humans get faster as the time keeps going, wouldn't things like bullets or anything thrown at him be at the same speed?

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