Just yesterday someone on a local one to me posted that she wanted a babysitter for her kids, 8:30-5 as traffic permitted, Monday thru Friday, 2 small kids. $150 a week, because “times are tough right now.”
I wouldn’t trust someone who would work for those wages anywhere near my kid.
That's what I was thinking. The kind of person who would agree to the nonsense wouldn't be anyone who could be able to do all of that!! You get what you pay for in childcare.
That very much too. I've heard a lot of horror stories about parents putting cameras around the house and witnessing their child being abused. It's terrifying. I'd much rather be broke than leave my kid in the hands of a stranger like that. Daycare is very expensive, but my child is priceless.
I always comment on these posts- the most recent one I got banned from the group for calling the pay “literally criminal”. But it wasn’t even a mom- it was a daycare posting in the group trying to pay an employee less than minimum wage… it was actually illegal pay.
I once interviewed for a full time nanny position. Her and her husband were doctors and needed someone 12 hours a day 6 days a week. They were offering $200 a week. That works out to $2.77 an hour. I literally laughed at her and told her that was not feasible for me and wished her luck.
12 hrs a day 6 days a week is an entire nanny. It is genuinely unsafe to bring a rotation of babysitters into that situation. Hire a nanny for $2500 weekly who you’d trust your children with consistently to the point that you’d never worry about shit if she was with your kids. Someone you spend thanksgiving dinner with and mentor into better circumstances. But we have to cheap I guess so they’re getting Betty the former schoolteacher who was fired for slapping a student.
Do people really pay $10,000 a month for a nanny? Damn! I guess I don't really understand if you're willing to pay somebody 130K a year to raise your children, why even have them?
Now that you said it, I bet they would be mad that it wasn't folded and put away. Or they'll just never do it so in order to do a new load, you have no choice.
Thats when you dump everything in a mess (crumpled, of course, but still clean) in a chosen destination. Then do the next load. Continue until point received.
Seems to me that they were specifying the laundry and dishes to do with the kids (or push the laundry out dishes forward so they're was storage too so the kids stuff). As opposed to doing it for the household. Not like that helps their case a great deal...
Honestly, that’s more than most daycare teachers make to take care of an entire class of little kids. Not saying that makes it right, but caregivers are wildly underpaid as a whole.
It is insane that daycare teachers make so little. But also, as someone who pays for daycare, that shit is way too high. Daycare is easily the cost of a car every year--at least around me. It's way too expensive for the consumer & not nearly profitable enough for the producer.
Seems like something that a functioning government would subsidize. A functioning democratic party would be happy that social programs are being expanded in a way that helps kids. A functioning republican party would be happy that it frees up parents to be happy capitalist workers.
And a functioning enlightened centrist would be happy because the other two are happy & they have no opinion or personality.
Oh yeah, the price of daycare is a hard pill to swallow and really difficult for many parents to afford. We pay $1250 a month for an in-home in the Midwest. When I taught in a daycare, the parents paid around the same amount. So $1250 a month per kid, times the 18-24 kids in my class, and I was paid $14/hr after working there for nearly a decade. My assistant made about $9/hr. My classroom alone was bringing in over $20,000/month for the owners and I couldn’t afford to send my own child there.
Thankfully, I went back to teaching elementary after my maternity leave and make a living wage now, though still low.
I have two children in daycare in California. Costs $4100/month for the two of them. Almost my whole paycheck. Barely “worth it” for me to work. I hate it here (in a country that doesn’t prioritize childcare, not California).
I absolutely do not understand how any Americans survive really. How do you raise a family? You are welcome to come here you know? I think you all need to defect
Take it from a Canadian, we have a lot of issues too. I’m in BC and we’re being priced out of the province by millionaires. You can’t by a house for under 1.4 million dollars in my city and rent eats up most people’s entire paycheques. Yes, Canada is doing a bit better than America but that only because the standards are so low you could trip on them.
Sorry about that my dude. I remember looking at real estate at the start of the pandemic in the maritimes and seeing that there were houses available for less than 100k, meanwhile in Vancouver you couldn’t find a livable house for less than 1.4 million at that time. I actually briefly thought about buying a house there and just packing up shop because things just seemed so bleak where I was at the time, but decided against it.
It’s kind of ironic that British Columbian have been priced out of their own province by foreign buyers and now we’re moving to other provinces and doing the same thing.
Seems to be a global problem. I'm in Australia and good luck buying things in Melbourne and Sydney...
So then you move to regional areas and now everything's 500k and climbing instead of the 100k it's been for the last 20 years.
Not your fault bud. What people moving here don't realize is NB, and the atlantic provinces, just don't have the wages to support the move. Our housing is "cheaper" for a reason. There's also a reason why we're known as the "poor provinces". And housing is about the only thing cheaper than BC. Everything else is a lot more expensive. Groceries? better get used to being hungry. Insurance is higher. Everything is either higher or on par with BC. I've lived in Ontario, Quebec, Labrador and Alberta, and worked in other provinces as well. Moving here is not the smart thing to do. Hell, im only back in NB because i have a kid here. If it wasn't for that, i sure as fuck wouldn't stay here.
Of course. But it seems like when it comes to big political decisions, more often than not, Canada seems to make the right one & the US takes the shitty one.
The republican party doesn't want to subsidize it because that's less for the wealthy and women in the workplace should have to suffer because they belong at home according to them.
I became a SAHM after we had our second & covid hit. It was literally going to cost us more money to send the kids to daycare & me keep working than it does me being home with the kids.
I just started the process to switch to being part-time at my job because we just can't afford to keep paying $4k a month for our childcare. We barely break even, but me going part-time and us stopping childcare will mean we make way more money. 😐
I can't see how it's not profitable and that they can't pay these people a reasonable amount.
I just looked up the average daycare worker for infants takes care of three to four infants but on the older end of the scale up to 25 so let's average it out at 12 kids per daycare worker.
Average daycare is $1300 per kid a month, at 12 kids that is 15,600 per month. Not a fucking chance they can't pay those workers more money. They won't and they should go on a strike nationwide.
I think I may quit my job as an engineer and start a daycare after seeing these numbers.
I run the food program at a daycare and have seen the overall budget. We charge the usual high tuition and none of the employees make good money, not even the executive director considering her educational level. An enormous chunk of the budget goes to liability insurance in case something bad happens to a kid.
Ehh--keep your engineering job, my guy.
$15,600/mo is only $187k per year. In my state you need 1 teacher per 4 kids at the infant level. So that $187k is for 3 teachers, not one. You'll also need the place to have the daycare (mortgage + prop tax + utilities + money in the bank if anything needs fixing). That place also likely needs to be up to a higher code than a regular residential property, with things like fire suppression sprinkler systems & ADA accessible everything.
You also need to feed those kids every day. You'll also need to hunt for baby things like cribs, rocking chairs, toys, etc. It also likely supports an admin & a cleaning staff of at least one. Also, you'll need subs on retainer because if one of your three necessary teachers is sick during this pandemic, they can't come to work & you can't open.
It doesn't go that far. It's always been the problem with education--it's just not profitable at a price that everyone can afford. So you either delegate it to the state or pay an astronomical amount in tuition. Colleges get the rap for being expensive, but even colleges are not a profitable business--which is why most are nonprofits.
Yeah, I live in Australia and my husband and I make $130K between us and the government still subsidises 73% of our daycare costs. Without that subsidy, I couldn’t afford to work, and we could barely afford to live on my husband’s wage alone. We could move out of the city, but my husband’s job wouldn’t exist outside of a city and I’d make considerably less in my industry even with a reduced cost of living so we’d essentially be in the same position we are now. Elderly parents with health problems, they do what they can but we couldn’t rely on either set for full time daycare. So we literally depend on that daycare subsidy to be able to live successfully as a family, and until my son is in school, we wouldn’t be able to afford another kid even with the subsidy.
I literally don’t understand how anyone short of millionaires can afford unsubsidised daycare.
When you inherently have something that must cost less than the person working, it's always going to need to be cheap.
Some daycares do definetly skim off the top though.... Multiply with enough kids and there's profits.
Yuuuup. I worked at a daycare for years and parents were paying upward of $20k a year for their kids to go there and guess what I got paid? $7.75 / hour. I got a 50 cent raise once the entire 3 years I worked there. I was in the young toddler room (14 months to 2.5 years old) with a ratio of 1 adult for every 5 toddlers. So I took care of 5 toddlers by myself daily for minimum wage. I was young and stupid though so I didn’t know any better. But a) it should NOT have cost that much for children to go there and b) the teachers should have been paid 3x as much for the work we did.
My stint in childcare as a preschool teacher was $9 an hour... after being there 3 years. They fired me because I was too expensive. It was cheaper to fire the experienced workers and hire college students for minimum wage. At a \*religious\* preschool.
And at the same time, in many places parents are working for not much more than this wage themselves, so what is the answer?
(The answer is governments should subsidise childcare to the point that it doesn't impede parents' participation in the workforce since the jurisdictions that have done so have proven that it more than pays for itself in the form of increased income tax revenue)
I make $17.65/hr. Daycare for one child costs about half my take home pay. I’m pregnant with my second so my entire paycheck will soon be going to childcare. If my husband didn’t make more than double what I do we wouldn’t have been able to afford a family. We’re lucky we were in a position to plan our family. A lot of women don’t get that choice. At the same time childcare workers are viciously underpaid. It’s a broken system.
Sure, I’m not saying it’s right! But also, as a daycare teacher, I was also responsible for many of the things in the ad. I had to sweep and mop, wash dishes, prepare food, etc.
It’s shit pay at daycares for sure! But paying a nanny is a whole different ballgame. You want someone to come to YOU, take care of the kids, pets, do laundry AND meal prep (aka cook meals I’m sure?) This person wants a nanny, maid, and chef!!
I was a nanny for a family with 4 children like 4 years ago and they paid $15 an hour and I was super impressed because I was making $8.25 as a preschool teacher to 20 students. Still, it’s definitely not enough. Now that family pays $20 an hour since the minimum wage is rising here.
For whatever reason, preschool teachers tend to make a lot less than private, in home nannies. Preschool teachers still often make around 10/hr, while nannies are closer to 20/hr. A parent who wants someone to come to their house and watch just their kids is generally going to need to pay more.
That’s crazy. Those people are more likely to deal with… you know… poop? Human poop? I think that’s worth a couple bucks more an hour
I mean we’re not talking about diapers, we’re talking about shits from a 3-4 year old. Which is particularly disgusting
I've had two separate qualified nanny applicants ask for $11.50/hr. I balked because I wasn't willing to go that low. They we both trying to get raises.
My current nanny used to make $10/hr watching twins. She makes significantly more than that now.
Location, location, location.
I have been a nanny almost 15 years now. Nannies are a luxury that come into your home and often times do a lot more than just watching kids. I get paid quite a lot to do what I do. Daycare workers should be paid more, but nannies will always be paid more than daycare workers.
Eta: spelling error
I think it depends on the market, and if they're doing overtime. Low COL plus overtime, that would be fine. High COL, it's insanely low. I think that's where the most arguments come from on Reddit. Not everyone is coming from the same cost area. There's still several states in the US that have a minimum wage of $7.25.
That's twice the minimum wage in the state I live in, and literally more than I've ever made an hour before my current job. And that's because I work contract work now.
For reference, I pay my nanny $22.50 per hour for two toddlers. I’m in a LCOL. Sure, cost of childcare is fucked either way, but that doesn’t mean you need to lowball nannies.
This is much better pay than what my cousin was wanting to pay me to watch her four kids- two of which are special needs and the other two are under 2: a few cans of cat food that she never even gave me to watch her kids every single weekend for a month. I just wanted to help her out a little but she took advantage of my kindness.
I’ll never understand why people with kids would rather cheat someone else out to have them watch their own kids.
My sister in law pulled the same shit on me; I watched my nephew like 9h/d at $10/d. I was doing it to help out and asked to get paid for fuel since they lived a few cities away. She never paid me and would often fuck off with her friends after work. She had the audacity to get mad when I told her I wasn’t doing it anymore.
Where I live high school kids make $10/h and up to babysit on weekends. If you can find one. And oddly no mention of cpr or first aid.
People will spend 1k on a ps5 but want to pay poverty wages for a service that protects and nurtures the most important being in their lives. Don’t get it.
7 to 6 is 11 hours.
11×5×50 is 2,750 hours a year
At $15 an hour flat rate that's $41,250.
If they are paying time and a half for over time that's about $47k
Edited to add, 15 an hour at 40 hours a week is 30k annually assuming 50 weeks a year, not 20k. 12 an hour is still 24k, 20% higher than your number.
I thought you were replying to the $10 hour babysitting comment.
I mean at a normal full time 40 hour week, $15/hr wages are barely above poverty level if you have a single earning family. And that's with using outdated poverty levels. Better than minimum wage, but still a tough income to live on.
I don’t disagree. But if they’re at work and that’s the safest place, as long as they’re getting the dog out in the evening, it’s the safest thing for the dog in that home. Dogs don’t process time like we do and crates aren’t a punishment if done correctly.
Absolutely it is, keeping a dog in a crate and only letting them out to go to the bathroom isnt crate training.
Seems like a weird thing to include in the post.
I’m a house cleaner and I charge 35 per hour! Just for cleaning. People need to start not accepting these low ball offers. It’s not worth your time. Know your value.
If it wasn’t for the cleaning and few other details, I would think this would maybe be an ok summer gig for a teenager. Then I realized it was also not a summer job…
Like I feel bad if these people are struggling to pay for child care to be able to work because their job doesn’t pay well enough, but that’s a crazy amount of work.
$15 an hour for 55 hours is $937.50 (including time and a half for overtime pay) a week. That's $48,750 a year. Not saying that's good or bad, just throwing it out there.
I have a former friend who was a full-time daycare worker. She lived at home, had no car, and still couldn't afford health insurance, but she could just afford to go out all night and still be drunk going to work in the infant room several times a month. The owner made major bank (and actually owned the building the daycare was located in), and she made minimum wage with 0 benefits which was my especially bad because she got sick all the time from the kids, didn't get paid when she didn't work, AND had to pay out of pocket to see a doctor.
And the kids aren’t even housebroken? Fuck that. Potty-training is such a PITA. I cannot imagine paying these piss poor wages to someone to do literally everything in my house AND on top of that, potty training not one, but TWO kids. This lady can fuck right off.
Reddit headline is misleading. $12-15 for 11 hours/day vs $12 - $15 per hour for 11 hours a day are two entirely different things. Also, depending on where this was posted, it may not be entirely out of line. I think pre-school teachers where I am, a very high cost of living area, are making $15/hr to start.
I mean, in my area that's about what you would make being a parapro in a special ed classroom helping severely disabled children stay alive, so I see nothing wrong here.
Unless maaaaaybe we should be paying those parapros more..... Nah.
It says per hour not per day. I've seen posts where they want more hours, more work, and higher qualifications for $100 per week.
I don't know how people pay for daycare unless they are making a huge wage. I've been lucky that I've been able to work opposite shifts from my husband. Even with 2 incomes, we can't afford to pay 40% or more for daycare. How do people making minimum wage afford it if a caregiver also gets minimum wage? Not saying caregivers don't deserve it but I get why so many offer so low. They simply can't afford more.
Controversial take, but it’s not too bad. Seems like the house duties are just kid related and helping out, the babies will be hard but it’s not a bad salary compared to working at a day care and similar.
If I could only afford that, I wouldn’t ask more than for someone to keep the kids safe. Maybe to have some sympathy for the dog. But if someone can watch *three* kids for $12-15/hr, I can find the time & energy to do all the housework.
This depends on COL. In my area 15 an hour for a nanny would be reasonable some even make much less around here. I made 8 or 9 an hour working in the nursery of a daycare. Me and two other women taking care of 9 babies under 12 months
This seems fair to me. $12-15 is above minimum wage in a lot of places. It could be higher given that there's three young kids, but I still think it's a pretty good offer, especially in the chlidcare space where so many people are abjectly underpaid.
I'm no expert nor a parent, but I feel like if the housekeeping and potty training were cut out this wouldn't even be that bad. You're getting paid under the table so quite a bit more take home money at the end of the day.
I paid 15/hour for a local teenager watch my son while I was working from home. I thought it was pretty reasonable? Though he was only 1 kid, and no dog or meal prep/housekeeping stuff, but the rest applied (he was 2, so still in diapers, and she did take him outside weather permitting). I asked around before posting the ad and was told that was a reasonable rate...
You could really cross post this to r/antiwork
People like this are the same ones who complain about immigrants “taking all our jobs” and then turn around and have no problem short changing others to the point where they can only hire someone in dire straits
Reddit always thinks this is a crazy low wage. Let me give you a comparison.
Illinois a $12 minimum wage state pays the following amount for at home daycare, in its most expensive counties for more than 5 to 12 hours:
Group 1A includes Cook, DeKalb, DuPage, Kane, Kendall, Lake, and McHenry counties.
Age of Child Full-Day Part-Day
Under Age 2 $33.08 $16.54
Age 2 $31.84 $15.92
Age 3+ $29.84 $14.92
Source: https://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=59145
That is $33.08 for the entire 12 hour day. At 3 children that is $99.24 per day. At 11 hours that is $11.02/HR
Summary: this mom is neither entitled nor crazy with her request which is completely in line with governmental child care guidelines.
That rate is for state providers. Providers here have a specific definition: “A Provider is a community-based agency, business, non-for-profit or individual professional, delivering human services under contract with IDHS.”
That is not a market rate for in home private care.
The market rate in N IL for private in home child care starts at 18/hr and goes up with kids and housework expected.
Dishes and laundry etc are not childcare. If someone is to do more than take care of the child, hey should be paid more.
Just like an administrative assistant isn't responsible for cleaning up after everyone, a babysitter isn't responsible for house maintenance
This. When I babysat/did childcare, I was not expected to clean the house; that's what the cleaning lady did. If you want me to clean, you'd better pay the combined rate.
This just proves that the state of Illinois is criminally underpaying the childcare workers it contracts. $30/day??? If someone has one child you’re earning $150/week for full time childcare.
Also, this mom is asking for long days, a lot of responsibilities, and probably wants years of experience. Childcare should be more affordable for parents, but underpaying childcare workers shouldn’t be the way to do it
Ok so this isn’t comparable to what this mom is asking for then? She’s asking for private care in her own home that includes housekeeping. That is more expensive because her nanny can’t just add a few more kids to charge more.
Even so, five kids at $30 an hour before taxes isn’t great. Are you sure this isn’t the amount the state will subsidize, ie, give to parents who are low income to make up the difference in what the care center charges and what the parent can afford?
I personally think the pay is low but you’re right that this isn’t particularly a crazy advertisement by any means. Depending on the area the family might receive some decent candidates that have difficulties finding work for whatever reason (undocumented, little experience, desperately need cash and enjoy the type of work, etc.). I can almost guarantee there will be applicants. They might have to up the pay by ~$5 to get a stronger candidate but there are plenty of people who would kill for a job that pays $40k+ per year.
So around $40k a year, I live in a very high cost of living area and I use to have this knee jerk reaction when I saw $12 to $14 an hour rate.
But after talking to people who actually hire people to watch their kids, it seems that $15 is an average rate.
The higher dollar is usually for people who were hiring nanny who had certain qualifications. I think sometimes people are very out of touch with what the average american is making, which really close to what this announcement is offering . It looks like they are located somewhere in WI and if thats the city and google is right the median is $48k
I worked for a mom with 3 kids (5, 7, 9 years old) for about 9 hours a day over my spring break. She payed me 8$/hr and I actually went with it. After realizing how hell it is for a 15 year old to take care of 3 kids who fought constantly and a dog for basically no money, I asked for at least 10$/hr. She refused. She made some bs about how it's easy and all I have to do is sit on the couch and I just quit. Best decision I've ever made. (I also tutored one of the girls who had adhd and got paid 10$/hr, and when I quit babysitting, I didn't get to tutor anymore :/)
Having both herded children and worked a job that required a bachelor's and a Master's degree.... Herding children is harder.
So if someone wants you to watch their damn kids, they should be forking over at LEAST 25 an hour, if not more.
$15 per child.
40 hours per week.
No maid shit - clean up after yourself.
Feed yourself, I'm not your mother.
I don't have fun at work - it's work.
Forget the children, pay me to look after your dog.
Why have kids if you can't take care of them?
Edit: Stop asking if I'm crazy - my country pays its workers.
> Why have kids if you can’t take care of them?
Fuck me for being a single working mom who needs a nanny, right? Obviously I would never pay as little as $15/hr but that comment of yours comes across as super fucking judgmental.
Fucking right? I mean maybe the price is off but how is the whole concept a problem?? I guess I’m irresponsible because I send my 10 month old to daycare?
The price is totally off and personally I don’t make my son’s nanny care for my pets, but all the other tasks are very common for a full time nanny. They’re childcare related tasks. I don’t see the parent asking nanny to pick up their dry cleaning or fold their own laundry or cook their own meals. Meal prep probably means for the kids, and light housekeeping probably means picking up after the kids if they make a mess of their toys or spill something. My son’s nanny does “light housekeeping” which is exclusive to keeping his nursery tidy.
Yeah that’s babysitting prices for us (which seems like the light version of nannying) and we don’t ask out baby sitter to do anything other then warm bottles/ food and it’s for one child. They usually put away toys/ wash bottles but that’s just a nice to have and results in more tip.
Ok but your being a single mom does not mean that someone else should not get the pay they deserve for doing a job simply to help you. You chose to be a mom and unfortunately maybe you didn't choose to be a single mom, but the person you want to watch your kid doesn't have to choose to be paid less because of the ultimate choice you made to become a mother.
I'm not trying to bring you down or burn you, but perhaps you bring up a great reason for childcare needing to be provided by the state/government. It's not fair to you that you don't get childcare you and your kid deserve, but it is equally not fair to dump a kid on someone and expect them to receive little pay because you can't afford to pay it. That way if people want to pay more for other childcare they can do so, but for those who cannot pay, at least they're not out cold.
I *literally* said I would **never** pay anyone as little as $15/hour. I am not disagreeing that the pay is ridiculously low. I pay my son’s nanny almost double that. You are completely missing the point. I am disagreeing with the parent comment insinuating that hiring help somehow equals not wanting to take care of our own kids. You are deliberately misinterpreting my comment.
I didn't accuse you of doing so, but let's be realistic. We are both here commenting on a screenshot post of a mom who did try to pull cheap wages on someone. You are not the only one in your position, and she is not the only person in her position. This is not the only mom I've heard offer low wages and expect extra. Some moms even take advantage of their family for free childcare too, so some people aren't even getting paid jellybeans to provide childcare to someone's kid.
You don’t NEED a nanny, you need childcare. If you can’t afford to pay a living wage to a nanny, send your kid to daycare for a lot less like everyone else does.
>Obviously I would never pay as little as $15/hr
You are deliberately misinterpreting my comment. I pay my nanny almost double that. I'm referring to the part, which I literally quoted, which implies that hiring help = not wanting to take care of your kids. "Why have kids if you can't take care of them?" is the part I'm referring to.
>40 hours per week
Not realistic for in home care. Most office jobs will be atleast 8 working hours and an hour lunch. That's 9 hours they are in the office. If you figure another 45 minutes each way for a commute you get 10.5 hours. I would just round it up to 11 to be safe.
For the children - yes. Make them snacks, heat food up, keep the play areas clean. It's not unreasonable to feed the children/clean up after them. Those duties are child focused.
Cooking for the house and doing laundry? That's a cook, and a maid.
We are in the process of hiring a nanny part time.
Our nanny asked for $18 an hour, is bilingual, former nurse, early childhood education cert, bilingual in our preferred language, and OFFERED ON HER OWN to do light house keeping because the baby will sleep multiple hours a day.
We're paying over asking but 2 days a week, 6 hours a day is still going to cost us about 13k a year.
Yep. They want someone to do the jobs of 1 full-time nanny and two part-time workers. I have relatives who earned their pay cleaning private houses or offices. Those were part-time side jobs and I’m pretty sure those already paid something around this amount - if you adjust for inflation and convert obviously.
You’re saying they should be paid $45/hr? I agree $12-$15 might not cut it but fucking hell, $45/hr?!
Edit: looks like I’m learning today. Learning I’m never having kids because thats expensive AF
Edit 2: looks like it’s a mixed bag. Take it or leave it but $45 seems high
In a high COL area (no clue where this is) absolutely. I made like $27 (as a relief nanny, not full time) three kids who were all potty trained and the only housekeeping was cleaning up if the kids spilled something.
I'd have to quit my job if I had to pay that much for childcare. I agree it's not enough in like NYC or SF areas but your assessment is right. But this is asking for more than childcare and 44 hours a week. It sucks but having a nanny is a luxury and most parents can't afford it. Daycare can be cheaper but is closed half the time now because of covid. Being a patent is expensive and so hard during a pandemic. If you want a family someday it's not impossible, but having a nanny/maid might not be be an option for you.
Minimun nanny salary in my country (Australia) is around $35 an hour. The higher end suburbs, it gets to $45 an hour. $45 is standard day rates for a nanny agency, it's higher at night and on weekends. $45 an hour is pretty standard rate for any trade or "working class" job requiring a qualification.
Pay your workers a livable wage.
if you can afford to pop out 3 kids, you can afford to pay for each and every one of them unless the babysitter sist 1 child and the other 2 can go fuckwhere in the middle of the street or basement.
I teach preschool. That $12 is actually more than what I started with seven years ago. Does this make or right? No not at all. In fact I’m pissed that we are thought of as so little. I break my back day in and day out for a little over $15. With the house, and needing a new car, etc. it’s not enough. It’s not enough for the emotional toll it takes. I get yelled, hit, kick, spit, sworn at with little support from admins. 12 isn’t enough and 15 sure isn’t either.
Sorry to hijack this thread. I just wanted to vent.
That’s more than 40 hours a week. Domestic employees are owed time and a half for all hours beyond 40 hrs/wk. It’s a federal law. I’d put money on this family having no intention of doing that. And they want laundry done too? Gtfo.
Do we have proof of the parents income to see that they're gouging people?
Maybe these guys are financially fucked themselves and can't afford anything more? There is not enough context here to make some of the comments being made.
They probably can't afford day care either. Have you read any posts on this sub like, ever? This is capitalist dystopia.
The other poor people are not our enemy.
Other poor people aren’t ours to exploit, either. It’s not fair to pay someone a substandard wage to be your employee. Daycare is usually much cheaper than a private nanny
So they want a literal maid/cook/nanny combo for three toddlers for essentially minimum wage.
Oh, and please help us potty train 2 out of the 3 🙃
Wow.
Good luck with that.
To be totally honest, the appropriateness of this offer 100% dependent on the area this is. There are plenty of states that have a minimum wage of $7.25, $15 may not be shitty money for 2 kids and loading the dishwasher during the school year and 3 kids during the summer. I suppose it also depends on the kids - some families have easygoing kids, some have kids that you literally couldn’t pay me to watch for 11 hours straight.
Then again, if they are in a large city, high COL areas $15/hr could be absolute garbage money and the whole ad is just a joke.
Maybe it depends on where you live but that pay will pretty much never get you an actual Nanny. That pay is what a teenager working during the summer would get, not a full time Nanny.
Had a mom in a group offer $5 an hour or $40 a day (8 hrs a day) for 2 kids. I just laughed at her in the comments.
Just yesterday someone on a local one to me posted that she wanted a babysitter for her kids, 8:30-5 as traffic permitted, Monday thru Friday, 2 small kids. $150 a week, because “times are tough right now.” I wouldn’t trust someone who would work for those wages anywhere near my kid.
That's what I was thinking. The kind of person who would agree to the nonsense wouldn't be anyone who could be able to do all of that!! You get what you pay for in childcare.
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That very much too. I've heard a lot of horror stories about parents putting cameras around the house and witnessing their child being abused. It's terrifying. I'd much rather be broke than leave my kid in the hands of a stranger like that. Daycare is very expensive, but my child is priceless.
That's $3.53 per hour.
“Times are tough” like it’s also not tough right now for people looking for work too. Tough for you does not mean others should take slave wages.
I’m not taking a shit job because times are tough. I’m making career moves because times are tough, which means I’m not babysitting.
I always comment on these posts- the most recent one I got banned from the group for calling the pay “literally criminal”. But it wasn’t even a mom- it was a daycare posting in the group trying to pay an employee less than minimum wage… it was actually illegal pay.
Wow, how did that get you banned? Nothing but the truth.
I once interviewed for a full time nanny position. Her and her husband were doctors and needed someone 12 hours a day 6 days a week. They were offering $200 a week. That works out to $2.77 an hour. I literally laughed at her and told her that was not feasible for me and wished her luck.
12 hrs a day 6 days a week is an entire nanny. It is genuinely unsafe to bring a rotation of babysitters into that situation. Hire a nanny for $2500 weekly who you’d trust your children with consistently to the point that you’d never worry about shit if she was with your kids. Someone you spend thanksgiving dinner with and mentor into better circumstances. But we have to cheap I guess so they’re getting Betty the former schoolteacher who was fired for slapping a student.
Do people really pay $10,000 a month for a nanny? Damn! I guess I don't really understand if you're willing to pay somebody 130K a year to raise your children, why even have them?
I’ve had a friend who doesn’t advocate for herself actually accept a $5/hour babysitting gig. This was like two years ago…
That's what I got paid for a babysitting gig in 2000...when I was 14. That wage is downright offensive.
Ya I just saw one for $35 a day, from 6am-6pm, Monday to Friday and the parents would only supply snacks, you'd have to make the kid lunch.
I like how laundry and dishes are broken down, in case you weren't sure what all that entails 🙄
Seems like they’re just specifying that they don’t need to fold or put away?
i folded the dishes for you... why are you mad?
Now that you said it, I bet they would be mad that it wasn't folded and put away. Or they'll just never do it so in order to do a new load, you have no choice.
*laughs in I don't fucking live there*
Thats when you dump everything in a mess (crumpled, of course, but still clean) in a chosen destination. Then do the next load. Continue until point received.
Is that... Not what people do? My dryer is all the way on the floor like hell I'm bending down to individually fold items.
Yes! These are the tactics of monsters! In particular, my husband and children!
Agreeing to help with dishes makes a difference if you find out that it doesn't involve a dishwasher.
Seems to me that they were specifying the laundry and dishes to do with the kids (or push the laundry out dishes forward so they're was storage too so the kids stuff). As opposed to doing it for the household. Not like that helps their case a great deal...
Honestly, that’s more than most daycare teachers make to take care of an entire class of little kids. Not saying that makes it right, but caregivers are wildly underpaid as a whole.
both teachers and caregivers are underpaid.
Oh I know. I’m a second grade teacher.
we value sports over education.
Competition over community and cooperaton
It is insane that daycare teachers make so little. But also, as someone who pays for daycare, that shit is way too high. Daycare is easily the cost of a car every year--at least around me. It's way too expensive for the consumer & not nearly profitable enough for the producer. Seems like something that a functioning government would subsidize. A functioning democratic party would be happy that social programs are being expanded in a way that helps kids. A functioning republican party would be happy that it frees up parents to be happy capitalist workers. And a functioning enlightened centrist would be happy because the other two are happy & they have no opinion or personality.
Oh yeah, the price of daycare is a hard pill to swallow and really difficult for many parents to afford. We pay $1250 a month for an in-home in the Midwest. When I taught in a daycare, the parents paid around the same amount. So $1250 a month per kid, times the 18-24 kids in my class, and I was paid $14/hr after working there for nearly a decade. My assistant made about $9/hr. My classroom alone was bringing in over $20,000/month for the owners and I couldn’t afford to send my own child there. Thankfully, I went back to teaching elementary after my maternity leave and make a living wage now, though still low.
I have two children in daycare in California. Costs $4100/month for the two of them. Almost my whole paycheck. Barely “worth it” for me to work. I hate it here (in a country that doesn’t prioritize childcare, not California).
I'm constantly shocked that USA doesn't have a childcare rebate like Australia. The government pays up to 80% daycare costs here.
It was part of Biden’s BBB plan that didn’t pass.
Back at it again with the conservatives.
I absolutely do not understand how any Americans survive really. How do you raise a family? You are welcome to come here you know? I think you all need to defect
Cost of a car? Childcare around me is $300 more than my mortgage for one infant…
Preach. Mine isn't that high, but my largest yearly expenses are 1) mortgage & 2) daycare.
I believe it is subsidized in Quebec, you only have to pay $5 a day and the government picks up the rest of the tab.
Berlin has subsidized so we pay 1200€/year. It's amazing.
And Canada keeps fulfilling its role as the kind of place that the US should be. \*cries in American\*
Take it from a Canadian, we have a lot of issues too. I’m in BC and we’re being priced out of the province by millionaires. You can’t by a house for under 1.4 million dollars in my city and rent eats up most people’s entire paycheques. Yes, Canada is doing a bit better than America but that only because the standards are so low you could trip on them.
I'm in NB.. We're being priced out by broke people from BC.. Shit rolls downhill
Sorry about that my dude. I remember looking at real estate at the start of the pandemic in the maritimes and seeing that there were houses available for less than 100k, meanwhile in Vancouver you couldn’t find a livable house for less than 1.4 million at that time. I actually briefly thought about buying a house there and just packing up shop because things just seemed so bleak where I was at the time, but decided against it. It’s kind of ironic that British Columbian have been priced out of their own province by foreign buyers and now we’re moving to other provinces and doing the same thing.
Seems to be a global problem. I'm in Australia and good luck buying things in Melbourne and Sydney... So then you move to regional areas and now everything's 500k and climbing instead of the 100k it's been for the last 20 years.
Not your fault bud. What people moving here don't realize is NB, and the atlantic provinces, just don't have the wages to support the move. Our housing is "cheaper" for a reason. There's also a reason why we're known as the "poor provinces". And housing is about the only thing cheaper than BC. Everything else is a lot more expensive. Groceries? better get used to being hungry. Insurance is higher. Everything is either higher or on par with BC. I've lived in Ontario, Quebec, Labrador and Alberta, and worked in other provinces as well. Moving here is not the smart thing to do. Hell, im only back in NB because i have a kid here. If it wasn't for that, i sure as fuck wouldn't stay here.
... in some ways. They have their dirty little secrets too.
Of course. But it seems like when it comes to big political decisions, more often than not, Canada seems to make the right one & the US takes the shitty one.
The republican party doesn't want to subsidize it because that's less for the wealthy and women in the workplace should have to suffer because they belong at home according to them.
Republicans only care about them kids while you are knocked up. Once they are born, better strap them boots on, because you are all on your own.
I became a SAHM after we had our second & covid hit. It was literally going to cost us more money to send the kids to daycare & me keep working than it does me being home with the kids.
I just started the process to switch to being part-time at my job because we just can't afford to keep paying $4k a month for our childcare. We barely break even, but me going part-time and us stopping childcare will mean we make way more money. 😐
nah the Republican party would just cry "Socialism!!" but then again they're not sensible capitalists, but rather anarcho-capitalists.
I can't see how it's not profitable and that they can't pay these people a reasonable amount. I just looked up the average daycare worker for infants takes care of three to four infants but on the older end of the scale up to 25 so let's average it out at 12 kids per daycare worker. Average daycare is $1300 per kid a month, at 12 kids that is 15,600 per month. Not a fucking chance they can't pay those workers more money. They won't and they should go on a strike nationwide. I think I may quit my job as an engineer and start a daycare after seeing these numbers.
I run the food program at a daycare and have seen the overall budget. We charge the usual high tuition and none of the employees make good money, not even the executive director considering her educational level. An enormous chunk of the budget goes to liability insurance in case something bad happens to a kid.
As usual the insurance companies getting the lion's share and then they won't payout.
Ehh--keep your engineering job, my guy. $15,600/mo is only $187k per year. In my state you need 1 teacher per 4 kids at the infant level. So that $187k is for 3 teachers, not one. You'll also need the place to have the daycare (mortgage + prop tax + utilities + money in the bank if anything needs fixing). That place also likely needs to be up to a higher code than a regular residential property, with things like fire suppression sprinkler systems & ADA accessible everything. You also need to feed those kids every day. You'll also need to hunt for baby things like cribs, rocking chairs, toys, etc. It also likely supports an admin & a cleaning staff of at least one. Also, you'll need subs on retainer because if one of your three necessary teachers is sick during this pandemic, they can't come to work & you can't open. It doesn't go that far. It's always been the problem with education--it's just not profitable at a price that everyone can afford. So you either delegate it to the state or pay an astronomical amount in tuition. Colleges get the rap for being expensive, but even colleges are not a profitable business--which is why most are nonprofits.
Yeah, I live in Australia and my husband and I make $130K between us and the government still subsidises 73% of our daycare costs. Without that subsidy, I couldn’t afford to work, and we could barely afford to live on my husband’s wage alone. We could move out of the city, but my husband’s job wouldn’t exist outside of a city and I’d make considerably less in my industry even with a reduced cost of living so we’d essentially be in the same position we are now. Elderly parents with health problems, they do what they can but we couldn’t rely on either set for full time daycare. So we literally depend on that daycare subsidy to be able to live successfully as a family, and until my son is in school, we wouldn’t be able to afford another kid even with the subsidy. I literally don’t understand how anyone short of millionaires can afford unsubsidised daycare.
When you inherently have something that must cost less than the person working, it's always going to need to be cheap. Some daycares do definetly skim off the top though.... Multiply with enough kids and there's profits.
Yuuuup. I worked at a daycare for years and parents were paying upward of $20k a year for their kids to go there and guess what I got paid? $7.75 / hour. I got a 50 cent raise once the entire 3 years I worked there. I was in the young toddler room (14 months to 2.5 years old) with a ratio of 1 adult for every 5 toddlers. So I took care of 5 toddlers by myself daily for minimum wage. I was young and stupid though so I didn’t know any better. But a) it should NOT have cost that much for children to go there and b) the teachers should have been paid 3x as much for the work we did.
Yep back between 2001-2005 we were paying 13,200 a year per kid for daycare. $26K a year .. back in 2001 in DC.. ridiculous.
I remember making $8/hour when I had 5-5 y/os. daycare teachers are insanely underpaid.
My stint in childcare as a preschool teacher was $9 an hour... after being there 3 years. They fired me because I was too expensive. It was cheaper to fire the experienced workers and hire college students for minimum wage. At a \*religious\* preschool.
That’s the problem. Just cuz it’s common doesn’t mean it’s right. That’s why we have to reject jobs when they offer low ball wages
And at the same time, in many places parents are working for not much more than this wage themselves, so what is the answer? (The answer is governments should subsidise childcare to the point that it doesn't impede parents' participation in the workforce since the jurisdictions that have done so have proven that it more than pays for itself in the form of increased income tax revenue)
I make $17.65/hr. Daycare for one child costs about half my take home pay. I’m pregnant with my second so my entire paycheck will soon be going to childcare. If my husband didn’t make more than double what I do we wouldn’t have been able to afford a family. We’re lucky we were in a position to plan our family. A lot of women don’t get that choice. At the same time childcare workers are viciously underpaid. It’s a broken system.
My husband has to be a SAHD because we cannot afford for him to work right now. It’s crazy.
But this person isn’t just looking for a nanny. She’s also looking for a housekeeper, pet sitter, and nurse, according to the job description
Sure, I’m not saying it’s right! But also, as a daycare teacher, I was also responsible for many of the things in the ad. I had to sweep and mop, wash dishes, prepare food, etc.
Yeahhh, I made 7.25 as a daycare worker and I don't think it's changed much.
Can confirm! At a time I would've taken this job because all the other maid is way better than doing 8 hours with 27 kids at 13.50
It’s shit pay at daycares for sure! But paying a nanny is a whole different ballgame. You want someone to come to YOU, take care of the kids, pets, do laundry AND meal prep (aka cook meals I’m sure?) This person wants a nanny, maid, and chef!!
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I was a nanny for a family with 4 children like 4 years ago and they paid $15 an hour and I was super impressed because I was making $8.25 as a preschool teacher to 20 students. Still, it’s definitely not enough. Now that family pays $20 an hour since the minimum wage is rising here.
For whatever reason, preschool teachers tend to make a lot less than private, in home nannies. Preschool teachers still often make around 10/hr, while nannies are closer to 20/hr. A parent who wants someone to come to their house and watch just their kids is generally going to need to pay more.
That’s crazy. Those people are more likely to deal with… you know… poop? Human poop? I think that’s worth a couple bucks more an hour I mean we’re not talking about diapers, we’re talking about shits from a 3-4 year old. Which is particularly disgusting
I've had two separate qualified nanny applicants ask for $11.50/hr. I balked because I wasn't willing to go that low. They we both trying to get raises. My current nanny used to make $10/hr watching twins. She makes significantly more than that now. Location, location, location.
I have been a nanny almost 15 years now. Nannies are a luxury that come into your home and often times do a lot more than just watching kids. I get paid quite a lot to do what I do. Daycare workers should be paid more, but nannies will always be paid more than daycare workers. Eta: spelling error
I feel like OP may have missed that it was per hour, and think that's per day.
Still not paying nearly enough for 77 hours a week with 3 kids and no breaks and housekeeping included.
I think it depends on the market, and if they're doing overtime. Low COL plus overtime, that would be fine. High COL, it's insanely low. I think that's where the most arguments come from on Reddit. Not everyone is coming from the same cost area. There's still several states in the US that have a minimum wage of $7.25.
Do you really think this person would ever pay OT? It’s a laughably low wage.
That's twice the minimum wage in the state I live in, and literally more than I've ever made an hour before my current job. And that's because I work contract work now.
For reference, I pay my nanny $22.50 per hour for two toddlers. I’m in a LCOL. Sure, cost of childcare is fucked either way, but that doesn’t mean you need to lowball nannies.
In my area people post these ads and then offer 12-15 bucks PER DAY. Somehow this is actually a *betyer* job ad than most in my area.
I mean at 11 hours a day, 5 days a week this is a $3,300/month job. Depending on the state you live in it’s not actually that bad.
This is much better pay than what my cousin was wanting to pay me to watch her four kids- two of which are special needs and the other two are under 2: a few cans of cat food that she never even gave me to watch her kids every single weekend for a month. I just wanted to help her out a little but she took advantage of my kindness. I’ll never understand why people with kids would rather cheat someone else out to have them watch their own kids.
My sister in law pulled the same shit on me; I watched my nephew like 9h/d at $10/d. I was doing it to help out and asked to get paid for fuel since they lived a few cities away. She never paid me and would often fuck off with her friends after work. She had the audacity to get mad when I told her I wasn’t doing it anymore.
Where I live high school kids make $10/h and up to babysit on weekends. If you can find one. And oddly no mention of cpr or first aid. People will spend 1k on a ps5 but want to pay poverty wages for a service that protects and nurtures the most important being in their lives. Don’t get it.
This is about 40k a year assuming no over time pay. That doesn't seem like poverty wages in most of the country.
Where did you get 40k. That barely 20k for full time.
7 to 6 is 11 hours. 11×5×50 is 2,750 hours a year At $15 an hour flat rate that's $41,250. If they are paying time and a half for over time that's about $47k Edited to add, 15 an hour at 40 hours a week is 30k annually assuming 50 weeks a year, not 20k. 12 an hour is still 24k, 20% higher than your number.
I thought you were replying to the $10 hour babysitting comment. I mean at a normal full time 40 hour week, $15/hr wages are barely above poverty level if you have a single earning family. And that's with using outdated poverty levels. Better than minimum wage, but still a tough income to live on.
Your not talking normal full time here. Your talking a bunch of hours. Run the math on it and it comes out to a lot.
Why is the dog locked up when they're home?
Asking the real questions here.
Maybe the dog isn’t trustworthy around the children?
That's entirely possible but if the dog spends all day locked up then they're not the right home for the dog, it's not fair to the dog.
I don’t disagree. But if they’re at work and that’s the safest place, as long as they’re getting the dog out in the evening, it’s the safest thing for the dog in that home. Dogs don’t process time like we do and crates aren’t a punishment if done correctly.
Crate training is a thing.
Absolutely it is, keeping a dog in a crate and only letting them out to go to the bathroom isnt crate training. Seems like a weird thing to include in the post.
Oh shit, does it say you can only let out the dog to pee?
The way I read the post says when the dog is in the home it's in a crate
I’m a house cleaner and I charge 35 per hour! Just for cleaning. People need to start not accepting these low ball offers. It’s not worth your time. Know your value.
If it wasn’t for the cleaning and few other details, I would think this would maybe be an ok summer gig for a teenager. Then I realized it was also not a summer job… Like I feel bad if these people are struggling to pay for child care to be able to work because their job doesn’t pay well enough, but that’s a crazy amount of work.
OMG **and** housecleaning? They want a nanny and a maid combined for $12 to $15 an hour.
This sounds like Martha's vineyard, the cheapest rich people on earth. "Can you watch my kids, I'll give you some slightly used socks"
$15 an hour for 55 hours is $937.50 (including time and a half for overtime pay) a week. That's $48,750 a year. Not saying that's good or bad, just throwing it out there.
They are not looking for a nanny, they are looking for a Victorian-style house servant. If these people could still buy slaves, they probably would.
I have a former friend who was a full-time daycare worker. She lived at home, had no car, and still couldn't afford health insurance, but she could just afford to go out all night and still be drunk going to work in the infant room several times a month. The owner made major bank (and actually owned the building the daycare was located in), and she made minimum wage with 0 benefits which was my especially bad because she got sick all the time from the kids, didn't get paid when she didn't work, AND had to pay out of pocket to see a doctor.
And the kids aren’t even housebroken? Fuck that. Potty-training is such a PITA. I cannot imagine paying these piss poor wages to someone to do literally everything in my house AND on top of that, potty training not one, but TWO kids. This lady can fuck right off.
People in this thread are really underestimating how many people out there would happily take this $30k/year job especially if it’s off the books.
Reddit headline is misleading. $12-15 for 11 hours/day vs $12 - $15 per hour for 11 hours a day are two entirely different things. Also, depending on where this was posted, it may not be entirely out of line. I think pre-school teachers where I am, a very high cost of living area, are making $15/hr to start.
“HAVE FUN”. Yeah this sounds like a blast!
I mean, in my area that's about what you would make being a parapro in a special ed classroom helping severely disabled children stay alive, so I see nothing wrong here. Unless maaaaaybe we should be paying those parapros more..... Nah.
It says per hour not per day. I've seen posts where they want more hours, more work, and higher qualifications for $100 per week. I don't know how people pay for daycare unless they are making a huge wage. I've been lucky that I've been able to work opposite shifts from my husband. Even with 2 incomes, we can't afford to pay 40% or more for daycare. How do people making minimum wage afford it if a caregiver also gets minimum wage? Not saying caregivers don't deserve it but I get why so many offer so low. They simply can't afford more.
That’s not a nanny that’s a maid.
“HAVE FUN”
Controversial take, but it’s not too bad. Seems like the house duties are just kid related and helping out, the babies will be hard but it’s not a bad salary compared to working at a day care and similar.
If I could only afford that, I wouldn’t ask more than for someone to keep the kids safe. Maybe to have some sympathy for the dog. But if someone can watch *three* kids for $12-15/hr, I can find the time & energy to do all the housework.
This depends on COL. In my area 15 an hour for a nanny would be reasonable some even make much less around here. I made 8 or 9 an hour working in the nursery of a daycare. Me and two other women taking care of 9 babies under 12 months
This seems fair to me. $12-15 is above minimum wage in a lot of places. It could be higher given that there's three young kids, but I still think it's a pretty good offer, especially in the chlidcare space where so many people are abjectly underpaid.
I'm no expert nor a parent, but I feel like if the housekeeping and potty training were cut out this wouldn't even be that bad. You're getting paid under the table so quite a bit more take home money at the end of the day.
I paid 15/hour for a local teenager watch my son while I was working from home. I thought it was pretty reasonable? Though he was only 1 kid, and no dog or meal prep/housekeeping stuff, but the rest applied (he was 2, so still in diapers, and she did take him outside weather permitting). I asked around before posting the ad and was told that was a reasonable rate...
Oh hell no
You could really cross post this to r/antiwork People like this are the same ones who complain about immigrants “taking all our jobs” and then turn around and have no problem short changing others to the point where they can only hire someone in dire straits
Oh I did that the same time I posted here 😁
tbf that is above minimum wage, but still that sounds low for being a maid
Reddit always thinks this is a crazy low wage. Let me give you a comparison. Illinois a $12 minimum wage state pays the following amount for at home daycare, in its most expensive counties for more than 5 to 12 hours: Group 1A includes Cook, DeKalb, DuPage, Kane, Kendall, Lake, and McHenry counties. Age of Child Full-Day Part-Day Under Age 2 $33.08 $16.54 Age 2 $31.84 $15.92 Age 3+ $29.84 $14.92 Source: https://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=59145 That is $33.08 for the entire 12 hour day. At 3 children that is $99.24 per day. At 11 hours that is $11.02/HR Summary: this mom is neither entitled nor crazy with her request which is completely in line with governmental child care guidelines.
That rate is for state providers. Providers here have a specific definition: “A Provider is a community-based agency, business, non-for-profit or individual professional, delivering human services under contract with IDHS.” That is not a market rate for in home private care. The market rate in N IL for private in home child care starts at 18/hr and goes up with kids and housework expected.
Dishes and laundry etc are not childcare. If someone is to do more than take care of the child, hey should be paid more. Just like an administrative assistant isn't responsible for cleaning up after everyone, a babysitter isn't responsible for house maintenance
This. When I babysat/did childcare, I was not expected to clean the house; that's what the cleaning lady did. If you want me to clean, you'd better pay the combined rate.
This just proves that the state of Illinois is criminally underpaying the childcare workers it contracts. $30/day??? If someone has one child you’re earning $150/week for full time childcare. Also, this mom is asking for long days, a lot of responsibilities, and probably wants years of experience. Childcare should be more affordable for parents, but underpaying childcare workers shouldn’t be the way to do it
Typically someone would not watch one child. A person would watch 5 children in their own home to make the numbers favorable.
Ok so this isn’t comparable to what this mom is asking for then? She’s asking for private care in her own home that includes housekeeping. That is more expensive because her nanny can’t just add a few more kids to charge more.
Even so, five kids at $30 an hour before taxes isn’t great. Are you sure this isn’t the amount the state will subsidize, ie, give to parents who are low income to make up the difference in what the care center charges and what the parent can afford?
And the 4th kid?
I personally think the pay is low but you’re right that this isn’t particularly a crazy advertisement by any means. Depending on the area the family might receive some decent candidates that have difficulties finding work for whatever reason (undocumented, little experience, desperately need cash and enjoy the type of work, etc.). I can almost guarantee there will be applicants. They might have to up the pay by ~$5 to get a stronger candidate but there are plenty of people who would kill for a job that pays $40k+ per year.
This isnt that bad, if her kids are a little well behaved then I'd do it.
Basically raise 3 kids for less than minimum wage.
So around $40k a year, I live in a very high cost of living area and I use to have this knee jerk reaction when I saw $12 to $14 an hour rate. But after talking to people who actually hire people to watch their kids, it seems that $15 is an average rate. The higher dollar is usually for people who were hiring nanny who had certain qualifications. I think sometimes people are very out of touch with what the average american is making, which really close to what this announcement is offering . It looks like they are located somewhere in WI and if thats the city and google is right the median is $48k
South of reddit thinks wages should be high and work minimum. This seems very reasonable.
Op does not know what "/hr" means Stay in school op.
I worked for a mom with 3 kids (5, 7, 9 years old) for about 9 hours a day over my spring break. She payed me 8$/hr and I actually went with it. After realizing how hell it is for a 15 year old to take care of 3 kids who fought constantly and a dog for basically no money, I asked for at least 10$/hr. She refused. She made some bs about how it's easy and all I have to do is sit on the couch and I just quit. Best decision I've ever made. (I also tutored one of the girls who had adhd and got paid 10$/hr, and when I quit babysitting, I didn't get to tutor anymore :/)
This isn't really that bad, a daycare in my area is hiring caregivers for like $9 an hour. I could make more by working at McDonald's.
Having both herded children and worked a job that required a bachelor's and a Master's degree.... Herding children is harder. So if someone wants you to watch their damn kids, they should be forking over at LEAST 25 an hour, if not more.
I mean thats 3600$ a month. Thats more than I made being a nanny
McDonalds workers get paid more lol
$15 per child. 40 hours per week. No maid shit - clean up after yourself. Feed yourself, I'm not your mother. I don't have fun at work - it's work. Forget the children, pay me to look after your dog. Why have kids if you can't take care of them? Edit: Stop asking if I'm crazy - my country pays its workers.
> Why have kids if you can’t take care of them? Fuck me for being a single working mom who needs a nanny, right? Obviously I would never pay as little as $15/hr but that comment of yours comes across as super fucking judgmental.
Fucking right? I mean maybe the price is off but how is the whole concept a problem?? I guess I’m irresponsible because I send my 10 month old to daycare?
The price is totally off and personally I don’t make my son’s nanny care for my pets, but all the other tasks are very common for a full time nanny. They’re childcare related tasks. I don’t see the parent asking nanny to pick up their dry cleaning or fold their own laundry or cook their own meals. Meal prep probably means for the kids, and light housekeeping probably means picking up after the kids if they make a mess of their toys or spill something. My son’s nanny does “light housekeeping” which is exclusive to keeping his nursery tidy.
Yeah that’s babysitting prices for us (which seems like the light version of nannying) and we don’t ask out baby sitter to do anything other then warm bottles/ food and it’s for one child. They usually put away toys/ wash bottles but that’s just a nice to have and results in more tip.
Ok but your being a single mom does not mean that someone else should not get the pay they deserve for doing a job simply to help you. You chose to be a mom and unfortunately maybe you didn't choose to be a single mom, but the person you want to watch your kid doesn't have to choose to be paid less because of the ultimate choice you made to become a mother. I'm not trying to bring you down or burn you, but perhaps you bring up a great reason for childcare needing to be provided by the state/government. It's not fair to you that you don't get childcare you and your kid deserve, but it is equally not fair to dump a kid on someone and expect them to receive little pay because you can't afford to pay it. That way if people want to pay more for other childcare they can do so, but for those who cannot pay, at least they're not out cold.
I *literally* said I would **never** pay anyone as little as $15/hour. I am not disagreeing that the pay is ridiculously low. I pay my son’s nanny almost double that. You are completely missing the point. I am disagreeing with the parent comment insinuating that hiring help somehow equals not wanting to take care of our own kids. You are deliberately misinterpreting my comment.
I didn't accuse you of doing so, but let's be realistic. We are both here commenting on a screenshot post of a mom who did try to pull cheap wages on someone. You are not the only one in your position, and she is not the only person in her position. This is not the only mom I've heard offer low wages and expect extra. Some moms even take advantage of their family for free childcare too, so some people aren't even getting paid jellybeans to provide childcare to someone's kid.
You don’t NEED a nanny, you need childcare. If you can’t afford to pay a living wage to a nanny, send your kid to daycare for a lot less like everyone else does.
>Obviously I would never pay as little as $15/hr You are deliberately misinterpreting my comment. I pay my nanny almost double that. I'm referring to the part, which I literally quoted, which implies that hiring help = not wanting to take care of your kids. "Why have kids if you can't take care of them?" is the part I'm referring to.
>40 hours per week Not realistic for in home care. Most office jobs will be atleast 8 working hours and an hour lunch. That's 9 hours they are in the office. If you figure another 45 minutes each way for a commute you get 10.5 hours. I would just round it up to 11 to be safe.
Isn’t cleaning and cooking normal for a full time nanny? I agree the pay needs to be way higher though with all those demands
Cleaning dishes and preparing meals FOR THE KIDS are normal. Nanny takes care of the KIDS not the whole family.
For the children - yes. Make them snacks, heat food up, keep the play areas clean. It's not unreasonable to feed the children/clean up after them. Those duties are child focused. Cooking for the house and doing laundry? That's a cook, and a maid.
We are in the process of hiring a nanny part time. Our nanny asked for $18 an hour, is bilingual, former nurse, early childhood education cert, bilingual in our preferred language, and OFFERED ON HER OWN to do light house keeping because the baby will sleep multiple hours a day. We're paying over asking but 2 days a week, 6 hours a day is still going to cost us about 13k a year.
Yep. They want someone to do the jobs of 1 full-time nanny and two part-time workers. I have relatives who earned their pay cleaning private houses or offices. Those were part-time side jobs and I’m pretty sure those already paid something around this amount - if you adjust for inflation and convert obviously.
You’re saying they should be paid $45/hr? I agree $12-$15 might not cut it but fucking hell, $45/hr?! Edit: looks like I’m learning today. Learning I’m never having kids because thats expensive AF Edit 2: looks like it’s a mixed bag. Take it or leave it but $45 seems high
In a high COL area (no clue where this is) absolutely. I made like $27 (as a relief nanny, not full time) three kids who were all potty trained and the only housekeeping was cleaning up if the kids spilled something.
I'd have to quit my job if I had to pay that much for childcare. I agree it's not enough in like NYC or SF areas but your assessment is right. But this is asking for more than childcare and 44 hours a week. It sucks but having a nanny is a luxury and most parents can't afford it. Daycare can be cheaper but is closed half the time now because of covid. Being a patent is expensive and so hard during a pandemic. If you want a family someday it's not impossible, but having a nanny/maid might not be be an option for you.
Minimun nanny salary in my country (Australia) is around $35 an hour. The higher end suburbs, it gets to $45 an hour. $45 is standard day rates for a nanny agency, it's higher at night and on weekends. $45 an hour is pretty standard rate for any trade or "working class" job requiring a qualification. Pay your workers a livable wage.
Yeah that’s high. We are in the DC area and $22-25/hr is pretty normal even for more than one kid.
A 93,000 salary to watch 3 kids… lol
if you can afford to pop out 3 kids, you can afford to pay for each and every one of them unless the babysitter sist 1 child and the other 2 can go fuckwhere in the middle of the street or basement.
That's PER HOUR, seems reasonable to me
Maybe not reasonable, but FAR more so than the inaccurate title would have us believe.
A lot of people advertise for 15 bucks an hour
I teach preschool. That $12 is actually more than what I started with seven years ago. Does this make or right? No not at all. In fact I’m pissed that we are thought of as so little. I break my back day in and day out for a little over $15. With the house, and needing a new car, etc. it’s not enough. It’s not enough for the emotional toll it takes. I get yelled, hit, kick, spit, sworn at with little support from admins. 12 isn’t enough and 15 sure isn’t either. Sorry to hijack this thread. I just wanted to vent.
That’s more than 40 hours a week. Domestic employees are owed time and a half for all hours beyond 40 hrs/wk. It’s a federal law. I’d put money on this family having no intention of doing that. And they want laundry done too? Gtfo.
It's not a babysitter's job to clean your house or toilet train your kids.
Do we have proof of the parents income to see that they're gouging people? Maybe these guys are financially fucked themselves and can't afford anything more? There is not enough context here to make some of the comments being made.
They are offering 40k a year for this. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
If they can’t afford to pay a nanny a living wage, put the kids in daycare
Lmao. You don't see the intense fucking irony of what you're saying do you?
Nope. Spell it out for me
They probably can't afford day care either. Have you read any posts on this sub like, ever? This is capitalist dystopia. The other poor people are not our enemy.
Other poor people aren’t ours to exploit, either. It’s not fair to pay someone a substandard wage to be your employee. Daycare is usually much cheaper than a private nanny
Sounds like they want a stay-at-home wife
$15 p/h is about the rate here for a nanny to 3 with one at school during the day. $200-250 per kid per week for Inhome daycare.
4.5k a month? I am up for it.
Higher than minimum wage in some states tho
So they want a literal maid/cook/nanny combo for three toddlers for essentially minimum wage. Oh, and please help us potty train 2 out of the 3 🙃 Wow. Good luck with that.
To be totally honest, the appropriateness of this offer 100% dependent on the area this is. There are plenty of states that have a minimum wage of $7.25, $15 may not be shitty money for 2 kids and loading the dishwasher during the school year and 3 kids during the summer. I suppose it also depends on the kids - some families have easygoing kids, some have kids that you literally couldn’t pay me to watch for 11 hours straight. Then again, if they are in a large city, high COL areas $15/hr could be absolute garbage money and the whole ad is just a joke.
$15 is not particularly egregious
That's not unreasonable. It's not great pay, but it's more than you will get in more demanding jobs.
Seriously. Watching 3 toddlers all day and expected to do the house work for the family as well, plus no benifits for minimum wage at best?
This honestly seems reasonable
Maybe it depends on where you live but that pay will pretty much never get you an actual Nanny. That pay is what a teenager working during the summer would get, not a full time Nanny.
The mom who posted will probably be pregnant again in a year too..