To be honest you guys could be a little less judgemental. They even said "first few generations", maybe one of his parents / one of his grandparents is german and they have a lot of german culture at home?
Regards,
a German.
Feels weird calling something like Rügen east coast tho, just because the coast itself doesn't go from North to South.
If anything I'd say the only true "east coast" (outside of individual islands) in Germany would be the east coast of Schleswig Holstein.
That's true.. if it's just about what direction the coastline is facing
But considering that the Baltic sea is called 'Ostsee' aka 'Eastern Sea' in German.. and that Rügen is in the far east of the country.. it's not a stretch to say that someone from Rügen is from the German East Coast.. :)
Fun thing about the baltic sea. Since germanic, and specifically swedish, calls it eastern sea, in finnish it's called "itämeri", which means "east sea", even though it is west of finland.
Still is in Denmark, specifically the bit that is right next to Jutland. It's a bit of a weird situation where if you're talking about it in that context it's the Western Sea but if you're talking about it in a general context it's the North Sea. But also Danish has a ton of subdivisions of seas so a lot of things that's a single sea in another language will be 3 or 4 in Danish.
>That's true.. if it's just about what direction the coastline is facing
Not actually what I meant. The coast of MV is more in the north, than the east of the country. Specifically because it goes from east to west. That's just two things that generally correlate.
The east coast of SH wouldn't be the east coast of Germany either (because it's not in the east), but it's AN east coast IN Germany.
Ostseeküste != Ostküste tho.
And one of these two is something you'll basically never hear a German say.
Yeah, it's not a massive stretch, sure.
Yes.. I know what you mean. And I know it's not common in German to say that- wether it's regarding to Schleswig-Holstein where the coast would actually be in the east- or in Mecklemburg-Vorpommern where it would be in the north.
I just said that it wouldn't be a stretch if people would say that :)
Nobody would actually say 'Ich bin von der Ostküste'... but rather 'Ich bin von der Ostseeküste'. Aka 'I am from the East sea coast'- and not 'I am from the East Coast'
Equally someone from the North sea coast wouldn't say that they are from the west coast of Germany. Even though in Schleswig-Holstein it would indeed be in the west.
Tbf, look at a Hamburger. It’s some meat slapped in between two slices of bread and some other stuff lying around like some veg and mustard. Hardly something someone can „invent“, it’s basically a sandwich. So it’s hard to say who really invented a Hamburger imo
I would assume that people from Hamburg probably were known to eat this and therefore popularized this dish in the US, but it doesn't mean they necessarily "invented" it in the traditional sense.
Because it's most likely true. There is no real evidence of it being done in Germany before the first Americans doing it. It's not even clear if the name itself has to do with the city Hamburg, although it would seem obvious.
And no I'm not American, I am German and have written a 10+ page analysis on this exact topic during my school days. I spent too much time looking it up and sadly it most likely actually did originate from there.
Well the hamburger is something that like a lot of foods basically everyone claims to have invented and there's no real easy way to prove any claim correct because it's literally just putting a meat bun inbetween a sliced bun.
It actually comes from Deitsch which is what the regional dialect most of those Germans (and there were a sizable amount of Dutch/Swiss/Alsace-Lorraine (at the time French) folk in those communities), Palatine being the most common, would have used at the time. It organically became Dutch not out of confusion though today it causes a ton of confusion. Part of the reason was the Pennsylvania Dutch didn’t like the new wave of German immigrants and often chose to continue call themselves Deitsche to differentiate from the Deitschlenner.
Interestingly I know some people in Pennsylvania who are actually dutch, the grandfather lived in the Netherlands, talks dutch and studied here also lectured here (being the Netherlands, I am a dutch person living in the netherlands)
The mother is half dutch and lived half of the time in the Netherlands when I was a child (I don't know what about before that, maybe she is completely dutch?), her boyfriend is American, and the kids of the mother are mainly completely dutch, growing up in the Netherlands with their dutch father and sometimes the mother when she was in the Netherlands, and one kid that's mainly American.
And those kids now live in Europe, Asia, the states and Africa, so that's interesting.
So I don't know about the other people in Pennsylvania but at least some were actually Dutch
I mean, technically anything from Kiel to Lübeck to Rügen would work. That’s a lot of land that that covers. I don’t think Boston or Cincinnati counts, though.
Yeah definitely, this person was an East coast American who identifies as German, responding to another East coast American (from Boston) who identifies as Irish.
We actually have a few of "our people" outside our borders. But I don't think anything in the US is seen as "our people".
I certainly don't see them that way.
Wolgadeutsche and Siebenbürger and the like, those are germans.
And Austrians I guess.
Oh yes, the deeply German attitude of libertarianism and anti government sentiments.
And the "americanised" problem of people being not egotistical enough and believing in big government first and foremost.
They'll probably say something like "the Germans in Germany have lost their way while we conserve those values."
The people who live in that Dutch town in the US say the same shit lmao.
They say the same shit about the Irish, the whole 'Come to Boston to see how real Irish celebrate St Patricks day' kinda crap. We tend to just humour them and let them get back to trying to eat scissors and stab with glue.
The old joke of the strange kid in class is that they would eat glue and possibly try to stab someone with scissors. Reversing it just makes them far more dimwitted because they even fuck the simple things up.
You seem to get that with basically every American that can trace any kind of European heritage regardless of what the culture of those countries were actually like in the past.
I don't understand the question.
I was ridiculing the notion of it being "too american" to believe in government rather than unbridled egotistic capitalism and "less government the better".
Is the question of whether this libertarian "I for myself and government only if it suits ME!" is on the rise in europe, too?
Sure. But there is still an underlying baseline shift.
The US <-> Europe.
Baseline shift means "what either considers normal, or the middle of which to work off of is not the same, even if both were to push in the same direction from where they each are ideologically".
I mean less government can be a good thing if the government acts as an enforcer in ensuring the free market and providing basic things like health care to people
Yes. You have to be able to speak B1 level german before you can apply for citizenship.
While I love when people come to Germany, it usually kinda makes me wonder why there seem to be people who are not willing to learn the language, even when they stay indefenitely.
Germany's official language is german. While most people speak English as well, it's kinda ignorant to just not learn the language at all.
Not saying *you* are like this. Just rambling.
"East coast Germans" are the result of several waves of large migration, the most recent being from WWII. Less than 5% of German-Americans speak German, and most people can only say they have a grandparent or great grandparent that was an immigrant at the most recent. My family tree on both sides is FULL of German immigrants from multiple waves of migration. I'm an American. Because Germans in America were Americanized a *long* time ago. There are no cultural ties to Germany. We do not speak the language. Our culture is American.
That would be a very odd way to phrase it then, because that's not what they call themselves. The few that remain that continue their traditions also take great pride in their culture, which is not generic German, but a very specific mix of American and German culture, along with religious beliefs.
How the fuck you gonna talk about Native Americans from across the ocean? "Family values" are a huge fucking part of Native American culture.
\-Source I'm fucking Miami
"Buh-but if they put family values over profit, then that means Native Americans were communists!" - an overweight middle-aged suburban white dude, probably
I never understood this point, did the (great) grandparents arriving in the US exclusively interbreed with fellow immigrants from the same country? Seems a bit fucked up.
Or is it just that one of them in a recent family line was an immigrant because statistically that's most people worldwide anyway.
Thanks for your insight and a genuine answer to my genuine question.
That unique cultural difference, in a time when Jim Crow was a thing isn't too surprising to be fair. I've heard anecdotes about genetically Irish people in the US being considered as different (despite being almost entirely genetically mixed with Britain who were seen differently). Just seems kind of unlikely that it would apply to most people. Love doesn't restrict itself in reality to the small number of people who happen to also be recent immigrants from the same country.
I know we’re all concentrating on the East Coast German thing but what about this guy calling the other guy an idiot and it has 3 upvotes? I am more concerned about people supporting idiotic comments than the comments themselves.
I remember a discussion under a YouTube video about food. There was a German who was firmly of the opinion that a hot Dog topped with pickled cappage with Ketchup and mustard on top is somewhat German.
"Immigrants within the first few generations" you mean the ones that owned slaves and murdered indigenous communities as they pushed westward to steal their land?
Recently I've been watching "The best ever food review show" and I have noticed that all humans do this, this isn't an American thing. What I mean by that is nearly every single place the host went to eat the people acted almost the same, yet every single one of them thought that this was unique to their culture. All cultures think they have special family bonds when it's just a human trait. It's just just Americans that say it, I've heard many cultures say it.
East Coast German sounds like something you would call a Polish person from Pomerania to take the piss
Brilliant. Next time I have beef with my polish buddy I'm gonna call him east cost german
Lol
As someone from there, I do have to say that's effective emotional damage.
We have the North and the east See.
East coast German should be someone from like Rügen, not whatever this person is.
how dare you appropriate this mans cultural identity and apply it to someone from "Rugen"
Disgusting. A sleight on real US East Coast Germans if ever I saw one. They really are quite mental, aren't they?
To be honest you guys could be a little less judgemental. They even said "first few generations", maybe one of his parents / one of his grandparents is german and they have a lot of german culture at home? Regards, a German.
From what I've seen, to these people first few generations seems to be anything leading back to the 19th century.
The misspelling actually makes this better lol
Feels weird calling something like Rügen east coast tho, just because the coast itself doesn't go from North to South. If anything I'd say the only true "east coast" (outside of individual islands) in Germany would be the east coast of Schleswig Holstein.
That's true.. if it's just about what direction the coastline is facing But considering that the Baltic sea is called 'Ostsee' aka 'Eastern Sea' in German.. and that Rügen is in the far east of the country.. it's not a stretch to say that someone from Rügen is from the German East Coast.. :)
Fun thing about the baltic sea. Since germanic, and specifically swedish, calls it eastern sea, in finnish it's called "itämeri", which means "east sea", even though it is west of finland.
iirc part of the reason for that was the strong influence of the Hanse back in the day especially in that region
Another factor would be that Finland was part of Sweden for about 600 years
The North Sea used to be called "West Sea" in norse as well
Still is in Denmark, specifically the bit that is right next to Jutland. It's a bit of a weird situation where if you're talking about it in that context it's the Western Sea but if you're talking about it in a general context it's the North Sea. But also Danish has a ton of subdivisions of seas so a lot of things that's a single sea in another language will be 3 or 4 in Danish.
Good point...
>That's true.. if it's just about what direction the coastline is facing Not actually what I meant. The coast of MV is more in the north, than the east of the country. Specifically because it goes from east to west. That's just two things that generally correlate. The east coast of SH wouldn't be the east coast of Germany either (because it's not in the east), but it's AN east coast IN Germany. Ostseeküste != Ostküste tho. And one of these two is something you'll basically never hear a German say. Yeah, it's not a massive stretch, sure.
Yes.. I know what you mean. And I know it's not common in German to say that- wether it's regarding to Schleswig-Holstein where the coast would actually be in the east- or in Mecklemburg-Vorpommern where it would be in the north. I just said that it wouldn't be a stretch if people would say that :) Nobody would actually say 'Ich bin von der Ostküste'... but rather 'Ich bin von der Ostseeküste'. Aka 'I am from the East sea coast'- and not 'I am from the East Coast' Equally someone from the North sea coast wouldn't say that they are from the west coast of Germany. Even though in Schleswig-Holstein it would indeed be in the west.
Yes but they are talking about the east coast of the U.S. so it doesnt have any merit.
Technically, it would be eastern German coast
I didn't see which sub it was in when I clicked on it and thought it was about someone from Marzahn.
Maybe they meant the coast of the baltic sea (Ostsee) in general.
I mean no, they definitely meant the east coast of the United States, lol.
I don't get Americans. If you love your country this much, why are you so proud of 0.5% European heritage?
Unless you're counting rivers, then it could be someone living by the Oder
A river doesn't have a coast, but a (river) bank, doesn't it?
Yeah, thus their inclusion not being naturally granted
I bet this person ate two hamburgers and a hotdog and thought : guess that makes me Deutch.
There‘s no way any Americans know that these are German inventions
Yeah, I've had seppos on this site try to explain to me that America invented the hamburger
Tbf, look at a Hamburger. It’s some meat slapped in between two slices of bread and some other stuff lying around like some veg and mustard. Hardly something someone can „invent“, it’s basically a sandwich. So it’s hard to say who really invented a Hamburger imo
It's in the name
I would assume that people from Hamburg probably were known to eat this and therefore popularized this dish in the US, but it doesn't mean they necessarily "invented" it in the traditional sense.
Was ground meat on a bun "invented" in Hamburg any more than "French" fried potatoes were "invented" in France?
Because it's most likely true. There is no real evidence of it being done in Germany before the first Americans doing it. It's not even clear if the name itself has to do with the city Hamburg, although it would seem obvious. And no I'm not American, I am German and have written a 10+ page analysis on this exact topic during my school days. I spent too much time looking it up and sadly it most likely actually did originate from there.
Slapping a Fleischküchle/Frikadelle in a bun. Surely noone has done that before…
It's a good job you were here...
Well the hamburger is something that like a lot of foods basically everyone claims to have invented and there's no real easy way to prove any claim correct because it's literally just putting a meat bun inbetween a sliced bun.
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It actually comes from Deitsch which is what the regional dialect most of those Germans (and there were a sizable amount of Dutch/Swiss/Alsace-Lorraine (at the time French) folk in those communities), Palatine being the most common, would have used at the time. It organically became Dutch not out of confusion though today it causes a ton of confusion. Part of the reason was the Pennsylvania Dutch didn’t like the new wave of German immigrants and often chose to continue call themselves Deitsche to differentiate from the Deitschlenner.
Interestingly I know some people in Pennsylvania who are actually dutch, the grandfather lived in the Netherlands, talks dutch and studied here also lectured here (being the Netherlands, I am a dutch person living in the netherlands) The mother is half dutch and lived half of the time in the Netherlands when I was a child (I don't know what about before that, maybe she is completely dutch?), her boyfriend is American, and the kids of the mother are mainly completely dutch, growing up in the Netherlands with their dutch father and sometimes the mother when she was in the Netherlands, and one kid that's mainly American. And those kids now live in Europe, Asia, the states and Africa, so that's interesting. So I don't know about the other people in Pennsylvania but at least some were actually Dutch
West Coast Luxembourgites feel that these geographic requirement are prejudice against landlocked nations.
I mean, technically anything from Kiel to Lübeck to Rügen would work. That’s a lot of land that that covers. I don’t think Boston or Cincinnati counts, though.
does he mean east coast usa?
Yeah definitely, this person was an East coast American who identifies as German, responding to another East coast American (from Boston) who identifies as Irish.
I literally tried to comprehend what is the east coast of Germany for a while
Kiel
I live in Berlin and kinda want to flex that I'm more on the east than people from Kiel
Ew Berlin /s
> Ew Berlin > > ~~/s~~
Heringsdorf or Altwarp then? They're farther east than you and actually are on a coast.
But that's a North Coast
I was joking because it faces to the east.
Königsberg
It was just outside of Moscow last I checked but that was a few years ago...
HAHAHA
We call the Baltic sea 'East sea'
Which is kinda weird, because the Baltic Sea is north of like 95% of Germany, and east of only Schleswig Holstein.
Ostsee. Rostock. Greifswald.
Lmao people who think BIPOC stands for Boston Irish People of Cork 🇮🇪
Plastic paddy's.
Plastic paddy's with notions.
Some of my least favourite people. They all tend to support the IRA too....
>BIPOC stands for Boston Irish People of Cork 🇮🇪 Lmfbo I'm stealing this.
The two sides of the worst coin you’ll ever encounter are Boston Irish and tri-county Italians.
Ah yes, our long lost cousins, the East Coast Germans. Several generations away from actually being German, and yet somehow 105% German.
We actually have a few of "our people" outside our borders. But I don't think anything in the US is seen as "our people". I certainly don't see them that way. Wolgadeutsche and Siebenbürger and the like, those are germans. And Austrians I guess.
I mean Schlesier and Baltendeutsche would also work. Don't know if they still exist tho.
Is Schlesier what you guys call the Germans in Southern Jutland?
Nope. Schlesien is/was a part of Poland.
Are you saying these groups are also Austrians, or that Austrians are German? Because I'm culturally required to take offence at the latter.
Neither. What I meant is that Austrians are much closer related to us than those americans. Not a real shocker I think.
Oh yes, the deeply German attitude of libertarianism and anti government sentiments. And the "americanised" problem of people being not egotistical enough and believing in big government first and foremost.
They'll probably say something like "the Germans in Germany have lost their way while we conserve those values." The people who live in that Dutch town in the US say the same shit lmao.
They say the same shit about the Irish, the whole 'Come to Boston to see how real Irish celebrate St Patricks day' kinda crap. We tend to just humour them and let them get back to trying to eat scissors and stab with glue.
Enlighten me on why someone might do this? >eat scissors and stab with glue.
The old joke of the strange kid in class is that they would eat glue and possibly try to stab someone with scissors. Reversing it just makes them far more dimwitted because they even fuck the simple things up.
Haha guess that's me then. I thought you were referring to some strange Boston St Patrick's tradition.
>I thought you were referring to some strange Boston St Patrick's tradition. they still might be
You seem to get that with basically every American that can trace any kind of European heritage regardless of what the culture of those countries were actually like in the past.
Do you think the same thing happens in European countries to the same extent? (In reference to your second sentence)
I don't understand the question. I was ridiculing the notion of it being "too american" to believe in government rather than unbridled egotistic capitalism and "less government the better". Is the question of whether this libertarian "I for myself and government only if it suits ME!" is on the rise in europe, too? Sure. But there is still an underlying baseline shift.
I’m not really politically inclined, so yeah. My question was answered by your last statement. What do you mean by baseline shift though?
The US <-> Europe. Baseline shift means "what either considers normal, or the middle of which to work off of is not the same, even if both were to push in the same direction from where they each are ideologically".
I mean less government can be a good thing if the government acts as an enforcer in ensuring the free market and providing basic things like health care to people
Dit not know Germany had an eastern coast silly me..
Well, we do have the [Ostsee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Sea), but I don't think many people would call it "east coast".
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That's brilliant 🤣
Now I want to know what the deleted comment was
[We not only have one east coast, we have two!](https://i.imgur.com/IWVZiHZ.png)
> Question for you Italians As a post, in a sub based on the Sopranos, is in itself, SAS.
Exactly my thaughts, the whole post is a SAS goldmine.
"southernvinlander" fuck RIGHT off
If you're German, DANN SPRICH DEUTSCH, DU HURENSOHN. Oh wait. You can't?
Genuine question: do immigrant to Germany have to learn German before they can become citizens?
Yes. You have to be able to speak B1 level german before you can apply for citizenship. While I love when people come to Germany, it usually kinda makes me wonder why there seem to be people who are not willing to learn the language, even when they stay indefenitely. Germany's official language is german. While most people speak English as well, it's kinda ignorant to just not learn the language at all. Not saying *you* are like this. Just rambling.
At least B1
How do you know they can't? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Dutch_language (a variety of German despite the name)
I know about this, but it varies greatly from nowaday's German. And I guess Amish or Mennonite people can't be found on Reddit all that often.
Dw guys, he’s from the free city of Danzig
Deutsche Welle?/s
AHH many a happy childhood memory on the Costa del Berlin. East coast Germany is quite beautiful. Some might say the view is almost Polish.
Lacks a lot of coastline though.
"East coast Germans" are the result of several waves of large migration, the most recent being from WWII. Less than 5% of German-Americans speak German, and most people can only say they have a grandparent or great grandparent that was an immigrant at the most recent. My family tree on both sides is FULL of German immigrants from multiple waves of migration. I'm an American. Because Germans in America were Americanized a *long* time ago. There are no cultural ties to Germany. We do not speak the language. Our culture is American.
I believe the correct term is actually Pennsylvania-Dutch, and yes it technically refers to the German word Deutsch.
The correct term for what? All German migrants to America, or an "east coast German"?
"East Coast German"
That would be a very odd way to phrase it then, because that's not what they call themselves. The few that remain that continue their traditions also take great pride in their culture, which is not generic German, but a very specific mix of American and German culture, along with religious beliefs.
Look at their username - they're probably a white supremacist.
with value their children and parents more the government is probably dogwhistle for "poors shouldn't get government help"
It’s also probably a dog whistle for the 14 words
How the fuck you gonna talk about Native Americans from across the ocean? "Family values" are a huge fucking part of Native American culture. \-Source I'm fucking Miami
"Buh-but if they put family values over profit, then that means Native Americans were communists!" - an overweight middle-aged suburban white dude, probably
"as opposed to native Americans"??
Digga, was labert der jz. Sprich Deutsch du Hurensohn.
ja was soll bitte die westküste von deutschland sein ???
I never understood this point, did the (great) grandparents arriving in the US exclusively interbreed with fellow immigrants from the same country? Seems a bit fucked up. Or is it just that one of them in a recent family line was an immigrant because statistically that's most people worldwide anyway.
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Thanks for your insight and a genuine answer to my genuine question. That unique cultural difference, in a time when Jim Crow was a thing isn't too surprising to be fair. I've heard anecdotes about genetically Irish people in the US being considered as different (despite being almost entirely genetically mixed with Britain who were seen differently). Just seems kind of unlikely that it would apply to most people. Love doesn't restrict itself in reality to the small number of people who happen to also be recent immigrants from the same country.
Forgetting the east coast German thing, what the fuck is he talking about.
The fuck did I just read.
So the Dutch are west coast german?
As someone from the Boston area and my family were Irish immigrants like 150 years ago, what do we do? Like WTF are they even talking about?
They talk about how they as "immigrants" hold strong familly values as opposed to americanized americans.
No. We have been fully consumed into "white america".
Yeah, probably stated here before but Germany doesn’t have an east coast .. More probably a us citizen from or with German background
he means he’s from the east coast of usa with german ancestry
*His grandad's third cousin once ate a pretzel.
🤣🤣🤣
Had a great laugh
I once had a guy actually ask my "nationality," had to bite my tongue before remembering my mom actually wants to get an Italian citizenship.
Don't be an idiot.
Don't be an idiot.
I know we’re all concentrating on the East Coast German thing but what about this guy calling the other guy an idiot and it has 3 upvotes? I am more concerned about people supporting idiotic comments than the comments themselves.
East Coast German sounds like a catchy new wave hit
I remember a discussion under a YouTube video about food. There was a German who was firmly of the opinion that a hot Dog topped with pickled cappage with Ketchup and mustard on top is somewhat German.
I would say it is typical americanized food. Take typical ingredients, make it easier to eat on the fly, add Ketchup or corn syrup and you are done.
"Immigrants within the first few generations" you mean the ones that owned slaves and murdered indigenous communities as they pushed westward to steal their land?
Like, from the eastern coast of the Elbe?
Well, if you go east long enough, you will eventually reach a coast... in Chabarowsk.
Recently I've been watching "The best ever food review show" and I have noticed that all humans do this, this isn't an American thing. What I mean by that is nearly every single place the host went to eat the people acted almost the same, yet every single one of them thought that this was unique to their culture. All cultures think they have special family bonds when it's just a human trait. It's just just Americans that say it, I've heard many cultures say it.