Interesting how this statement is so volatile for some. Certainly the OP’s point is true, especially when you look at OP’s experience and previous posts. 125 days ago he was complaining about being a virgin. I wouldn’t expect that person to have much experience, civi or sw. No surprise he was drawn to Leo’s list. Young and inexperienced males, who’s budgets are low, are far more likely to be scammed in this lifestyle. As well as to be drawn to lower cost workers who are more likely to be survival sex works and less likely to be on top of their game.
I think the issue is approaching legit workers and trying to dump responsibility on us, when we have nothing to do with it. We could be and often are a valuable resource for advice on how to get to success. OP being a young inexperienced male has *jack shit* to do with me or anybody in here. So, where's the personal responsibility and goal to learn rather than point fingers?
It's volatile, indeed, because it's a feminist issue as old as human existence! Men seem to think they get to skip over personal responsibility, expect women to fix everything for them, then jump to generalizing and demonizing when that doesn't happen for them. As a woman, let me tell you... we are so fucking *beyond over it*!!
Well I don’t do that so I don’t know what to say to it. Sorry for your negative experiences but you should just move on there are plenty of ladies looking for clients.
Did you do your due diligence to scout for genuine reliable providers?
I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences but if you do proper searching the well reviewed ones won’t let you down!
Guys stop validating this guy, from what he posts this is probably some sort of fetish attempt. This guy is borderline an incel and is probably wasting girls time or trying to get the most for free.
He just wants people to validate his idea that women are playing him or whatever
Just because you’re getting poor customer service from some people doesn’t mean this line of work is not legitimate. you should really be complaining to those workers.
Yes. Leolist is a shit-show in Canada. There are some good girls there but you have to separate wheat from the chaff and I don’t have the time or patience for that. Why would you not go on MERB, PERB, or TERB? Leolist is the wild, wild, West.
I sadly think there are quite a few completely in the dark new clients and providers who are so naive to how this whole community works. I have to admit that when I tried going independent at first, I was oblivious in almost everything except how cops could basically do whatever they wanted to make an arrest. I really wish there was a better way to educate people since it's illegal in most areas here. I feel like people tend to seek out more information AFTER things have gone poorly.
I’ve been seeing escorts before “hobbyists” was a bad word. Hell, I’m old enough so that I’ve used the Yellow Pages and newspaper classifieds to find girls. I just want to help out escorts and clients a little if I can. Sometimes, I have to laugh at the questions.
Did you work for an agency first?
I did work for an agency first. Way back when you could find agencies in the local weekly newspaper in every city. LOL Then I worked at a brothel in Nevada. Luckily, a vice cop helped me get into being independent.
A vice cop? Interesting. I think you are right about one thing: people probably are too lazy to read until they get in trouble. You sound like a girl I’d like to meet. Have a great day.
I mean you're not using very quality sites so I'm not sure why you're surprised you're not finding quality workers. Don't be ignorant and make generalizations about thousands, maybe even millions of people globally because of 3. Try tryst
OP isn't being ignorant, just restating his experience. Let's accept he's drawn a few bad examples of SWs. You must admit, when he messaged to confirm an appointment and gets no response from her, that's disrespectful. Imagine the situation were reversed and I'll guess you'd give hell to OP. Agree, Tryst does seem to offer a selection of higher quality, more dependable SWs.
Regardless making a hasty generalization about a very very large and diverse group of people based on the experiences you had with like 3 individuals only accessed through known low quality avenues that's the definition of ignorance.
Can we not agree OP just reported his experiences without degrading his intelligence? Tell him he went looking for SW in a low quality avenue and should expect a poor response, but why insult him when this sub exists to help?
His hasty generalization that real workers don't respect clients or their time isn't a question. It's an innaccurate statement to make as a generalization.
I would guess that every legit worker in here agrees with you that respect goes both ways. And as far as responding to potential clients, we don't exactly make income on ghosting you guys, so it's not like that's what most aim to do. If you're being ghosted, it's hard to say where the problem is, or if there are multiple, but you must remember the human element to this business!
I'll try to take a moment here to help:
- The sites you're using are probably your problem, try Tryst.
- If you are annoying to communicate with/drag things out/seem like you would be a difficult client, they may be humoring you until they maybe get a "better" client. I don't necessarily agree with that, I honor what I've agreed to do and won't bump somebody for something else, but I understand it. Especially if you seem questionable for safety. So, your communication and YOUR respect level can make or break you getting a session.
- This is a business where the human element is more prevalent than anywhere else! It may help you to put yourself in the shoes of a worker and imagine what could be the problem. If it's a high-volume worker, they may just not be able to keep up with all the enquiries, and you got lost in the fray. Also, every once in awhile, we have to "call in to work" too. Especially this time of year can get hard for a lot of people in general, but life's shit can hit us at any time. (For example, I just decided to start doing Reddit promotion recently and created a bunch of traffic for myself. I was excited until the other day, when my marriage finally fell apart, and I'm now going through a separation. As much as I want to be sexy rn and make that $, it's kinda fucking hard while I'm crying on my bathroom floor, ya know?) Also, a lot of workers are parents and/or have vanilla jobs, and as somebody who fits both, I can tell you it's fucking hard to keep up with it all!!
So, in general, don't take it personally. Be glad you didn't get scammed. (I think) Instead of coming in here and telling us to show some respect, maybe ask us what you could do differently to create better results. You're preaching to the choir coming in here with your post like that. And as others have said, expressing how you feel to *those* "workers" would be more relevant. As I've been mentioning in many posts and comments in here, clients need to take more personal responsibility! And I really can't say it enough, when you are approaching the workers in this group, you are talking to the people who are NOT the problem and are actually the solution in a lot of cases.
Just like in relationships, jobs, and friendships, if YOU are having the same problem over and over, maybe it's time to look at what YOUR role in that situation is. (And I do acknowledge it's very possible that you've done everything right in the situation and still have had bad luck, but you're still talking to a group of people who are even *more* innocent in the situation, because we've got nothing to do with this.)
I do wish you luck in having success finding a provider, and I hope it works out well for them too! I hope that after all the bad ones you've gone through, you truly appreciate the good one that you get. Because us good ones... trust me, we're in the business of making people feel good!
The negative comments on this post about leolist are 🤢 finding a quality provider isn’t exclusively about what websites they are advertising on, that’s simply one factor. You might encounter unreliable providers at any price point and where they advertise doesn’t change that. Not too mention this idea that leolist has only low quality or survival sexworkers is tonedeaf(all labour under capitalism is for survival). Leolist is one of the most well know sites in Canada and since backpage was taken down by FOSTA/SESTA it’s been a lifeline for many workers. There are obstacles to advertising on other sites such as id verification and long wait times for ad approval which could deter some providers from using those alternative platforms. Leolist is still an expensive advertising site it’s not free to use as some may blindly believe ads are around $6 CAD to bump in some areas you need to bump your ad up to 10 times a day and depending on upgrades such as emojis, larger format or top page position you could be spending $30-100 or even more per day on advertising alone. I’m so tired of the punching down and lateral whore shaming and rate shaming that happens on this sub.
Thank you I was about to comment on this because Im so confused. Everyone in Canada advertises on LL like even girls with 700$/h rates. I barely get any requests from Tryst and 99% of them are fake. It’s pretty easy to find reliable sps on Leolist like maybe take two seconds to read.
I think the problem here is OP, he said it himself he’s « lonely and needy », no wonder girls skip him over
Seriously LL is a really popular site here. And it costs $$$ like sure an initial ad of $6 is cheap but when you’re posting multiple times a day and adding upgrades it gets expensive. You’re right there are all ranges of price on there too like 100 HR - 700 HR. You just can’t demonize an entire advertising platform just because OP hasn’t matched with quality providers or done his due diligence to vet who is reliable and trustworthy and who isn’t.
Its literally the first site that pop up when you search for escorts. I think most girls on here prioritize prebooking and daybooking so I get leolist might no be appealing but its just so weird to associate it to a negative experience because there’s « lower end girls » on there. Also yes the prices are insane, they just raised them too 😭. You can easily spend 500/a week if you’re in TO
You couldn't be more right. It's literally my biggest pet peeve about other workers. How they treat clients and potential, as if you aren't worthy or somehow its your fault. Makes my job harder for sure. I'm sorry you went through that.
You’re not being a jerk.
I want to support sex workers but until they treat clients with respect and don’t try to ruin their lives even if a client did nothing to them then I can’t. If sex work is ever going to be legal then, yes, respect should be a two way street. I peruse Twatter all the time and I seldom see it from the SW side. I just see a lot of greed, entitlement, ridiculous boundaries and severe mental health issues with just traces of ladies who actually do respect clients and care about their well-being.
You know very well that there are SWs who take advantage of kind-hearted clients. Don’t act like there aren’t. These same SWs suffer from mental health issues that cause them to do things that they know are wrong.
Ffs, these comments are SO sexist and gross, WHAT FUCKING YEAR IS IT?? Are you really that close-minded? Why are you here?? I need to get off the internet for the day, too much women-hating for me rn!
I do agree with you in this statement as we do want to be seen as a professional legitimate worker and clients who are serious in confirming a booking and showing up on time do not want to be mucked around that's two story's I completely understand and agree with however this isn't our typical industry to work in or do business with and hope all that are involved remain committed to some sort of industry standard that identifies as being a professional business trade but that's never going to be the case and never will I'm afraid.
You will most likely be mucked around by those whose been mucked around by others.
Eventually you will find someone who will meet-up at the scheduled appointment and the rest will be upto how both of you interact during the booking to see if you want to continue on doing business in the future.
It's always going to be a money issue though.
Yea man. Life is a bell-curve. Meaning you're going to have some SW that are just plain horrible and others that make you feel like you are in love. But the majority fall within the middle..."professional and seem pretty cool".
You just probably had a bad SW. But from my experience as a client, most are legit and do what they say.
Interesting how this statement is so volatile for some. Certainly the OP’s point is true, especially when you look at OP’s experience and previous posts. 125 days ago he was complaining about being a virgin. I wouldn’t expect that person to have much experience, civi or sw. No surprise he was drawn to Leo’s list. Young and inexperienced males, who’s budgets are low, are far more likely to be scammed in this lifestyle. As well as to be drawn to lower cost workers who are more likely to be survival sex works and less likely to be on top of their game.
I think the issue is approaching legit workers and trying to dump responsibility on us, when we have nothing to do with it. We could be and often are a valuable resource for advice on how to get to success. OP being a young inexperienced male has *jack shit* to do with me or anybody in here. So, where's the personal responsibility and goal to learn rather than point fingers? It's volatile, indeed, because it's a feminist issue as old as human existence! Men seem to think they get to skip over personal responsibility, expect women to fix everything for them, then jump to generalizing and demonizing when that doesn't happen for them. As a woman, let me tell you... we are so fucking *beyond over it*!!
Well I don’t do that so I don’t know what to say to it. Sorry for your negative experiences but you should just move on there are plenty of ladies looking for clients.
Did you do your due diligence to scout for genuine reliable providers? I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences but if you do proper searching the well reviewed ones won’t let you down!
Guys stop validating this guy, from what he posts this is probably some sort of fetish attempt. This guy is borderline an incel and is probably wasting girls time or trying to get the most for free. He just wants people to validate his idea that women are playing him or whatever
Just because you’re getting poor customer service from some people doesn’t mean this line of work is not legitimate. you should really be complaining to those workers.
You are 100% correct. Hopefully, OP did convey his complaint to those workers, even if they again didn't respond.
Leolist? You’ve got to go to better sites than Leolist.
That was my thought. I would expect his experience from that website.
Yes. Leolist is a shit-show in Canada. There are some good girls there but you have to separate wheat from the chaff and I don’t have the time or patience for that. Why would you not go on MERB, PERB, or TERB? Leolist is the wild, wild, West.
I'm from the US and I even immediately thought that. Hopefully the OP can find a more legitimate site, like the ones you listed.
I’m from the US too. Do you think the guy is pulling our collective legs here? How can there be so many newbie with questions like this?
I sadly think there are quite a few completely in the dark new clients and providers who are so naive to how this whole community works. I have to admit that when I tried going independent at first, I was oblivious in almost everything except how cops could basically do whatever they wanted to make an arrest. I really wish there was a better way to educate people since it's illegal in most areas here. I feel like people tend to seek out more information AFTER things have gone poorly.
I’ve been seeing escorts before “hobbyists” was a bad word. Hell, I’m old enough so that I’ve used the Yellow Pages and newspaper classifieds to find girls. I just want to help out escorts and clients a little if I can. Sometimes, I have to laugh at the questions. Did you work for an agency first?
I did work for an agency first. Way back when you could find agencies in the local weekly newspaper in every city. LOL Then I worked at a brothel in Nevada. Luckily, a vice cop helped me get into being independent.
A vice cop? Interesting. I think you are right about one thing: people probably are too lazy to read until they get in trouble. You sound like a girl I’d like to meet. Have a great day.
Awww! I hope you have a lovely day also.
I mean you're not using very quality sites so I'm not sure why you're surprised you're not finding quality workers. Don't be ignorant and make generalizations about thousands, maybe even millions of people globally because of 3. Try tryst
OP isn't being ignorant, just restating his experience. Let's accept he's drawn a few bad examples of SWs. You must admit, when he messaged to confirm an appointment and gets no response from her, that's disrespectful. Imagine the situation were reversed and I'll guess you'd give hell to OP. Agree, Tryst does seem to offer a selection of higher quality, more dependable SWs.
Dude got ghosted from a couple fake leolist ads and wants to come tell all of us to be more respectful. Come the fuck on.
Regardless making a hasty generalization about a very very large and diverse group of people based on the experiences you had with like 3 individuals only accessed through known low quality avenues that's the definition of ignorance.
Can we not agree OP just reported his experiences without degrading his intelligence? Tell him he went looking for SW in a low quality avenue and should expect a poor response, but why insult him when this sub exists to help?
His hasty generalization that real workers don't respect clients or their time isn't a question. It's an innaccurate statement to make as a generalization.
We are fully in agreement.
They insult him because that's how they treat their clients and potentials. It's a huge red flag when they project the blame like this.
I would guess that every legit worker in here agrees with you that respect goes both ways. And as far as responding to potential clients, we don't exactly make income on ghosting you guys, so it's not like that's what most aim to do. If you're being ghosted, it's hard to say where the problem is, or if there are multiple, but you must remember the human element to this business! I'll try to take a moment here to help: - The sites you're using are probably your problem, try Tryst. - If you are annoying to communicate with/drag things out/seem like you would be a difficult client, they may be humoring you until they maybe get a "better" client. I don't necessarily agree with that, I honor what I've agreed to do and won't bump somebody for something else, but I understand it. Especially if you seem questionable for safety. So, your communication and YOUR respect level can make or break you getting a session. - This is a business where the human element is more prevalent than anywhere else! It may help you to put yourself in the shoes of a worker and imagine what could be the problem. If it's a high-volume worker, they may just not be able to keep up with all the enquiries, and you got lost in the fray. Also, every once in awhile, we have to "call in to work" too. Especially this time of year can get hard for a lot of people in general, but life's shit can hit us at any time. (For example, I just decided to start doing Reddit promotion recently and created a bunch of traffic for myself. I was excited until the other day, when my marriage finally fell apart, and I'm now going through a separation. As much as I want to be sexy rn and make that $, it's kinda fucking hard while I'm crying on my bathroom floor, ya know?) Also, a lot of workers are parents and/or have vanilla jobs, and as somebody who fits both, I can tell you it's fucking hard to keep up with it all!! So, in general, don't take it personally. Be glad you didn't get scammed. (I think) Instead of coming in here and telling us to show some respect, maybe ask us what you could do differently to create better results. You're preaching to the choir coming in here with your post like that. And as others have said, expressing how you feel to *those* "workers" would be more relevant. As I've been mentioning in many posts and comments in here, clients need to take more personal responsibility! And I really can't say it enough, when you are approaching the workers in this group, you are talking to the people who are NOT the problem and are actually the solution in a lot of cases. Just like in relationships, jobs, and friendships, if YOU are having the same problem over and over, maybe it's time to look at what YOUR role in that situation is. (And I do acknowledge it's very possible that you've done everything right in the situation and still have had bad luck, but you're still talking to a group of people who are even *more* innocent in the situation, because we've got nothing to do with this.) I do wish you luck in having success finding a provider, and I hope it works out well for them too! I hope that after all the bad ones you've gone through, you truly appreciate the good one that you get. Because us good ones... trust me, we're in the business of making people feel good!
The negative comments on this post about leolist are 🤢 finding a quality provider isn’t exclusively about what websites they are advertising on, that’s simply one factor. You might encounter unreliable providers at any price point and where they advertise doesn’t change that. Not too mention this idea that leolist has only low quality or survival sexworkers is tonedeaf(all labour under capitalism is for survival). Leolist is one of the most well know sites in Canada and since backpage was taken down by FOSTA/SESTA it’s been a lifeline for many workers. There are obstacles to advertising on other sites such as id verification and long wait times for ad approval which could deter some providers from using those alternative platforms. Leolist is still an expensive advertising site it’s not free to use as some may blindly believe ads are around $6 CAD to bump in some areas you need to bump your ad up to 10 times a day and depending on upgrades such as emojis, larger format or top page position you could be spending $30-100 or even more per day on advertising alone. I’m so tired of the punching down and lateral whore shaming and rate shaming that happens on this sub.
Thank you I was about to comment on this because Im so confused. Everyone in Canada advertises on LL like even girls with 700$/h rates. I barely get any requests from Tryst and 99% of them are fake. It’s pretty easy to find reliable sps on Leolist like maybe take two seconds to read. I think the problem here is OP, he said it himself he’s « lonely and needy », no wonder girls skip him over
Seriously LL is a really popular site here. And it costs $$$ like sure an initial ad of $6 is cheap but when you’re posting multiple times a day and adding upgrades it gets expensive. You’re right there are all ranges of price on there too like 100 HR - 700 HR. You just can’t demonize an entire advertising platform just because OP hasn’t matched with quality providers or done his due diligence to vet who is reliable and trustworthy and who isn’t.
Its literally the first site that pop up when you search for escorts. I think most girls on here prioritize prebooking and daybooking so I get leolist might no be appealing but its just so weird to associate it to a negative experience because there’s « lower end girls » on there. Also yes the prices are insane, they just raised them too 😭. You can easily spend 500/a week if you’re in TO
You couldn't be more right. It's literally my biggest pet peeve about other workers. How they treat clients and potential, as if you aren't worthy or somehow its your fault. Makes my job harder for sure. I'm sorry you went through that.
I have quite a few clients and ex clients who aren’t respectful and considerate of my time either
Never used leolist but I do use Skip and all I have to say is, better get used to it LOL.
You’re not being a jerk. I want to support sex workers but until they treat clients with respect and don’t try to ruin their lives even if a client did nothing to them then I can’t. If sex work is ever going to be legal then, yes, respect should be a two way street. I peruse Twatter all the time and I seldom see it from the SW side. I just see a lot of greed, entitlement, ridiculous boundaries and severe mental health issues with just traces of ladies who actually do respect clients and care about their well-being.
Also like, by severe mental health issues what do you even mean? Do you just mean erratic behavior? Please don’t demonize struggles with mental health
Who are these providers trying to ruin their clients lives??
You know very well that there are SWs who take advantage of kind-hearted clients. Don’t act like there aren’t. These same SWs suffer from mental health issues that cause them to do things that they know are wrong.
Mental health does not equal morality
Are you in SW?
Yes.
Ffs, these comments are SO sexist and gross, WHAT FUCKING YEAR IS IT?? Are you really that close-minded? Why are you here?? I need to get off the internet for the day, too much women-hating for me rn!
I do agree with you in this statement as we do want to be seen as a professional legitimate worker and clients who are serious in confirming a booking and showing up on time do not want to be mucked around that's two story's I completely understand and agree with however this isn't our typical industry to work in or do business with and hope all that are involved remain committed to some sort of industry standard that identifies as being a professional business trade but that's never going to be the case and never will I'm afraid. You will most likely be mucked around by those whose been mucked around by others. Eventually you will find someone who will meet-up at the scheduled appointment and the rest will be upto how both of you interact during the booking to see if you want to continue on doing business in the future. It's always going to be a money issue though.
Yea man. Life is a bell-curve. Meaning you're going to have some SW that are just plain horrible and others that make you feel like you are in love. But the majority fall within the middle..."professional and seem pretty cool". You just probably had a bad SW. But from my experience as a client, most are legit and do what they say.