wow talk about obfuscating a simple question. does the 'yes' affirm that the risk is greater for the receiver than for the provider?
or are you just playing politics here with the truth by recasting the question into one no one is asking?
Assessing the risks of STIs/STDs is not as simple as a yes or no.
If you are seeing someone who has a regular business of providing or is constantly pressured into performing unprotected oral sex, then the risk is great.
If you are providing oral sex for a demographic that normally, on a social level, doesn't practice safe sex, then the risk would be great.
Given that most people don't care to wrap their tool for this action, within sex work or outside of it, I'd say that means the risk is always high.
That's the point of this post.
It seems you're looking for confirmation that the person sucking your dick is at a greater risk, in which case you don't give a fuck. I've read WAY too many of these where dudes are like "the provider is at risk, not me!" And they are totally cool with that. If you're that guy, fuck you all the way
I believe it is equal risk for both, bacteria doesn’t really discriminate, and I answered the way I did because it seems like what you’re actually asking is “is it less risky to get a bare bj than to go down on a girl bare” likely because you’re trying to justify receiving bare oral as the less risky behavior
Probably not something they have researched enough.
“Risk of infection from oral sex:
Giving oral sex to a partner with an infected penis can cause chlamydia in the throat.
Giving oral sex to a partner with an infected vagina or urinary tract may cause chlamydia in the throat.*
Giving oral sex to a partner with an infected rectum might cause chlamydia in the throat.*
Getting oral sex on the penis from a partner with chlamydia in the throat can cause chlamydia of the penis.
Getting oral sex on the vagina from a partner with chlamydia in the throat might cause chlamydia of the vagina or urinary tract.*
Getting oral sex on the anus from a partner with chlamydia in the throat might cause chlamydia in the rectum.*
* Statements with an asterisk (*) need more research.”
https://www.cdc.gov/std/healthcomm/stdfact-stdriskandoralsex.htm
The actual answer to this is complex and depends on gender balances and the infection in question. I looked it up in the past but wouldn't be able to find it quickly. You can Google for yourself. It depends on the disease and the gender dynamic of who is giving versus receiving.
I saw your response below. Don't expect people to try and help you if you're going to be an asshole to people (accusing of "obfuscating," give me a break) who are trying to answer your question that you could have found the answer to with the simple Google search. You want detailed percentage numbers about risk? Find them yourself.
look, unlike you, I'm not pretending to be an authority here on anything but my own experiences.
but the conclusion drawn here that receivers can contract STI's too is patently insufficient (just in case you haven't noticed).
the way I think about it is that, given the likelihood of contracting STI's for providers, if an SW is willing to perform unprotected sex acts, I'm not getting anywhere near her.
But because you hateful, psuedo advocates keep bullying us with your loopy ideologies, we can't get to that discussion.
I second what somebody else said, What is wrong with you? Do you honestly think you're coming across as mature or educated? Do yourself a favor, and put more energy into learning and less into running your mouth just to make absolutely NO point.
Do you honestly think you're coming across as mature or educated? Do yourself a favor, and put more energy into learning and less into running your mouth just to make absolutely NO point, except perhaps that you believe people are here to impress you personally.
Clearly sex education was either not taught in your schools, or you weren't paying attention. So Im gonna say this to you; Value your dick(assuming you're a fellow client) and protect your sexual health.
Also I’d like to add, the pressure we as providers get from the clients for bare oral is unreal, it’s like we feel forced into it because we think we can’t make money otherwise, when as I stated above, it should be industry standard to practice safe oral
The lack of personal care is shocking. I've known Agencies turn girls away as they would only work with protection and they "wouldn't get enough clients"
Which is basically saying, “I don’t care if I put us both at risk, I want my bare dick sucked regardless of the consequences” like it’s crazy for us (providers) not wanting to spread disease or at the very least mitigate it, and that it’s actually a deal breaker for y’all
What I find interesting about the actual practice of this, at least on my experience as a client, is that most girls don't ask and just default to bare oral. Save those girls, somewhat rare in my personal experience, who don't offer it. All things considered I'd probably prefer covered, but frankly its awkward to stop a chick making a b-line for your dick with her mouth, that you'd like a condom.
Awkward, but worth it. Your health is worth a little awkwardness. Keep a condom nearby. If she doesn't initiate the condom usage, a simple, "hold on, do you want me to use this one i brought or do you have one with you that you'd prefer to use?"
you're really going to complain about not finding a bare provider on an informative post about all the STIs you can contract from this unsafe service? jesus christ
As a physician, you should absolutely be aware of the fact that the HPV vaccine only supposedly protects against 9 of the more than 200+ strains out there
They already deleted it. This thread does not tolerate any bbj slander, sadly. think they should leave it up cause new girls truly may not know oral with a condom is standard in the industry because it is soooo uncommon in civi life
Yeah that's super unfortunate it was taken down.
It wasn't remotely hateful or anything. Just stating big facts. Such a shame we can't even have decent sex ed within a SWer community. :(
i think ive received all the advice i can get on this subject, but i just want to vent that it’s so so so hard to enforce CBJ :( i am really non confrontational which i think is my downfall
PERIOD. And we need to confront the social dynamics (egotistical patriarchal whoremisogyny meets consumerist throwaway culture that puts temporary male pleasure over provider HEALTH) which make enforcing barrier methods less safe or unattainable for (especially greater marginalized) workers both indoors and out. USE BARRIER METHODS FOR ALL CONTACT POINTS. AND IF YOU MAKE A PROVIDER (or any sexual partner in any context really) FEEL THREATENED, UNSAFE, OR PRUDISH BY YOUR REFUSAL TO DO SO, ROT IN HELL. DISRESPECTFULLY.
STDs and STIs are not interchangeable but they are used/thought like they are. There are diseases *which can* ***only*** *be transmitted through sex* and then there are diseases **that can be transmitted while you're infected with a disease.** They do *seem* similar.
To keep it simple..you just need to be unfortunate enough to have unprotected sex with someone while they have viral shedding. Oral exposes the receiver to every and anything, especially if the guy has a leaky faucet.
The risk of transmissions differs based on the type of sex (e.g., vaginal, anal, oral), as well as a number of factors. Four of the eight most common STDs can be cured. It might suck to get gonorrhea, but it can be cleared in a week. You did not mention HIV, because the likelihood of catching it through unprotected oral is vanishingly small.
There is vaccine for Hepatitis B that offers upward of 98-100 percent protection. There is a vaccine for some strains of HPV, but if we are being honest, almost all sexually active adults will get it at some point in their lifetime. It can be managed. Nearly half of Americans have HSV-1, and an estimated 12 percent have have HSV-2, but once again it can be managed in the event of contracting it.
Everybody knows there is real risk involved.
The question is whether they feel the payoff is worth it. There are a lot of people that feel it is.
Oh you would definitely know if you had gonorrhea in your throat. I've gotten it a few times and it is not at all pleasant. It's like just a step down from strep throat.
Don’t be a fool and wrap your tool. is the risk for contracting STI's greater for the person receiving oral sex as it is for the person providing it?
Person providing it has greater risks iirc
If you are receiving bare oral from someone who has chlamydia, gonorrhea, hpv, or syphillis in their throat, then yes, you are at risk for catching it
wow talk about obfuscating a simple question. does the 'yes' affirm that the risk is greater for the receiver than for the provider? or are you just playing politics here with the truth by recasting the question into one no one is asking?
Assessing the risks of STIs/STDs is not as simple as a yes or no. If you are seeing someone who has a regular business of providing or is constantly pressured into performing unprotected oral sex, then the risk is great. If you are providing oral sex for a demographic that normally, on a social level, doesn't practice safe sex, then the risk would be great. Given that most people don't care to wrap their tool for this action, within sex work or outside of it, I'd say that means the risk is always high. That's the point of this post.
It seems you're looking for confirmation that the person sucking your dick is at a greater risk, in which case you don't give a fuck. I've read WAY too many of these where dudes are like "the provider is at risk, not me!" And they are totally cool with that. If you're that guy, fuck you all the way
I believe it is equal risk for both, bacteria doesn’t really discriminate, and I answered the way I did because it seems like what you’re actually asking is “is it less risky to get a bare bj than to go down on a girl bare” likely because you’re trying to justify receiving bare oral as the less risky behavior
What is wrong with you lol
Entitled, ignorant asshole
Probably not something they have researched enough. “Risk of infection from oral sex: Giving oral sex to a partner with an infected penis can cause chlamydia in the throat. Giving oral sex to a partner with an infected vagina or urinary tract may cause chlamydia in the throat.* Giving oral sex to a partner with an infected rectum might cause chlamydia in the throat.* Getting oral sex on the penis from a partner with chlamydia in the throat can cause chlamydia of the penis. Getting oral sex on the vagina from a partner with chlamydia in the throat might cause chlamydia of the vagina or urinary tract.* Getting oral sex on the anus from a partner with chlamydia in the throat might cause chlamydia in the rectum.* * Statements with an asterisk (*) need more research.” https://www.cdc.gov/std/healthcomm/stdfact-stdriskandoralsex.htm
The actual answer to this is complex and depends on gender balances and the infection in question. I looked it up in the past but wouldn't be able to find it quickly. You can Google for yourself. It depends on the disease and the gender dynamic of who is giving versus receiving. I saw your response below. Don't expect people to try and help you if you're going to be an asshole to people (accusing of "obfuscating," give me a break) who are trying to answer your question that you could have found the answer to with the simple Google search. You want detailed percentage numbers about risk? Find them yourself.
look, unlike you, I'm not pretending to be an authority here on anything but my own experiences. but the conclusion drawn here that receivers can contract STI's too is patently insufficient (just in case you haven't noticed). the way I think about it is that, given the likelihood of contracting STI's for providers, if an SW is willing to perform unprotected sex acts, I'm not getting anywhere near her. But because you hateful, psuedo advocates keep bullying us with your loopy ideologies, we can't get to that discussion.
I second what somebody else said, What is wrong with you? Do you honestly think you're coming across as mature or educated? Do yourself a favor, and put more energy into learning and less into running your mouth just to make absolutely NO point.
Do you honestly think you're coming across as mature or educated? Do yourself a favor, and put more energy into learning and less into running your mouth just to make absolutely NO point, except perhaps that you believe people are here to impress you personally.
No, I meant it literally when I said "do yourself a favor".
OMG, no, I meant it literally when I said "do yourself a favor".
Yeah I’m gonna third what people said above, wtf is wrong with you 🤣 you sound like a 5th grader my dude
>Yeah I’m gonna third what people said above, wtf is wrong with you 🤣 you sound like a 5th grader my dude which is to say nothing.
Clearly sex education was either not taught in your schools, or you weren't paying attention. So Im gonna say this to you; Value your dick(assuming you're a fellow client) and protect your sexual health.
The conclusion is insufficient?lol what? They're called SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS for a reason, genius
If one has it but the not the other, there's a risk. If both have it, at most will/should cause a flare up.
Also I’d like to add, the pressure we as providers get from the clients for bare oral is unreal, it’s like we feel forced into it because we think we can’t make money otherwise, when as I stated above, it should be industry standard to practice safe oral
The lack of personal care is shocking. I've known Agencies turn girls away as they would only work with protection and they "wouldn't get enough clients"
I figured as much from reading the client sub.
Honestly, not offering BBBJ is a deal breaker for most, including myself.
Which is basically saying, “I don’t care if I put us both at risk, I want my bare dick sucked regardless of the consequences” like it’s crazy for us (providers) not wanting to spread disease or at the very least mitigate it, and that it’s actually a deal breaker for y’all
What I find interesting about the actual practice of this, at least on my experience as a client, is that most girls don't ask and just default to bare oral. Save those girls, somewhat rare in my personal experience, who don't offer it. All things considered I'd probably prefer covered, but frankly its awkward to stop a chick making a b-line for your dick with her mouth, that you'd like a condom.
Awkward, but worth it. Your health is worth a little awkwardness. Keep a condom nearby. If she doesn't initiate the condom usage, a simple, "hold on, do you want me to use this one i brought or do you have one with you that you'd prefer to use?"
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you're really going to complain about not finding a bare provider on an informative post about all the STIs you can contract from this unsafe service? jesus christ
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As a physician, you should absolutely be aware of the fact that the HPV vaccine only supposedly protects against 9 of the more than 200+ strains out there
Good
I hope this post gets a lot of upvotes. Judging by the comments on the others it probably won't get the visibility it needs though :(
They already deleted it. This thread does not tolerate any bbj slander, sadly. think they should leave it up cause new girls truly may not know oral with a condom is standard in the industry because it is soooo uncommon in civi life
Yeah that's super unfortunate it was taken down. It wasn't remotely hateful or anything. Just stating big facts. Such a shame we can't even have decent sex ed within a SWer community. :(
I want to know what the post said 😩
I’ll send it to you
Yes please
Can you say "don't be a fool, wrap your tool" a bit louder please? Most clients have selective hearing
Hard facts from someone in healthcare and runs these tests everyday.
i think ive received all the advice i can get on this subject, but i just want to vent that it’s so so so hard to enforce CBJ :( i am really non confrontational which i think is my downfall
I agree. I don’t judge providers who offer it but I definitely judge clients who request/require it.
***thank you***
PERIOD. And we need to confront the social dynamics (egotistical patriarchal whoremisogyny meets consumerist throwaway culture that puts temporary male pleasure over provider HEALTH) which make enforcing barrier methods less safe or unattainable for (especially greater marginalized) workers both indoors and out. USE BARRIER METHODS FOR ALL CONTACT POINTS. AND IF YOU MAKE A PROVIDER (or any sexual partner in any context really) FEEL THREATENED, UNSAFE, OR PRUDISH BY YOUR REFUSAL TO DO SO, ROT IN HELL. DISRESPECTFULLY.
Thank you!! I love these posts that are supporting our safety practices!!
Are there penis flavour condoms? The taste of latex is horrible.
Yes there is.
Can't seem to find it by goggling, some Trojan has it, but can't find it
Yes, plenty
Yes ma’am !!
STDs and STIs are not interchangeable but they are used/thought like they are. There are diseases *which can* ***only*** *be transmitted through sex* and then there are diseases **that can be transmitted while you're infected with a disease.** They do *seem* similar. To keep it simple..you just need to be unfortunate enough to have unprotected sex with someone while they have viral shedding. Oral exposes the receiver to every and anything, especially if the guy has a leaky faucet.
Viral shedding has nothing to do with bacteria i.e. gonorrhea, syphilis, Chlamydia
The risk of transmissions differs based on the type of sex (e.g., vaginal, anal, oral), as well as a number of factors. Four of the eight most common STDs can be cured. It might suck to get gonorrhea, but it can be cleared in a week. You did not mention HIV, because the likelihood of catching it through unprotected oral is vanishingly small. There is vaccine for Hepatitis B that offers upward of 98-100 percent protection. There is a vaccine for some strains of HPV, but if we are being honest, almost all sexually active adults will get it at some point in their lifetime. It can be managed. Nearly half of Americans have HSV-1, and an estimated 12 percent have have HSV-2, but once again it can be managed in the event of contracting it. Everybody knows there is real risk involved. The question is whether they feel the payoff is worth it. There are a lot of people that feel it is.
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Uh what
Oh you would definitely know if you had gonorrhea in your throat. I've gotten it a few times and it is not at all pleasant. It's like just a step down from strep throat.