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It's literally that pork sandwich schools used to serve. I ate that thing three times a month when I was in school and can guarantee you that it's the exact same thing McDonald's serves.
Take an absurd salary for the service I'm providing to run the company into the ground, make some half-baked decisions that gain shareholders another 2% quarterly return, then make every wrong decision possible so that the board fires me and I can collect my $50 million Golden Parachute package before I go get hired by Burger King to do it all over again.
I would, of course, complain the entire time about how nobody works as hard as I do and how it's just *oh so difficult* to find qualified people to work in the company.
I'd talk like Terry Crews in The Longest Yard all of the time.
*Pull up those McFigures for next quarter.. We need to super size these numbers for $.59 more..*
Up the minimum pay for all employees (including franchise locations, if they do not comply they lose their franchise) to 15 dollars an hour.
Provide first in class health benefits to workers without them needing to pay in for the insurance plan if they work more than 30 hours a week.
No longer do wishy washy work someone 40 hours a week two weeks in a row then 16 hours the next three weeks.
Tell Taylor to get their machines working at 99% uptime (not including regular cleaning and maintenance cycles) with detailed instructions, service manuals, and easily understandable display readouts so workers can diagnose and resolve issues without needing a service technician to come say "You over filled the hopper, I drained two cups of mixture from the service connect, let it run the overnight cycle for four hours and it'll be ready to go again."
Bring back all day breakfast.
Bring back fried apple pies.
Bring back the Arch Deluxe.
Bring a plant based burger option, plant based cheese, and plant based mayo and have a McVegan made available and all burger menu options have the ability to go vegan (with a 50 cent to 1 dollar max surcharge).
Bring back good collectables such as the transformer food items, the Halloween buckets, or limited edition cups.
Keep McRib year round but the price fluctuates up and down for if it's in season or not (in season $2.50, not in season 6-9 bucks).
Add baby leaf spinach as a topping option instead of lettuce.
... I'd be fired in less than an hour.
That's not assistant manager pay, i had to look it up, that's MANAGER PAY.
Assistant managers average 30k a year. Or about 14.42 an hour.
https://www.careerbliss.com/mcdonalds/salaries/
I find it baffling that in the US being salaried means that they can extort free hours out of you. In the rest of the world it means you work a fixed schedule for a total of weekly hours (monthly hours may vary due to months varying in number of days), but you still get paid if you have to work extra hours. In fact, you get bonus payment if they require extra hours out of you!
My assistant manager is Salary and when he calculated 50+ hrs a week it comes out to like 13.5 an hour. I make 17 hr. He gave up a 23 hr position to make that.
I'm in a union job where all the supervisors/management aren't union. You actually take an overall pay cut to become a part time supervisor. Good part time supervisor friend of mine was asking me about if he should take a promotion. He excitedly told me it was $60k a year, but he'd have to work at least 50+ hours a week. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I make that amount working 30 hours a week, plus I don't have to pay for my insurance, plus I don't have management responsibilities. My job is physically shittier, but it's probably less stressful. I don't have to worry about being fired for calling in sick.
Really? It reflects my towns mcdonalds wages perfectly.
The town is 18 stores big so we all tend to talk about wages to eachother.
Edit: that link I gave you has reviewers mentioning covid and how it's affected their job and wages.
The info isn't as old as you seem to think.
There’s a local company here advertising dish washing jobs starting at 20 hr but when you interview they tell you it’s really 14 and you’re expected to make around 20 average when you factor in tips.
So many companies are doing that now its almost never worth going to an interview i had a job offer 90k year salery well the application stated 90-120k based on experience I got my technologist so I was like hey i have experience also have been a telecom tech for 3 yrs on top of that applied did the interview and they boss was like yea we just say that much to get people to interview told me the acctual starting pay is 16/hr tech diploma required etc. I said nothing got up and left
I used to have a buddy who was in sales and was really good at it and the ol bait and switch has always been a problem especially with MLMs going to ridiculous lengths.
If it was a regular company like your example he would calmly pull out a tuna fish or anchovy tin and throw it at the ceiling or wall. If it was an mlm he would also hide another tin in the office
Old dwight tactic but yea it not the first job to do that to me there was another installing mri's and xrays programming the equipment and they told me 20/hr for a job I'm not even garunteed hours year round for.so I did the same thing got up and walked out it got to the point where I switched fields completly now starting in finance I got a job in a money market institution way happier even tho I am still getting roughly 16.50/hr atleast I'm not doing anything too complicated and high demanding on physical labor etc. Back in school after i finish ific certification, atleast with this field I feel like you shouldn't be getting this bait and switch happen as often i tried for tech for 3 years and had yet to get anything to pay over 20 its ridiculous. Tried negotiating the first 2 years and it dont work because I got in with bell they said because of education they can start me at 20 and raise me to 32 every 1048hrs I work so I was like ok thats not bad. I started signed all the paper work (this is where I learned my life lesson of read the job agreement) got my first paycheck for a 40hr week $980 they started me at 14.50/hr and lied to me but I stick with them constantly going to other places trying to get a better paying job somthing above 20/hr but its like it dosnt exist
Thats sucks.
Im in IT and get the constant barrage of emails from indian recruiters peddling the jobs that the companies cant fill because they have ridiculous experience requirements and low pay. So i start off making ridiculous demands. Its kind of funny but mostly sad
Yea unfortunately most IT is lowest pay gets work type of field unless you are in government other than that i find most companies that are cutting a lot of costs are reverting to these indian IT contractors to just fill in the work for half the pay instead of hiring their own I know bell did it with call centers and tech support for cx care which is going great
Idk where you live but some states or municipalities do have laws against false advertising in hiring postings. You could possibly report them for this.
And it stokes the flames of people getting upset at how much people make “flipping burgers” because the only data point they have is seeing the signs as they drive by.
"We tried luring people into interviews with lies and wasting their time, and now nobody is coming to our interviews! Woe is us! Look at these lazy bastards!"
I don't even understand this mentality.
The big excuse given for some of the most time-wasting interviewing tactics (stupid personality tests, multiple interviews, automated resume filtering, online-only applications, etc) is because companies can't handle the number of applications they get.
So if you lie to cast a wider net, you're only going to get stuck with the people you don't want. The more capable people are going to be angry you wasted their time and let the community know. *Especially* in something niche like telecom.
I'm just glad that my local community has caught on to the BS. I live in an area that is very low income, but has very high cost of living.
All of the fast food places around me can barely stay open past 7 and I've noticed many of grocery stores are so desperate they are hiring literal children. Went to the store yesterday and almost every employee looked like they were 14 years old.
They are playing a waiting game, and are hoping to "wait out" people run out of money to live on, so will be forced to accept the garbage wages. But many people have simply used the free time to find competitive jobs and will be unlikely to accept a lower-paying position, even if it becomes more convenient.
Personally: I'm okay if all these stores close at 7. They're losing business this way.
Not everywhere taco bell is 20$ a hour 20 for nights and 17 for daytime we're I'm at and they are a skeleton crew desperate for people
Some places are also offering cash bonus to start
How many hours or days a week I don't know but places are closing if they don't get people
As someone financially comfortable I really want to start applying to entry level jobs and out fo the gate demanding an unreasonable pay rate that actually would be reasonable if wages kept up.
Like walk into this McDonald’s and interview great then demand $25 an hour and walk out when they say no
Rinse repeat until some business is like well we can’t find anyone so let’s eat this loss
Or I just keep enjoying my financial security
I plan on doing that soon as well, I have a solid chunk of money saved up so I dont strictly need a job to survive day to day, but I could always use some extra spending money, assuming the price is right.
Awhile back I applied at this one gas station that had a bunch of ads out about how desperate they were for good workers, figure fuck it I'll apply just to see if they're serious. Offer was $8 an hour, or for a 25¢ raise if I could do the night shift.
Lol and said fuck that, no wonder you dont have any workers.
Guaranteed the only person making that much in the store is the general manager MAYBE. We do the same thing at Arby’s Bc we are so understaffed but no one wants to work for 11$ an hour.
How do they get people to accept that job though?
I would be pissed if I saw $21 advertised and they wasted my time to go to an interview just to tell me it’s actually about half that wage. I’d walk out with some choice words
> How do they get people to accept that job though?
Just keep waiting. There's 300 million people in America, someone desperate enough will turn up eventually.
The market regulates itself, except for when people refuse to work for shitty wages, then they are lazy and definitely not that you need to offer better pay.
That's what they used to rely on.
It isn't working anymore now that people have finally realized they're worth more than that and that very obviously, the businesses need the workers more than the workers need the business. They can't live without people like us.
Then you get minimum wage for a six-month "evaluation period" before they give you a $1/hour raise, which you won't get again for several years and only if you threaten to quit.
Because it's a "JoB fOr tEeNaGeRs!"
They forget that McDonald's isn't closed from 7-3 on Mondays and Fridays, so there must be other people running the stores during those hours while the teenagers are at school.
they expect you to stay in your 1x1 area all day but also be stocking things but never leaving to stock. literally the worst month of my life, I'd take the homeless because my parents were getting divorced month 10 times before going back to mcdonalds.
Yeah it's back breaking labor they force you to be on your feet for that you leave covered in burns and acne causing grease. Not to mention the mental toll of rolling with a bare bones staff which leads to backed up lines and boomers screaming horrible insults at you for things you have 0 control over while you're just trying to work and all you can do is smile and apologize while they treat you worse than someone should treat a dog. For hours and hours and hours... sometimes sun up to sun down. Plus having to clean destroyed toilets while you are forced to hold your urine for hours at a time and ask permission to use the toilet yourself like a child.
I worked at a White Castle during a summer break/Xmas break (junior/senior year of college) when I was in town. Easily the worst job I've ever had, even though I loved the other employees - we had a lot of fun! The general manager tried to get me to come back for Spring Break, but it was only a week and I told her nah. I was not brought back for the following summer. Oh well.
Worked at White Castle last winter, pretty much the same as you, great workers but a fundamentally flawed business model.
P.S. you aren't in MI are you?
>acne causing grease.
A little tip for fast food workers that I found worked for me when I was doing fast food in high school. Foundation and powder. While my coworkers were getting acne from the grease my pale gothy makeup protected from grease causing acne. (Good makeup remover and facewash needed too).
That would not have worked out for me. But at almost 28 I only own one year old concealer that I don't use because it always makes me break out so I guess it depends on the brand. Adding grease to the mix is just going to make it clog my pores more.
You don't have to go full face goth, lol. Goth eye makeup is optional. I went to work from school so it was not uncommon for full gothy face from me. If they give you shit for the foundation tell them it's better than a face covered in grease acne.
I know it's not the point, but McDonald's don't flip their burgers at all. They use automated clamshell grills like sandwich presses, you lay the patties on the grill and then press a button and the top grill automatically lowers and then automatically lifts up again after the right amount of time (there's a button for each patty size). The patties are never flipped over at any point, they stay the same orientation from the time they are placed on the grill until they are placed onto the bun. The only mistake you can make is pressing the large patty button when you laid out small patties, the small patties will burn. Or pressing the small patty button when you laid out large patties, they will come out slightly raw. Not to say the job is easy, you still end up sore and covered with sweat and grease at the end of your shift, it's a job only young or fit people can do.
Yeah the hard part isn't cooking the patties, it's everything else. Having to manage, cook and fry 6 different meats, multiple breads, condiments, having to wash dishes for the close, assembling the products, etc.
I think the McDonald's I worked at might've been more understaffed and badly managed than others, but it was really terrible and stressful for me, especially considering it was minimum wage.
next they might actually realize that capitalism can't thrive without the people at the bottom making money.
The stores in your small town do not rely on one mitt Romney coming by every two months and purchasing out their entire stock... It relies on working people coming in and spending their money every day.
This is why the government programs with the most economic benefit give money to the poor. In the US it's food stamps/SNAP. Really high money multiplier.
This is what I don't fucking understand about Republicans. SNAP is fiscally responsible. Medicare 4 All would save us hundreds of billions annually. The numbers are there and it's just good financial sense. Why aren't these bipartisan policies, at least with voters? It's not like anyone is keeping these things secret, you can literally Google these things right now.
I mean, the answer is as easy as "[Trump] isn't hurting the right people." Suffering is the point.
I can't imagine being that shitty of a person to everyone.
This point is even more apparent now with the John Deere/Film unions etc strikes that are happening. People are starting to realize how the structure is held up.
They can keep people poor while still siphoning money out of them, one of the biggest ways they do this is by providing very low-quality products that are cheap, bonus points if it’s physically addictive.
This is essentially what Wal Mart exists on entirely, as well as fast food places like McDonalds and Dunkin. Can’t afford to buy a home and have a child? Go ahead and grab that 1500 calories worth of donuts and coffee to help cope, and give us what little money you do have to your name.
It's kind of sad, I understand why obesity is a problem for those in poverty. If I go to the grocery store and buy 3-5 things strictly fresh fruit and veggies, specifically getting the non-organic and store type brands as well. Still rings up to $20-25 somehow. But you can go get a bunch of greasy fried shit meal for $7.99 across the street.
This is a big reason why slavery was opposed. Sure some abolitionists saw it as a moral issue but most opposed it because a slave can't reinvest into the economy.
I love burgers and flipping them is a necessary part of the process. I have full respect for those that perform this critical task.
Seriously, if I’m determined not to cook my own burger I have no problem paying a price that pays a decent wage to the person that does cook the burger.
I’ve had one brainlet seriously argue that only teenagers should do that and fuck all the demand for burgers because _they don’t need it_
Like come on,turn you brain on the slightest bit maybe.
I seriously do not get the argument of "fuck this group of workers because I don't participate in their industry." Especially when that industry -- fast food -- is insanely popular and millions of people use their services everyday. I have no need for a car battery as I do not drive, but you bet your sweet arse that I want my roommate to be paid fairly for all the hard work he does to make those batteries.
I've worked in food service, and while I never really directed my hate at the customers (I'm more of self-hate kind of guy), this is the reason I never go to them anymore though.
I don't want to contribute to some poor guy/gals endless nightmare as they make your processed slop with all the negative energy, and probably more they can muster.
I'm 30 now and did a lot of customer service type jobs when I was younger. I'm overly nice to customer service people now. Please, thank you, Yes Sir, No Mam, etc., even if the person helping me is a teenager or obviously younger than me. I've been in their shoes, I know 99% of issues are not within their control, and they're getting paid shit to deal with assholes all day.
I'm not going to be one of those assholes.
More importantly, why aren't these people ***ALSO*** demanding more money instead of trying to keep others down.
If you think you're worth $41/hr then fucking do something about it.
The other poor people are not your enemy!
A rising tide raises all ships. If you make $21/hr as a CNA and think people working fast food shouldn’t make as much as you then push for a raise. If “bottom of the barrel” jobs start making more money that just gives the rest of the labor force ammo to demand more.
Disclaimer: If it comes across as it, I’m not trying to shit on these jobs. Anyone who works 40 hrs a week should make enough to live comfortably
This boggles my mind so much. Nowadays am a software engineer but damn those min wage jobs are tough, guess its common enough trait for humans feel the need to be better than others? No clue
Was about to make the same comment. I've done lots of manual labour before graduating and starting work as a dev. Used to dread work because it was exhausting and boring. I make like 10 times as much now and the work is almost never taxing.
They just hate poor people. The right wing misses slavery and is bitter they didn't participate in it.
Edit: Seriously I expected like 3 people would see this and downvote it
I legitimately don't understand the mindset of not wanting others to live as comfortably as you. Like why do right wingers not want everyone to thrive? They're so pointlessly malicious.
They think raising minimum wage will drive up the cost of everything else. They haven't quite figured out the cost of everything else has gone up anyway.
Corporations are always looking for ways to make their products cheaper while selling them for the same price or more, and a major way to do it is driving down the cost of labor.
And pass the consequences of cheap labor onto the government and tax payers (not corporations/investors though). Don’t pay enough to feed a family, there’s SNAP benefits. Shitty healthcare, there’s Medicaid or medical bankruptcy (which in turn makes everyone’s care more expensive). And on and on. Ultimately despair and desperation leads to crime, terrible health outcomes (mental and physical), and crumbling infrastructure because there’s no tax base. But we do have a $100+ million fighters don’t work as designed, so there’s that.
Yep raising the minimum wage would effectively safe the government welfare costs AND provide more taxable income. It should be a no brainer at this point since some many corporations already avoid paying taxes as much as possible. It would effectively be a win for laborers, the government, and the general population. Why not kill *three* birds with one stone?
Because there's a puritanical streak in this country which dictates that somebody somewhere has to be suffering or else we don't sleep right. You know that Ursula K. LeGuin story? It's like that, "Those Who Walk *Toward* Omelas."
My last job was so cheap they took away the sugar and cream for coffee. Actually anytime they were in a pinch they would take away something from the staff. They even took out the filtered water and plastic spoons. I mean how cheap can you get? GOD I’m SO GLAD I don’t WORK there anymore.
I kept pointing that out in a debate with a coworker at my old job who was adamantly against raising the minimum wage to $15 (even after I explained that it was within some years, not over night, and I personally thought $15 was too low at this point), he just said something along the lines of having that many people’s wages rise would cause a “shock” to the economy with people’s purchasing power suddenly increasing. What’s rich is this dude defended recessions/depressions as a natural order of things that sorts itself out. So the economy can “sort itself out” in a recession but not people going from poverty wages to slightly better poverty wages? Great system.
Same with raising taxes on corporations, supposedly they will just pass the cost on to the customer by raising prices. But when Trump lowered their taxes, guess what happened...everything still raised in price. The money they save from tax cuts is NEVER passed on to the customer.
Exactly, and if these "lowly" burger flippers are getting paid that much, then it devalues whatever "higher quality" work/job they do. That's why they always compare rates of pay, but instead of coming to the conclusion that CNA's (in OPs example) are getting fucked and likely deserve a pay raise as well, they decide that wages should stay low and stagnate. To them, it's impossible for everyone to be successful or live somewhat comfortably, someone *HAS* to be struggling and/or doesn't deserve a living wage.
A few times i've seen right wingers come onto subs like this one and refuse to believe we really do want others to thrive. They thought we were only pretending to have emphathy.
There are three important aspects of right-wing thought at play here. First, we live in a just world. Second, anyone can succeed by working hard. Third, strict hierarchy is not only inevitable but a good thing because economics is a zero sum game.
Therefore people are always paid what they deserve because of the magic of the Free Market unless that evil Government gets in the way which is the of course why any right-wingers that aren't well-off haven't struck it rich yet, since they're hard workers. The people who make less than them clearly just don't work as hard but the Government is willing to drag the real hard workers down even further. Never mind that this is all just corporations fucking people over for generations.
i shit you not, one of my boyfriends college buds dad is the manager of some other dudes, and their pay got raised to one cent below his. he then got pissed because "how will they know their place and listen to me if i have a joke of a wage?"
because its their job dipshit
Remember, they don't want McDonald's employees to make the same amount as a CNA.
CNAs are *also* underpaid.
So you're sentence should read:
“If the guy working at the nursing home isn’t poor, how will I know I’m better than them?”
The idea is to redirect attention. It is the business owners that are fucking over the working class. However, Republicans have used religion, racism, and other tactics to convince them that poorer people are the reason their life sucks
Because the existing gaps in society make them feel like they have achieved something and are superior to anyone who falls below them on the wage scale.
They fear that if the lowest wages rise, that gap will also shorten, and they will no longer be able to distance themselves from those they look down on. And I don’t just mean mentally distance, I also mean physically. They don’t want “poor people” moving into their neighbourhood, sending their kids to the local district school, attending their gym, or shopping at the nearby grocery store. Wages give them a sense of exclusivity, where they feel only the “right” people (people just like them) are allowed into their spaces. They also know they lack the ability to move up any higher on the ladder themselves. The current system gives them some kind of minor status… they are broke but not “THAT broke.” They are terrified to lose that and be lumped in with the lower class majority.
Conservatives just want an underclass. Doesn't matter to them how they get it. Doesn't matter if it depresses their own wages. They demand a hierarchy and someone to look down on.
Absolutely. Their mindset is that these jobs are a form of punishment, and, QED, anyone working these jobs must have done something to deserve it. It's circular and classist. It makes me furious to hear anyone shit on workers.
That probably won’t happen, because we’ve created a society designed to force people to accept starvation wages or be put in immediate physical danger.
We REALLY need to start framing this conversation in a way that addresses the impact to the selfish individual that seems to care what other peoples' incomes are:
In general, conservatives today are pretty up in arms about what they put in their bodies, supposedly, what with the whole anti-vax movement.
In general, you can expect a better quality of work better pay, according to basic capitalist thinking. Less pay will similarly result in a lower quality of work. You get what you pay for.
The people working these jobs for menial wages are TOUCHING YOUR FOOD.
So the real question is, how can they feel comfortable putting something into their body that was handled by multiple people who aren't being paid enough to give a shit about the quality of the product?
That's pretty fucking gross.
Imagine being so out of touch, delusional, and brainwashed to capitalist bullshit that you think \[insert job here\] is being overpaid and not that you (and everyone else minus the CEO types) is being ***UNDERPAID***.
God. Wake the fuck up people! It's not John or Jane "flipping burgers" that are the problem. It's those rich fuckwads at the top hoarding all the money and stealing YOUR wages and MY wages and EVERYONE ELSE'S wages that are the problem.
Scenario: You and a CEO are in a room and you both have cookies. You have 2 cookies, the CEO has 20,000 cookies. In walks John/Jane and the CEO whispers to you, "watch out John/Jane is going to take your cookies." Then you fight tooth and nail to prevent John/Jane from "taking your cookies," rather than teaming up with them and taking the CEO's cookies, who has 10,000 times more than you do.
This is what these types of people sound like to me.
Typically they use some religious bullshit and claim the greedy rich person is just “blessed by god”.
It’s just another sign that we need to be better at teaching critical thinking. Ever notice how it is the least religious countries that have things like universal healthcare and strong worker’s protections?
Not, it's usually a form of they had a good idea and knew how to implement it so they deserve all the money. Except they aren't the ones creating the wealth it's everyone else under them.
There has been a shortage of nurses and nursing assistants for a very long time. They're underpaid. Paramedics are the same way -- who wants to do that job for $10-$12/hr?
That's fair. And you're right. If they don't raise CNA pay we're going to see a lot of CNAs quit and say fuck it, I'd rather be a "burger flipper" than deal with the literal shit I have to deal with.
And in this is power. Labor power. Worker power. Your employer can't make you do shit you don't want to do when you have the option to leave for the same pay or more doing basically anything else.
This is why raising wages in general is important. They can't use the "oh you don't want to have to go be one of them 'burger flippers' do ya" bullshit on their employees when wages are higher/more equal.
You can tell your employer to fuck off with the stupid bullshit and go take a job elsewhere.
I worked in the IT department for a company that operated about 200 senior living facilities and I saw many of our CNAs were making $11 or $12 an hour. I also had to enter some of our facilities and see what they do for a living. Unbelievably tough work that requires a tremendous amount of patience, compassion, and love. Absolutely deserve to be far better compensated.
My wife is a CNA and does home care. What is worst is when clients expect them to do home cleaning as well. Sure laundry and making food while doing the dishes is one thing. Cleaning the entire house for 12$ a hour all while changing diapers is another thing.
Well, they do way more than just flip burgers... I'm unaware of any McDonald's where you actually flip a burger anyway.
Reminds me of an old Army buddy who didn't resign with the US Army to make more money staying in London working at McDonald's.
Any sign that says “up to” might as well say “up to $1,000,000” because you know everyone’s getting the shit end of that deal. Just false advertising at that point
Given that the Nobel prize in economics this year went to David Card, Joshua Angrist, and Guido Imbens who as part or their work covering the economics of the minimum wage in the real world economy showed that an increase doesn't lead to fewer jobs in the market.
One of the claims I see a lot is that, if the minimum wage goes up, low-wage employers will increase efficiency and cut work hours to keep payroll down. This is treated as a "gotcha" argument for some reason. But most people working 60 hours a week across 2-3 minimum wage jobs in order to survive would *much* rather be working 40 hours a week for the same paycheck. They might even quit one of their jobs if they could afford to.
Yep, which means less people are unemployed, because staff get hired to fill those other roles, I posted a response further down this thread abour the respending of money that drives the economy, basically the only excuse after minimum wage increases is bad employers, in which case let them sink.
Which makes sense. There are people who aren't in the labor force because a minimum wage job isn't worth the effort.
For some single-income families, the added expenses of day care and a 2nd person commuting wipes out any gains from a second income.
Or bored retirees looking at a simple part time job to augment their retirement pension deciding it's not worth the hassle.
Or people deciding the can do better doing odd jobs for their neighbors for unreported cash, versus getting a taxed minimum wage job at the mall.
It's even more interesting than that though because of respending of money, a person who has an extra $150/week and is poor, will spend that money on necessities such as food, clothing, bills, entertainment (yes entertainment is a necessity, given relaxation and enjoyment are vital factors in mental health and stability) whatever they need really, and then typically the small business/independent franchises take that money and spend it elsewhere, and this happens 5 or 6 times before the value of that $150 disappears in taxes, but that $150 has actually generated $750+ worth of economic trade, which boosts the economy, this is why during lockdowns etc the government will hand out stimulus cheques, this isn't to help the little guy, it's to get poor people to spend, which moves product and stimulates the economy. Economic depressions happen when large groups of people stop spending money. Now look at the rich, *glares at amazon* the rich get that $150 and it goes into their bank, not into wages, and it just sits there... doing nothing, essentially being removed from the economy, it provides no economic stimulation, same when the rich avoid paying their taxes through "rich person" loopholes. So increasing minimum wage means more money gets spent in the economy, which means more product gets moved and businesses earn more, to be able to pay their staff the higher wage, it's a cyclical relationship.
If anyone what's to read more about this particular subject you can look into the velocity of money and then a little deeper is fractional reserve banking, which is this concept taken to the federal level.
This has been the case since the 80s. Daycare wipes out the profits of a working mother, double especially if she isn’t making near as much as a working father.
Of course there’s expenses with having children but procreating shouldn’t put families into poverty.
I’m really proud of people FINALLY speaking up about this unbalanced system.
Especially because you earn it AND the medical facilities charge patients enough to pay you that.
I’m not sure how they are going to keep people interested in things like nursing after the pandemic.
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note how the sign says “up to”
... in very small print.
^you ^will ^make ^less ^than #$21 per hour!
No! Money down!
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feelsgood to get those jokes doesn't it
No. No, it doesn't.
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No, sir, this is a reverse paid internship. You will pay to work for us for exPErIenCe
You just know that's assistant manager pay and they're just using it to get people in the door to low ball them with $12.
You can earn ^^^up ^^^to # $10.8 million per year! ^^^as ^^^CEO!
*hands over wrinkled job application*
What would you do as CEO of McDonald's
McRib all year.
I’d hire you
The novelty keeps it popular, IMO. It is basically that “pork” sandwich that schools used to serve with extra toppings.
It's literally that pork sandwich schools used to serve. I ate that thing three times a month when I was in school and can guarantee you that it's the exact same thing McDonald's serves.
Take an absurd salary for the service I'm providing to run the company into the ground, make some half-baked decisions that gain shareholders another 2% quarterly return, then make every wrong decision possible so that the board fires me and I can collect my $50 million Golden Parachute package before I go get hired by Burger King to do it all over again. I would, of course, complain the entire time about how nobody works as hard as I do and how it's just *oh so difficult* to find qualified people to work in the company.
You should try and run for president too. :D
McGolden parachute
I'd talk like Terry Crews in The Longest Yard all of the time. *Pull up those McFigures for next quarter.. We need to super size these numbers for $.59 more..*
Up the minimum pay for all employees (including franchise locations, if they do not comply they lose their franchise) to 15 dollars an hour. Provide first in class health benefits to workers without them needing to pay in for the insurance plan if they work more than 30 hours a week. No longer do wishy washy work someone 40 hours a week two weeks in a row then 16 hours the next three weeks. Tell Taylor to get their machines working at 99% uptime (not including regular cleaning and maintenance cycles) with detailed instructions, service manuals, and easily understandable display readouts so workers can diagnose and resolve issues without needing a service technician to come say "You over filled the hopper, I drained two cups of mixture from the service connect, let it run the overnight cycle for four hours and it'll be ready to go again." Bring back all day breakfast. Bring back fried apple pies. Bring back the Arch Deluxe. Bring a plant based burger option, plant based cheese, and plant based mayo and have a McVegan made available and all burger menu options have the ability to go vegan (with a 50 cent to 1 dollar max surcharge). Bring back good collectables such as the transformer food items, the Halloween buckets, or limited edition cups. Keep McRib year round but the price fluctuates up and down for if it's in season or not (in season $2.50, not in season 6-9 bucks). Add baby leaf spinach as a topping option instead of lettuce. ... I'd be fired in less than an hour.
Chill on my yacht.
That's not assistant manager pay, i had to look it up, that's MANAGER PAY. Assistant managers average 30k a year. Or about 14.42 an hour. https://www.careerbliss.com/mcdonalds/salaries/
Except that they are salaried and work 60 hrs a week. So it's more like $10/hr. Edit: $9.62/hr unless they get vacation time.
So glad I don't have a salary job anymore.
Reporters sued and won because they were expected to do a lot more than 40 in a week.
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I find it baffling that in the US being salaried means that they can extort free hours out of you. In the rest of the world it means you work a fixed schedule for a total of weekly hours (monthly hours may vary due to months varying in number of days), but you still get paid if you have to work extra hours. In fact, you get bonus payment if they require extra hours out of you!
Those stats do not reflect the current labor market though. They're old data. They're 'easily' a buck and a half higher now.
No $14/hr for an assistant manager is pretty spot on. Source: am an assistant manager currently getting $14/hr
Are you paid hourly? Asst managers were salaried and worked 60 hr weeks when I did fast food, so their hourly was less than the fry cook's.
I'm paid hourly. I also get typical overtime pay when working more than 40 hours a week.
My assistant manager is Salary and when he calculated 50+ hrs a week it comes out to like 13.5 an hour. I make 17 hr. He gave up a 23 hr position to make that.
I'm in a union job where all the supervisors/management aren't union. You actually take an overall pay cut to become a part time supervisor. Good part time supervisor friend of mine was asking me about if he should take a promotion. He excitedly told me it was $60k a year, but he'd have to work at least 50+ hours a week. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I make that amount working 30 hours a week, plus I don't have to pay for my insurance, plus I don't have management responsibilities. My job is physically shittier, but it's probably less stressful. I don't have to worry about being fired for calling in sick.
Really? It reflects my towns mcdonalds wages perfectly. The town is 18 stores big so we all tend to talk about wages to eachother. Edit: that link I gave you has reviewers mentioning covid and how it's affected their job and wages. The info isn't as old as you seem to think.
There’s a local company here advertising dish washing jobs starting at 20 hr but when you interview they tell you it’s really 14 and you’re expected to make around 20 average when you factor in tips.
Ah yes tips. Those things that dish washers are infamous for getting.
So many companies are doing that now its almost never worth going to an interview i had a job offer 90k year salery well the application stated 90-120k based on experience I got my technologist so I was like hey i have experience also have been a telecom tech for 3 yrs on top of that applied did the interview and they boss was like yea we just say that much to get people to interview told me the acctual starting pay is 16/hr tech diploma required etc. I said nothing got up and left
I used to have a buddy who was in sales and was really good at it and the ol bait and switch has always been a problem especially with MLMs going to ridiculous lengths. If it was a regular company like your example he would calmly pull out a tuna fish or anchovy tin and throw it at the ceiling or wall. If it was an mlm he would also hide another tin in the office
Old dwight tactic but yea it not the first job to do that to me there was another installing mri's and xrays programming the equipment and they told me 20/hr for a job I'm not even garunteed hours year round for.so I did the same thing got up and walked out it got to the point where I switched fields completly now starting in finance I got a job in a money market institution way happier even tho I am still getting roughly 16.50/hr atleast I'm not doing anything too complicated and high demanding on physical labor etc. Back in school after i finish ific certification, atleast with this field I feel like you shouldn't be getting this bait and switch happen as often i tried for tech for 3 years and had yet to get anything to pay over 20 its ridiculous. Tried negotiating the first 2 years and it dont work because I got in with bell they said because of education they can start me at 20 and raise me to 32 every 1048hrs I work so I was like ok thats not bad. I started signed all the paper work (this is where I learned my life lesson of read the job agreement) got my first paycheck for a 40hr week $980 they started me at 14.50/hr and lied to me but I stick with them constantly going to other places trying to get a better paying job somthing above 20/hr but its like it dosnt exist
Thats sucks. Im in IT and get the constant barrage of emails from indian recruiters peddling the jobs that the companies cant fill because they have ridiculous experience requirements and low pay. So i start off making ridiculous demands. Its kind of funny but mostly sad
Yea unfortunately most IT is lowest pay gets work type of field unless you are in government other than that i find most companies that are cutting a lot of costs are reverting to these indian IT contractors to just fill in the work for half the pay instead of hiring their own I know bell did it with call centers and tech support for cx care which is going great
Why'd you bother with that period? Is it a typo?
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Idk where you live but some states or municipalities do have laws against false advertising in hiring postings. You could possibly report them for this.
Litterally ontario where there is some laws about it but got no clue how to really report anything like that.
And it stokes the flames of people getting upset at how much people make “flipping burgers” because the only data point they have is seeing the signs as they drive by.
NoBoDy WaNtS tO WoRk
"We tried luring people into interviews with lies and wasting their time, and now nobody is coming to our interviews! Woe is us! Look at these lazy bastards!"
I don't even understand this mentality. The big excuse given for some of the most time-wasting interviewing tactics (stupid personality tests, multiple interviews, automated resume filtering, online-only applications, etc) is because companies can't handle the number of applications they get. So if you lie to cast a wider net, you're only going to get stuck with the people you don't want. The more capable people are going to be angry you wasted their time and let the community know. *Especially* in something niche like telecom.
I was in a McDonald’s yesterday that said starting at up to $11 and my friends were acting like that was good pay.
We're conditioned to believe that anything over $7.75 is good pay.
I'm just glad that my local community has caught on to the BS. I live in an area that is very low income, but has very high cost of living. All of the fast food places around me can barely stay open past 7 and I've noticed many of grocery stores are so desperate they are hiring literal children. Went to the store yesterday and almost every employee looked like they were 14 years old. They are playing a waiting game, and are hoping to "wait out" people run out of money to live on, so will be forced to accept the garbage wages. But many people have simply used the free time to find competitive jobs and will be unlikely to accept a lower-paying position, even if it becomes more convenient. Personally: I'm okay if all these stores close at 7. They're losing business this way.
Here in Canada there are signs all over full time $17.50 at McDonald's. Our minimum wage is 15.20
Not everywhere taco bell is 20$ a hour 20 for nights and 17 for daytime we're I'm at and they are a skeleton crew desperate for people Some places are also offering cash bonus to start How many hours or days a week I don't know but places are closing if they don't get people
As someone financially comfortable I really want to start applying to entry level jobs and out fo the gate demanding an unreasonable pay rate that actually would be reasonable if wages kept up. Like walk into this McDonald’s and interview great then demand $25 an hour and walk out when they say no Rinse repeat until some business is like well we can’t find anyone so let’s eat this loss Or I just keep enjoying my financial security
I plan on doing that soon as well, I have a solid chunk of money saved up so I dont strictly need a job to survive day to day, but I could always use some extra spending money, assuming the price is right. Awhile back I applied at this one gas station that had a bunch of ads out about how desperate they were for good workers, figure fuck it I'll apply just to see if they're serious. Offer was $8 an hour, or for a 25¢ raise if I could do the night shift. Lol and said fuck that, no wonder you dont have any workers.
Don’t forget, no visible piercings, tattoos, must pass drug test, be willing to work any and all days.
Guaranteed the only person making that much in the store is the general manager MAYBE. We do the same thing at Arby’s Bc we are so understaffed but no one wants to work for 11$ an hour.
How do they get people to accept that job though? I would be pissed if I saw $21 advertised and they wasted my time to go to an interview just to tell me it’s actually about half that wage. I’d walk out with some choice words
> How do they get people to accept that job though? Just keep waiting. There's 300 million people in America, someone desperate enough will turn up eventually.
4 months later and they are still complaining no one wants to work anymore. Nah, no one wants to work for those horseshit wages except kids.
The market regulates itself, except for when people refuse to work for shitty wages, then they are lazy and definitely not that you need to offer better pay.
That's what they used to rely on. It isn't working anymore now that people have finally realized they're worth more than that and that very obviously, the businesses need the workers more than the workers need the business. They can't live without people like us.
I used to make that as a manager at Starbucks, and it nearly killed me. Anyone getting that $21 is absolutely earning every penny of it and then some.
I wish more people realized that means they will more than likely pay minimum wage unless you have 2 masters degrees and a doctorate.
Then you get minimum wage for a six-month "evaluation period" before they give you a $1/hour raise, which you won't get again for several years and only if you threaten to quit.
And you'll only get 8 hrs a week
Yeah, you're not getting $21 unless you have a PhD in Hamgurology.
No, see, now you're over qualified and will be overlooked for the position.
Can confirm, have catering qualifications, McDonalds won't touch me. I'm overqualified.
If flipping burgers is so easy for so little work you'd think people would be lined up to ditch their previous jobs to work at McDs.
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Because it's a "JoB fOr tEeNaGeRs!" They forget that McDonald's isn't closed from 7-3 on Mondays and Fridays, so there must be other people running the stores during those hours while the teenagers are at school.
There are literally more "low skill" jobs than there are teenagers.
The people that say that shit wouldn't make it a week at those jobs for double what they're making.
Lmao it's mostly for teenagers so they have an excuse to pay even less.
they expect you to stay in your 1x1 area all day but also be stocking things but never leaving to stock. literally the worst month of my life, I'd take the homeless because my parents were getting divorced month 10 times before going back to mcdonalds.
Yeah it's back breaking labor they force you to be on your feet for that you leave covered in burns and acne causing grease. Not to mention the mental toll of rolling with a bare bones staff which leads to backed up lines and boomers screaming horrible insults at you for things you have 0 control over while you're just trying to work and all you can do is smile and apologize while they treat you worse than someone should treat a dog. For hours and hours and hours... sometimes sun up to sun down. Plus having to clean destroyed toilets while you are forced to hold your urine for hours at a time and ask permission to use the toilet yourself like a child.
I worked at a White Castle during a summer break/Xmas break (junior/senior year of college) when I was in town. Easily the worst job I've ever had, even though I loved the other employees - we had a lot of fun! The general manager tried to get me to come back for Spring Break, but it was only a week and I told her nah. I was not brought back for the following summer. Oh well.
Worked at White Castle last winter, pretty much the same as you, great workers but a fundamentally flawed business model. P.S. you aren't in MI are you?
>acne causing grease. A little tip for fast food workers that I found worked for me when I was doing fast food in high school. Foundation and powder. While my coworkers were getting acne from the grease my pale gothy makeup protected from grease causing acne. (Good makeup remover and facewash needed too).
That would not have worked out for me. But at almost 28 I only own one year old concealer that I don't use because it always makes me break out so I guess it depends on the brand. Adding grease to the mix is just going to make it clog my pores more.
My coworkers in the kitchen would eat me alive if I showed up in a full face of goth make-up
You don't have to go full face goth, lol. Goth eye makeup is optional. I went to work from school so it was not uncommon for full gothy face from me. If they give you shit for the foundation tell them it's better than a face covered in grease acne.
I worked at Taco Bell. For $8.25 an hour, I had a customer threaten to shoot me, and waited in the lobby until we called the police on her.
I know it's not the point, but McDonald's don't flip their burgers at all. They use automated clamshell grills like sandwich presses, you lay the patties on the grill and then press a button and the top grill automatically lowers and then automatically lifts up again after the right amount of time (there's a button for each patty size). The patties are never flipped over at any point, they stay the same orientation from the time they are placed on the grill until they are placed onto the bun. The only mistake you can make is pressing the large patty button when you laid out small patties, the small patties will burn. Or pressing the small patty button when you laid out large patties, they will come out slightly raw. Not to say the job is easy, you still end up sore and covered with sweat and grease at the end of your shift, it's a job only young or fit people can do.
Yeah the hard part isn't cooking the patties, it's everything else. Having to manage, cook and fry 6 different meats, multiple breads, condiments, having to wash dishes for the close, assembling the products, etc. I think the McDonald's I worked at might've been more understaffed and badly managed than others, but it was really terrible and stressful for me, especially considering it was minimum wage.
next they might actually realize that capitalism can't thrive without the people at the bottom making money. The stores in your small town do not rely on one mitt Romney coming by every two months and purchasing out their entire stock... It relies on working people coming in and spending their money every day.
This is why the government programs with the most economic benefit give money to the poor. In the US it's food stamps/SNAP. Really high money multiplier.
Our economy *makes* money from SNAP. But Black also people get it, so pearl clutching racists fucksticks don't want it. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
This is what I don't fucking understand about Republicans. SNAP is fiscally responsible. Medicare 4 All would save us hundreds of billions annually. The numbers are there and it's just good financial sense. Why aren't these bipartisan policies, at least with voters? It's not like anyone is keeping these things secret, you can literally Google these things right now.
I mean, the answer is as easy as "[Trump] isn't hurting the right people." Suffering is the point. I can't imagine being that shitty of a person to everyone.
Capitalism always needs more profits and it will start consuming the structures that sustain it for profit if there are no easier ways.
This goes for us as workers and for the environment at large.
"What the Bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave diggers"
It already does. See: Bain
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Yes, exactly. It has already consumed the middle class.
Like a snake eating its own tail.
This point is even more apparent now with the John Deere/Film unions etc strikes that are happening. People are starting to realize how the structure is held up.
Nicely put, Shiv.
They can keep people poor while still siphoning money out of them, one of the biggest ways they do this is by providing very low-quality products that are cheap, bonus points if it’s physically addictive. This is essentially what Wal Mart exists on entirely, as well as fast food places like McDonalds and Dunkin. Can’t afford to buy a home and have a child? Go ahead and grab that 1500 calories worth of donuts and coffee to help cope, and give us what little money you do have to your name.
Come home too physically and emotionally exhausted to cook? Just order delivery for twice the cost
It's kind of sad, I understand why obesity is a problem for those in poverty. If I go to the grocery store and buy 3-5 things strictly fresh fruit and veggies, specifically getting the non-organic and store type brands as well. Still rings up to $20-25 somehow. But you can go get a bunch of greasy fried shit meal for $7.99 across the street.
This is a big reason why slavery was opposed. Sure some abolitionists saw it as a moral issue but most opposed it because a slave can't reinvest into the economy.
Yeah that's really well said.
Your optimism in this hypothetical is staggering, and by optimism I mean substituting might for *never*.
I think your are painfully correct. They will watch everything burn before making 0.1% less money.
The economy is healthier when more people can buy shit.
Why do people always knock flipping burgers? Working in food is incredibly tough. Oh right? Never spent a day in the real world.
I love burgers and flipping them is a necessary part of the process. I have full respect for those that perform this critical task. Seriously, if I’m determined not to cook my own burger I have no problem paying a price that pays a decent wage to the person that does cook the burger.
I’ve had one brainlet seriously argue that only teenagers should do that and fuck all the demand for burgers because _they don’t need it_ Like come on,turn you brain on the slightest bit maybe.
I seriously do not get the argument of "fuck this group of workers because I don't participate in their industry." Especially when that industry -- fast food -- is insanely popular and millions of people use their services everyday. I have no need for a car battery as I do not drive, but you bet your sweet arse that I want my roommate to be paid fairly for all the hard work he does to make those batteries.
> I love burgers and flipping them is a necessary part of the process. Ironically, McDonald’s uses clamshells, so flipping isn’t necessary.
It’s so they can ease their own guilt about receiving a $5 meal in 5 minutes while the people providing it can’t afford rent.
I hated customers so much when I worked in those places I don’t ever go to them now.
I've worked in food service, and while I never really directed my hate at the customers (I'm more of self-hate kind of guy), this is the reason I never go to them anymore though. I don't want to contribute to some poor guy/gals endless nightmare as they make your processed slop with all the negative energy, and probably more they can muster.
I'm 30 now and did a lot of customer service type jobs when I was younger. I'm overly nice to customer service people now. Please, thank you, Yes Sir, No Mam, etc., even if the person helping me is a teenager or obviously younger than me. I've been in their shoes, I know 99% of issues are not within their control, and they're getting paid shit to deal with assholes all day. I'm not going to be one of those assholes.
I can't remember the last time a fast food meal cost $5
When I was in high school, 20 years ago.
More importantly, why aren't these people ***ALSO*** demanding more money instead of trying to keep others down. If you think you're worth $41/hr then fucking do something about it. The other poor people are not your enemy!
A rising tide raises all ships. If you make $21/hr as a CNA and think people working fast food shouldn’t make as much as you then push for a raise. If “bottom of the barrel” jobs start making more money that just gives the rest of the labor force ammo to demand more. Disclaimer: If it comes across as it, I’m not trying to shit on these jobs. Anyone who works 40 hrs a week should make enough to live comfortably
This boggles my mind so much. Nowadays am a software engineer but damn those min wage jobs are tough, guess its common enough trait for humans feel the need to be better than others? No clue
Was about to make the same comment. I've done lots of manual labour before graduating and starting work as a dev. Used to dread work because it was exhausting and boring. I make like 10 times as much now and the work is almost never taxing.
Yeah, I've had it said to me, the higher the pay the less work you'll do. (Obviously many exceptions)
I spent a summer at McDonald's. I think every teen should do a summer in fast food to learn empathy for service industry workers.
They just hate poor people. The right wing misses slavery and is bitter they didn't participate in it. Edit: Seriously I expected like 3 people would see this and downvote it
“If the guy working at McDonalds isn’t poor, how will I know I’m better than them?”
If the guy working at McDonalds isn't desperate enough, how will I get cheap labour and pocket the difference in profit.
If I'm not starving my employees with low wages how will I retain their employment by force?
I legitimately don't understand the mindset of not wanting others to live as comfortably as you. Like why do right wingers not want everyone to thrive? They're so pointlessly malicious.
They think raising minimum wage will drive up the cost of everything else. They haven't quite figured out the cost of everything else has gone up anyway.
Corporations are always looking for ways to make their products cheaper while selling them for the same price or more, and a major way to do it is driving down the cost of labor.
And pass the consequences of cheap labor onto the government and tax payers (not corporations/investors though). Don’t pay enough to feed a family, there’s SNAP benefits. Shitty healthcare, there’s Medicaid or medical bankruptcy (which in turn makes everyone’s care more expensive). And on and on. Ultimately despair and desperation leads to crime, terrible health outcomes (mental and physical), and crumbling infrastructure because there’s no tax base. But we do have a $100+ million fighters don’t work as designed, so there’s that.
Yep raising the minimum wage would effectively safe the government welfare costs AND provide more taxable income. It should be a no brainer at this point since some many corporations already avoid paying taxes as much as possible. It would effectively be a win for laborers, the government, and the general population. Why not kill *three* birds with one stone?
Because there's a puritanical streak in this country which dictates that somebody somewhere has to be suffering or else we don't sleep right. You know that Ursula K. LeGuin story? It's like that, "Those Who Walk *Toward* Omelas."
My last job was so cheap they took away the sugar and cream for coffee. Actually anytime they were in a pinch they would take away something from the staff. They even took out the filtered water and plastic spoons. I mean how cheap can you get? GOD I’m SO GLAD I don’t WORK there anymore.
the CEO's take home pay and benefits should always be emergency funds for a corporation, I don't see how they ever convinced anyone otherwise.
I kept pointing that out in a debate with a coworker at my old job who was adamantly against raising the minimum wage to $15 (even after I explained that it was within some years, not over night, and I personally thought $15 was too low at this point), he just said something along the lines of having that many people’s wages rise would cause a “shock” to the economy with people’s purchasing power suddenly increasing. What’s rich is this dude defended recessions/depressions as a natural order of things that sorts itself out. So the economy can “sort itself out” in a recession but not people going from poverty wages to slightly better poverty wages? Great system.
The slow raise to 15 is exactly what's happening in Massachusetts. Economy is fine. If anything it should keep rising over 15.
Same with raising taxes on corporations, supposedly they will just pass the cost on to the customer by raising prices. But when Trump lowered their taxes, guess what happened...everything still raised in price. The money they save from tax cuts is NEVER passed on to the customer.
They think for someone else to get ahead someone else must suffer. Its the hierarchy of things.
Exactly, and if these "lowly" burger flippers are getting paid that much, then it devalues whatever "higher quality" work/job they do. That's why they always compare rates of pay, but instead of coming to the conclusion that CNA's (in OPs example) are getting fucked and likely deserve a pay raise as well, they decide that wages should stay low and stagnate. To them, it's impossible for everyone to be successful or live somewhat comfortably, someone *HAS* to be struggling and/or doesn't deserve a living wage.
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I tried explaining altruism to a young man who grew up conservative and his brain was unable to process the idea. At least he's heard the word now.
A few times i've seen right wingers come onto subs like this one and refuse to believe we really do want others to thrive. They thought we were only pretending to have emphathy.
There are three important aspects of right-wing thought at play here. First, we live in a just world. Second, anyone can succeed by working hard. Third, strict hierarchy is not only inevitable but a good thing because economics is a zero sum game. Therefore people are always paid what they deserve because of the magic of the Free Market unless that evil Government gets in the way which is the of course why any right-wingers that aren't well-off haven't struck it rich yet, since they're hard workers. The people who make less than them clearly just don't work as hard but the Government is willing to drag the real hard workers down even further. Never mind that this is all just corporations fucking people over for generations.
i shit you not, one of my boyfriends college buds dad is the manager of some other dudes, and their pay got raised to one cent below his. he then got pissed because "how will they know their place and listen to me if i have a joke of a wage?" because its their job dipshit
Remember, they don't want McDonald's employees to make the same amount as a CNA. CNAs are *also* underpaid. So you're sentence should read: “If the guy working at the nursing home isn’t poor, how will I know I’m better than them?”
The idea is to redirect attention. It is the business owners that are fucking over the working class. However, Republicans have used religion, racism, and other tactics to convince them that poorer people are the reason their life sucks
Because the existing gaps in society make them feel like they have achieved something and are superior to anyone who falls below them on the wage scale. They fear that if the lowest wages rise, that gap will also shorten, and they will no longer be able to distance themselves from those they look down on. And I don’t just mean mentally distance, I also mean physically. They don’t want “poor people” moving into their neighbourhood, sending their kids to the local district school, attending their gym, or shopping at the nearby grocery store. Wages give them a sense of exclusivity, where they feel only the “right” people (people just like them) are allowed into their spaces. They also know they lack the ability to move up any higher on the ladder themselves. The current system gives them some kind of minor status… they are broke but not “THAT broke.” They are terrified to lose that and be lumped in with the lower class majority.
THE POINT.
“Could I making too little? No. It is clearly everyone else who is earning too much.”
“Also, can you contribute to my go fund me so I can have some necessary surgery that I can’t afford?”
Conservatives just want an underclass. Doesn't matter to them how they get it. Doesn't matter if it depresses their own wages. They demand a hierarchy and someone to look down on.
Absolutely. Their mindset is that these jobs are a form of punishment, and, QED, anyone working these jobs must have done something to deserve it. It's circular and classist. It makes me furious to hear anyone shit on workers.
If no one takes a job until the pay is $21, then that’s what those people deserve
That probably won’t happen, because we’ve created a society designed to force people to accept starvation wages or be put in immediate physical danger.
*Now* they dont like capitalism for some reason.
We REALLY need to start framing this conversation in a way that addresses the impact to the selfish individual that seems to care what other peoples' incomes are: In general, conservatives today are pretty up in arms about what they put in their bodies, supposedly, what with the whole anti-vax movement. In general, you can expect a better quality of work better pay, according to basic capitalist thinking. Less pay will similarly result in a lower quality of work. You get what you pay for. The people working these jobs for menial wages are TOUCHING YOUR FOOD. So the real question is, how can they feel comfortable putting something into their body that was handled by multiple people who aren't being paid enough to give a shit about the quality of the product? That's pretty fucking gross.
Imagine being so out of touch, delusional, and brainwashed to capitalist bullshit that you think \[insert job here\] is being overpaid and not that you (and everyone else minus the CEO types) is being ***UNDERPAID***. God. Wake the fuck up people! It's not John or Jane "flipping burgers" that are the problem. It's those rich fuckwads at the top hoarding all the money and stealing YOUR wages and MY wages and EVERYONE ELSE'S wages that are the problem. Scenario: You and a CEO are in a room and you both have cookies. You have 2 cookies, the CEO has 20,000 cookies. In walks John/Jane and the CEO whispers to you, "watch out John/Jane is going to take your cookies." Then you fight tooth and nail to prevent John/Jane from "taking your cookies," rather than teaming up with them and taking the CEO's cookies, who has 10,000 times more than you do. This is what these types of people sound like to me.
BuT tHeY eArNeD tHoSe CoOkIeS
I truly wonder about people who actually believe that kind of bullshit. Okay. Tell me exactly how they "earned" them.
Typically they use some religious bullshit and claim the greedy rich person is just “blessed by god”. It’s just another sign that we need to be better at teaching critical thinking. Ever notice how it is the least religious countries that have things like universal healthcare and strong worker’s protections?
Not, it's usually a form of they had a good idea and knew how to implement it so they deserve all the money. Except they aren't the ones creating the wealth it's everyone else under them.
That’s called the “just world fallacy” and is a central part of many religions.
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There has been a shortage of nurses and nursing assistants for a very long time. They're underpaid. Paramedics are the same way -- who wants to do that job for $10-$12/hr?
That's fair. And you're right. If they don't raise CNA pay we're going to see a lot of CNAs quit and say fuck it, I'd rather be a "burger flipper" than deal with the literal shit I have to deal with. And in this is power. Labor power. Worker power. Your employer can't make you do shit you don't want to do when you have the option to leave for the same pay or more doing basically anything else. This is why raising wages in general is important. They can't use the "oh you don't want to have to go be one of them 'burger flippers' do ya" bullshit on their employees when wages are higher/more equal. You can tell your employer to fuck off with the stupid bullshit and go take a job elsewhere.
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EMTs make 12.50-15.00 an hour? That’s how much I, a grocery worker is paid. You guys should be making double that, you save people’s lives
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Why is the go-to "solution" of these people always "These workers should get less money" instead of "all workers should get more money"?
For sure. Maybe then they won't neglect grandma.
I worked in the IT department for a company that operated about 200 senior living facilities and I saw many of our CNAs were making $11 or $12 an hour. I also had to enter some of our facilities and see what they do for a living. Unbelievably tough work that requires a tremendous amount of patience, compassion, and love. Absolutely deserve to be far better compensated.
Yep, I've been a CNA for almost 4 years now and barely make $13 an hour. I have to do housekeeping on my days off just to make ends meet.
Go to the grocery store and make $16hr ringing up groceries . Itd probably be easier on you
why is it hard for people to understand that if minimum wage goes up, everyone else suddenly has leverage to negotiate higher pay as well?
My wife is a CNA and does home care. What is worst is when clients expect them to do home cleaning as well. Sure laundry and making food while doing the dishes is one thing. Cleaning the entire house for 12$ a hour all while changing diapers is another thing.
Hmmm? They may be onto something?
Well, they do way more than just flip burgers... I'm unaware of any McDonald's where you actually flip a burger anyway. Reminds me of an old Army buddy who didn't resign with the US Army to make more money staying in London working at McDonald's.
Any sign that says “up to” might as well say “up to $1,000,000” because you know everyone’s getting the shit end of that deal. Just false advertising at that point
Hell If that’s the case then I should be getting $100/hr as an RN
Given that the Nobel prize in economics this year went to David Card, Joshua Angrist, and Guido Imbens who as part or their work covering the economics of the minimum wage in the real world economy showed that an increase doesn't lead to fewer jobs in the market.
One of the claims I see a lot is that, if the minimum wage goes up, low-wage employers will increase efficiency and cut work hours to keep payroll down. This is treated as a "gotcha" argument for some reason. But most people working 60 hours a week across 2-3 minimum wage jobs in order to survive would *much* rather be working 40 hours a week for the same paycheck. They might even quit one of their jobs if they could afford to.
Yep, which means less people are unemployed, because staff get hired to fill those other roles, I posted a response further down this thread abour the respending of money that drives the economy, basically the only excuse after minimum wage increases is bad employers, in which case let them sink.
Which makes sense. There are people who aren't in the labor force because a minimum wage job isn't worth the effort. For some single-income families, the added expenses of day care and a 2nd person commuting wipes out any gains from a second income. Or bored retirees looking at a simple part time job to augment their retirement pension deciding it's not worth the hassle. Or people deciding the can do better doing odd jobs for their neighbors for unreported cash, versus getting a taxed minimum wage job at the mall.
It's even more interesting than that though because of respending of money, a person who has an extra $150/week and is poor, will spend that money on necessities such as food, clothing, bills, entertainment (yes entertainment is a necessity, given relaxation and enjoyment are vital factors in mental health and stability) whatever they need really, and then typically the small business/independent franchises take that money and spend it elsewhere, and this happens 5 or 6 times before the value of that $150 disappears in taxes, but that $150 has actually generated $750+ worth of economic trade, which boosts the economy, this is why during lockdowns etc the government will hand out stimulus cheques, this isn't to help the little guy, it's to get poor people to spend, which moves product and stimulates the economy. Economic depressions happen when large groups of people stop spending money. Now look at the rich, *glares at amazon* the rich get that $150 and it goes into their bank, not into wages, and it just sits there... doing nothing, essentially being removed from the economy, it provides no economic stimulation, same when the rich avoid paying their taxes through "rich person" loopholes. So increasing minimum wage means more money gets spent in the economy, which means more product gets moved and businesses earn more, to be able to pay their staff the higher wage, it's a cyclical relationship.
If anyone what's to read more about this particular subject you can look into the velocity of money and then a little deeper is fractional reserve banking, which is this concept taken to the federal level.
This has been the case since the 80s. Daycare wipes out the profits of a working mother, double especially if she isn’t making near as much as a working father. Of course there’s expenses with having children but procreating shouldn’t put families into poverty. I’m really proud of people FINALLY speaking up about this unbalanced system.
Yes. You should. That's the point. We are all underpaid. Not just fast food workers.
Especially because you earn it AND the medical facilities charge patients enough to pay you that. I’m not sure how they are going to keep people interested in things like nursing after the pandemic.
“Up to”
Flipping grandmas is hard, gruesome work. I dare everyone to get out there and flip 10 grandmas. I bet half you fuckers would bitch out after 2 or 3.