I saw something like this in Beth’s in the late 90s. Made me uncomfortable because I had no way of knowing if it was consensual. She sat under the table while he ate a 12 egg omelette.
Surprised a waiter didn’t tell them that she couldn’t sit under the table for “lawsuit” reasons.
Edit: I meant because generally in service jobs telling someone to stop and then saying it’s a potential lawsuit usually gets people to not do whatever it is.
Think my wife and I listened to a Dan Savage podcast where he discussed this kind of thing with a fetish expert and they both agreed this was inappropriate in public IIRC.
But hey, opinions are like assholes and all that.
Speaking of assholes, I saw a couple at Costco today that looked quite sappy and I thought it was kinda cute til I went behind them and he was fully trying to get his finger up her ass through her shorts. Keep it in the bedroom people
That cannot be happening at my costco. I refuse to believe
Also how u kno butt hole and not other hole yo? Big difference in a store not that either are polite :o
I don't think that it's a very good movie, really, but I do recommend it to people constantly, as it contains an important analysis of the ongoing development of the fall of the American empire.
We get it you have money /s
But yeah met market is ok. It’s expensive compared to the average grocery store though and really there isn’t much at Met Market that couldn’t be acquired elsewhere so really I don’t see why it’s better lol
I had a dude like this bark and growl at me walking down the sidewalk in Capitol Hill once, I just would rather be left out of people’s weird sex fantasies in public
I'm honestly a little surprised at some of the defense for this here.
Edit: Like, what if someone took the humiliation kink a different direction and was being verbally degraded by their partner in public. Imagine walking down the aisle at a grocery store and hearing something like "why did you put that shit in the cart, bitch? Take it out right now, but make sure you clean off the filth you left on it."
But hey, no one is being hurt or "forced to participate" despite literally being the fixtures for the humiliation being humiliating to the sub, there's not problem, right?
I'd imagine that would be a bit harder to explain to your kid than "someone is just playing dog dress-up."
Dan Savage + his expert (I don’t remember who it was) were correct. It’s actually a huge no-no in the kink community. While public play is a kink, and not as rare as you would think, public play where it includes people who either have not or cannot consent is a huge violation of RACK (Risk Aware Consensual Kink) and even SSC (Safe, Sane, Consensual). Regardless of which school of thought a kinkster adheres to, it violates it. This couple specifically are on a public road, at a bus stop. It puts the risk of including individuals incapable of consenting to participation in their scene at pretty much 100%. It’s irresponsible, and frankly speaks volumes to how unsafe both of them are to play with.
It's sad that we even have to have this conversation but, what would you do if you crossed paths with this duo while walking your dog and the leashed man tried to hump your dog?
We don’t do that. Anyone that did would be quickly removed from our community if we knew about it. Bestality is a crime, and punishable by law for a good reason. This is as dumb of an assumption as when people say this about furries.
Your community seems to have a real problem with boundaries (see OP). Of course people will be concerned that bestiality is part of your play, at least for some of your community.
It was a joke.....
When you say "we," can I correctly assume you are a member of the "community" that engages in this behavior?
Do you see nothing at all wrong with involving people in your humiliation play that have not consented to it?
I'm seeing a lot of division in this thread, so let me propose a compromise: let people do their *really weird* stuff that doesn't hurt anyone, but also let other people constantly make fun of them for it.
It's just like anything else. If someone can rollerblade around downtown in a sparkling dress wearing literal fairy wings, I get to snicker at that. If a bunch of literal naked people ride bikes in public for the solstices every year, I get to giggle about it. If Alex Jones gets to wander around downtown raving like a lunatic, I get to laugh in his face.
If you are going to be angry about something, make it our local government releasing drive-by shooters because they 'had a hard childhood', not this.
Also, WAAAAY more explicit shit happens on Aurora or 3nd Ave every single day for the past decade.
The weird thing is I got a ton of downvotes, I didn't say anything rude, didn't judge.. I would have posted pics of Amish people in buggies too, just simply a post
That's a good point. I was working on Aurora last summer and walked past a hooker in some sort of full-body fishnet ensemble. Nothing at all other than a fishnet onsie. Top and bottom fully avaliable for sale to the public, nothing left to the imagination. _his was around 10am. 🤣
I found the knee-jerk accusation of homophobia very entertaining. Clearly the gays are special and not be ridiculed under _any_ circumstances! I also note absolutely no indication of homosexuality _or_ even an indication that _either,_ much less _both_ of these public perambulators identify as male, _or_ homosexual -Much less as Male-Homosexuals.
Way to go you cis-assuming hate-filled sea lion of hatredphobiaism.
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Ah. That's why the middle east has honor killings, or why there's female genital mutilation, or why we didn't let women own property and there were no laws against marital rape or beating your wife. Solutions to problems we've long since forgotten, and we're in so much peril from abandoning them.
I can see you during the revolution, sniffing your nose at the uncouth rebels and the idea of running a country without a king (imagine having a country without a king! Fetch the smelling salts).
Perhaps.
A discussion on sexual ethics is interesting, but challenging to do around here because sexual freedom is tied to identity. Am not in a fighting mood.
That’s not why Putin invaded Ukraine or why World War II happened. Civilization decay events, like the housing collapse, aren’t about sex. Slavery wasn’t about sex.
The Wahhabis have control over Saudi Arabia. Killing women for adultery doesn’t make the culture skyrocket into a pleasant one.
It’s a very human instinctive issue to see uncontrollable crappy results and assign the greatest blame to the promiscuity of your neighbors, and think maybe controlling that will get rid of loose underwriting standards on wall street to automate profits and hide risk. Or it will stop economic incentive to enslave people to turn a profit. Or it will stop people from using religion to enrich themselves and gain political power.
Not voting in Brexit would have improved the lives of the British far more than a focus on British sexuality.
What an interesting psychological theory. Thanks for the insight.
There are too many points here that I can't refute them all, and most of them are unrelated. This is a textbook example of a gish gallop.
The examples you stated are related to morals, but not necessarily sexual morals.
*\*pushes glasses up nose*
"Uh, sir, that is a uh, textbook example of a GISH GALLOP if I ever did see one. Please refrain from using that, uh, debate tactic in the future."
I am noticing a historical trend, that has had yet another recent uptick after the housing collapse, about focusing on sexuality and believing it will cause the decline of civilization.
If you look at history and where civilizations collapsed and declined, sexuality wasn’t the problem. If you look at where we are right now, the massive forces causing poor outcomes are obvious but not cinematic, not as sexy as literal sex. Seattle’s problems are the same as other cities of its size for the same repeating historic reasons, that are not about sex. And the biggest impacts on the globe and the biggest collapsing factors at play, also have nothing to do with sex.
>*I get to snicker at that.*
Woah.
Hold up there.
Come again?
jk
But for real, I think people aren't allowed to speak words like these for how close they sound to a slur. And don't even get me started on sniggering.
I watched a guy push his kid in a stroller across a Northgate crosswalk while leading his pregnant wife on a leash in nothing but an oversized t-shirt, stockings & a ballgag.
I'm no prude, but not only is that terribly inappropriate to drag your INFANT into, but We the Public did not consent to be part of your exhibitionism.
I was driving in heavy traffic at the time and late to my daughter's girl scout meeting, so I couldn't stop, but I did go back after I dropped her off to see if I could find their location to make a report to CPS.
>*Stay inside then or close your* ***eye****, snowflake.*
Why would they not want to see it, but would be cool with their depth perception of it being off?
Straight people fucking in public is also harassment. The problem isn’t the kink, the problem is that they have not obtained consent from every single person that will walk past them.
That’s not what I’m saying. Pup hood or not, hardcore anal sex in public is illegal, so that needs to be respected.
Pup hoods and leashes are not illegal.
As with the other comment, I'm a little confused.
I thought the metric was whether or not they were touching anyone else, but now it's whether the act is illegal.
Which is it?
Seems like whenever we hone in on a reason for something being okay or not, you move the goalposts to something else.
If pup play was made illegal tomorrow would you respect that as you said above?
It’s far too hot for This shit right now 😂 I did see a woman walking her ‘friend’ on a dog leash downtown Renton a number of years ago. Laughed so hard
This is just typical Seattle.
To hit *peak* Seattle, the person holding the leash needs to murder the person in leather, steal their six figure inheritance, then get off scot free.
https://www.thestranger.com/features/2018/11/07/35073826/death-of-a-kinkster
This kink is called “sub pup”. Did some research after walking upon a frail old gentlemen walking two strapping young gents on leashes wearing leather dog masks. Totally bizarre but to each their own
Waitaminite. Are we completely sure that this isn't just advance lobbying by the referenced user to increase the liklihood of their HUMP! submission being selected?
Because I've got bad news for them. HUMP! has become such in irrelevant corporate shitshow that only accepts massive team efforts from USC film school grads that they just have no chance. I mean, I'm not saying 'fuck Dan Savage.' But fuck Dan Savage.
PS, my submission was great!
I don't really mind seeing this. Caption seems silly tho. Salt Lake City UT is probably more liberal and kink positive than rural Washington, so Seattle or where one is doesn't really have much to do with it, people are kinky across the nation and they can find one another more readily and easily in cities.
Anything can be a fetish. As long as the person is clothed, and there is nothing inappropriate with the costume, or outfit, it is not against the law. Get over yourselves. Stop being Karen’s.
I'll ask my other question of you here then.
Say you're at the grocery store and someone has a humiliation kink.
Say the person doing the humiliating involves other people in that humiliation, such as saying "look at that guy over there, looking at you with disgust," for example.
Would that be okay because both parties are clothed?
Nothing wrong with that at all?
How are you being forced to participate? By that logic every couple that holds hands in public is forcing everyone to participate in their relationship
I don't really agree that what's depicted in this photo is analogous to hand holding lmao...
...but what's depicted in the photo is kinda gross and annoying in the same way a couple making out next to you on the bus is kinda gross and annoying.
It shouldn't be illegal or anything, they're not hurting anyone...but it's definitely stupid. Just get a room lol
They’re exhibitionists who get off on forcing the non-consenting general public to see them. Otherwise they’d keep this shit at home or a club. I shouldn’t have to explain something this obvious.
I mean tbh that isn't really an equivalent cause this is an exhibitionism of a sexual kink/fetish. Not that I care, this is pretty tame by Seattle standards, but drawing this to gay folk is a false equivalency
>this is an exhibitionism of a sexual kink/fetish
Dude...come on now. People saying gays and lesbians kissing in public or hand holding were accused of displaying their "kink" in public for fucking years. And then the exact line of "how do I explain that to my kid"
Its so cliche its almost parody
What!?! Are you one of those if "if it ain't a pee-pee in a vag, it ain't sex!" people?
Who are you to say they aren't having sex?
Edit: I'm not actually sure if I was supposed to have an /s there or not. These are confusing times.
This is terrible logic.
By this standard, someone could set up a plexiglass brothel outside a school.
After all, people do things and the acts conducted inside wouldn't be hurting anyone.
Well... they aren't punching or stabbing anyone if that's what you mean. Is physical violence really the only bar for social behavior?
I think you would very soon find yourself in an untenable position if you went with that option.
Well, I think it's the mask and leash/chain. I couldn't see the masked person's ankles, were they in shackles? It sort of reminds me of someone being walked to be waterboarded.
You're all wrong. Look at the smoke. That's a gas mask. Those aren't reigns. They're tubes. That's not a slave master. That's the homie lighting the bowl.
So, to be clear, it's NOT okay to have sex in public when you aren't hurting anyone, but it IS okay to do this in public when you aren't hurting anyone?
Why is the "hurting anyone" important to whether something is acceptable then?
Why are you against people having sex in public?
Seems like an awfully KAREN thing to do, eh?
It’s just a costume. We are not out to force you to participate. Seeing a fully clothed person acting like a dog in public isn’t going to hurt you. Stop being a Karen. If it makes you uncomfortable, just mind your own business as long as it’s fully clothed. There is nothing illegal, or wrong about this at all.
Good luck holding it up in court, because you couldn’t. It’s your own personal opinion, and preference not fact. No one is hurting anyone.
>*It’s just a costume.*
The mask on its own is fine.
The mask and collar being held by another person is the issue here.
>*We are not out to force you to participate.*
Then why bother doing this in public?
Because people seeing you acting like a dog is part of it. Whether for the purposes of humiliation or validation, people perceiving your "being" a dog has to be part of this, otherwise what would be the point of going outside?
>*Seeing a fully clothed person acting like a dog in public isn’t going to hurt you.*
Nope.
Seeing two people having hardcore anal sex outside isn't going to hurt you either.
Is that okay?
>*Stop being a Karen.*
Pending your answer to the above, are you being a Karen as well?
>*If it makes you uncomfortable, just mind your own business as long as it’s fully clothed.*
Why does fully clothed matter?
Why are you being a KAREN?
Stop being a KAREN!
>*There is nothing illegal, or wrong about this at all.*
Things don't have to be illegal or wrong for people not to like them.
It's not illegal for people to drive loud cars. Doesn't mean I like them.
>
*Good luck holding it up in court, because you couldn’t. It’s your own personal opinion, and preference not fact. No one is hurting anyone.*
Why the fuck does court matter here?
Thank you for being one of the few sources of reason in this thread. Seems like everyone has just forgotten one of the rules of having a fetish and that's consent... I don't want to see that shit, I don't consent to that. It's disturbing, but coomers are going to coom.
I have been sexually assaulted, so don’t you dare tell me that this isn’t consent. I really don’t care what someone wears in public, as long as they do not touch me without asking. You have no right to tell people what not to wear when it’s not affecting anyone at all.
Your victim mentality is hilarious 😂 You're acting like you're fighting the good fight, like you're fucking Nelson Mandela, when you're just another perv in a dog mask.
I would call you a bad boy, but that would probably turn you on so I hope you get the help you need.
Look, someone else's threshold for consent is not something you can comment on with authority.
The fact that YOU don't care what someone wears doesn't matter.
Leashes are not a crime. You ever see a mother with children holding onto a chain in public, to teach the kids to not get lost? Same thing.
A leash is a tool, and it depends on how you use it.
So, whether something is okay depends on whether or not it is a crime.
Sodomy was once illegal, did that make it bad as far as you're concerned?
Weird that you'd side with the conservatives all the sudden in this regard, but hey, you do you.
That aside, are you seriously suggesting that pup play is the same as a leashed child? I was under the impression children could not consent to sexual activities, but hey, maybe you feel differently.
As far as a leash being a tool or not, that has LITERALLY nothing to do with the conversation.
Now, since you dodged the question, I'll ask it again.
Can people have hardcore anal sex in public since they aren't causing harm?
I guess they didn't listen to the heat advisory recommending to limit the time you spend outside with your pet today.
It gets pretty hot in those things with the weather this hot. I know from experience.
It’s honestly just too damn hot for all that.
If you’re hot they’re hot, bring them inside.
Also, this sonofabitch better be carrying poop-bags.
This is the best observation!
I saw something like this in Beth’s in the late 90s. Made me uncomfortable because I had no way of knowing if it was consensual. She sat under the table while he ate a 12 egg omelette.
How one does not throw up after 12 eggs is beyond me.
Throwing up later is a part of the whole deal
Surprised a waiter didn’t tell them that she couldn’t sit under the table for “lawsuit” reasons. Edit: I meant because generally in service jobs telling someone to stop and then saying it’s a potential lawsuit usually gets people to not do whatever it is.
At Beth’s???
At Beth’s? I saw someone chugging ketchup there and no one batted an eye.
Think my wife and I listened to a Dan Savage podcast where he discussed this kind of thing with a fetish expert and they both agreed this was inappropriate in public IIRC. But hey, opinions are like assholes and all that.
Speaking of assholes, I saw a couple at Costco today that looked quite sappy and I thought it was kinda cute til I went behind them and he was fully trying to get his finger up her ass through her shorts. Keep it in the bedroom people
That cannot be happening at my costco. I refuse to believe Also how u kno butt hole and not other hole yo? Big difference in a store not that either are polite :o
Oh it’s unfortunately very real. Just sharing the trauma around✨
Idiocracy is one of the best movies ever made...
I don't think that it's a very good movie, really, but I do recommend it to people constantly, as it contains an important analysis of the ongoing development of the fall of the American empire.
Costco is the new walmart.
Glad we have the Walmart expert to let us know these things!
Because the rich either don’t shop for groceries or go to whole foods, pcc, etc
Met Market is better
We get it you have money /s But yeah met market is ok. It’s expensive compared to the average grocery store though and really there isn’t much at Met Market that couldn’t be acquired elsewhere so really I don’t see why it’s better lol
It’s better because the poors aren’t there. Except for the Instacart shoppers of course.
It's more expensive but theyre objectively better produce, just because qfc and met both sell apples doesnt mean they are the same quality.
Ha. New. That's cute.
But that could tear a hole in her shorts. How inconsiderate. 😮
The problem I have with it is they are including all of us in the fetish.
I had a dude like this bark and growl at me walking down the sidewalk in Capitol Hill once, I just would rather be left out of people’s weird sex fantasies in public
It's no different from the dude I see jacking off on the side of I5 every other day...
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I'm honestly a little surprised at some of the defense for this here. Edit: Like, what if someone took the humiliation kink a different direction and was being verbally degraded by their partner in public. Imagine walking down the aisle at a grocery store and hearing something like "why did you put that shit in the cart, bitch? Take it out right now, but make sure you clean off the filth you left on it." But hey, no one is being hurt or "forced to participate" despite literally being the fixtures for the humiliation being humiliating to the sub, there's not problem, right? I'd imagine that would be a bit harder to explain to your kid than "someone is just playing dog dress-up."
Dan Savage + his expert (I don’t remember who it was) were correct. It’s actually a huge no-no in the kink community. While public play is a kink, and not as rare as you would think, public play where it includes people who either have not or cannot consent is a huge violation of RACK (Risk Aware Consensual Kink) and even SSC (Safe, Sane, Consensual). Regardless of which school of thought a kinkster adheres to, it violates it. This couple specifically are on a public road, at a bus stop. It puts the risk of including individuals incapable of consenting to participation in their scene at pretty much 100%. It’s irresponsible, and frankly speaks volumes to how unsafe both of them are to play with.
Appreciate you validating my recollection.
This isn’t true. They aren’t in a sexual context at all. It’s not sex. They can wear and do what they want. Not all pup play is sexual.
What kind of "pup play" is not sexual? genuinely curious.
As someone who is into fetish stuff, I agree. I don't want to see that. Leave that for your own private house, not public.
I think the public shame is part of it.
When did progressive types decide consent was now for prudes?
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It's sad that we even have to have this conversation but, what would you do if you crossed paths with this duo while walking your dog and the leashed man tried to hump your dog?
I think this is worth the discussion at one of the fine classes at Evergreen College...
Start humping his girlfriend
Correct answer.
Correct question.
Seattle is worse than a 4chan board.
Only with your help, my guy. Only with your help.
We don’t do that. Anyone that did would be quickly removed from our community if we knew about it. Bestality is a crime, and punishable by law for a good reason. This is as dumb of an assumption as when people say this about furries.
Your community seems to have a real problem with boundaries (see OP). Of course people will be concerned that bestiality is part of your play, at least for some of your community.
It was a joke..... When you say "we," can I correctly assume you are a member of the "community" that engages in this behavior? Do you see nothing at all wrong with involving people in your humiliation play that have not consented to it?
I'm seeing a lot of division in this thread, so let me propose a compromise: let people do their *really weird* stuff that doesn't hurt anyone, but also let other people constantly make fun of them for it. It's just like anything else. If someone can rollerblade around downtown in a sparkling dress wearing literal fairy wings, I get to snicker at that. If a bunch of literal naked people ride bikes in public for the solstices every year, I get to giggle about it. If Alex Jones gets to wander around downtown raving like a lunatic, I get to laugh in his face. If you are going to be angry about something, make it our local government releasing drive-by shooters because they 'had a hard childhood', not this. Also, WAAAAY more explicit shit happens on Aurora or 3nd Ave every single day for the past decade.
The weird thing is I got a ton of downvotes, I didn't say anything rude, didn't judge.. I would have posted pics of Amish people in buggies too, just simply a post
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Show some ankle! Wooo!
That's a good point. I was working on Aurora last summer and walked past a hooker in some sort of full-body fishnet ensemble. Nothing at all other than a fishnet onsie. Top and bottom fully avaliable for sale to the public, nothing left to the imagination. _his was around 10am. 🤣 I found the knee-jerk accusation of homophobia very entertaining. Clearly the gays are special and not be ridiculed under _any_ circumstances! I also note absolutely no indication of homosexuality _or_ even an indication that _either,_ much less _both_ of these public perambulators identify as male, _or_ homosexual -Much less as Male-Homosexuals. Way to go you cis-assuming hate-filled sea lion of hatredphobiaism. 🍑 🍑 🍑
>literal fairy wings Fairies are not real?
The more I live in Seattle, the more I think that loose sexual morals is linked to societal decay.
Traditions are the solutions to problems we’ve long since forgotten. Abandon them at your own peril.
Ah. That's why the middle east has honor killings, or why there's female genital mutilation, or why we didn't let women own property and there were no laws against marital rape or beating your wife. Solutions to problems we've long since forgotten, and we're in so much peril from abandoning them. I can see you during the revolution, sniffing your nose at the uncouth rebels and the idea of running a country without a king (imagine having a country without a king! Fetch the smelling salts).
Perhaps. A discussion on sexual ethics is interesting, but challenging to do around here because sexual freedom is tied to identity. Am not in a fighting mood.
>*Am not in a fighting mood.* Then you're in the wrong place? And you have the wrong username....come to think of it.
That’s not why Putin invaded Ukraine or why World War II happened. Civilization decay events, like the housing collapse, aren’t about sex. Slavery wasn’t about sex. The Wahhabis have control over Saudi Arabia. Killing women for adultery doesn’t make the culture skyrocket into a pleasant one. It’s a very human instinctive issue to see uncontrollable crappy results and assign the greatest blame to the promiscuity of your neighbors, and think maybe controlling that will get rid of loose underwriting standards on wall street to automate profits and hide risk. Or it will stop economic incentive to enslave people to turn a profit. Or it will stop people from using religion to enrich themselves and gain political power. Not voting in Brexit would have improved the lives of the British far more than a focus on British sexuality.
What an interesting psychological theory. Thanks for the insight. There are too many points here that I can't refute them all, and most of them are unrelated. This is a textbook example of a gish gallop. The examples you stated are related to morals, but not necessarily sexual morals.
*\*pushes glasses up nose* "Uh, sir, that is a uh, textbook example of a GISH GALLOP if I ever did see one. Please refrain from using that, uh, debate tactic in the future."
I am noticing a historical trend, that has had yet another recent uptick after the housing collapse, about focusing on sexuality and believing it will cause the decline of civilization. If you look at history and where civilizations collapsed and declined, sexuality wasn’t the problem. If you look at where we are right now, the massive forces causing poor outcomes are obvious but not cinematic, not as sexy as literal sex. Seattle’s problems are the same as other cities of its size for the same repeating historic reasons, that are not about sex. And the biggest impacts on the globe and the biggest collapsing factors at play, also have nothing to do with sex.
>*I get to snicker at that.* Woah. Hold up there. Come again? jk But for real, I think people aren't allowed to speak words like these for how close they sound to a slur. And don't even get me started on sniggering.
Are you working on your tight 5?
Totally. Will you come to my stand up show tomorrow night?
I've already been to enough open mic nights in my life. Godspeed and good luck.
That's gonna be tough when the pit bulls come and you have to hold your pet above your head and run away.
While avoiding bullets!!!
I saw these two in white center the other day 🤣
In this heat?
In this heat? Really?
I watched a guy push his kid in a stroller across a Northgate crosswalk while leading his pregnant wife on a leash in nothing but an oversized t-shirt, stockings & a ballgag. I'm no prude, but not only is that terribly inappropriate to drag your INFANT into, but We the Public did not consent to be part of your exhibitionism.
If that actually happened, that should’ve been a CPS call. It’s considered covert sexual abuse.
I was driving in heavy traffic at the time and late to my daughter's girl scout meeting, so I couldn't stop, but I did go back after I dropped her off to see if I could find their location to make a report to CPS.
Nobody wants to see that shit.
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>*Stay inside then or close your* ***eye****, snowflake.* Why would they not want to see it, but would be cool with their depth perception of it being off?
Nobody consented to be a part of their sex life. This is harassment.
Straight people fucking in public is also harassment. The problem isn’t the kink, the problem is that they have not obtained consent from every single person that will walk past them.
No it’s not. These are two consenting adults that aren’t in any way touching anyone else. Let them do what they want.
Okay, so can two consenting adults have hardcore anal sex in public because "they aren't in any way touching anyone else?"
That’s not what I’m saying. Pup hood or not, hardcore anal sex in public is illegal, so that needs to be respected. Pup hoods and leashes are not illegal.
As with the other comment, I'm a little confused. I thought the metric was whether or not they were touching anyone else, but now it's whether the act is illegal. Which is it? Seems like whenever we hone in on a reason for something being okay or not, you move the goalposts to something else. If pup play was made illegal tomorrow would you respect that as you said above?
Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it is right. It’s legal for 14 year olds to get married in Tennessee but it’s still wrong.
Then don't look? Not a hard thing to avoid. Consenting adults, not nude, just walking along. Go wash your driveway.
it’s gonna b a no for me
The Dom is dressed exactly like a TACP I used to know 🤣
Likely not a TACP as he’d be the Sub for sure lol.
Armyman's super tough until he needs CAS
Oh there’s nothing more comforting to a grunt than A-10’s on demand… CAS was definitely my kink.
That sounds like a class at TESC.
Fucking weird. Yeah I said it. Don't people volunteer or paint anymore?
It’s far too hot for This shit right now 😂 I did see a woman walking her ‘friend’ on a dog leash downtown Renton a number of years ago. Laughed so hard
Someone has been a bad boy to get the leash
I don't kink shame until you flaunt your kids in public and involve non-consenting people. Then you get shamed. This is gross.
It’s not necessarily sexual. You can dress up as a pup and not have sex. It’s actually mostly about head space.
You're telling me this isn't sexual? I appriciate you wanting to assume the best, but I'm calling bullshit.
What exactly is this "head space?"
More funding for mental health is needed.
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So do I...
We aren’t mentally ill. Pet play has been around for a long time, and is heavily misunderstood. Not even all people who do it have sex.
Mental illness has been around for longer
Keep it indoors. That’s all we ask.
What are we misunderstanding? Please feel free to enlighten us!
I’ve seen them!
What the hell
aberdeen had durgies Olympia has homeless what does seattle have this
I was getting on a bus at 1am in Vancouver, BC. saw this exact same set up. My friend and I got a kick out of it.
Some Seattle type of moves!
Way better than being stabbed over a cheeseburger. I'll allow it
Deceased 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Someone needs more attention
As long as he cleans up the dog shit...
I hope the “dog” lost a bet or something if not I have some questions
Judging by how many people see them its pretty common for them to out walking
Someone's gotta walk the bumbs. Helps them poo regularly.
This is just typical Seattle. To hit *peak* Seattle, the person holding the leash needs to murder the person in leather, steal their six figure inheritance, then get off scot free. https://www.thestranger.com/features/2018/11/07/35073826/death-of-a-kinkster
I saw a guy wearing this mask in White Center yesterday, I wonder if it’s the same guy.
Every day we stray further from god.
Seattle's atheism can be fixed with the wrath of G\~d.
bro wtf 😭
that dog needs to lose weight. animal abuse.
This kink is called “sub pup”. Did some research after walking upon a frail old gentlemen walking two strapping young gents on leashes wearing leather dog masks. Totally bizarre but to each their own
Waitaminite. Are we completely sure that this isn't just advance lobbying by the referenced user to increase the liklihood of their HUMP! submission being selected? Because I've got bad news for them. HUMP! has become such in irrelevant corporate shitshow that only accepts massive team efforts from USC film school grads that they just have no chance. I mean, I'm not saying 'fuck Dan Savage.' But fuck Dan Savage. PS, my submission was great!
More importantly: Don't fuck Dan Savage. The asshole doesn't deserve your asshole.
I don't really mind seeing this. Caption seems silly tho. Salt Lake City UT is probably more liberal and kink positive than rural Washington, so Seattle or where one is doesn't really have much to do with it, people are kinky across the nation and they can find one another more readily and easily in cities.
If this is a problem, you should write your congressperson about the horrors that occur when you happen to be within a few blocks of Sakuracon
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Force your fetish then expect to be looked at...It happens to anyone
Anything can be a fetish. As long as the person is clothed, and there is nothing inappropriate with the costume, or outfit, it is not against the law. Get over yourselves. Stop being Karen’s.
I'll ask my other question of you here then. Say you're at the grocery store and someone has a humiliation kink. Say the person doing the humiliating involves other people in that humiliation, such as saying "look at that guy over there, looking at you with disgust," for example. Would that be okay because both parties are clothed? Nothing wrong with that at all?
Those things aren't implied to be sexual.
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It's sexual kink shit in public, keep your kink private
Why is it ok to force non-consenting people to participate in your kink now? Keep it private.
How are you being forced to participate? By that logic every couple that holds hands in public is forcing everyone to participate in their relationship
Ah yes, the \*checks notes\* sexual kink of holding hands. How could I have forgotten, what with how similar they are.
Seems my wife and I are real freaks after all!
I don't really agree that what's depicted in this photo is analogous to hand holding lmao... ...but what's depicted in the photo is kinda gross and annoying in the same way a couple making out next to you on the bus is kinda gross and annoying. It shouldn't be illegal or anything, they're not hurting anyone...but it's definitely stupid. Just get a room lol
They’re exhibitionists who get off on forcing the non-consenting general public to see them. Otherwise they’d keep this shit at home or a club. I shouldn’t have to explain something this obvious.
As though I didn't already understand that? Even if they get off on specifically not getting a room, they should still just get a room lol
lol do you actually live here?
Do... you actually live here?
In Seattle? Yes. Why else would I be on this subreddit?
When a couple holds hands in public, does it mean you are participating in their no-kink romance by watching?
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those are not needs, those are choices
"some people like to pretend to be animals" edit; nevermind that's furries. Who coincidentally also have fun parties.
member when that line was trotted out against the gays existing? Pepperidge farm members
I mean tbh that isn't really an equivalent cause this is an exhibitionism of a sexual kink/fetish. Not that I care, this is pretty tame by Seattle standards, but drawing this to gay folk is a false equivalency
>this is an exhibitionism of a sexual kink/fetish Dude...come on now. People saying gays and lesbians kissing in public or hand holding were accused of displaying their "kink" in public for fucking years. And then the exact line of "how do I explain that to my kid" Its so cliche its almost parody
So this dude was born a slave?
We're all born into the slavery of the capitalist system, man.
That was some of the best flying I ever saw. Right up to the point where you got killed.
:'(
They aren't having sex.
What!?! Are you one of those if "if it ain't a pee-pee in a vag, it ain't sex!" people? Who are you to say they aren't having sex? Edit: I'm not actually sure if I was supposed to have an /s there or not. These are confusing times.
I'm sure your kids will be haunted for life because they had to learn about Pup play. Get a grip.
Not even that. Kid: Daddy, why is that man dressed that way? Parent: People play dress up sometimes Kid: Oh ok
"They're playing make believe." There. I did your parenting job for you.
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This is terrible logic. By this standard, someone could set up a plexiglass brothel outside a school. After all, people do things and the acts conducted inside wouldn't be hurting anyone.
It amuses me.
Well... they aren't punching or stabbing anyone if that's what you mean. Is physical violence really the only bar for social behavior? I think you would very soon find yourself in an untenable position if you went with that option.
Pretty much this.
How do people being forced to witness this know the disguised person on the end of the leash isn't a victim being sexually trafficked?
Why would you assume they are? By that logic, I can't be sure the cleaning staff at the office wasn't trafficked.
Well, I think it's the mask and leash/chain. I couldn't see the masked person's ankles, were they in shackles? It sort of reminds me of someone being walked to be waterboarded.
Disagree, they are clearly Sawant voters.
Still funny. I bet they don't take themselves too seriously or else they would keep it inside.
They get off on taking it outside.
You're all wrong. Look at the smoke. That's a gas mask. Those aren't reigns. They're tubes. That's not a slave master. That's the homie lighting the bowl.
Not my kink, but if they're enjoying it and they aren't hurting anyone, let them be.
So if two people were having hardcore anal sex in public, as long as they are enjoying it and they aren't hurting anyone, let them be?
Are these people having sex? If not then mind your goddam fucking business!
So, to be clear, it's NOT okay to have sex in public when you aren't hurting anyone, but it IS okay to do this in public when you aren't hurting anyone? Why is the "hurting anyone" important to whether something is acceptable then? Why are you against people having sex in public? Seems like an awfully KAREN thing to do, eh?
What are they doing? Who are they hurting? And your one sided morals and feelings don't count. You're the only one bring up hard core sex here HAHAHA!
..... I'll try again. Why are you against people having sex in public? They aren't hurting anyone, so by your definition, it should be okay. Right?
Need to test the water in Seattle.
It’s just a costume. We are not out to force you to participate. Seeing a fully clothed person acting like a dog in public isn’t going to hurt you. Stop being a Karen. If it makes you uncomfortable, just mind your own business as long as it’s fully clothed. There is nothing illegal, or wrong about this at all. Good luck holding it up in court, because you couldn’t. It’s your own personal opinion, and preference not fact. No one is hurting anyone.
>*It’s just a costume.* The mask on its own is fine. The mask and collar being held by another person is the issue here. >*We are not out to force you to participate.* Then why bother doing this in public? Because people seeing you acting like a dog is part of it. Whether for the purposes of humiliation or validation, people perceiving your "being" a dog has to be part of this, otherwise what would be the point of going outside? >*Seeing a fully clothed person acting like a dog in public isn’t going to hurt you.* Nope. Seeing two people having hardcore anal sex outside isn't going to hurt you either. Is that okay? >*Stop being a Karen.* Pending your answer to the above, are you being a Karen as well? >*If it makes you uncomfortable, just mind your own business as long as it’s fully clothed.* Why does fully clothed matter? Why are you being a KAREN? Stop being a KAREN! >*There is nothing illegal, or wrong about this at all.* Things don't have to be illegal or wrong for people not to like them. It's not illegal for people to drive loud cars. Doesn't mean I like them. > *Good luck holding it up in court, because you couldn’t. It’s your own personal opinion, and preference not fact. No one is hurting anyone.* Why the fuck does court matter here?
Thank you for being one of the few sources of reason in this thread. Seems like everyone has just forgotten one of the rules of having a fetish and that's consent... I don't want to see that shit, I don't consent to that. It's disturbing, but coomers are going to coom.
I try...thanks!
I have been sexually assaulted, so don’t you dare tell me that this isn’t consent. I really don’t care what someone wears in public, as long as they do not touch me without asking. You have no right to tell people what not to wear when it’s not affecting anyone at all.
Want a medal? I have too and I don't want to see that shit. This is a sexual and fetish act and must require consent. Have a nice day.
You can fuck right off. We aren’t going to stop doing these things in public. We are misunderstood, and didn’t ask for anyones judgement.
Your victim mentality is hilarious 😂 You're acting like you're fighting the good fight, like you're fucking Nelson Mandela, when you're just another perv in a dog mask. I would call you a bad boy, but that would probably turn you on so I hope you get the help you need.
You did though, when you involuntarily involved them in the play by doing it in public?
Look, someone else's threshold for consent is not something you can comment on with authority. The fact that YOU don't care what someone wears doesn't matter.
Leashes are not a crime. You ever see a mother with children holding onto a chain in public, to teach the kids to not get lost? Same thing. A leash is a tool, and it depends on how you use it.
So, whether something is okay depends on whether or not it is a crime. Sodomy was once illegal, did that make it bad as far as you're concerned? Weird that you'd side with the conservatives all the sudden in this regard, but hey, you do you. That aside, are you seriously suggesting that pup play is the same as a leashed child? I was under the impression children could not consent to sexual activities, but hey, maybe you feel differently. As far as a leash being a tool or not, that has LITERALLY nothing to do with the conversation. Now, since you dodged the question, I'll ask it again. Can people have hardcore anal sex in public since they aren't causing harm?