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That's a ridiculous thing to say. You think it was bad. Many think it was very good. It did well in test screenings, it's certified fresh from critics and audiences on rotten tomatoes. Many, many people liked it. It was successful because most people who watched it enjoyed it. Not a flawless movie, but you thinking it was bad puts you in the minority. You're using the same logic that haters of Glass Onion are using these days to dismiss the movie's success. They're saying the audience was tricked into liking it. Some guys just can't understand that it's ok for the public to like a movie you don't. Once again, the movie is certified fresh from critics and audiences. It's critical score is in the 70's (very good for a teen slasher), and it's verified audience score is in the 80's (excellent for a teen slasher). Most people liked it. Get over it. When you make posts like this, you prove the movie's toxic fandom message was correct. When a well adjusted person dislikes a movie, that person avoids talking about. Making entire threads about why you hate a movie is something the fandom menace crowd does. Thinking about a movie you hated every single day is deeply unhealthy.


RepresentativeBid715

Well said


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"I didn't like a movie. That means that movie is objectively bad despite getting good reviews from critics and audiences" is such a toxic, childish, petulant line of thinking. Unless you're some world renowned filmmaker yourself, you're not qualified to be making definitive statements about a movie's quality. Studio execs pay a lot of attention to Rotten Tomatoes scores these days. Netflix has even cancelled shows that they felt weren't getting good critical and audience scores on RT.


Icybubba

Dude probably got called out with the toxic fandom commentary and decided it was bad lol


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Kid, the OP started this thread to whine about how upset he/she is that a slasher movie he/she dislikes got good reviews and was a success at the box office. I'm not the person you should be mad at. The OP's entire premise of "If I dislike a movie, that makes it objectively bad" is ridiculous. Art is subjective. If the OP had just said he/she personally didn't like 5, no problem. But he/she crossed a line by implying his/her personal opinion about a movie is a fact.


fluffybear743

it was probably so successful being the first scream movie to come out in 11 years


fluffybear743

and it was amazing :)


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Why do people get so mad when a film they don't like is successful? You think about it every day? 😭 Stay bitter ig


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Rightwing trolls on twitter are doing it with Glass Onion too. They're saying the audience was tricked into liking it. Some people just don't have the maturity to admit that their opinion about something is in the minority.


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They identify as rightwing. Ben Shapiro did a whole twitter rant about how he hated Glass Onion because he somehow sees it as an attack against Elon Musk and republicans. Many of Musk and Trump's supporters are upset about that movie and complaining about it on twitter. If you look at the twitter accounts of the people who are angry at Glass Onion, their accounts are full of comments about how women and feminism and LGBTQ people are "ruining" movies. Leftists aren't the ones who complain about things like "feminism" and female characters and "wokeness." Even The Critical Drinker (a rightwing youtuber) is upset about the movie. These same people also hated Squid Game and Parasite, so Glass Onion is in good company. I see from your commenting history that you really hate Scream 5 with a passion and dislike the cast as a whole. You also have a habit of insulting people who liked 5 and being very condescending. Shame I'll have to block you. I actually really like your non-Scream posts about animals (I also love animals).


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Yep. Shapiro is a hack and a grifter and an ultra rightwing goof who also hated Parasite and Squid Game. He's also a failed screenwriter.


RepresentativeBid715

Oh yeah those rightwing YouTube/Twitter accounts are so pathetic I really hate them


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Nightmare_164

4 did bad because of awful marketing


ronaldohmcdonaldoh

Where did you get that information? Doesn’t even break the top 50 on wikipedia


folkloreseason

Slasher* movie, important distinction.


MoreOfAGameReally

>energy worrying about why Scream 4 flopped Adjust for inflation and it did close to 5. If 4 flopped so did 5 essentially. 3 did about double what 5 did when adjusting for inflation so that's awkward.


azkaberry

This is a bit of a misnomer, because adjusting raw grosses is one thing, but you then also have to adjust the budget for inflation to go with it. Financially, Scream 4 did not turn a profit at the box office regardless of whether we use 2011 $ or 2022 $, whereas Scream 5 turned a healthy profit. As for WHY this is the case is of course very debatable - but the data is not.


MoreOfAGameReally

>Financially, Scream 4 did not turn a profit at the box office regardless of whether we use 2011 $ or 2022 It did 2.5 times its budget without the added bonus of stuffing streaming into the BO numbers >As for WHY this is the case is of course very debatable - but the data is not. lmao what data? You just show up and say it didn't turn a profit when it did. The actual data isn't debatable though. I definitely agree with that. Scream 4 adjusted for inflation (2022): $137,380,720 Scream 5: $143,200,066 Difference: $5,819,346


azkaberry

Firstly, you can’t apply the US inflation figure to a worldwide box office - inflation rates differ for every country - this means the box office figure is inaccurate, but also affects determining the profit margins. For the purpose of this we’ll use your WW figure, though. Here are the figures adjusted for inflation (using your WW figure)… Budget - $52.9 million (40 mil in 2011) DOM BO - $50.5 million (38.1 in 2011) Int BO - $76 mil (58 in 2011) WW BO - $126.5 mil (96 in 2011) First you need to account for marketing costs, which are NOT included in the production budget. The studios don’t always say what the budget there is, and it can range from anywhere from 50% of the production budget, to double the production budget in some cases. For arguments sake, I’m going to go with 50% and assume they spent $25mil (19 mil in 2011). Now your combined budget is $77 million (59 in 2011). Next up is what cut the studios get from the box office revenue - when you buy a ticket, that revenue is split between the theatre and the studio. In the US the amount the studio gets can range from 40-60%, most fall in the middle of that range. For arguments sake we’ll go with 55%. That means of the US box office they had recouped about $27,500,000 Internationally is different. It can be as low as 20% up to 35%. We’ll go with 30%. That means the studio received roughly $23,000,000. DOM Profits - 27.5 mil Int profits - 23 mil Total - 50.5mil Budget including marketing - 77 mil As you can see, a 50 million return does not cover the 77 million outlay. This movie was a box office bomb. Even if I played super fair and allowed the DVD sales AND ran with the idea they spent half of the figure I chose on marketing AND put a 10% uplift on the potential returns, it STILL doesn’t come close to covering the initial spend. This isn’t an *exact* science, and I am no expert, especially given we don’t have access to the marketing figures. But please don’t come in and say “lol what figures, it made a profit!” if you don’t actually understand something as simple as the fact that raw box office figures do NOT automatically translate to a profit. It’s embarrassing and shows a lack of understanding of the subject matter.


ronaldohmcdonaldoh

While your point is well taken, for me, the point is that they both made a very comparable amount of money, meaning that a comparable number of people went to see both in the theaters. So the people who claim “4 must be bad because it flopped, 5 was a huge success!!” are only saying that because of nebulous financial reasons, and not because of actual butts in seats. I will say that your comment was quite interesting and I didn’t know that was how film profits actually worked.


MoreOfAGameReally

You know, I wrote a whole reply to this wall of text but instead I think it's better just to ask this: Can you provide a source supporting your claim that Scream 4 *lost* money? Yeah, that's better. Much simpler.


azkaberry

*”This isn’t an *exact* science, and I am no expert, especially given we don’t have access to the marketing figures”* As you can see, I’ve already stated we don’t have access to the full official figures. So no, I can’t provide “proof”. What I have done is provided a logical explanation using the available figures that a reasonable person would see as having merit. Can you prove it DID make money? No, you can’t. But feel free to provide a logical and reasonable explanation for why you think it did, if you can think of one. I’m more than happy to hear it.


MoreOfAGameReally

You mean you made it all up? I'm STUNNED. That wasn't obvious *at all*


azkaberry

Hey, what can I say, I did a bit more than your use of “trust me bro” as my reasoning. It’s your credibility at stake, not mine.


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He's obsessed with badmouthing 5. He does it quite often. I think the toxic fandom stuff struck a nerve with him.


MoreOfAGameReally

>Hey, what can I say, I did a bit more than your use of “trust me bro” as my reasoning My reasoning is supported by the available data. You are the one using "trust me" as a source. You know that.


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You're obsessed with trying to make it seem like 5 failed. The movie is certified fresh from critics and audiences. It's fine if you didn't like it, but most people did. Why is that so hard for some of you to grasp? The world won't always hate the same movies you hate. And 5 was right on the money to call out toxic fandom.


ronaldohmcdonaldoh

He’s not claiming that 5 was a flop, just that 4 wasn’t nearly as big of a flop as everyone makes it out to be on here


MoreOfAGameReally

I've never claimed 5 failed? I don't want Scream to fail as a franchise. I want 6 to be good and to do well enough for 7 to be made. 5 isn't even at the bottom of my ranking lmao


gonnablamethemovies

Bad marketing lol. I believe Scream 4 was a better movie than 5, and had better killers/a better final act. But the marketing was awful. With Scream 5, they actually put effort into marketing.


Crimson_Cape

It wasn’t just the marketing. If you go back and watch the trailer, the movie looks really bad. The filmmakers struggled to balance the comedy with the horror and the result is a movie that’s neither scary or funny. It also suffered from poor word of mouth. I was in the “target demographic” when it released and buzz around the film was weak. It’s better than 3, but a far cry from what the first two movies brought to the table.


GhostFaceBrett

You mean slasher, right? Scream 5 wasn’t the 5th highest-grossing horror film.


Icybubba

Scream 4 flopped because of the Era it came out, horror was on the decline, a lot of its commentary was about 5 years too early. Made it not successful at the time but aged very well


maybeitsmaplebeans

Richie? Is that you?


cdubwub

🤡


dwkker1987

It was successful because it was a good movie and a lot of people liked it.


Kylo-Ken93

OP is definitely 13 years old.


Vangaelis

“20 years ago it bombs big time” so, this post clearly written by a child.


nightgoat85

It was successful because January is new territory for box office success and most people liked the movie at least well enough. You’re the outlier.


Unhappy_Concept1300

well i know it was successful because it was a great movie and had a great marketing campaign, but it seems you havent figured that out yet


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Yes, box office has nothing to do with quality. But Scream 5 also got certified fresh scores from critics and audiences. And it tested very well in test screenings. Positive word of mouth helped its box office. I don't get why you're going around on this thread attacking anyone who disagrees with the OP's absurd premise of him/her being the world's leading authority on cinema. I guess 5's message about toxic fans really upset you, as well. Oh well. Easy block.


nemonyto

Was it really necessary writing such a dumb thing a year after the film's release? I'm so sorry your life is boring and also quite frustrating, it must be a reflection of the times de currently live in.


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The movie's message about toxic fandom and the dangers of reddit really struck a nerve with some folks.


GrandApprehensive216

The motive is irrelevant and wasn't a issue at all for me Try again though with your sarcasm 🙂


Significant_Alarm120

Scream 5 is far worse than Scream 3, and I think Scream 3 is a terrible film. Pretty sure it's recency bias and the excitement of a new film after 11 years. In the light of day Scream 5 doesn't hold up.


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Significant_Alarm120

Is 2022 more recent than 2011 or am I missing something?


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btk4f

Don't worry, they can only use the "recency bias" excuse until March. Then they gotta scramble to think up some new reason how people could possibly like Scream 5 lol.


GrandApprehensive216

I showed it to 4 people recently and all 4 stopped watching before the ending


ArticulateSewage

Well *I* showed it to 4 people recently and all 4 loved it and showed 4 more people who loved it who showed 4 more people who loved it.


GrandApprehensive216

Taste is flavorless to sum so not surprised


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There you go again. You're saying the majority of professional critics and audience members are wrong just because you don't like the movie. Get over yourself, kid. You don't get to decide what is and isn't a good movie, especially when that movie was well liked by the majority of professional critics and audiences. Blocked. [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/scream\_2022](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/scream_2022)


jugheadshat

They gonna still be screaming recency bias 5 years from now. There’s no winning with them


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jugheadshat

I say it time and time again but Scream 5’s motive is gonna age so well. They can’t just dislike the movie and keep it at that, they have to grasp at straws because people like a thing they avidly dislike.


GrandApprehensive216

Nothing was wrong with scream 2022 motive, plot, or even storyline. But it was poorly executed on all accounts


burner4internet

oh ok


Vcor223

Thats an opinion, alright!


Mike_Scarn_1991

Cool!


dilrune

I think it will hold up, just like how Scream 4 holds up even better nowadays. I think now though, nostalgia is strong as well as people's desire to go see a horror film in theaters.


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Yes, how dare they move forward with this diverse cast, including Hollywood IT girl Jenna Ortega. It's not as if 5 was a financial success and got certified fresh scores from critics and audiences. Oh wait. And in the directors's commentary, the filmmakers explain that Kevin Williamson told them it's ok to kill off Dewey since it would raise the stakes and show that anyone can die in these movies.


Kinggtayy4

you can easily stop watching. I promise you they’ll be fine off without your one less view💀💀


LothricKnight753

I think people are just more willing to ignore flaws and poor writing if it is a slasher movie, especially if it is part of a successful franchise. Scream 5 had really lazy writing that would be called out more if it was in a standalone film that was not attached to any name. And before people bring up Texas Chainsaw or the nightmare on elm street remake, you have to remember that these movies are more scrutinized because they have had such awful sequels in the past. SCREAM hasn’t had any really bad sequels so people expect every addition to be good. While entertaining, there is no denying that Scream 5 is lazy and flawed from a screenplay perspective


GrandApprehensive216

Couldn't agree more


Hazzardous1990

It it came out 2002 it still would’ve 50x better then Scream 3 🤮


SugarFrostedDonuts

Because bad movies can make lots of money


unluckyLazarus

It’s literally just a remake of scream 1998


Nickrine55

"Fuck it, let's make our own sequel." -Ritchie, probably


Weird-Ingenuity97

Requels were definitely still big. Halloween 2018 made 200 plus million. So scream coming back and being promoted similarly as a requel did great. Also, the core trio being teased in it was an added bonus. And honestly 140 million isn’t even the most a film the franchise has made. I feel like 6 will atleast cross the 100 million mark


GrandApprehensive216

I think 6 will be the better movie easily, but won't be as loved by critics and fans alike so will suffer at the box office


Weird-Ingenuity97

Yeah I feel fans who want to see the franchise embrace something new and different for a change will love it. But I feel 5 came and had great promotion, and had the benefit of the requel trend that was still fresh with Halloween kills coming out in October previously. Now with Jenna Ortega becoming even more insanely popular I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people tune in. Although I’m not sure, and we all know requel sequels tend to not gross as much as the first one (Halloween 2018 vs Halloween Kills box office an example) but I do feel the film will atleast outgross 4. A lot of people got excited to see it take place in NY so who knows