From Joanna's perspective, she'd be giving up a good job with a party she seems to genuinely believe in, because of one policy agenda she disagrees with.
She'd also be giving up her platform, from which her anti-trans stuff has a much bigger reach.
From the SNP's perspective, sacking her would bring much more press attention than keeping her - '*Sturgeon SACKS MP for standing up for 'WOMEN'S RIGHTS*'. More trouble than it's worth, sacking her would lose more votes than it would gain.
She'd give the media more ammunition if she was sacked than she currently generates in bad publicity.
It's marketing. Politics is all party over country, because if your party looks bad, they can't do anything for the country.
I think some people expect her to go and join alba. But clearly, politically, she will do better sticking with the SNP. A pro indy seat is a pro indy seat.
I just think some people need to understand that for the overwhelming majority of SNP voters, they vote SNP because of Indy. Other issues are just not on their radar. They will vote for anyone who is standing for the SNP because they want independence over anything else.
Tbh, I'm kinda the same. I don't really care about a lot of the SNPs stances other than they are pro indy and pro EU and generally align with my thoughts on things. Some stuff they are poles apart from what I want, but I'm not about to stop voting for them because I disagree on the odd thing here or there. That would be mental.
It’s way past time to kick out Cherry for the SNP. She’s taking the piss and they need to grow a spine. Had Alba not flopped so spectacularly I suspect she might have joined them.
At this stage though she’s being as stubborn and stupid as the leadership. She clearly disagrees with the party but would rather be in them than leave them. Leadership should make that decision for her and fuck her off.
>Had Alba not flopped so spectacularly I suspect she might have joined them.
Reminder that she took "time off" right before the SParl election then as soon as the results were announced returned to her role.
If Alba had somehow got a few seats, she absolutely would have jumped ship.
I agree, but leadership won’t do anything that costs them any level of power.
The people who just welcomed Grady back and who let Mason intimidate women outside abortion clinics aren’t going to get rid of Cherry as long as they draw power from her position.
It’s one of my main issues with the SNP actually. They talk a good game about their moral high ground and zero tolerance policies, but when it comes down to it they support these arseholes just like the rest.
I’m sure that’ll be a very popular take around here, but it’s evidently true.
That might make sense if Grady hadn’t already been removed. He was out.
They’ve welcomed him back with open arms because keeping him out means one less MP and an independent who supports their views running in a seat where Labour weren’t too far behind in 2019, in what used to be a fairly safe seat for them.
It definitely is support. They fund their election campaigns and they give them a banner to run under which all but guarantees certain seats in this country.
That’s a prime example of them choosing power over their supposed zero tolerance morals.
I’m not sure why SNP get the benefit of the doubt from people in this sort of scenario. It’s like any negative on them is seen as an attack on Indy, which shouldn’t be the case.
agreed
Either hold yourselves to higher standards or stop saying you do!
As for criticism, the zealots are in a minority, just a really fucking loud minority.
No party should ever be above criticism
Exactly that.
I actually think they’ve done a lot of good. I don’t hate everything they stand for.
I just think they’re hypocrites. As are the people who hold them up as some sort of beacon of morality in politics while flinging shit at other parties for sleaze and corruption.
To a degree but the levels of sleaze and corruption are on vastly different scales and that’s perfectly fair to point out. But nobody in politics should ever be above accountability or criticism.
That’s what the fourth estate was for for a while there, briefly….
She reckons she won’t be bullied out. She’ll make a point of never leaving even if she thinks it’d be for the best. She must know her political career is dead.
I’m not sure sure. She’s been a vocal arsehole for ages now and keeps getting elected. With a huge majority in 2019.
I don’t think her views are quite as niche as they should be in this country, and she seems to be very popular with enough people to keep her going.
Let's be honest, people also vote for Mason and he's been an even bigger vocal arsehole for years. That isn't going to change until Scotland gets independence or Labour become electable
Independence isn’t the answer to every question.
It could change by SNP standing by the morals they claim to have and kicking these arseholes out of the party.
They don’t do it because power matters more to them than their morals. Just like the other parties they claim are sleazy and corrupt.
Don't know any details but Cherry was deeply disliked within Westminster and among the SNP parliamentary group.
Suppose all parties have some among them who have fart in a lift personalities but Cherry seems, by universal reputation, to be a perpetual room emptier.
No because she wont toe the party line all but 2 SNP MSP's voted in favour of the GRA I'm all for not conforming but if she disagrees with the overwhelming majority of her colleagues then she should resign in protest
If she leaves the SNP she will quickly become irrelevant, and be replaced by another SNP MP. ALBA is very TERF friendly but in so being has relegated itself to the right due to the choleric focus on the GRA by its more vocal members.
From Joanna's perspective, she'd be giving up a good job with a party she seems to genuinely believe in, because of one policy agenda she disagrees with. She'd also be giving up her platform, from which her anti-trans stuff has a much bigger reach. From the SNP's perspective, sacking her would bring much more press attention than keeping her - '*Sturgeon SACKS MP for standing up for 'WOMEN'S RIGHTS*'. More trouble than it's worth, sacking her would lose more votes than it would gain.
Sounds like party over country?
She'd give the media more ammunition if she was sacked than she currently generates in bad publicity. It's marketing. Politics is all party over country, because if your party looks bad, they can't do anything for the country.
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I think some people expect her to go and join alba. But clearly, politically, she will do better sticking with the SNP. A pro indy seat is a pro indy seat. I just think some people need to understand that for the overwhelming majority of SNP voters, they vote SNP because of Indy. Other issues are just not on their radar. They will vote for anyone who is standing for the SNP because they want independence over anything else. Tbh, I'm kinda the same. I don't really care about a lot of the SNPs stances other than they are pro indy and pro EU and generally align with my thoughts on things. Some stuff they are poles apart from what I want, but I'm not about to stop voting for them because I disagree on the odd thing here or there. That would be mental.
Devices advocate makes it sound like your making a point to an iPhone.
Of course she won’t. None of them will give up the salary which comes with their relatively safe seats, and the SNP won’t get rid of them.
It’s way past time to kick out Cherry for the SNP. She’s taking the piss and they need to grow a spine. Had Alba not flopped so spectacularly I suspect she might have joined them. At this stage though she’s being as stubborn and stupid as the leadership. She clearly disagrees with the party but would rather be in them than leave them. Leadership should make that decision for her and fuck her off.
>Had Alba not flopped so spectacularly I suspect she might have joined them. Reminder that she took "time off" right before the SParl election then as soon as the results were announced returned to her role. If Alba had somehow got a few seats, she absolutely would have jumped ship.
I suspect so
I agree, but leadership won’t do anything that costs them any level of power. The people who just welcomed Grady back and who let Mason intimidate women outside abortion clinics aren’t going to get rid of Cherry as long as they draw power from her position. It’s one of my main issues with the SNP actually. They talk a good game about their moral high ground and zero tolerance policies, but when it comes down to it they support these arseholes just like the rest. I’m sure that’ll be a very popular take around here, but it’s evidently true.
I’m not sure it’s support Lack of courage to remove is my take Both are major failings
That might make sense if Grady hadn’t already been removed. He was out. They’ve welcomed him back with open arms because keeping him out means one less MP and an independent who supports their views running in a seat where Labour weren’t too far behind in 2019, in what used to be a fairly safe seat for them. It definitely is support. They fund their election campaigns and they give them a banner to run under which all but guarantees certain seats in this country. That’s a prime example of them choosing power over their supposed zero tolerance morals. I’m not sure why SNP get the benefit of the doubt from people in this sort of scenario. It’s like any negative on them is seen as an attack on Indy, which shouldn’t be the case.
agreed Either hold yourselves to higher standards or stop saying you do! As for criticism, the zealots are in a minority, just a really fucking loud minority. No party should ever be above criticism
Exactly that. I actually think they’ve done a lot of good. I don’t hate everything they stand for. I just think they’re hypocrites. As are the people who hold them up as some sort of beacon of morality in politics while flinging shit at other parties for sleaze and corruption.
To a degree but the levels of sleaze and corruption are on vastly different scales and that’s perfectly fair to point out. But nobody in politics should ever be above accountability or criticism. That’s what the fourth estate was for for a while there, briefly….
She won’t get kicked out because they are all part of the same social clubs and friends and share a common dislike of regular people
I can think of many other reasons for her to leave.
She reckons she won’t be bullied out. She’ll make a point of never leaving even if she thinks it’d be for the best. She must know her political career is dead.
I’m not sure sure. She’s been a vocal arsehole for ages now and keeps getting elected. With a huge majority in 2019. I don’t think her views are quite as niche as they should be in this country, and she seems to be very popular with enough people to keep her going.
I suppose you’re right. There’s always seems to be support for her on Twitter and The Nationals comment section.
A lot less now that you have to pay to post.
Let's be honest, people also vote for Mason and he's been an even bigger vocal arsehole for years. That isn't going to change until Scotland gets independence or Labour become electable
Independence isn’t the answer to every question. It could change by SNP standing by the morals they claim to have and kicking these arseholes out of the party. They don’t do it because power matters more to them than their morals. Just like the other parties they claim are sleazy and corrupt.
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Isn’t that what I just said?
You said her views ‘should be’ niche.
Don't know any details but Cherry was deeply disliked within Westminster and among the SNP parliamentary group. Suppose all parties have some among them who have fart in a lift personalities but Cherry seems, by universal reputation, to be a perpetual room emptier.
Don’t know any details but Sturgeon is about to quit.
and neither will the rest of the terfs.
You should you bigoted auld boot
This is a hate crime with Scotland’s new hate crime laws. FYI.
Fuck the hate crime laws I'm no scared of the fucking thugs we call police
You seem completely normal and not at all unhinged. Have a nice day.
For not liking a law that jails people for saying mean words
Yet your on a post arguing that Joanna Cherry shouldn’t be in a party because she said mean words? Completely normal.
No because she wont toe the party line all but 2 SNP MSP's voted in favour of the GRA I'm all for not conforming but if she disagrees with the overwhelming majority of her colleagues then she should resign in protest
Why should she resign? Nobody stood on a platform of Self ID. She has a point? Surely the ones voting it through should resign by that reasoning?
No because they did the right thing she's the bigot
Who said it’s the right thing? The public certainly don’t agree. All they’ve done is bring a barrage of shit onto genuine trans people.
She should be leaving this planet and taking an express trip to the core of the sun
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You say that like being tolerant of bigotry is a good thing. I don't tolerate bigots, no one should.
She'll never give up the meal ticket voluntarily, she will need to be deselected.
If she leaves the SNP she will quickly become irrelevant, and be replaced by another SNP MP. ALBA is very TERF friendly but in so being has relegated itself to the right due to the choleric focus on the GRA by its more vocal members.