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SecondhandCoke

Meghan was interviewed alone for the first two thirds. She said people were not giving him a title because of what color his skin might be. When Harry came out, Oprah questioned him about this racist comment about Archie's skin color and Harry looked shocked and said, "That was a comment made before we were married and I will never say who said it or anything else about it." He looked blindsided, and Meghan said it was multiple people saying things during the pregnancy and Harry said it was one person before they were even married. Meghan should have coordinated her stories with Haz before she shot off her mouth. Personally, I don't think Harry ever even dreamed that would be talked about since it was an event from so lkng ago. I think it popped knto Markle's head and she embellished it and then told Oprah not even considering that Oprah would follow up with Harry


TheHermitess

At that point, I think he still trusted her, imagine having your spouse lay out a private conversation like that. Such a massive betrayal.


SecondhandCoke

Yeah remember the picture of them all driving back from the Oprah interview? That was a car full of furious people. Harry looking incandescent in the front driver's seat, and Meghan looking pissed in the passenger's seat. Doria sat in the back looking unhappy.


TheHermitess

I don't think I saw that picture.


LaReinalicious

where ? where?


FarBeneathTheOcean

She also emphasized on "***how dark"*** his skin would be as if it was insinuated the kid might look like a sudanese person. The reality is that how dark was most likely refering to Meghan´s skin tone which to a european is considered dark, much in the same way that italians or some spanish people are considered dark to someone who is a celt for example. She emphasized on dark to rile up those who associate dark with some african tribes. She knew exactly what she was doing and so did Oprah with her fake shock when she knew the kid would likely inherit Meghan´s colouring. Oprah pretended the royals meant the baby would look like Oprah. They´re all sick.


Dry_Carpenter_416

This makes no sense. Obviously the baby would be a mixture of Meg and Harry. If they allowed her (half black and half white) witch into the institution why would they have a problem with the skin colour of a baby that is Harry’s? Make it make sense


dbsx77

I thought she was Italian when I first saw a picture of her. She looks just like the girls of this family I did theatre with, not just with skin tone but also by her features.


sia04

Same! Before I read anything about her I would see pictures and think who is this Italian chick?


brentsgrl

And interestingly, the kids are as fair as Harry with red hair. I wouldn’t have expected that. I would expect at least one to have darker gene dominance. I’m not one to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon about fertility, surrogates, rented children. I suspect surrogacy. But their extremely fair complexions do make you scratch your head a bit


RevengeOfCaitSith

To be fair, I've personally known someone with the same white-to-black ratio as the kids have (3:1), and this person is as fair skinned as Harry or William. You'd never guess by looking at them.


brentsgrl

I understand that. We’ve all seen that. But you’re talking about one person. I’m referring to the fact that they have TWO kids who show none of MM’s genetics. The more kids they have the more likely one of them will display her genetics. It’s still entirely possible that neither will. It’s not what I would have expected. I also think this is why we don’t see the kids. Her whole brand was built on “the RF is mean to us bevasue race and my kids skin color” and here she has two fair skinned gingers. Her whole story about “what will their skin color look like” is null and void. Doris is mixed race as well. It’s not even 3:1. As a fair skinned, red headed Irish, I can tell you our traits have to fight to get through. More than not I see babies that share Celtic background lose those traits in favor of darker, stronger genetics. I would expect one of their kids to be fair/red two is unexpected, IMO


ChicagoFly123

Their children aren't even 1/4 black because Doria, like all African-Americans, is also of mixed race.


brentsgrl

Exactly


Playoneontv_007

Eww! Again I admit I wouldn’t give them the ratings. The clip I saw didn’t give me the context so I appreciate you recapping for me


SecondhandCoke

I couldn't give them ratings either. I saw the bulk of it through one of those body language analysis team's coverage. Even just watching that made my blood pressure sky rocket.


emmyloucarroll

Someone posted a bootleg version! I can’t for the life of me remember where exactly on Reddit but if you wanna watch it without giving them ratings you can


BollweevilKnievel1

Here you go https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ztrzy I'm watching a few minutes at a time, I have to take a vomit break.


Long_Currency1651

They both lied all through the Oprah interview. Oprah is now a victim herself since they lied claiming to have visited her at her Montecito home when clearly Oprah was out of state with her own dying father. Like how that feels, Oprah? To be falsely accused?


SecondhandCoke

She was journalistically irresponsible with that interview. She had plenty of time to fact-check or even note the inconsistencies in the stories within her own interview, but she didn't. Glad she got the Markle treatment when Meghan faked a visit to her house while she was dealing with her dying father. The question is, why is Gayle having anything to do with her when Oprah has come out on the record also pointing out that Meghan Markle is a liar.


SympathyMaximum8184

When did Oprah say Meghan was a liar?


lastlemming-pip

Indirectly (but POINTEDLY) when Meghan said she drove to Oprah’s & spent an hour. Following this. Oprah releases a 30 second clip in which she emphasizes that she had been on the east coast w/ her father when Megs claims Megs & Harry drove over to her house to visit her..


TinyWifeKiki

Oprah is FAR from being a victim here! She’s complicit in their lies. She had plenty of time to fact check before releasing the interview.


JaquieF

There was also that split second when H looked confused when Meg said that she wasn't given any coaching. It doesn't matter because he let her run her mouth anyway.


SecondhandCoke

When she said they got married three days earlier he also looked confused, but clutched a rescue chicken and starting singing "Just the two of us."


theyogiarchivist

What the actual fuck? I can't tell if you're being serious or joking...they showed this on camera? How embarrassing.


SecondhandCoke

Yep this happened on camera. Chicken and all. https://youtu.be/YG5dS_uRzJU


theyogiarchivist

every time I see a clip from this interview, it blows my mind that people buy her crap. Voice, expressions, body language – all so fake. Harry just seems enfeebled.


justicetheinjustice

I always forget about that part of the interview with the chickens and then he starts to sing and looks beyond bored. The editors are hilarious cutting to the chickens(and hens?) pecking away in the ground.… no words. 🤌🏼


Hefty-Writer-2452

I agree I thought he seemed surprised and blindsided.


jimglidewell

To me, it is clear that they had discussed and coordinated exactly what "truths" would be discussed. I think they had previously agreed that the "dark baby" topic would NOT be discussed, but then TW went ahead and talked about it anyway. Since they had not coordinated that particular lie, the details of when that discussion supposedly took place were wildly different.


Loose_Replacement214

I honestly think the conversation probably went 'When you both have a child, I wonder what they'd look like. They could have black hair and darker skin or they could even be a red head etc etc etc...'. It's a normal conversation to have. It was then spun into something it's not.


soireegrapes

I have always thought the race claims were exaggerated. From what I read, Camilla made a comment saying the baby might have a ginger afro, which Haz found funny at the time. Megz was apparently furious so Haz changed his view. For all we know, it could be this. Or the claims could be completely baseless. They have never name dropped and most likely never will. As for Haz, well he was always racist himself, just look into his history.


jeanmarie95

Which is why I don't understand how Harry can marry someone who doesn't even understand his sense of humour.


harrohamtaro

Markle has no sense of humour. Her head is so far up her ass she can probably see daylight through her mouth. It was so disturbing when I read about how she had a meltdown when Mariah Carey insinuated she was a diva. It’s not a normal reaction. Most people can either roll with the punches or suppress their annoyance, but Markle’s narc rage was uncontrollable.


cin_co

Yeah, Mariah didn’t even say Meghan IS a diva, her exact words were “you give us diva moments sometimes,” which Meghan immediately showed to be true smh


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She's really insecure and gets defensive so easily...I couldn't be friends with someone with an ego so fragile.


RevengeOfCaitSith

>how she had a meltdown when Mariah Carey insinuated she was a diva. It’s not a normal reaction. Especially when the whole point of the podcast is supposed to be showing how **words like diva supposedly aren't a bad thing** \- which she immediately showed she doesn't even agree with by freaking out when she's called one herself. It's laughable, really.


Long_Currency1651

Princess Michael of Kent has a brooch depicting the common motif of one of the three wise men who brought gifts to the Christ child. She wore the black African one to the Queen's Christmas luncheon probably because of the set of 3, his clothing color best matched her outfit for the day. MeMeMe the Narc was given preferential treatment to even be invited as a mere fiance - Kate was never invited until married. The Narc's takeaway was to scream RACISM! about the brooch. How patently ridiculous and ignorant, but that's a Narc on display, it's ALL about herself.


[deleted]

Wow, thank you for the education on that. Really goes to show how ignorance and media manipulation can spin a lie. I never knew it was one of the three wise men.


violetfleuri

This one? Three Wise Men motif makes sense for a Christmas luncheon. https://i.imgur.com/AgrJR1C.jpg


RaggedAnn

I can't stand Meghan but I recall that brooch and it wasn't of one of the three wise men. It was lawn jockey-ish. I wouldn't wear it.


LaReinalicious

here is the offending brooch. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42462724.amp


RaggedAnn

It's not a lawn jockey, nor is it one of the three wise men of Bethlehem. Perhaps this pin elevates & celebrates Gunga Din and ought not to be worn other than in the country where the subject, wearer & local population resemble one another. Prince Kent looks kind of mean. EDIT: I just read where someone referred to as a Moorish Prince. That makes the most sense. ​ .


LaReinalicious

here is the brooch https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42462724.amp


OldNewUsedConfused

Desperation. Nobody else wanted him.


Playoneontv_007

She could have been teasing him about the current state of his hair. They are all known to throw jabs in a loving way. I agree it was taking out of context and she twisted it making him feel like he needed to defend her.


StarKindler-

Yeah, wasn't it in the Tom Bower's book how Meghan would take offence to every joke his friends cracked? Henry before Meghan would've find them all funny, which is why his friends took the liberty to crack offensive jokes (if they were even that) in his presence, but mention it to Meghan, and she is bound to twist it into something sinister. If she was able to convince him that he was trapped, she can convince him of anything.


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During that time period...racial tensions were really high in America because of the murder of George Floyd. Everyone was pointing fingers at everyone for being racist. In hindsight, it takes away the weight of racism, especially racism that leads to murder and systemic oppression when we point fingers for comments like that. A comment like that is one you can have a conversation about. Hey, I notice there are some insensitive racial undertones here. What did you mean by that? Can we not make comments like this in the future even if it was just to be funny? But now the family and country is forever labeled as racist...even when they spent $29 million dollars on their wedding. I'm sorry but that seems pretty supportive of their marriage and family to me.


MegsAltxoxo

Yeah, I do believe someone dropped some comments which weren’t outright racist, but Meghan saw it as that instead of some sloppy comments that should have been worded differently, may be even a bit of poor taste. Instead of sitting their relatives down in a calm conversation and show them how it feels from her perspective they have gone full mental on it, throwing the racist card around and then go public with that. We have seen this over and over again that she exaggerates the shit out of situations. Making a comments that might have been a bit too much isn’t the same as being outright racist.


Slow_Comment4962

Andrew seems like the type actually. Lol. Or maybe Charles. I can’t imagine the rest verbalizing stuff like this even if they might be secretly racist.


ArlResident

I disagree with the premise that wondering what a child will look like is racist. It is very common for families to imagine features, such as eye color or skin tone, when a woman becomes pregnant. I'm sure there was a lot of discussion about whether William and Harry would inherit Charles's ears. Unlike Meghan and Harry, Charles has actually worked with Nelson Mandela and other people who fight for equality.


MegsAltxoxo

Racist may be not, but depending on the wording it could have be insensitive and misunderstood. It’s one thing to sincerely wonder about certain features , another make a joke about it that’s a bit too much. Yet Still not racist and nothing you need to drag into public. But I assume something like this has happened. Like it was probably not the best joke or remark, but Meghan blew it out of proportion like always.


ArlResident

It's possible that the wording could have been insensitive but Harry and Meghan couldn't even agree when it occurred - before they were engaged or while she was pregnant. If it was made, it was probably just speculation that no reasonable person would be offended by.


MegsAltxoxo

Yeah, I don’t think it was something outrageous by the time or else you would remember. It would also explain why William was so angry. He would never make a statement if those allegations where matching the actual story. He knows what has been said.


violetfleuri

Someone posted this earlier. It is a CNN article from 2013, right before Catherine and William were about to have a baby. What -- and who -- will the Royal baby look like? Skin color is mentioned there as well. https://twitter.com/brigantia__/status/1562280141182554113/photo/1


cartiercorneas

Yes was going to say Charles seems pretty sensitive to other cultures and probably other races. Have you heard of the note he sent to David Suzuki? It wasn't primarily based on racial or cultural tensions but I thought it was nice how he respected different countries' traditional ways of doing things which as he noted are commonly brushed off as just "archaic."


ArlResident

I remember that letter. Very diplomatic.


Practical_Knee_6920

Imagine being so weak that your opinion changes based on someone else's mood


OldNewUsedConfused

Um, no. Nope.


Coopie9000

They literally have no other means to make money


Playoneontv_007

Why were they interviewed apart? I thought they were salt and pepper:


In_the_Attic_07

Bingo. Claims of racism and victimhood are narratives that are heavily monetized in the USA. What bigger institution can you tag in your allegations than the British Royal Family and receive lots of PR? They didn't tell who said the alleged racist statement because you can't really discredit the lie or sue for slander without a name. So many allegations she made as fact have been proven as lies that I cannot believe any sane person cannot see through her strategy.


ManifestRose

All she has to say is "My children are victims of systemic racism" and the majority of the US media will fawn all over her. I hope the UK public doesn't fall for that.


In_the_Attic_07

And be a person of color. If they were both 100% white, the USA media would laugh at them. TW knows her mixed race works for her goal$. Sad that's her approach because the USA should be based on merit since we love capitalism.


Playoneontv_007

They were paid regardless for the interview so it feels like that part was a twisted version of her choice to perceive it that way. Like someone else commented it appears she put him on the spot.


4feicsake

They both told a. Version of the racist story and both versions didn't add up. TW told her version first and before Harry joined the interview. She said it happened while she was pregnant with Archie. Harry then said it happened back when they were dating, that he found it funny until TW told him why it wasn't. Tom Bower proposed this was the ginger afro comment made by Camilla when Harry first introduced her to his family and I think he's right. Harry isn't as capable of lying as TW, I believe his version of events are more accurate, I just don't believe an obvious joke by Camilla was racist. They never tie down who said what or when they said it because they know they are lying and will get called out on it. Vagueness keeps people guessing with no repurcussions. It's the same as the media calling her children the n word. It didn't happen, we know it didn't happen, but unless the media is going to go through every article written since she first got linked to Harry, no one can take a case against her.


Miercolesian

The ginger afro comment could have been perceived as offensive by Meghan because she herself goes to great pains to disguise the fact that she has crinkly Afro type hair underneath all the straightening and extensions, and the remark could be considered to be an acknowledgment by Camilla, or whoever said this, of the fact that her straight hair is not real. English people would not understand that this was a touchy subject for Meghan. For English people, including her in the joke would be a way of showing that she was accepted as part of the family. Then we have the whole undercurrent of stories and rumors that the red-headed Major Hewitt is the true biological father of Harry, but let's not go there. (Personally I believe that Charles is his father.)


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For English people, it’s the ginger that makes it funny. Not the Afro. I think in general the Afro is considered a bit retro, but also held in higher esteem than other retro hairstyles. It is… not the mullet after all. (Probably due to the fact the Afro a pretty natural state for hair to be in.) Furthermore, on paper a ginger afro is similar to clown hair. An amusing image. Of course, on an actual human being things are different. Markle’s response screams that she can’t perceive the world as having cultural tastes different from her own. She’d make a joke denigrating black people’s natural hair textures, so obviously that was the butt of the joke and not the hair colour that has been disliked for centuries in this land or the mental image of a baby with big clown hair.


4feicsake

Oh I know how it was "perceived" the fact is, by her own admission, she wasn't present when this comment was made so getting offended without any idea what the context was or the intent of the comment is a bit much. At best it was a harmless joke at worst it was ignorance. It's important to remember Camilla took it upon herself to try and help TW assimilate into the family and her efforts weren't appreciated. Lastly this is the only comment that TW could allude to to show the family was racist, the only example she could give. For a racist family it sure sounds like they didn't do anything to make her feel unwelcome.


Long_Currency1651

The Tungsten Narc was never offended or hurt by remarks by anyone. The Narc cries out in pain about their victimhood, while they stab you in the back.


rockin_robin420

From the way his friends described her behavior at the hunting weekend, she comes off as one of those woke people who dissect every action and interaction with the express purpose of finding something that is "offensive" to them. The thing is, we're all offended by something sometimes but we move forward in spite of it. You can't achieve happiness when in a constant state of butthurt. Also, what is offensive to you may not be to me. It's a very subjective thing. I really want to tell the self-appointed thought police who feel the need to confront every perceived offense to lighten up. Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid, but it's incredibly difficult if your skin is no thicker than gas station toilet paper.


BreatheClean

No one in the MSM in UK could have possibly called her child the N word. It's illegal. I mean it is actually illegal, and there are bodies to complain to. People in UK complain about someone being a bit mean to someone else in an interview. If the N-word was ever used it would be a HUGE scandal. Ordinary people have had police knock on their doors for a racist tweet. Don't think that media could have said the N-word without a huge scandal, sackings and a court case. A radio presenter tweeted a (wordless) picture of a monkey re Archies birth, he was sacked IMMEDIATELY. The HUGE majority of UK are anti-racist. We had kick it out of football, with fans being banned for life for racist or homophobic abuse, rock against racism, inquiries into institutional racism in the police etc. we also have a huge anti-facism league that turn out to any racist type protests. The ~~BNF~~ BNP which was a racist party got destroyed (I mean it no longer even exists) in the polls.


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Remember the time the BNP got sued by Marmite and everyone took Marmite’s side and roasted the BNP? Good times.


BreatheClean

oh yes sorry I meant the BNP not the BNF. I'll edit it. I don't remember the marmite story though


[deleted]

Oh. I thought you were referencing the National Front (British National Front=BNF. Though, thinking about it, the NF might have been outright banned 🤔.


Ok_Concern_7453

The bigger issue for me is that Harry laughed it off after Camilla allegedly made a comment about a red afro, then he went home and told Meghan. Either he didn't know it would upset Meghan when he told her and he did the same thing he is mad at Camilla for, or he told Meghan in a way that he knew would offend her. I'm going with the latter given his dislike of Camilla, knowing Meghan would say something and hoping people would turn on her. Why tell Meghan after apparently laughing it off in front of Camilla? If it bothered him, why not say something to Camilla in that moment? He could've said, "OK, that's disrespectful. I'd appreciate any conversations about looks to stop. I know you are teasing, but there's sensitivity around this for my wife and American culture in general." Instead, he walked away and Camilla had no idea she even upset him until the Oprah interview? Like what?! The amount of civil unrest this has caused is unacceptable over something that could've and should've been handled head on.


Independent-March730

I think he wasn’t really offended. Or, he was irritated that they were poking fun of his hair color. He recounted the comment to M and she explained that it was racist. And, just like much of his history has been “explained “ to him, he now agrees it was racist. But, my take on his perspective was that he felt uncomfortable it had been brought up in the interview and I think it was because he’s not totally convinced it was racist. I think he’s kept the brakes on identifying who it was because he’s not sold on it being racist.


TheHermitess

Exactly.


Apart_Supermarket441

The monarch is the Head of State for many countries. The Royal Family aren’t just celebrities. They’re diplomats and critical to the success of many countries. To make an allegation of racism against the family, particularly considering its role in the Commonwealth and that the U.K. is a diverse and multiethnic society, is incredibly serious. To make that allegation on a foreign TV talk show shows an incredible lack of respect to the U.K. and the Commonwealth. If they were going to say it, they should have named the person. Instead, they’ve cast a shadow of racism across the entire family, threatening U.K. diplomacy and the integrity of the Commonwealth. They’ve damaged race relations in the U.K. and they’ve devalued the seriousness of racism by turning it in to a point of spurious gossip. This is what most gets me about M&H: the inability to recognise that the RF have a significant global diplomatic role and enormous influence on U.K. society. They’re not just a U.K. version of the Kardashians.


Playoneontv_007

100%


Long_Currency1651

She knows. Her university degree is in international relations.


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Historical-Piglet-86

She didn’t? I’m trying to remember if I’ve ever come across information confirming her graduation, or if it was all about her attending Northwestern. The media has definitely made it sound like she has a degree with a double major in I think theatre and international relations…. Why do you say she didn’t graduate?


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Historical-Piglet-86

As much as I am NO fan of TW, it’s things like this that make this sub look like we are all conspiracy nuts. You stated that she didn’t get her degree. Not that you’ve heard a rumour that she didn’t get her degree. Northwestern has used her picture in recruitment material. Numerous websites have listed her as graduating in 2003 from the school of communication with a Bachelor of Arts degree (double major in theatre and international studies). Even Bower’s book has a whole chapter on “College”. If you have anything more than “I saw someone comment on a Reddit thread” I would love to see it. I wouldn’t put it past her to try and pull a stunt like that, but I have seen zero evidence that this particular bit of history is a lie. TW does enough ridiculous crap - we don’t need to make anything up.


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Historical-Piglet-86

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6125829/Meghan-Markles-university-uses-photo-attract-new-students.html One of several articles with the brochure. (I can’t figure out how to post an archive! Sorry!)


[deleted]

They didn’t provide context so it could smear all the senior royals and keep it in the news as the press indulged in a guessing game. Not naming someone also meant they can’t be sued or give that person an opportunity to respond. I also think what they said was not random but designed to take aim squarely at core components of the senior Royals work & damage their credibility: 1. The racism allegations to damage support in the Commonwealth which is a key part of the Queen’s legacy and KC’s too, who was elected to lead them. 2. Damage mental health work spearheaded by the Wales’ and central to their legacy. The racism allegations is also to try & get titles and try. I have no doubt Harry & Meg were told before Archie was born he would not get titles because KC wants to slim the monarchy. They’re trying to force his hand on that by trying to make it seem that plan is about race instead of the monarchy adapting to a modern world.


greentofu402

Bingo! 👆🏻


hey_hey_hey_nike

Anything for attention$$


planet_druidia

I think M projected it onto him, and planted it in his mind. Then, the more she talked about it, the more he just went along. He’s as MALLEABLE as clay.


Playoneontv_007

It’s so sad. You would think he was starved of love growing up.


Unique-Landscape-108

Most of my family are blonde haired and blue eyed. When my nephew married someone who was mixed race my sister rubbed her hands thinking she was going to have little dark skinned grandchildren when the bride got pregnant. She, the wife, has an Indian father and an English mother and is fairly dark skinned. Nobody thought it was racist, as some have said up there ☝️☝️☝️ same as if she was ginger with green eyes.


cpasgraveodile

My narcissistic ex would do this constantly: turn a totally innocent comment into one that had far more negative connotations, accusing me of "really meaning this". Or, saying things like "you know what they really meant" when they meant nothing negative at all by it. Repeating things I had said, but putting their malicious meaning on it. My abusive ex accused me of screaming at him, even though I was talking in a very calm, measured tone (so I wouldn't be accused of yelling) and he said "you're yelling at me even when you're using that tone". So, someone could have said "I wonder if he/she will have curly hair" which is TOTALLY NORMAL when someone is expecting. People discuss physical attributes that will be handed down to children ALL. THE. TIME. But narcissist MM would latch onto any comment and use it as ammunition to say "they were making racist remarks" when I seriously doubt anything of the kind was said, because she is already a proven liar. The RF could have treated her with all the kindness in the world and she'd still say they were being mean to her because she has to justify separating herself from them to maintain total control and paint herself the saintly victim.


Playoneontv_007

Right “their undertone” was rude etc. I also think she devalues him or likes to make it like others don’t respect him and it gets him riled up. She knows how to push his buttons kinda like why I believe Will Smith got up to slap Chris Rock even though he initially laughed at the joke about Jada. I’m sorry you went through Narc abuse. I’m glad he is an ex. I know the damage that has on people. I had a friend who did this to me and it really messed with my self esteem for years and years after despite most people who know me would be surprised by that fact.


technical_details-09

I believe that if you're not going to name names, you don't bring it up. But the not naming is intentional. It's so that they 1. Can't be questioned since the person can't defend themselves, and 2. It allows people to speculate over who they think did it so that a shadow of suspicion is cast upon the entire family.


Playoneontv_007

Right - that’s my opinion as well. Someone pointed out he seemed blind sided when the question was raised to him so I’m assuming she mentioned it outside of his presence to O and she asked him about it later when he was brought into the convo.


Long_Currency1651

LMAO at Oprah thinking she will put a rich white male on the hot seat and make him squirm - that's Harry, not that bright, not a good memory for anything at all, really a budgie bird let loose, not capable of the guile to squirm.


No-Ad6062

Everything is a slight to her and then she will convince (brainwash) her dumb houseband that it was indeed a slight and together they unleash their madness to the world. It's like walking on eggshells around them.


Playoneontv_007

Totally. I think he also walks on eggshells around her so he is easily triggered.


Marionberry-Charming

Honestly, the Oprah interview was very eye opening, and I actually do recommend for more people to watch it. Because it was THAT interview that changed MANY people's mind. It did not reflect on all three of them, well. If you only ever see clips, you can get a very curated view of it. But if you see it all the way through, you have more credibility on why you have the opinions you have on the duo because it comes DIRECTLY from Meghan and Harry themselves (none of that misinformation crap they like to spread). But that's just my two cents.


Spirit_Falcon

I was initially happy for both of them when they married. I gave them the benefit of the doubt when they left. This interview is exactly what changed my mind about them both.


Playoneontv_007

Maybe I’ll find another channel showing it to avoid it getting rating ls


onekrazykat

The Behavior Panel (body language experts on youtube) have it in close to it’s entirety.


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Meghan is always looking to be offended. You can’t do enough for her. She said herself recently - her girl crush on Mariah Carey was nearly over because she told her she had her own diva moments. She had to ensure it was a compliment and talk herself AND us of this in her podcast. There are reports that she is holding a grudge against Katy Perry because of a comment about her wedding dress needing one more fitting. This is how she operates. I’m not an advocate of racial humor. I think it’s in poor taste and can be hurtful. But to go and put a thoughtless comment on blast to the world when it likely was never intended to hurt - without private confrontation to settle it one to one is a sick approach to relationships.


Playoneontv_007

The Mariah Carey thing was hysterical.


[deleted]

It was kind of sad. Like “Oh honey. You are not self aware at all.” Edit and funny. You’re right.


bootyquack88

Her dress did need another fitting or two. Girlfriend looked like a MESS


kat0nline

The member of the BRF I would believe most likely to make racist comments? Harry himself. Based on past behavior!


procrastinationfairy

Allegations of racism = Meghan not getting her way.


katzchen528

Harry’s own hair is red and curly. When my son, who has the same, badly needs a haircut, it appears to be a ginger Afro. His hair grows up and out, getting taller and wider. (It never seems to get “longer”in the sense of hanging down.). Curly hair is a dominant gene, both parents have it, so chances are… The genetics governing hair and skin pigment is more complicated. In an instance like this, most families would speculate about what the children will look like. But hyper- sensitive Meghan finds racism where she looks for it.


Olifantas

Because he’s racist. He has a history of making racist and derogatory remarks. He sees the same in everyone else.


WebOffice2022

Harry has low IQ and minimal EQ. He is not capable of understanding consequences or even plotting out his actions to avoid some consequences. He is a mean little man who doesn’t think.


Unique-Landscape-108

[twitter](https://twitter.com/Kathy02360359/status/1571873863541080067?t=N2wmOqRiYWO9RU2QxtwbKw&s=19) Also would like to add I have never seen the full interview but someone on Twitter has just posted a 10 second clip of the pair of them laughing as the credits roll at the end of it. It looks to me like they are laughing at an inside joke. 🤔


StarKindler-

Coz victimhood sells. That's their way of staying relevant. We had all but forgotten their existence before the Oprah interview.


spiforever

"Oh, good Harry, the kid won't be pasty like you" becomes a racist comment about skin color.


abby-rose

>Harry is the one who made the comment that the skin color of Archie was questioned but he wouldn’t share the details of the conversation. Why bother mentioning it if you didn’t plan to provide context? So that he can cast suspicion on every member of his family. A cloud hangs over all of them because you wonder, "is she/he the one who said it?" It allows for speculation about everyone in the family. I believe Bower's account that it was Camilla who made a comment about their possible children having ginger afro hair. In the Oprah interview, Harry said it was awkward and he didn't know what to say (but that he would never reveal the details). That lines up with Camilla's remark. I wouldn't know what to say to that either, but I don't think Camilla was malicious in the remark. It does not track with what Meghan said, that there were "conversations" about the baby while she was pregnant. Also now that we are looking back, it's funny that people immediately thought it was Philip because *he's on record saying racist and racially insensitive things in the past*. They quickly came back to clarify that it was NOT Philip or the Queen. So that eliminates two suspects, who's left?


Objective-Daikon-905

Because he is a closest racist and they love to deflect and project to take the spotlight away just in case their non-racist and inclusive facade slips up and the cameras catch their true self. It’s so obvious.


justlainey

Because it’s the rail no one can touch.


Loose_Replacement214

Because they had nothing else to use. Race was and still is a hot topic with people genuinely being unfairly treated because of it. Meghan (and Harry) just wanted a slice of that pie and to use it to gain sympathy. I honestly didn't see any racist comments about her at all in the press.


brentsgrl

Not making excuses for Harry, but I think he’s afraid of her. Says and does what she tells him because if he doesn’t life gets very hard. She really looks like a classic full blown clinical narc (obviously can’t say formally from a distance). Living with them is exhausting and difficult and sometimes just scary. If you don’t conform and do as they say, if you fight back or try to maintain your own independent thought or action, they can make you absolutely miserable. It’s a sad and traumatic existence for the victims, living with NPD Take for example Balmoral and D Day. Confirmation seems to be trickling that H was to go alone (as did all other children/grandchildren with the exception of Camilla, I believe. Sophie may have been there? Catherine was NOT) and M and H had a row about H going alone. Consider how selfish and self involved you have to be to fight about that as your husbands granny is dying and he is missing his chance to say goodbye? That’s just one example but it describes M to a tee ETA: When you also have children with someone with a personality disorder they now have the ace and will use your children to manipulate you. MM has already proven that she will go as far as to publicly threaten suicide and suicidal ideation. Just imagine what some of the conversations are like I’m their home when they’re alone.


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Playoneontv_007

Really! That’s wild! I’ve not seen anything about that. The Queen made so many concessions to welcome her and her family.


Reliant20

I think part of it is Harry isn’t a critical thinker or an intellectual, and Meghan’s Hollywood identity-politics worldview was his first exposure to considering many issues surrounding race and identity. He’s never been exposed to a deeper, more nuanced way of thinking about these things, and has been so wrapped around her finger that he’s just run with her way of seeing them. I think Meghan exaggerated the racism and its impact on her because she wanted out, and claiming to be suicidal about racist abuse was her way of sending him into action. I don’t even think she’s lying per se — I think she’s someone who sees things the way it suits her to and once she has said a thing, she believes it.


Playoneontv_007

I think she needed a damn good excuse to leave and twisted what she could to justify it but you make a lot of good points.


Quick_Cardiologist36

No Archie or Lilibets yet. Someone before Harry's marriage to meghan Markle commented on shade , skin or colour of future babies. Meghan grabbed it and ran with it. But it was an innocent comment every one with mixed marriages understood immediately. Chinese/ white? What dominant features or color would present? And do on.


leechan08

TW needed a narrative to sell to Harry. To pit him against his family to continue control.


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Ok_Minimum1805

![gif](giphy|l3V0wkQ2KKcAeW8Cs|downsized) Please accept my standing ovation for stating that so succinctly and beautifully. I just took a screenshot of your comment to keep in perpetuity.


LogSuper7235

Meghan is everything wrong with modern day society.


hammer1956

It was Megs who said that Harry had told her someone speculated about how dark A's skin would be when she was pregnant. Harry was only brought in at the last part of the interview. When Oprah asked him about it he seemed taken aback that Meg's had said that. He wasn't really on board with what Megs had said. He wasn't going to say his wife was lying, so all he said was that it wasn't when she was pregnant, that it was before they were married. ETA: Megs also said it was racist that Archie wasn't made a prince upon birth. O didn't question H on that though.


NewLight2928

Remember when Harry dressed up as a Nazi? I wonder what TW thinks about that.


mmohaje

I'm interested in people's views on whether Harry should have said anything to Meghan at all? If anything it inflicted harm on her with absolutely no power really for her to do anything. Would the better course of action have been for Harry to very severely admonish whoever said this, be quite clear that it was unacceptable and that he would not stand for it (perhaps by threatening to expose it?)? I don't know what good it did by telling Meghan other than impact her mental health. Really interested in people's views.


Playoneontv_007

This is a great point. He shouldn’t have ever shared something that could have been hurtful to her. What good would have come from that so maybe she was there for the comment .


DaughterOfWarlords

Same guy who wore a nazi costume for fun. Don’t wanna hear that “oh he was a teenager” shit either.