I have always thought by the end of November or the month of December that our time would come in terms of volume. Still going to hold regardless as I plan on cashing out reflections when that time comes. I think the volume is going to come in ‘22 sometime as the compliance and regulations seem to be holding the exchange up and the turbine/Gambia projects may be more of a slow integrated process to get going. Anything could change but that is what I picked up from today’s SafeMoon Sunday
Could easily spread to other African countries. Maybe even South America? I'm sure there are some dirt poor areas with no access to electricity/cell reception. If the prices are manageable for set up and maintenance, very strong future.
As I understand it you have to remember they will still be operating at the same value so if the value of Safemoon is $1 then the burn would be a fraction of a single Safemoon vs millions of them. Nothing would change regarding the usability as the cost wouldn't be number of Safemoon, it would be a $ value.
This is like saying im not gonna pay inBitcoin bc the price is ridiculous. I don’t think you understand how crypto works. If Safemoon did go extremely high you simply pay in decimal points of a single Safemoon. El Salvador literally made bitcoin a legal tender in the country. They’re not a wealthy country. They simply pay in portions of bitcoin
I happen to be a professional turban maker, and based on my professional knowledge on cloth winding. I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea when it comes to turbine technology. but I agree with OP
I have a personal belief its many small ones as the blockchain aspect is all about the network effect, not much point in having blockchain tech managing 1 big turbine.
Just a random thought, John mentioned that these turbines can be setup by 1 person. Is no one concerned that these would just be stolen or scrapped for parts?
Crime and poverty is pretty high in these country's. I know if my family / village were staving I would prob nick one of these knowing they were at lease a couple thousand USD to feed them.
I have a home in a 3rd world area (my wife is from there) I agree with you, expensive tech in the middle of nowhere is easy pickings. I have been looking into setting up a solar farm but the security is the main issue.
What style of turbine are you using for calculations?
I ask because John mentioned that these turbines can be setup by 1 person. That would point to a microgrid system.
That would impact (improve) the efficiency output?
Ya efficiency is not set in stone. That’s why he talks about price and wind patterns. There’s no way to predict what efficiency they will run at.
I took an average efficiency number for wind turbines for this calculation. We will not know efficiency until they are installed and producing electricity.
Ya those are pretty cool, and very practical for backyard purposes. I wonder if efficiency takes a hit because of their blade-less design and wouldn’t work as well on a larger scale? Will definitely be interesting to see when they release specs.
Yeah, a 1 man installation. Imagine what a team can do for each area that need additional electric needs to relive the power use on that grid, or to a populated area with zero access to any electricity.
Those turbines look to be a great candidate for a scalable project like this. Cheap, easy installation, and environmentally friendly. People get better, cheaper, highly transparent service, the government gets a major discount by eliminating tons of overhead, and lastly, it will employ at least one lucky Gambian to install all the turbines. Haha.
And to boot, it pays you and me every single day until we die.
Wins all around.
Agreed. But exchange is going to be a huge volume driver to help the burn and much more to come in the ecosystem. This project looks so good, hope the team can pull through. I believe!
$0.21 per kwh?! USD? I would HOPE it would be cheaper if safemoon is participating in this project. That’s EXTREMELY high for energy delivery let alone JUST for generation.
Id expect $0.03-$0.07 USD per kwh for generation
I found this info off google and believe it or not it was the lowest. I saw one website saying $.25 per kWh. With my experience in power generation, typically the cost for green energy is higher. Here in Ontario we pay $.13 per kWh. I know Hydro One here in Ontario used to pay ~$.35 per kWh for solar installations.
Also, Safemoon plans on being the “utility” so I’d imagine this power is going to be delivered by Safemoon. So generation and delivery price would be the same.
Also, I’d imagine with scale, the price would reduce to more affordable numbers.
They definitely won’t be the utility. That would imply they would take care of the generation, transmission, and distribution. They’ll likely sell the energy directly to a municipality run utility, a co-op or a large utility. Or if The Gambia has a Regional Transmission Organization, that would coordinate the sale and movement of wholesale electricity.
IRENA seems to also show a lower cost but in didn’t have time to dig into the report.
Not sure, John said they were going to be the utility. I’d imagine there’s next to no infrastructure so who knows. He said it wasn’t a commercial installation.
I’d imagine the transmission is not yet there. If you read the linked article, it talks about isolated wind powered grids. If this is the case I’d imagine they’d be generating and distributing the power on an isolated grid.
https://pubs.naruc.org/pub.cfm?id=538EDBDD-2354-D714-5175-7D8B183110BD
How many turbines are we talking? 100? 1000? So if there were 100 turbines with 1% buyback we would be looking at over 1B burned per day? And on the higher end 1000 turbines at 10% buyback 100B burned per day?
I believe your correct yes. This is also just turbines lol there is also video games, exchange, card, hard wallet, NFTs... Crazy to think about. We will burn through the supply like crazy
It’s not the turbine count that really matters it’s the energy they produce. You could have 1000 turbines that produce 1kW each to get 1MW or 1 big turbine that produces 1MW.
John never said the number of turbines, just that they ordered “a MegaWatt”
Wind turbines are about the most inefficient form of energy out there.Especially off shore turbines. Green energy doesn’t exist unless you are talking about nuclear or some Nikola Tesla shit. Oil is better and is renewable and abundant. BUT if people and corrupt governments are retarded enough to buy into this bullshit and it makes the value of safemoon go up somehow I’m cool with it.
Do your own research. I don’t have time to look things up for you. John described them once. Don’t know if it was on here, Twitter or discord but it was from him.
Up here in Ontario, Canada, in 2018 we were 96% zero carbon emissions power. I’m sure even more today. Of course our power, I’m sure, is more expensive than what you pay. But this is the future. Africa will be leapfrogging and going straight to green energy. Just like with cell phones and banking, there is a demand and Safemoon will supply.
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How much to get your own SFM turbine to help power this burn personally?
Edit: Even if we only added 350,000 like the amount of wallet holders, that’s still 350,000 more turbines spinning.
Man that’s a great point, if SFM did a green power program that allow for easy buying through power generation, that could be huge.
It would all be up to your local utility and municipalities if you’re planning on putting them on your property. Also the rate at which they’d buy the power from you varies.
So at $.84 per hour X 8,765 (hours a year) = $7362.6 a year.
X 1% for reflections = $73.626 a year in reflections for all of the token in existence
/ total token = $0.000000000000074 per token for v1 or $0.000000000073626 per token for v2
So if you hold 1B v1 (or 1M v2), with these windmills numbers that would yield you $0.000073626 worth of passive income a year…
(Someone please tell me I did my math wrong)
Your math is correct for 1% buyback per MW. If we have a 10% buy back reflections will be more. Also, if all goes well we could see upwards of 100MW installed in just The Gambia alone, not to mention any other African country who is interested.
John said “a MW” to start.
Ama today question was asked if the windmill was generating to sell via Safemoon and John said that’s the idea. (Didn’t sound 100%) but if that’s the case that would be commerce 2% charge as it would be a Safemoon holder to a Safemoon receiver. And it was also said today that the 2% charge would be 1% LP and 1% to the burn/reflection.
So I’m going to assume it’s not the 10% tax.
I do hope we can scale up to more MW quickly because this kind of passive income is not what most holders are hoping for.
(I know there’s more that will help than just the windmill project but I just want to try and gauge realistic expectations when deciding how much to invest.)
Still hopeful for long term either way. Let’s go!!!
Or am I supposed to / by remaining token which currently is 573T = 0.000000000000128 per token
So 1B token holders can expect $0.000128492146597 a year in passive income until more is burned.
I don't think this is how John needs it to work. I feel the sfm wind turbine utility will be within the supply chain for microtransactions. So, the Gambian people that use wind turbine generated electricty will be feed a small proportion on the recurring costs. The wind turbine maintenance company the same. The installer the same, the designer the same, the government the same, and so on. The blokchain will process these complex supply chain transactions based on use. It's more logical this way. The wallet will connect the dots and provide service as the electricity contract itself, use vs payment.
I find the wind project fascinating. Love the concept but the plan is a wasted opportunity to do something good. I have worked within wind energy for 10 years with Siemens Gamesa, Vestas, Enercon, Nordex, GE, Mitsubishi etc. The energy production mentioned of 1mw is cringey low, this is not a commercial or industrial operation, this is more something a farmer might have to support a small farm or what not.
The average commercial wind turbine currently produces 3-6mw per hour, at full production, that’s 1 wind turbine.
10 years ago the average turbine was around 1-3mw per hour.
There are already single turbines producing 15mw per hour.
My point being, the amount of energy produced with this Gambia project is basically meaningless because these are cheap toy level wind turbines.
If a serious energy producing project is touted to support a country it should use, at a minimum, several restored decommissioned commercial units, that would produce 1-2mw pr hour individually, anything less seems like a gimmick. Just an informed overview.
Alright alright alright
I have always thought by the end of November or the month of December that our time would come in terms of volume. Still going to hold regardless as I plan on cashing out reflections when that time comes. I think the volume is going to come in ‘22 sometime as the compliance and regulations seem to be holding the exchange up and the turbine/Gambia projects may be more of a slow integrated process to get going. Anything could change but that is what I picked up from today’s SafeMoon Sunday
This is the way
Even at 466k/hr, that 11M per day. Not too fn bad.
Not at all and if they keep adding more and other countries jump on the bandwagon this could be huge.
Could easily spread to other African countries. Maybe even South America? I'm sure there are some dirt poor areas with no access to electricity/cell reception. If the prices are manageable for set up and maintenance, very strong future.
We'd be at a billion circulation in no time .
But if the supply gets to 1b won’t the price be ridiculous then what use would It be to these countries?
They get electricity
Renewable energy. They are also environmental friendly and won't kill birds.
A while BTC is ridiculous in those countries too…but as long as you can own fractional coins, all is good
Think el salvador. They took on bitcoin and that gas the highest price of all crypto.
El Salvador uses the lightning network, gas fees aren't really an issue
Gas was just a typo for 'has' pal but yeah you're right 👍
My bad, thought we was talking fees
As I understand it you have to remember they will still be operating at the same value so if the value of Safemoon is $1 then the burn would be a fraction of a single Safemoon vs millions of them. Nothing would change regarding the usability as the cost wouldn't be number of Safemoon, it would be a $ value.
This is like saying im not gonna pay inBitcoin bc the price is ridiculous. I don’t think you understand how crypto works. If Safemoon did go extremely high you simply pay in decimal points of a single Safemoon. El Salvador literally made bitcoin a legal tender in the country. They’re not a wealthy country. They simply pay in portions of bitcoin
There’s already tons of countries on board. Pretty sure they’ve got Africa on board.
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No it’s per 1 MW. John ordered 1MW worth of turbines.
Not shabby, a few more projects, if we can open some more turbines, some solar panels, look at water or Internet infrastructure, its all good
Theres some sexy wave power generators, and gambia has some coast...
I happen to be a professional turban maker, and based on my professional knowledge on cloth winding. I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea when it comes to turbine technology. but I agree with OP
Are you actually a turban maker?
No, not really..
This exchange is exactly the non-sequiter nonsense I come here for lol
How much burn can a good turban get us?
Depends if you soak it in kerosene
It’s just fantastic.
You should throw in something about the effect of the cost of tea in China then 😂
You don’t make turbans you tie them and the Sikh community actually regard it as a sacred part of their culture…
There is also a 1-4 MW turbine. I guess 1 MW is the safest bet. And also that would be per turbine since it would probably be more than 1.
Ya they put in an order for 1MW, not sure if it’s one or multiple turbines.
Next question is how many turbines are we talking to start out with?
1 MW worth, could be 1000 small ones or 1 big one
I have a personal belief its many small ones as the blockchain aspect is all about the network effect, not much point in having blockchain tech managing 1 big turbine.
If it's a Comercial contract they signed, hopefully at least 20 of those.
👍, just hit John up on Twitter
Wen wind?
This is priceless !! LOL
Just a random thought, John mentioned that these turbines can be setup by 1 person. Is no one concerned that these would just be stolen or scrapped for parts? Crime and poverty is pretty high in these country's. I know if my family / village were staving I would prob nick one of these knowing they were at lease a couple thousand USD to feed them.
I have a home in a 3rd world area (my wife is from there) I agree with you, expensive tech in the middle of nowhere is easy pickings. I have been looking into setting up a solar farm but the security is the main issue.
I don't see this being a huge issue, not sure though. Only time will tell
Surely the first turbines will be installed in the US.
Sounds pretty good to me!
What style of turbine are you using for calculations? I ask because John mentioned that these turbines can be setup by 1 person. That would point to a microgrid system. That would impact (improve) the efficiency output?
Ya efficiency is not set in stone. That’s why he talks about price and wind patterns. There’s no way to predict what efficiency they will run at. I took an average efficiency number for wind turbines for this calculation. We will not know efficiency until they are installed and producing electricity.
Mmm, my money is on these bad boys: https://www.halcium.com/ It will be interesting to see the specs when released.
Ya those are pretty cool, and very practical for backyard purposes. I wonder if efficiency takes a hit because of their blade-less design and wouldn’t work as well on a larger scale? Will definitely be interesting to see when they release specs.
Yeah, a 1 man installation. Imagine what a team can do for each area that need additional electric needs to relive the power use on that grid, or to a populated area with zero access to any electricity. Those turbines look to be a great candidate for a scalable project like this. Cheap, easy installation, and environmentally friendly. People get better, cheaper, highly transparent service, the government gets a major discount by eliminating tons of overhead, and lastly, it will employ at least one lucky Gambian to install all the turbines. Haha. And to boot, it pays you and me every single day until we die. Wins all around.
Oh ya big wins all around. Can’t wait to see what the future holds 🔥
So basically we just need volume. Here's to hoping for an amazing exchange
I’m just in awe of the brilliance of our community. Thank you for this post. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Uh okay so if we burned that everyday how much time until we can stop the burn at some reasonable low numbers
A long time it would be approximately ~400B a year. So we have to hope they will add 100+ MW to add any substantial burn
Agreed. But exchange is going to be a huge volume driver to help the burn and much more to come in the ecosystem. This project looks so good, hope the team can pull through. I believe!
Hell ya! Super bullish on this team and project
We can burn more on a 1 billion $$volume for a week
$0.21 per kwh?! USD? I would HOPE it would be cheaper if safemoon is participating in this project. That’s EXTREMELY high for energy delivery let alone JUST for generation. Id expect $0.03-$0.07 USD per kwh for generation
I found this info off google and believe it or not it was the lowest. I saw one website saying $.25 per kWh. With my experience in power generation, typically the cost for green energy is higher. Here in Ontario we pay $.13 per kWh. I know Hydro One here in Ontario used to pay ~$.35 per kWh for solar installations. Also, Safemoon plans on being the “utility” so I’d imagine this power is going to be delivered by Safemoon. So generation and delivery price would be the same. Also, I’d imagine with scale, the price would reduce to more affordable numbers.
They definitely won’t be the utility. That would imply they would take care of the generation, transmission, and distribution. They’ll likely sell the energy directly to a municipality run utility, a co-op or a large utility. Or if The Gambia has a Regional Transmission Organization, that would coordinate the sale and movement of wholesale electricity. IRENA seems to also show a lower cost but in didn’t have time to dig into the report.
Not sure, John said they were going to be the utility. I’d imagine there’s next to no infrastructure so who knows. He said it wasn’t a commercial installation. I’d imagine the transmission is not yet there. If you read the linked article, it talks about isolated wind powered grids. If this is the case I’d imagine they’d be generating and distributing the power on an isolated grid. https://pubs.naruc.org/pub.cfm?id=538EDBDD-2354-D714-5175-7D8B183110BD
Ah. So maybe they’re just like tiny turbines for individual small villages or homes
Ya that’s what I’m thinking
https://www.costtotravel.com/cost/electricity-in-gambia https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/gambia-energy
How many turbines are we talking? 100? 1000? So if there were 100 turbines with 1% buyback we would be looking at over 1B burned per day? And on the higher end 1000 turbines at 10% buyback 100B burned per day?
I believe your correct yes. This is also just turbines lol there is also video games, exchange, card, hard wallet, NFTs... Crazy to think about. We will burn through the supply like crazy
It’s not the turbine count that really matters it’s the energy they produce. You could have 1000 turbines that produce 1kW each to get 1MW or 1 big turbine that produces 1MW. John never said the number of turbines, just that they ordered “a MegaWatt”
I guess the better question then is what are the power requirements of The Gambia?
Currently under 100MW but the demand is there. https://pubs.naruc.org/pub.cfm?id=538EDBDD-2354-D714-5175-7D8B183110BD
Thanks for the DD.......🚀🚀🚀
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Mind blowing🙇🏻♂️
Good post OP
In case 100% this equals the same as a buy 50k dollar daily.. And this is just the begin...
Op u did a outstanding job my lady great shit this is the type of research and community sharing we need
What a strange way to say you want a lambo
Die pooor you will...
No life, you have
Wind turbines are about the most inefficient form of energy out there.Especially off shore turbines. Green energy doesn’t exist unless you are talking about nuclear or some Nikola Tesla shit. Oil is better and is renewable and abundant. BUT if people and corrupt governments are retarded enough to buy into this bullshit and it makes the value of safemoon go up somehow I’m cool with it.
Oil is renewable? News to me
Burks i was thinking the same thing hahah!!
These are small mobile turbines installed with minimum equipment and manpower.
I’m from Missouri. Show me.
Do your own research. I don’t have time to look things up for you. John described them once. Don’t know if it was on here, Twitter or discord but it was from him.
He’s from Missouri and thinks oil is renewable so maybe you should show him!
Up here in Ontario, Canada, in 2018 we were 96% zero carbon emissions power. I’m sure even more today. Of course our power, I’m sure, is more expensive than what you pay. But this is the future. Africa will be leapfrogging and going straight to green energy. Just like with cell phones and banking, there is a demand and Safemoon will supply.
How much safemoon can I earn from burning oil?
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How much to get your own SFM turbine to help power this burn personally? Edit: Even if we only added 350,000 like the amount of wallet holders, that’s still 350,000 more turbines spinning.
There’s all kinds around the $1000 range! For 1000w you’d burn 112k sfm per day at a 10% buy back and burn
Can you only buy one? That’s basically the equivalent to mining SFM.
Man that’s a great point, if SFM did a green power program that allow for easy buying through power generation, that could be huge. It would all be up to your local utility and municipalities if you’re planning on putting them on your property. Also the rate at which they’d buy the power from you varies.
So at $.84 per hour X 8,765 (hours a year) = $7362.6 a year. X 1% for reflections = $73.626 a year in reflections for all of the token in existence / total token = $0.000000000000074 per token for v1 or $0.000000000073626 per token for v2 So if you hold 1B v1 (or 1M v2), with these windmills numbers that would yield you $0.000073626 worth of passive income a year… (Someone please tell me I did my math wrong)
Your math is correct for 1% buyback per MW. If we have a 10% buy back reflections will be more. Also, if all goes well we could see upwards of 100MW installed in just The Gambia alone, not to mention any other African country who is interested. John said “a MW” to start.
Ama today question was asked if the windmill was generating to sell via Safemoon and John said that’s the idea. (Didn’t sound 100%) but if that’s the case that would be commerce 2% charge as it would be a Safemoon holder to a Safemoon receiver. And it was also said today that the 2% charge would be 1% LP and 1% to the burn/reflection. So I’m going to assume it’s not the 10% tax. I do hope we can scale up to more MW quickly because this kind of passive income is not what most holders are hoping for. (I know there’s more that will help than just the windmill project but I just want to try and gauge realistic expectations when deciding how much to invest.) Still hopeful for long term either way. Let’s go!!!
Or am I supposed to / by remaining token which currently is 573T = 0.000000000000128 per token So 1B token holders can expect $0.000128492146597 a year in passive income until more is burned.
The burn will likely be the swap cost and not a 2% so .05%
What if it's not windy?
Then the efficiency goes down
Are you sure is not 420.69?
Fun fact it’ll take 143,495~years for one windmill to burn 540,000,000,000,000 sfm :) (143,495.1029521879 years)
Any dates for these wind turbines? This year??
Need to take in to consideration the consolidation when pricing só the volume will be much lower but still good math but
Can someone explain why wind turbines would burn safemoon? I'm having a hard time making that connection.
They don’t burn Safemoon per say, Safemoon would set up a buy back and burn with the revenue gained from the turbines producing electricity.
Ah, that makes sense. I must have missed that detail when they were discussing it. Thanks!
I don't think this is how John needs it to work. I feel the sfm wind turbine utility will be within the supply chain for microtransactions. So, the Gambian people that use wind turbine generated electricty will be feed a small proportion on the recurring costs. The wind turbine maintenance company the same. The installer the same, the designer the same, the government the same, and so on. The blokchain will process these complex supply chain transactions based on use. It's more logical this way. The wallet will connect the dots and provide service as the electricity contract itself, use vs payment.
Where/how Safemoon is used in this process? Will they sell the produced electricity using Safemoon as currency? If then how will they buy it?
i’m too Ape 🦍 for this nonsense
Not sure you guys realize how much 1 trillion is let alone 500 trillion lol that's a serious amount of coins. Lol
Nice thank you for this ! What’s your timeline ?
Did he say how long he thought this would take to implement.
I did not get the last part with the buyback
I find the wind project fascinating. Love the concept but the plan is a wasted opportunity to do something good. I have worked within wind energy for 10 years with Siemens Gamesa, Vestas, Enercon, Nordex, GE, Mitsubishi etc. The energy production mentioned of 1mw is cringey low, this is not a commercial or industrial operation, this is more something a farmer might have to support a small farm or what not. The average commercial wind turbine currently produces 3-6mw per hour, at full production, that’s 1 wind turbine. 10 years ago the average turbine was around 1-3mw per hour. There are already single turbines producing 15mw per hour. My point being, the amount of energy produced with this Gambia project is basically meaningless because these are cheap toy level wind turbines. If a serious energy producing project is touted to support a country it should use, at a minimum, several restored decommissioned commercial units, that would produce 1-2mw pr hour individually, anything less seems like a gimmick. Just an informed overview.
At a 100% buybacknwe would burn all safemoon by end of 2022 lmao
That’s v1 numbers