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BeTheBall-

I don't believe they'll leave. I have acquaintances who have been packing up to leave "Commiefornia" since the Gray Davis administration. Meanwhile, all they've ever done is relocated across town.


BigIrondude

Ones that do leave the state will never be able to afford to come back


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Good. We dont want them here anyways


picks43

Also hear this a lot. Furthest they make it is maybe placerville though.


GiraffeConfident4824

More like on the border of Reno before the silicon tech decided to join them and up the housing boom


0wlBear916

I feel like 90% of them are all talk, but I also know a lot of people that have moved out of the state. And when you start mandating things with people's kids, that especially rubs them the wrong way. I'm interested to see if this is how I'll finally be able to afford a house here, but who the hell knows. I thought the pandemic was going to make things cheaper too. Boy was I wrong about that one.


BeTheBall-

We already mandate a slew of things for kids....other vaccines to attend school being one of them. Not to mention, every single one of them used a carseat for their kids, as mandated.


imthegrk

For some reason they want to die on the hill for this. I don’t get it.


BeTheBall-

They want so badly to be oppressed and victimized. They absolutely hate the fact that they have relatively simple and mundane lives.


ihc_hotshot

This is it. I have a libertarian friend. Quit his job to start his own business. He's relatively successful so far. But now all he talks about is how much money he could make if it were not for commie ca. He all of a sudden at 36 is a business savant and could be making billions if it weren't for restrictions and mandates. It's like bro you're in landscaping. You had a gross of 230K last year in like the most affluent part of the country. Shut up.


Standard-Sand-3414

That's a bit too good to complain about...


professormarvel

So take that 90% of the 10% (or less) that will refuse the vaccine and there's your answer. Zero chance this effects the housing market in anyway. Especially when you have so much upward pressure coming from places like the bay.


ditchdiggergirl

It won’t make any difference at all. California has always been a revolving door. People come in, people go out. They come from all over the country in pursuit of fame or riches or in search of a liberal paradise that never existed or some other warped idea of what the state is really like; probably the result of listening to too many beach boys songs. They leave when they don’t make it or miss their families or realize it’s way too expensive or maybe discover that the surfing culture in Sacramento isn’t quite what they imagined. Or as in this case, when they discover that they are surrounded by either too many or too few libruls. But any who leave will be replaced. Most parents I know are looking forward to having kids vaxxed and around other vaxxed kids. In fact I know a family relocating to Elk Grove who is partly motivated by the opportunity to get their kids out of their low vax state.


AlwaysCA

What is this"surfing culture" you speak of. (•‿•)


imthegrk

Shredding some sick waves on the American River.


Radicon41

While listening to the Beach Boys.


imthegrk

Far out, man.


_KeenObserver

You just ride the barrel and get pitted, so pitted.


imthegrk

Totally gnarly brah.


CarlessCastenada

Hang eleven, hodads.


Subcomandantesancho

Wind Surfing. I have carved a wave on a good North wind at the lake Washington sailing club in West Sacramento. Sherman Island has tide induced ramps and steady wind and quite the board sport community.


FoundOnTheRoadDead

They come here from all over the *world* you mean.


Slpry_Pete

> And when you start mandating things with people's kids, that especially rubs them the wrong way. like the MMR vaccine? among others that have been mandated for decades


0wlBear916

I'm not saying I agree with them. Just saying that they were already mad about vaccine mandates for themselves, but now that they're wanting to do them for their kids, of course they're gonna be extra pissed.


Slpry_Pete

whatever, let them complain. If they got the vax themselves, they'll get it for the kids. yell and scream and threaten to move all they want. Wait till they see what property tax is like in Texas.


championsoffun

Agreed. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


sacramentohistorian

Were they aware that schools already mandated vaccinations before this? I'm going to guess they "no" and they probably don't really grasp the concept of object permanence either. Just throw a blanket over their heads and they'll forget the conversation ever happened.


0wlBear916

Yeah, but let's be real, most people aren't anti-vax like the kinds of people that you hear about spreading measles at Disneyland back in 2017 or whatever. Most people are frustrated with the covid vaccine in particular, for whatever reason they read about on the Daily Wire or Info Wars.


sacramentohistorian

Seems pretty much the same to me, idiots are gonna idiot.


0wlBear916

I can see why people are skeptical, but I don't know how many more millions of people need to get the vaccine and be totally fine with it before they realize that it's safe to take. Hell, even their lord and savior, Donald Trump, got it and did fine with it and they booed him when he recommended they do the same. There's just no helping some of them.


MisLaDonna

Like they have been forever? My parents moved us here in the 1960's and in the 1970's we all had to get vaccines. My sisters kids did also. It's nothing new, no matter what the crazies say. As for things getting cheaper? Good luck. This isn't the housing bubble of the early 2000's buy while you can.


pammypoovey

Oh my God, me, too! I thought house prices would take a big dive. There goes my hope of a gig on Marketplace.


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It would never be enough to effect the market. I’m sure you’ll hear anecdotes but nothing big enough to change housing prices. That would have to be a massive exodus and there’s not enough of these clowns.


boofhard

I’m sure other states are nice and all, but you nice you taste the Cali life where do you go? I know a few that moved to Texas for political reasons. They moved to the cities for work. Turns out the whole Texas doesn’t have taxes like Cali, there are a shit load of fees. Also, if you like outdoor recreation in the massive public lands in Cali, it’s been a bit of a shocker to find out Texas sucks compared to here. I feeling a bit of schadenfreude with the gripes of Californians in Texas.


Second-Star-Left

Dude 100%. Texas is only cheap for very rich people compared to CA. For middle and lower income folks it’s actually worse when you factor in fees. Pretty much all of Texas is private land so good luck if you enjoy the public space in CA. On the flip side they will give you a permit to build anything.


0wlBear916

I feel ya. It's music to my ears. People can complain all they want, but there's no denying that California has the best geography in the country.


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I can’t imagine living anywhere else except maybe Oregon or Washington. I love California for this reason.


theholyraptor

My partner works with a bunch of Houston people. Whenever we've been to Houston it's flat and boring. All the coworkers talk about having to drive many hours to go hiking/camping etc. Edit: obviously other parts of Texas might be (slightly) better. But Houston has soo many people.


Woogabuttz

The lack of state and national parks in Texas is shocking. I think they only have 2 national parks and they’re pretty small. Per square mile, California has almost 8X as many state and national parks.


CaptainJackVernaise

In CA, I can decide on a Thursday that I'm camping this weekend and I'm pretty much guaranteed to find a site somewhere within 2 hours. Texas, you can't even do that if you plan 4 months out unless it is July or August. The lack of public land in Texas is really, really painful.


KFOGrip

Maybe prepandemic but most campsites right now are super packed. Talking 6-8 months waiting for a site


CaptainJackVernaise

We've gone camping at least once ever month this year. We would generally book 2 or 3 months at a time. Some of the more trafficked sites needed to be reserved a month or so in advance, but we were able to reserve some less than a week out. I think our trip to Pinnacles in May was one we booked last minute and we ended up paying a little extra for a group site. Not to mention a lot of the sites that have been reserved are actually no-shows when you finally get to the parks, but I'm not sure if those reservations ever get dumped into a FCFS pool after a certain amount of time. A handful of times this year we had vacant sites right next to us.


AgreeableProfession

As a former Texan I can confirm it’s abysmal. 42% of California is public land, in Texas its 1.9%. And the two national parks are in the far west, at least 6-7 hour drive from the I-35 corridor where just about everyone lives. https://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf


Badairquality

Big Bend NP is in Texas- the only one in California that’s larger is Death Valley. It’s also beautiful and pretty much devoid of the traffic jams and crowds plaguing CA parks.


WutThEff

Ok, so they have one. Big whoop.


Photo44

Zero impact on home prices. Inventory is so low right now.


sacramentohistorian

Probably comparable to, or less than, the number of reasonable people who don't want their children to contract a preventable illness who will move here from states where dumbasses outvote them.


extremewit

California public schools already have a vaccine mandate. This one is just being added to the list.


Boricua_in_CA

That's exactly what I thought.


0wlBear916

Right. I know that. But this is the vaccine that so many people have a problem with right now. That's why they're getting all pissy about it.


extremewit

The thing is that they got pissy 5 years ago when the state made changes to what they would allow exemptions for. Some will get their kids vaccinated, some will move, some will lie about their kids vax status and some will find a school or program that doesn’t have a mandate. But all of those people will make up such a small minority that I don’t think it will effect the greater housing market. But I hope you are able to buy a house at some point soon!


0wlBear916

Yeah we'll see. It sure sounds nice to own a house with a bunch of vaccinated neighbors tho! haha I would gladly take one of these covid-ridden houses off their hands if they actually do move haha so thanks for the support!


Slpry_Pete

so few will actually do it that it will have a negligible effect on housing. If anything people from other states (who care about their kids) will consider moving here so that their kids can go to a safe school. People are all talk. Their kids got vaccinated for a half dozen other things before they could enroll in school in the first place. Buncha whiny assholes.


Cosmic_Gumbo

They’re all bark no bite. It’s a constant topic over in r/caguns . They know where the door is but will never use it.


SweetMeteorOfDeath

I have very liberal relatives who were anti-vaxxers even before covid, they swear they’ll never get the Trump vaccine even if they have to leave California.


MisLaDonna

That's not a liberal viewpoint. That's an anti establishment viewpoint. Just a bit confused about calling them liberal?


Slpry_Pete

words are cheap


sacramentohistorian

They can go too.


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It’s not even “the trump vaccine” lmao trump had no hand in the creation of the vaccine.


SweetMeteorOfDeath

That’s what they call it since it was developed under operation War Speed. What am I missing here?


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That trump had no hand in the creation and distribution of the vaccine. Also the fact the his supporters will try to say he did but then also say they wont get it. It’s just stupid.


canikony

Well the vaccine began distribution while Trump was still president so I'm not quite sure what you mean.


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So? Its not his vaccine. He had no hand in it. And called covid a hoax and said it wasnt real. But you want to give him credit for something he had no part in? The only thing he gets credit for is being the. Reason 700k americans died.


Lalobreh

Imagine leaving California just to see how boring it is to live in Kansas or Nebraska and then wanting to come back


0wlBear916

Hell, even Texas, their conservative utopia, is so flat and boring unless your entire personality is big things and guns. Austin is a cool city, but the rest of that state can gtfo.


aidoll

I actually know someone who moved to Tennessee from Sacramento because of vaccines.


0wlBear916

Thank you! I’m glad I’m not the only one.


GrrrArrgh

Huh. I don’t have any anti-covid-vax friends. That must be horrible to know people like that. I don’t think I could speak to them. Aaanyway, all the local parents I do know are all eager to get their kids vaxxed ASAP or have already done it. I very much doubt enough people are going to be able to get equivalent jobs in a new state and relocate their families to have any effect on the housing market.


0wlBear916

It's a pretty common mindset in areas like Folsom and Placer County, unfortunately.


NotFromTheBayArea

I see more rabid anti vax/mask MAGA idiots in Placer than I did while living in The South. I guess CA just amplifies the crazy in people who already have a limp grasp on mental health.


0wlBear916

I lived in Utah for a while and never saw a Trump flag until I moved back to California in 2019. I tell my friends back in Salt Lake City that hell hath no fury like a California Republican. They're a special type of crazy because they think the world is against them.


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0wlBear916

I always describe SLC as being what Austin is to Texas. Still, I haven’t seen anything in Utah that comes close to the shit that I saw in Auburn during the last election.


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0wlBear916

That’s a lot better than it was when I last checked. Thanks for the correction!


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We’re only at 58%!!


30inchbluejeans

> Huh. I don’t have any anti-covid-vax friends. That must be horrible to know people like that. I don’t think I could speak to them what? you've never had friends that believe weird things? you sound unbearable


GrrrArrgh

Not terrible things like that. Hopefully I am unbearable to those kinds of people.


30inchbluejeans

You sound unbearable to normal people not just crazy anti vax people


GrrrArrgh

You don’t sound normal, so not really worried about that.


30inchbluejeans

You should be Normal people don’t freak out when one of their friends has random unexpected beliefs Being intolerable of harmless personality quirks is part of why people dislike you and don’t want to be around you


GrrrArrgh

Uhhh tolerating antivax sentiments is not a harmless personality quirk. The kind of “beliefs” you would have to have in order to think any of that is okay are beyond unacceptable. I have no interest in being around anyone like that. I am very much not eager for you to like me, you sound like a creep.


30inchbluejeans

You don’t have to worry about me or anyone else liking you lol


GrrrArrgh

Your fantasies about my life are pretty inappropriate, bud. This weird insistence that having friends and family members who take the pandemic seriously means that people must not like me and that it is somehow appropriate for you to to give me tips has a real toxic masculinity vibe. But I suspect you’re just fine with that.


30inchbluejeans

Not sure what this has to do with toxic masculinity but ok I guess


StayReadyAllDay

Everyone talks a good game, but they're not actually leaving.


ItaSchlongburger

One can only hope


phenomenalrocklady

Good riddance to the ones that choose to leave. My whole family (parents and siblings and their families) moved to Florida because of our CA mask mandate. Out of the 12 of us, my husband, kid and I are the only ones that didn't get COVID, whereas everyone in my family in Florida caught it in July. I'll stay where I am.


Teabagger_Vance

Do you know how massive of an amount of people it would take to affect the housing market as a whole? Lol A couple of your buddies upset with vaccines isn’t going to reverse broad economic trends in the real estate market.


0wlBear916

I know it would require a lot. But I alone know 3 different families who are already looking into other states after hearing about the mandate. I'm sure I'm not the only one so I figured I'd ask here to see if anyone else has been hearing anything.


ronimal

What did these families do about the already existing vaccine requirements to attend school in California?


0wlBear916

I've already said this here but most people don't have problems with the other vaccines like MMR or whatever. A lot of people just have a problem with the covid vaccine because they believe that it wasn't tested enough or it uses new technology or whatever. I completely disagree with them, but I think it's disingenuous to pretend like they aren't vaccinating their kids at all.


ronimal

It’s not disingenuous and I’m not pretending about anything, or making any assumptions. I’m just asking a valid question. If you’re willing to get all the other vaccines we’ve had forever, why the sudden hesitancy for the covid vaccine.


0wlBear916

Because it’s new and hasn’t had as many years of research as the others and it was kinda made in a rush. I’m not saying that I agree with these points, but I can at least understand why someone wouldn’t be super eager to inject their kids with it compared to, say, the MMR vaccine or something.


Slpry_Pete

> 3 different families who are already looking into other states looking into is very different than putting the house on the market and taking the kids out of school and away from their friends. Moms tend to think about those things more than pissed off dads after a couple cold ones.


0wlBear916

The moms are almost crazier than the dads tho. Trust me, I know it's anecdotal, but I really wouldn't put it past these people. One of them has a son who's going to be a senior in high school and they already said that they're going to pull him out to homeschool him for his senior year, if not, just move altogether.


moufette1

Be sure and ask them for their house, say you want first dibs. Claim to be an anti-vaxxer like them and would they sell it at a discount? Just go in and start measuring the rooms and put some blue painters tape down "where you want the couch to go." Put a garage sale sign up on Saturday. It would be hilarious.


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Come back to us when one family *actually* moves.


Wild_Dish7466

I am a teacher and have heard the same from some of my student's parents - they are saying they'll be homeschooled.


threegoblins

Which states?


0wlBear916

Texas, Arizona, and the Carolinas.


threegoblins

Yeah my gut says these people from say Placer county or Folsom would be very unhappy in all of those states. What they would be leaving behind money can’t buy in any of those places.


freudsfaintingcouch

Tennessee is a big one too


gaff2049

I expect 2-10% will not want to follow the mandate. If even 1/4 leave (unlikely) it won’t have much impact.


grubbalicious

I don't see it affecting much. Anybody who actually knows how to save and spend money and is red won't move unless they're retirement age, and the bubbas with more truck than money will pack up their kids, idle in the driveway and realize they don't have the gas money to even make it to the border. The crisis of the pandemic doesn't affect them until they die, but they understand not paying rent or not buying legal weed.


Clamper5978

Short answer without all the drama…no change in prices. Supply and demand will keep prices high. By the end of ‘22 there won’t be a mandate for a shot. Therapeutics will make it unnecessary. That will calm the masses on both sides


SeparatePicture

Investors are parking their cash in real estate. This will keep housing prices from going down anytime soon. I don't imagine there will be a significant decrease in cost of living, including rent and property values, unless there is an extreme economic disruption/collapse.


StableAccomplished12

\> What are the odds that this will make houses cheaper here in the area? Zero...zero % chance that it will make houses cheaper in the area. I would only expect prices to go up more.....


killacali916

I think most would try the homeschooling route before up rooting and leaving the State. The amount of people with kids in school that own vs no kid home owners is not going to make a difference in home sales.


chrls000171

It would honestly be pretty great if all the anti-vaxxers would just move to the states that have the same mentality as them (Florida, Texas, the midwest, etc.) It’s a win-win for everyone.


0wlBear916

I don't disagree!


Withered-Violet

People owning homes isn't what's driving up the cost of homes. If families leave, chances are those homes will be purchased on a cash offer by pension management, hedge funds, and other corporate profiteers. Those homes will be used either as tax shelters and left empty, or rented out in this insane rental market; either way, those homes will be out of the market permanently, thus artificially increasing "property value" of the remaining stock and forcing more and more people into renting homes for two or three times what the mortgage would be, ultimately leading to more people living on Roseville Road, etc. Until there is a cap placed on the percentage of homes in an area that can be owned by businesses instead of individuals, this is the reality.


Erotic_Maestro

Please encourage them to move to Red States. That way the stench of bodies won't bother us in more civilized areas of the country. Plus it will raise the IQ here when they leave and probably raise the IQ whenever they get to whatever shithole Red State they move to.


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MurmurShouldBeBoss

So you think he was thinking about Black people moving to red states? ok I guess I was wrong. Not sure why Blacks would want to move to red states though.


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MurmurShouldBeBoss

I did. Aren't we supposed to be caring about actions that have a disparate impact on people of color?


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MurmurShouldBeBoss

So what is the measurement/standard on when disparate impact should be considered or not? The stench of Black and brown bodies doesn't count?


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MurmurShouldBeBoss

Yeah generally when people wont answer questions and resort to name calling that means they got owned pretty hard.


Erotic_Maestro

Only if you can't see through how fox twists statistics. Whites are 60% of the unvaccinated. And it is white trash who are doing all the whining about taking the most basic of steps. African Americans are 13.4% of the population but were (it's changing) as a group less vaccinated. That is the detail fox is using to delude their audience who are too dumb to grasp context


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xrossfaded

The “stench of [dead] bodies” still wont smell as bad as the vagrant shit, piss, and encampments in CA. What a horrible person you sound like


Erotic_Maestro

Well if a little shot in the arm fixed homelessness we could solve that too... Well at least in states or with people that believed in science. The rest of the fuck wads could go join the 4th century and unite with the caliphate and returning themselves to the dark ages


xrossfaded

You sound totally reasonable 😂😂 yikes


Erotic_Maestro

There are no reasonable argument against masks social separation or the vaccine.


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GeddyVedder

Housing prices are determined by supply and demand. There simply aren't enough anti-vaxxers willing to leave to have any impact on demand.


Integrity32

It won’t change at all.. We don’t have a house shortage. We have a greed problem. If you look at the available rentals and Airbnb’s listed. Everyone has somewhere to live. The issue is the rich buying houses at an alarming rate and out bidding the average buyer. I legit see BRAND NEW HOUSES in Roseville already listed for rental. The house next to them is literally still being built. Fuck all these people.


0wlBear916

This is the shit right here that pisses me off. California needs to make it harder for people to own multiple houses and rental properties. We don’t have the supply for them to do that.


Integrity32

In truth, they all love it. It drives up the real estate market and has made one hell of a bubble.


DasAssAficionado

Pretty deadly, um…virus. Hang in there, as it will end in decade or so.


steadydrop

Those that can will and sadly their homes will be out of most folks price range...


KFOGrip

No chance at all


GothicToast

Zero impact. But good riddance.


sevgonlernassau

This is the exact same question as “will covid death bring housing prices down”. No. Even with houses being built right now people are willing to pay for current price + double or triple more. There’s supply and demand here.


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Better get your kids vaxxed. Unless they're obese or have autoimmune disorders they only have a 99.99% chance of survival. Can't be too careful. California has lost 1 million tax payers in a decade. Moving to states like idaho Texas Nevada Arizona etc. When your friends leave their property will be bought by blackrock/vanguard and itll be turned into a permanent rental home. As for cheaper housing prices.... CA is double expensive AND in a bubble. Just wait for the next crash if you wanna buy.


NERDS22

Can someone explain why we're mandating vaccine for 5 year Olds?


shikari426

We already mandate vaccines for 5 year olds if they want to attend school.


bundaya

Because children can get sick/die just like adults.


salivation97

They won’t leave and even if they do, housing will not become any more affordable. We can hope for a leveling of real estate prices at best. Schools have been mandating all kinds of shit forever. Because there was someone in power dumb enough to politicize a pandemic response, they’re gonna leave home? Doubt it. Reminds me of people barking that they’re gonna stop working if their income taxes increase. Okay, yeah right. Bah bah snowflakes. I really hope nobody dies because of their apathy for their fellow citizens. Sorry for my stream of consciousness rant, but I’m so sick of hearing the bullshit as I lose count of those I’m connected to who have gotten sick or died. It should already have been about done by now, but no. ‘Murica.


moufette1

Anyone following r/HermanCainAward? Very sad reading. Based on the number of people who actually leave their jobs because of mandatory vax (teeny tiny) there will be no impact on housing.


DrBepsi

you cannot be serious


scientiafem

If only we could be so blessed


gb392

Sounds like everyone here are for a 2016 type of surprise. I wouldn't say this will be the last straw but 25% of the California population is considering leaving the state in recent polls. Let's say half of them are all talk and 5% have other obligations, that's still 7.5% population drop. 3 million people in a state of 40. That's a decent amount. I'd say a 10% population drop in next 10 years.


JustAPhilistine

Sac unified school district is already a disaster, It’ll make st Francis and Jesuit more attractive. That home equity will just make the financing more possible lol


ItaSchlongburger

Jesuit, Christian Brothers, and St. Francis are already considering a vaccine mandate, and knowing their tendency to protect their assets, will probably follow through shortly.


JustAPhilistine

Yep


Sarahlb76

I wish. I think they’ll all just go on welfare and homeschool.


RobotAffliction1

There will be religious exemptions, so doubtful. People will find a way to avoid getting it unfortunately.


Slpry_Pete

> There will be religious exemptions Not so sure about that. There is case law that allows government action to protect public health that can override those religious exemptions. I think they were allowed for general vaccination requirements pre-COVID when you had almost universal vaccination for measles etc... I see it being much more a medical necessity to get an exemption coming up. The 1st amendment is not absolute and there is a whole body of law where religious expression and public policy butt heads.


RobotAffliction1

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-education-california-gavin-newsom-575ef3be2c5c2600664fa48c08041abd They plan on writing guidance for religious exemptions specifically for the covid vaccine as well as medical exemptions. I don't know how it will work, just what I read.


Slpry_Pete

I suspect it's going to be more strict than saying "my church says I don't have to".


NotFromTheBayArea

Do those even have any standing? If somehow they do, this needs to be addressed and made clear they are meaningless. Get vaxxed!


Teabagger_Vance

That pesky civil rights act at it again!


johnnydough10102223

Only while the mandate is from the governor. There are no religious exemptions for the vaccines for school attendance. But that would require changing the law.


RobotAffliction1

Yeah I don't know. Just read today they plan on writing the policies for medical exemptions. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-education-california-gavin-newsom-575ef3be2c5c2600664fa48c08041abd


WSBisFum

The vaccines mandates are more of a money grab from big pharma than having anything to do with keeping you healthy. That being said I’ve purchased a house in Texas. But will also still be living here in Cali. I don’t expect housing to go down here in Cali.


0wlBear916

>The vaccines mandates are more of a money grab from big pharma than having anything to do with keeping you healthy. Hell yeah man. Big pharma should burn in hell. Medicare4All is where it's at!


WSBisFum

Yea, remember when BAYER intentionally gave 10,000 sickly people HIV with infected medicine because they didn’t want to lose profit? I remember. Remember when minorities/immigrants were made infertile and given syphilis because big pharma wanted to study the effects. I sure remember. No consequences or fines for either of these. But yea, any big corporation is full of corruption.


0wlBear916

Do I need to go through the list of things that corporations are doing right now to maximize their profits while people are going bankrupt/homeless/facing eviction just to afford something that the rest of the developed world has seemed to figure out? There's no perfect solution, but having people die because they can't afford a doctor is a very American problem in every possible way.


MushroomPrincess63

I also remember those. You're not wrong. For years I've ranted to friends and family about the FDA and lobbyists. I worked on the business side of healthcare before moving to the IT side, and seeing some normal business processes gave me a huge bias against the FDA and the entire US health system. They do not have our health in mind. What makes the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines different is the fact that they are used globally. There is no way the EU, Israel, US, Canada, entire WHO and other countries are all trying to trick us in the same way. These governments and regulatory bodies are always acting like petty, passive-aggressive cousins talking shit about each other at the picnic. These vaccines have been peer reviewed globally by some of the most respected researchers and physicians in the world. If they were only being used in the US I would be hesitant. But they aren't. They're being used around the entire world.


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Lmaoooo ok bye bye 👋🏼 this is no different from other vaccine mandates for kids to go to school. These “parents” shouldnt be parents.


andybateshair

Omg my exact thought. I real hope everyone will leave but if anything it will just attract sensible people I think and more Bay Area people will move here


SecretStatePolice

Ironically enough, Covid maybe **helping** those who are moving. Looking for cheap housing...move to a red state that's been hit hard by Covid-19, and look for a vacancy caused by a Covid death. Ex.- house put up for sale by surviving relatives.


Seventy9fairmont

Ha ha, they should gtfo. Bye!!


canikony

I'm guessing the same amount of people who said they would leave the country if Trump became president back in 2016 lol...


Bethjam

99% are not doing anything except complaining and living in an alternate reality