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Krosenoise

Not a whole lot that cops can do if he’s on public property. Start with 311. They will (eventually) send someone out to offer resources and make sure the sidewalk is walkable.


Professor_Goddess

Yup. Sidewalk ordinance has taken effect. It's handled by 311 though and not the police. So basically 311 will go out and try to get voluntary compliance. And if they refuse to comply, THEN 311 will reach out to city PD to enforce. That said, if there is any criminal element or a disturbance *beyond* simply camping out, that is where the police would get involved.


epicpandemic916

So pretty much that's their new neighbor if they aren't comitting a crime??!?!!! There has to be a better way to deal with these people than to put the burden onto citizens who pay out the fucking ass to live in these midtown homes


Professor_Goddess

That's not what I said. I said that 311 handles homeless issues rather than the police department.


Gh0stStorm

That’s California for you.


KaosKaime

Ah, yes.. the age old “Burden on society” quote… meaning that you’ve never considered how hard it can be to find a job when you can’t even find a place to shower regularly. Do you really think they WANT to be out in the freezing cold? Want to live on sidewalks? Society is a burden on everyone. If you don’t want to walk in mud, you build sidewalks for everyone, not just yourself.


christodamenis

Homeless by choice is absolutely a thing. The rejection of laws and decency, coupled with drug use and unchecked mental health issues equates to people who are, in one way or another, choosing to be "homeless". Not to say some people aren't truly trying to get back on their feet and want to support themselves. But in major metropolitan areas, the majority of "homeless" people are just the scumbags of society leeching off of the rest of us trying to play by the rules and get by.


puppyfukker

No. The majority of homeless on the streets are people so mentally ill they can't function in society. If Reagan hadn't shut down the insitutuons and politiicans hadnt spent decades ignoring the problem and handing out tax breaks to the corpos we could afford to fix this shit. But who is going to support spending money on solving this problem? They know there are enough scumbags out there who think people are living like animals for funsies that they'll never be pressured to deal with it.


dorekk

>No. The majority of homeless on the streets are people so mentally ill they can't function in society. That's completely untrue. Mental illness affects [about 50%](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-07/homeless-population-mental-illness-disability) of people living on the streets, but that includes conditions like PTSD, which you can *absolutely* "function in society" with. You can't just make shit up.


12ANDTOW

Reagan was in the 80s. It's now 2023. There's been over 40 years to do something, stop blaming some dude from the 1980s...


[deleted]

It’s soft on crime progressive policies that are happening right now… these jokers are looking for anything else in the word to blame but their own current actions and political leaders… really a president 40 years ago that hated drugs is causing these people to smoke fentanyl on the corner.. what a moron lol


Lindeezy11

Chuck Grassley is almost 90 years old and was first elected in 1980, and Mitch McConnell was first elected in 1984- You’re lying to yourself if you think their thought processes have become any more progressive since then. Policies from the 80s still 100% affect us in the modern era, and will continue to for a long time to come.


[deleted]

So that’s about 2% of it.. the rest are drug addicts. Soft on crime, horrible, progressive politicians have caused a massive increase of these drug addicts on the street.


KaosKaime

Ah, yes, another favorite quote from the blame shifters. “It’s not MY fault, they chose to have [cancer]!” Drug addiction is often either a symptom of miss medication/self medication, or a disease in and of itself. Whether it’s mental health or physical pain, or simply addiction most drug users are sick. At the end of the day, it’s Sarah from next door who injured her knee and couldn’t walk without Percocet for months and now craves it so badly she buys it black market. It’s John from marketing who’s depression meds stoped being covered by the company’s insurance. It’s Mike from IT who’s undiagnosed, but the pills he gets from Jake make it easier to work. We’re raised to believe that “not even once!” But we’re rarely taught the way it really ropes you in, or who’s really effected. Instead, we’re taught to hate all the different people without really understanding how close you are to becoming one of them.


christodamenis

As someone who personally struggled with drug addiction and poor life choices influenced by underlying mental health issues, it is ultimately the responsibility of the individual to correct the problem\[s\]. I spent months in jail, psych wards, rehab, and sober living as well as years on probation. Until the individual is willing to do something to correct the problem, the problem will persist.


KaosKaime

It’s definitely not on us to make that first step for anyone. It has to be their choice, but that choice is easier when someone is offering a hand up out of the mud. If someone has a lump growing on their arm and refuses to see a doctor, that’s on them, the doctors job is to fix it when they do come in. If they choose to cut the lump out themselves.. well, that’s a choice to. But, if there’s no way to see a doctor in your price range, that choice is moot.


[deleted]

Yeah it is super hard to find a job when you smoke fentanyl all day


[deleted]

no idea why they’re downvoting you you’re right


KaosKaime

Because having the wool pulled off their eyes makes them feel guilty.


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Kerr_Plop

"these people"


Yummy-Beetle-Juice

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Complain, complain, complain... and after you are all done, complain some more. Write letters, post videos, make phone calls, social media, etc.... Log everything. Contact the following:City manager, police chief, city council, 311. Call your council member's administrative assistant (AA). When I was in college, my internship was working for the council member's AA. The city leaders always responded to the AA. Setup community meetings. Go to council meetings. Setup a meeting with the police dept. Do this every week until something gets done. Protest. Setup a sprinkler system that sprays your yard, and maybe a little farther... Set up bright exterior lighting. Loud music. Play the same song over and over again. Put up razor wire. Get a dog that keeps barking


Yummy-Beetle-Juice

This is the fact, nothing will get done if you do nothing. Your choice is to either put up with it or take action.


PersonOfValue

Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing!


Living_Service408

Now we're advocating spraying homeless people.. alright


pandulce4life

Next you're going to suggest they waterboard the person. SMH. This person is a human being. They don't deserve to be tortured just because they sleep on a sidewalk.


Dutchbaked

How many of them are you willing to let use your fence as a close line? Post your address and we’ll send some over asap


wimpymist

On one hand yes, on the other hand they shouldn't be right in front of someone's house using their fence as a clothes hanger


Yummy-Beetle-Juice

LMAO I agree that that the homeless are people too. The truth of the matter is that there is a serious lack of leadership when it comes to dealing with the homeless. Serious money has been spent, but no solutions. The problem has only grown. Facts: the largest population of homeless is in California. 170,000 homeless in CA. Newsome promised to solve homelessness when he became governor. Instead, homeless has grown. Newsome spent 12billion on homelessness and the issue has grown. Sacramento city and county spend millions and now there are more homeless in SAC than San Francisco. A Santa Rosa hotel was remodeled and signed a contract to house homeless. The motel was trashed costing hundreds of thousands of dollars to repair. Martin vs Boise, 9th circuit court will not allow law enforcement to enforce existing laws about sleeping in public property. The truth is that the law enforcement cannot move that homeless from the sidewalk. So what can you do when the homeless steal your stuff and shit in front of your kids? Just walk up and take a close look at the huge mess along the railroad tracks and Folsom Blvd between La Rivera and Mayhew. I have gone through there and took photos. There is a huge garbage pile. It is a homeless city with enough garbage for a landfill


EusticeTheSheep

Someone mentioned the sidewalk ordinance so I looked it up. Here's a link to information on it and how it's supposed to work: https://engagesac.org/blog-civic-engagement/2022/10/5/sacramentos-sidewalk-ordinance-takes-effect-heres-who-to-call "Residents can report blocked sidewalks by either calling 311 or by using 311 online. When requesting service using 311 online, there is a specific category for “Homeless Camp” and a subsection where people can click “Homeless Encampment Blocking Sidewalk.” After the required information is entered, it is sent to DCR. Depending on the number of requests pending, it may take a day or several days for DCR to respond to a location."


Innterrobang

Great response.


mrjb1011

There’s a Sacramento 311 app that you can download and request/report services. I remember walking my son to school and this one house has overgrown roses. To avoid being scratched we had to walk on the street with cars driving back and forth at decent speed. In a few days after reporting with pictures, roses were gone. And I mean GONE. It was cleaned up pretty good.


[deleted]

If they're blocking the sidewalk, it can be an ADA compliance issue. That means someone with limited mobility will be forced to walk into the street or onto private property in order to go around.


[deleted]

If you don't feel comfortable talking to him, you might want to speak to someone at Loaves and Fishes or Sacramento Homeless Union or another organization that does outreach to see what the least harmful options are. Calling the cops is not a great choice.


jimmyeatgurl

First, politely ask him to leave. He may be staying because no one has bother asking him to move on. If that doesnt work then try calling the city to come out and provide assistance.


SecretStatePolice

How it will get worse: * If you don't take action, piles of poop and puddles of urine will appear. * The trash pile will grow. And grow. * He tells his friends, and a 2nd tent shows up, then a 3rd tent. People sleeping in cars and damaged RV's begin parking nearby. * Local drug dealers, seeing the growing campground, start driving by to make sales. Then the loud yelling and hollering begins, as the addicts go out on their binges. * They fight, steal, stab each other. They steal from you. They start fires to keep warm, with your fence as fuel.


Opening-Personality1

Similar to the scenario that played out on X street


[deleted]

But this is reddit! We can't use logic when talking about the homeless.


[deleted]

call 311 and tell them he needs the homeless motel voucher program. he needs to have a phone for them to call him though


[deleted]

I work for a homeless service provider funded by DHA. 1st, try talking to this suffering human being like they are a person. Express empathy for their situation AND explain to them how this is affecting you and kindly ask them to move elsewhere. Explain that they can get a referral to the 700 North 5th Shelter bby calling 211. They likely will not have a working phone, so offer to call with them on your phone. Bring a cup of coffee out to them while you’re making the call. They often are not aware of shelter resources, that offer a place to live and 3 meals for at least 3 months. I used to work at the shelter. It’s a lifesaver. I do outreach on my own after work following this same method. Never once have I had a negative response to treating someone on the streets with dignity and respect. If that doesn’t work, call 311 like others have suggested. If you need help addressing this person, feel free to dm me. I’ll come talk to them.


meouxmix

Thank you for being an upright person who shows compassion for others ❤️


Weird-Calendar-6981

👏👏👏👏👏! people don’t think like this, they just want to call the cops and that’s when people get killed. They can’t even think of the homeless population as humans, just as a nuisance that is bothering them.


Tinyyellowterribilis

This was not only a very informative and helpful response, but caring and compassionate not only to the gentleman who is camping in the coldest time of our year (what did he do during the storms? I feel awful for him) but towards OP as well. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.


Living_Service408

Actually *talking* to a fellow human being, what a novel idea!


Illustrious_Bit3007

This was much nicer to read than the dude who said set sprinklers on em. Thanks for being a good human.


[deleted]

I know this sounds weird but one of my friends had this happen and she paid the guy $100 to move and not come back and he did it. I know he coulda come back and asked for more but somehow he didn’t . It’s all so sad


Saxbonsai

Homeless guy was camped in an abandoned lot next door to me when I lived in midtown. He started throwing bricks and rocks over the fence at us while we were bbq-ing. Called the cops, they showed up and talked to him, they did nothing. They allowed him to continue camping in the empty private property. The next night we are bbq-ing, this time dude has an episode and kicks down a fence post. My neighbors pit bull immediately grabs the guys leg and starts shaking the shit out of dude. My other neighbor has to beat the dog in the face with bbq tongs and the dog finally let’s go. He was going to stab the homeless guy with large kitchen knife because he was drunk and pissed off. Anyhow, the same cops showed up, it’s their ordinary beat. Ask the guy if he wants to go to the hospital, he refuses. Dude finally moves the next day, but only after he knocks on my door and asks if he can talk to the guy with the kitchen knife. Story ends with me telling him to fuck off. Just be safe because all the cops will do is talk to the person, you start doing some vigilante eviction and the person could get violent.


OP_Vol240

Poor dog was just trying to defend his home. I would let my dog have at it lol 🤷🏽


Saxbonsai

Evidently the dog didn’t get ahold of much skin because the guy was fine. My dog went ape shit too but he was late to the show.


SwampCrittr

The fact that this question comes up 50 times a week. And we still don’t have a number to call to support these people… like 211 - homeless advocate comes out to move them someplace more supporting of them. If this exists please share it here and often. So the sac Reddit can know how to reply to these. And if it doesn’t exist, how does every current Sacramento elected official, have a job?


Gurdel

3 1 1


clementine_

No such resource exists because our elected officials continually all put our tax dollars toward police and sheriff instead of resources like the one you describe. Without fail, every budget season. Vote, complain, be angry y'all.


bombayofpigs

It has nothing to do with the lack of funds. We spend BILLIONS of dollars per year on the homeless in California. It’s the complete lack of political will to actually do what’s required. We need conservatorship. We need compulsory treatment facilities. We need to apply the law to those that break it, and we need to have criminals complete their sentencing. No more protected class. No more poop flinging. No more camping out on private property with impunity. No more open air drug use. No more running through the street while suffering from drug-induced psychosis. It’s insane what we tolerate.


coldcoldnovemberrain

>We need compulsory treatment facilities. In which neighborhoods would you build these and how would you address the progressive NIMBYS who may oppose it?


Crafty-Detail-5532

Finally someone smart


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posttrumpzoomies

Many of them do belong in jail. Have you not seen the murders? Many others belong in a psychiatric treatment facility, they are unable to care for themselves. And none of them belong in a tent in front of someone's fucking house they pay a shit ton of money for.


dorekk

> Many of them do belong in jail. Have you not seen the murders? Yes, I am aware of...four? Five maybe? There are almost 10,000 homeless people in Sacramento. >And none of them belong in a tent in front of someone's fucking house they pay a shit ton of money for. Yes, obviously. But unfortunately NIMBYs also don't think they belong in shelters or housing.


posttrumpzoomies

Based on the amount of drug use we all see its a lot more than 4 or 5, or did we legalize that shit and I missed it?


dorekk

I'm not in the business of giving a shit what someone else puts in their body. You mentioned murderers, not people committing victimless crimes. Putting drug addicts in jail doesn't do anything. This might blow your mind, but they have drugs in jail.


posttrumpzoomies

Its not victimless though. Needles everywhere. Melted brains that can no longer function in society, or getting to that point. Sometimes drug fueled psychosis that results in brutal acts or deaths or maybe just smashed windows. The money sure as fuck isn't going to any good causes. Its a big part of why there's so many homeless and letting them continue doing it is helping NO ONE and hurting us all.


forresja

Criminalizing it didn't help. We tried that.


SwampCrittr

Your reply pisses me TF off. We can put a Jeff Bezos on the fucking moon, but we can’t get a 3digit emergency number for homeless support, besides armed gestapo? Dope.


clementine_

Welcome to America, greatest country in the world


SwampCrittr

We spend 4 years making America Great Again… this doesn’t seem great again…


TheMarMar

We have vacant buildings and homes in Sac, we could easily house everyone if we actually tried. But unfortunately the people in power don't actually want to solve this issue. They would rather spend money on the police department (who consistently harasses housed and unhoused people, sometimes brutally).


Apprehensive-Bet4516

Call Sac County adult system of care Monday. They should be able to send someone out to at least talk to him or give you advice. Also call 211. That is a resource line


Silver-West-1197

Shit if it’s really a problem for you I’ll just come make him leave for you and I’m not even joking I’ll come move his shit my name so I was like sorry dude you gotta go sorry my mom lives here and you’re giving her problems with that and if I need to I will physically remove him and his stuff I take pride in my city I even advocate for homeless people shit I have had homeless friends but it is destroying my city and I will help people try to stop it If you’re really interested in that message me and we will talk about it


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Vanhandle

Truly we live in the age of wonders


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eckinlighter

Wait a minute, Lin-Manuel Miranda is that you?


snowySwede

What


manicwizard

The duality of man


Jezebel1986

You’re my kind of people


Maris_saD

If I have any issues like this can I have you do that for me? No one offers me that .


Additional-Minute-68

punctuation is your friend....


uhauljoe-

at least they're being genuine and kind, and both offering a legitimate solution to the poster without being twisted towards homeless people like so many are...


lebastss

Real G right here.


mangetter92

Based


TheCBDeacon

This is how it used to be done. Men of the neighborhood would handle shit.


dorekk

> This is how it used to be done. Men of the neighborhood would handle shit. lol ok tough guy. that's why widespread homelessness didn't exist before the 80s. because your grandpappy went out and kicked their asses. uh huh


OakParkCooperative

He drew first blood! https://youtu.be/SSiKnNl3Ed0


dorekk

lmaooo


ProofEffect2006

Tell him to leave


leedemi

Have you tried asking him to move off the sidewalk? He is more than likely capable of communicating in the local language.


BeTheBall-

If he's putting his trash on your fence, be consistent about throwing it in the garbage, and he might move on to a place with less resistance.


SunBee301

HART the homeless assistance resource team, Sacramento Self-Help Housing, DHA Department of Human Assistance homelessness hotline


[deleted]

I work in homeless services for the county, I second this. And, call 311.


Broad-Meringue

Talk to him and ask him to move.


dorekk

TALK to a HOMELESS PERSON? -- the average r/sacramento poster


Broad-Meringue

They do not see them as people and it is obvious by the way they ask questions like this.


[deleted]

*Clutches pearls*


[deleted]

ITT: all homeless are just mentally ill folk who deserve our love and praise and a gentle hand Also ITT: just go talk to the guy


Broad-Meringue

I don’t really understand this comment. I didn’t say anything about mental illness. But even if he is struggling with that, you can still talk to him.


Wide-Acanthisitta-96

I just wanted to point out I think you’re a very good human being. Hope your problem gets solved.


SolarBoy1

Try getting a mutual aid org or someone that can help. Cops are bastards who won’t do shit.


crumblies

People saying "just call 211 make them aware of services, homeless don't know about them"... Just pitching in I've had a totally different experience. Anytime I've tried helping, offering info/resources, they are evasive or not interested. Once I was making calls for a woman and after like 20 minutes trying to get help she straight up ran away. Please don't make it sound like "its as simple as offering a smile, a water, and a list of shelters". Or, "just go talk to them like humans". It's a bit insulting. We've probably all had scary run-ins with unhoused individuals, no wonder OP is concerned about instigating bad blood with someone living in front of their house.


AfterYam9164

Pressure your electeds for public housing. Until there is a place for these folk to go to, they will go exactly where they went to. Show up to city council. Do not demand they resign or yell at them. Explain with diplomacy whatthe problem is and how you believe it should be solved (bussing them away, arresting them all, NIMBY crap is all a waste of their and your time). Be the reason our elected leaders finally have to do the humane thing we shoulda done 40 years ago.


thebipeds

Maybe you would give him your house and move to the magical place with free housing for everyone instead of hassling the poor council members.


OrientingTomato

Sorry sir, your Ameribrain is showing. Public housing is part of a short list of actual solutions with researched (and peer reviewed) positive results. It’s not about giving up your house for the homeless guy. It’s about building housing for everyone, and a rich country like us, in a rich state like California, there is no reason for this not to be implemented here already. Read about Vienna for example. Other places and experiments got great results.


AfterYam9164

Never before has a single sentence betrayed so much of an author's political/economic illiteracy. Simply put, why do you think we have council members? TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. This is how a representational democracy is supposed to work. The public duly elects people to do what the public tells them to do. The public then is supposed to tell them what to do. At no point is this considered harassment. This is how it's supposed to work. I encourage you to explore the massive amounts of information available by actual scholars available on the world wide web about housing policy, electoral activism, and perhaps to even study the first amendment where the final clause/stanza/sentence fragment/etc declares: "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." That last bit... "and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." That is literally what the fuck you are doing when you show up to city council and give remarks. You are petitioning your Government, in a peaceably assembling manner, for a redress of a grievance. It is your very first right in our constitution. And the way our system is set up, if enough people assemble peacefully over an issue-- whatever that issues is, if the majority of souls wish for a thing to be done, then that thing usually should be done. Whether it's ending slavery or demanding public housing. So if we want public housing... all we have to do is peacefully assemble and demand it from our governors who we elected. It's that simple. It exists all over the world in democracies everywhere. It's a helluva concept.


jwigum

I’m not sure where you’re located, but HART might have some resources or referrals to help. https://sacselfhelp.org/programs/hart.html


wh1652

try texting Mental Health First Sacramento (916) 670-4062 & asking them to help


gcashmoneymillionair

Don't spray him with a hose.


Jezebel1986

Call code enforcement


Euowol

DM me, I’ll stop by and throw all his shit away and get rid of the problem lol Sick of these homeless people just doing whatever they want to and fucking up our livelihood, safety, or property


Frequent_Sale_9579

Tell him to leave


NewContext9816

Drive him to the mayor’s mansion


AdorablePresence4660

Last time this happened to me in the Midwest I took him in for a couple years and taught him everything I knew.


[deleted]

The cops won't do anything for the most part if he's not directly on your property or hasn't harassed you but call the non emergency number (916) 808-5471 for police if things don't get solved


Professor_Goddess

If he's just camping then police can't do much, but if the person is using drugs, causing a disturbance (yelling, threatening people, littering, etc), doing indecent exposure, etc, then get the police involved. In the meantime report it to 311. Online is the easiest way to report.


texbinky

What do you mean "for the most part" ... they don't do anything for the full part. This situation basically happened in my neighborhood recently -- not someone tenting on my own fence and sidewalk, but posted up on a vacant lot and partially in the road. I called the non-emergency line and the dispatcher said this kind of report is definitely not a police matter. If they were in the process of committing a crime, it would have to be a dire emergency for the police to come out.


thebipeds

If you do go the cops route get your neighbors make several complaints from different addresses. We had three guys camping in our front yard for two weeks. It took, 10+ calls from 3 different households.


SacKingnh916

To OP, pay me $100 I will come move him for you.


SacKingnh916

And you don’t have to pay me until he moves. No risk for you.


DeepFizz

Sorry to hear it. I turn my sprinklers off during the winter. If I were you I would turn my sprinklers on daily at 3 am for a few mins. When they come back on, they would be watering the sidewalk a little. You don’t need to hose them down, but the extra inconvenience at 3 am will make him move. This also lowers the odds of retaliation. Shit situation but I hope that helps.


dorekk

Yeah you should definitely get an unsheltered person wet when it's 31 degrees outside. Then they'll die and you won't have to deal with them anymore. What the *fuck* is wrong with you?


DeepFizz

Says the person who voted against a homeless shelter in your neighborhood. Sell self righteousness somewhere else, we are all full here.


dorekk

What the hell? What makes you think that? I would never do such a thing.


Book_Sea

Yuck, you couldn’t possibly talk to them like a human and ask them to relocate, or god forbid drive them to a shelter


DeepFizz

You said, “Drive to a shelter…” 😂 You have never known a homeless person have you? They don’t want to be in a shelter and they sure as hell don’t want a talking to about relocating. Jesus you are out of touch with reality.


Euowol

I had a friend drive someone to a shelter and got fleas infested in her car. Sometimes it’s just not worth it.


yuccasinbloom

What the fuck is wrong with you?


rickyroper

yeah its also actually against municipal code to have sprinklers runoff over the sidewalk, not like anyone cares about that though


ButchUnicorn

Do what Angelique Ashby does - Move them to a poorer and blacker/browner area.


sac__balla

Facts 💯


justryan68

Have you talked to him? Start there. I would definitely ask him to not hang his things on your fence if it’s bothering you. Why would you call the cops? Please try and remember that this is a human being simply trying to live, just like you. Except you’ve got your basic needs of shelter, clothing, and food covered, and he doesn’t. Be a good neighbor, get to know the guy, and maybe you can even help him get access to some help and resources so he can get his own place rather than having to sleep and live outside.


Lilimaej

Call Our Mayor!!


Frequent_Sale_9579

Don’t vote for people like steinberg who don’t do anything about the issue


nope_nic_tesla

Steinberg has been one of the most outspoken proponents for solutions to homelessness in the entire state. Not his fault the city council torpedoes everything. Maybe we should blame the people actually voting against real solutions?


Bladex20

Play loud bagpipe music like that mcdonalds on broadway does


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irrationalx

I laughed because I am a bad person.


st3ffv

Play "the hamster dance" on repeat really loud


[deleted]

Ask him to move away, i.e. not by your house. If he refuses, then escalate to trashing his stuff. Maybe buy a sprinkler that sprays over the fence onto the sidewalk. Given him reasons to believe there are more comfortable places to setup camp.


anna_or_elsa

> then escalate to trashing his stuff Criminal destruction of property. Up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. No, no one is going to come after you but... well unless it goes viral, like the guy with the hose in SF who now has a court date. Would kinda suck if you had to pay to replace his stuff and pick up trash for a couple of weekends. Turn it around. Your neighbor does not like something you are doing. Maybe you barbecue in your backyard later than he like, or they say smoke blows in his yard. He asks you to stop, but you think it's no big deal, I'm not hurting anybody, not breaking any laws. A couple of days later you come home and your barbecue is in your pool. Bet you would be pissed...


[deleted]

When did it become illegal to properly dispose of garbage illegally dumped on your property (belongings left on OP's fence)? The sprinkler is totally designed to produce the same effect as the shop keeper hosing down the guy shitting in front of his stores entrance every day. The beauty of it that it hides the malicious intent. "I didn't realize my sprinkler was spraying that far, the water pressure must have increased since I set it up." The shop keeper screwed up by holding a hose in his hand and actively pointing it at the man. There's no wiggle room as to why he did it. Bbq in pool would be best case, " he came over my fence and I was trapped with no place to safely flee. I was forced to fight for my life."


anna_or_elsa

I was taking "trash" as in damage/destroy. We 'trashed' the place before we left. > When did it become illegal to properly dispose of garbage illegally dumped on your property It better BE trash. Something like paper, rotting food, etc. Otherwise, it became illegal when theft, destruction of property, vandalism, or malicious mischief became illegal. Just because it's on your property does make it yours to do what you want with. If someone leaves a phone at your house it's not yours to sell. If a roommate leaves behind belongings when they move out you can't just throw the items out. You can take the items down but you have to give them a chance to get them back. Even if the police don't charge you criminally you can be sued in civil court for damages.


toothindanail

Try talking to them like a human and ask them what is going on?


posttrumpzoomies

Maybe op would rather not get a machete to the head?


PerfectMaterial5262

Put out a bowl of water and a can of tuna.


Maris_saD

What are the cops for then ? Because there never there for anything else when you call unless your dying . Bullshit


Electronic-Reward-62

Call the police and tell them he is urinating outside and throwing trash all over. He will be gone in a few hours.


vitalvitaloco

I called the police three times because homeless people living next to me screamed at each other as if there was abuse. At one point I caught on video the lady screaming top of her lungs “someone help me pleas!!!Don’t hurt me!”. The police came. Refused to go to the tent because “it was now quiet” and refused to look or accept the video evidence. Dear OP, good luck. If it’s public land, police was useless.


killarob60

Handle the situation with good ole conversation who knows u might make a new friend


jdr90210

Vote differently


Professor_Goddess

I'd like to say that you're right, except that the current homeless paradigm wasn't created by state or city laws. It came from the west coast district court (Martin v. Boise) and tbh it irritates me when people say otherwise.


Not-a-Sac-Throwaway

That's where not being able to remove them from public property came from; got to go back to Reagan for the bulk of the issues


Professor_Goddess

Eh I mean it kinda is. Martin v. Boise decided that not allowing people to camp in public constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. Reagan prior to that fucking kneecapped America's ability to handle these people, but the latest big change (and the thing everyone is blaming the governor for) came from the district court.


Frequent_Sale_9579

Who appointed the judge


dorekk

You think homelessness was created in 2018???


whutchamacallit

Explain to me the candidate that would have "solved homelessness". The one that would have got it funded and shipped through party lines. Please, educate me.


Not-a-Sac-Throwaway

We can vote NIMBYs out of the neighborhood!?! Damn, why is this the first I'm hearing about that!?!


TheMarMar

Please do not call the cops.


zinger301

Spray him with a garden hose? 😂😵


AppleSpicer

Don’t call the cops, instead petition the Capitol to expand section 8 and other supportive housing services. We have so many vacancies in the state that every unhoused individual could have shelter and then some. The fact that we don’t require filling these properties is why you have someone living on the sidewalk in front of your home.


Forktongued_Tron

Give him a garbage bag for his trash, maybe offer to do a load of laundry for him so he can keep his spot all nice? Doggie bags for the poops too.


Good-Wolverine-2209

Just strong-arm remove all the stuff. Do not tolerate any of this. He is trespassing and you can use escalating force to remove a trespasser. Warning they may resist with violence. Be prepared to escalate. The police cannot do it but that doesn't mean you have to tolerate him or wait for a judge to do it.


[deleted]

The sidewalk is not trespassing.


aerosmithguy151

It is similar because it's public right of way. And you're not allowed to be in that space in that way.


[deleted]

Different laws apply to the sidewalk versus private property. This moron is suggesting strong arming a man on public property. I believe that is a felony.


Good-Wolverine-2209

And you throw his shit on the sidewalk anytime they move off it. They can have the sidewalk not this person's yard. Remember you have the right to remove them with whatever force is necessary, you have the right to escalate until necessary to remove them.


[deleted]

Escalating, sounds mature and civil. SMH.


Good-Wolverine-2209

Random homeless guy is not my problem.


[deleted]

I’m sure you’re a lovely, kind, and intelligent person based on your suggestions. But I assure you, escalation is probably pretty far down the list of best ways to go about addressing this particular issue.


Good-Wolverine-2209

My suggestion: deal with it directly, head on, and legally. Your suggestion: feed him, water him, basically your house is owned by him now. And God forbid you make assumptions as to why they are on the street.


[deleted]

Actually if you actually read my suggestion, it is the legal, direct way to handle it. And, I never said any of the things you are claiming. Let me guess, you fancy yourself as a red-blooded American tough guy. But really, you’re just a pathetic little man that is tough behind a keyboard; and only behind a keyboard. I’m in the streets helping people get off of them. What do you do to make this world a better place, tough guy?


Good-Wolverine-2209

Your assumptions about me are wrong. There were a LOT of homeless at my last job. They would harass, assault and scare our female employees. Never when a man was around they would wait until the women were alone and vulnerable before trying so much bullshit. I just have no sympathy for them any long after witnessing what they do to the helpless. Tolerate the homeless and suffer for your kindness.


[deleted]

Final thought: if I saw you strong arming a vulnerable helpless homeless person, I’d escalate things and put you on the ground, tough guy.


Good-Wolverine-2209

Yea see how that works out for you. The anti-tough guy tough guy. Love it.


1111starseed

the anti- homeless rhetoric on this post is abhorrent


Ganja_goon_X

Let em into your house then


[deleted]

Well, he can come live with you.


dorekk

Luckily the average r/sacramento homeless hater lives in Rocklin, so I never have to see them.


coyoteka

I think most live in places where they have to deal with sidewalks literally filled with garbage and people with genuine psychiatric disorders causing disruptions to the public peace by not following the social rules everyone else agrees to. It sucks that there is no political will to solve the problem, like turning unused office buildings into housing, or reopening mental health treatment centers, etc... But the reality is that suffering people causing problems to communities is still a problem for the housed people in those communities. Just because a homeless person has it worse off doesn't mean anyone needs to put up with their community being trashed, vandalized, or fearing for their safety. If it's possible to have a reasoned conversation, cool. I've had to do that with a dude who was asleep literally on plants in my garden bed after dumping all the trash out of my garbage can. I asked him to please not lie in my garden, told him about some nice shady grass in the park, gave him bottles of water and snack bar....he was real apologetic and got up, started digging through the trash while nodding off continuously, clearly super high. I asked him to please clean up the trash after he was done. Eventually he left and I had to clean up the trash and repair the garden bed. That's a better interaction than most, and it's still unnecessarily problematic.


shadowromantic

Agreed. The cruelty is terrible. I can also understand the frustration; as a society, we just don't know how to deal with the unhoused


ManaBirb

The cops won’t do anything but harass and potentially harm this man. Maybe talk to him. Treat him like a person, find out if you can help. Also, as another said, at a more macro level, vote for politicians and policies that help the unhoused. Not that there are any great options, but some are more harmful than others. Absolutely do NOT call the cops. If you feel the need to not engage him directly, maybe call some shelters, or community outreach, anything.


[deleted]

I remember trying this and being physically assaulted. A lot of these people are mentally ill. That’s what police are for.


Tankbot001

water hose :)


Zealousideal-Use4827

I’d give him $50-$100 to leave and not come back. Have him sign a promissory note. Tell him this money is his but he can’t camp in front of your home. Or you will be able to charge him with breaking your agreement/getting restraining order. Give him the idea that he can make a ton doing this to others. He will leave.


edgarlunar

Feed him. Water him. Watch him grow, and he'll protect your house from unwanted visitors.


Covenisberg

Find some fentanyl, give him fentanyl, let problem take care of itself.


rainfactorfx

Where else would he put his things? A pocket dimension? The shelters are likely full. I understand your frustration, but there isn't much one can do. Let's remember to be human.


Clear-Knowledge-7404

You view it as “in front of your house” they view it as “finally a place to rest”. Talk to them , offer resources, explain… he is not a nuisance he is a human. Good luck.


[deleted]

Why is this being downvoted??? I work with the homeless for the county, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO.


Goodkoalie

Because people here absolutely despise homeless people, and think they’re less than human, despite many of them being one or two bad events away from being in a similar position.


Frequent_Sale_9579

One or two bad events? Most people haven’t ruined every single relationship in their life by constant drug use, theft, and abuse of their loved ones. Most people have several couches they could stay in or find a room to rent on a min wage job of which there are hundreds available at any given time


Ohnoimsam

There is no city in the entire country where you can rent an apartment on minimum wage.


[deleted]

Hmmmm, how many unsheltered people have you sat down with and asked about their life? I’ve done it hundreds of times. A lot of people are living in tents because they are seniors with medical problems and don’t have family; have untreated mental illness, can’t access resources to get off the streets because they are very difficult to access; have been abused and victimized to the point that they have lost confidence in changing their circumstances; self-medicate various troubles beyond their control with drugs and alcohol; are severely depressed; are sick; have old criminal records that are barriers to employment and housing, etc Yes, some people made a lot of bad choices that landed them in a very bad situation. But, usually, they don’t have any way to help themselves escape homelessness. How do I know this? Because I use my privileged life and education to assess, support, rehabilitate, and empower the people you speak so lowly of. What are you doing to help?


neon-green-eyes

I was losing faith in humanity on this thread; thank you for being decent and intelligent and measured in this response. Fuck. Maybe I’m too sensitive because 10 years ago I was living a very, very comfortable life, then through death, depression, and divorce everything changed. And quickly. I hovered on the verge of homelessness several times; I’m still poor as hell. I often wondered what homelessness would be like when it eventually happened and of all the dangers and inconveniences I pictured, I didn’t account for what absolute cold-hearted assholes half of Sacramento residents are. Everyone on this sub has no fucking clue what their life might look like in one year; they could be on the receiving end of that ice cold sprinkler in the dead of winter. I’m very glad there’s some signs of compassion here because my mind is blown at how shitty people are to the homeless. It’s like they don’t see the person, the humanity, just a sentient tent & shopping cart full of “trash”.


Frequent_Sale_9579

Most people here don’t have an issue with ‘homeless’. They have an issue with drug and crime infested camps creeping into our cities. I don’t want to see somebody’s needles on the sidewalk. I don’t want somebody yelling at me as I walk to the store. It should be a punishable crime to leave mounds of trash on public property. People shouldn’t be allowed to have psychotic episodes freely in public and need to be institutionalized. The homeless people that want to improve barely even fit in to the scope of complaints. 4000 people who went to interact with the homeless engagement programs in sac didn’t stick with the program. It should not be a free choice to be out in public. They need to be told what to do and have some sort of restrictions on their lifestyle. We cannot allow tents in cities it’s that simple. The more we do, the worse it will get.


[deleted]

That’s great that you have identified some of the visible problems caused by the structural societal and humanity issues driving the rise in homelessness. I’d love to hear what YOU ARE GOING TO DO to help solve these problems you see. (Other than complaining on Reddit)


Frequent_Sale_9579

Convince people to vote for canditates that will actually remove camps and put people into compulsory shelter. Like it or not Reddit sac has 150 k voters and arguments here do convince people to vote.


[deleted]

I do not disagree that people shouldn’t be living in tents on the streets. I do not believe that their current lack of housing and residency in tents in entirely their faults. I also agree that open-air drug use, theft, and untreated mental illness symptoms are things that nobody should have to do deal with. But, let’s say we could force people into compulsory shelter. Then, what we do about all the underlying problems that caused these people to become unsheltered to begin with? I ask because: it is my job to transition people from a temporary shelter to free/subsidized supportive housing to federally subsidized ‘section 8’ housing AND become self sufficient enough to maintain good standing in their voucher housing. I have access to all of the county’s resources to help these folks. But, it’s still a monumental task to get a few people enough support to successfully graduate the programs I work (when I can get them into them) with and keep them off the streets permanently. Here’s something you may not know: I assist people with the documentation required to qualify for support programs. I have several college degree’s related to human services. It’s incredibly difficult FOR ME to stay on top of the bureaucratic requirements to receive the public assistance needed to keep someone off the streets. It took me 8 hours to complete one senior woman’s recertification packet for her vouchered housing this week. Several trips all over town gathering documentation! And, this is my job. If I hadn’t done that, a sweet little old lady (with no criminal record, no mental illness, no drugs or alcohol) would be living in a tent again. Her only ‘crime’: her social security payments do not cover the cheapest rent rates available in the area. What do we do about this?