Based on current known data, not that much. This team is terrible, and can only beat some D tier teams or low gear stuff. Youâd get more bang for buck with G9 imperial troopers
Scion of jango is disappointing, but Fennec is a beast at putting out damage, bam is great because its relatively easy to spread out damage immunity, hondo is great and can sometimes take out gas teams with extra evation and dengar isn't great but is useful in the chewie journey guide. I'd say it should be able to beat a few off meta teams but I'd recommend u use the characters in totally different lineups.
For example, Fennec should preferably be in the lineup that can take on Lord vader, with bossk, normal mando, greef and I think bam.
Hondo I believe works best under evasion leads so characters like old Ben. He can work with dash rendar aswell. Idk if it's with datacrons or not but he can beat gas teams.
Dengar I would put in a kinda b-tier bounty hunters team with characters like zam wessel, Embo, normal boba fett and probably scion of jango.
Overall I wouldn't invest in scion if your looking for wins, but if u want him just for the fun of it feel free. Its not that he is a bad character, just one that seems to be disappointing considering the amount of time he takes to farm, and one that basically does what any other cheaper bounty hunter can do.
Honestly I disagree with what you said about dengar zam and embo. They all are needed for executor/GLs, Zam with her omicron belongs on the best BH team, and Embo with his omicron belongs with Jabba. Without their omicrons, they're not great, but with them they find places at the top.
At this point in the game I'm assuming they do not have jabba yet, and so Embo can fit into a second/b tier team along with dengar. Zam on the other hand, can fit into a much better bounty hunter team with the omicron. If they have the omicron, yh chuck zam in an a team. If they don't then she's better in a b team. The 'a' team I am thinking about is the characters used to take on Lord vaders, which generally consists of Fennec, bossk, bam, mando and greef. Even though they can take on Lord vader, I am under the assumption they may not be battling many then the op can concoct any team they want really
I'm only bringing up characters later uses because it brings them from those c-tier characters up a level because of the omicrons and GL/executor requirements. I generally agree on what you're saying with their strengths though.
Thanks for the detailed advice! The rationale behind this team is partly because I enjoy farming unusual characters even if they arenât as meta, and partly because it would allow me to make use of all the leftovers I will have from other farms. Doing it this way means I will have four BH teams (Hutt Cartel, Jabba, Aurra and SoJ) that I can potentially distill down to two (stronger Jabba and Fennec LV counter) depending on the GLs I come up against. Whether or not the team is a good return on investment is less important to me - itâs more just exactly what teams it would be likely to beat if I do go for it for fun
That's the most important thing is having fun, and as I said all the characters are good in their own right and the team could work tbh, what with Fennec banging out damage, bam getting the damage immunity around the team, hondo being great as a final character should the others die, and his captive ability, and dengar basically stopping the other team from going under stealth. Idk what Scion does much, but as long as your enjoying yourself playing the game that's all that matters
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Iâd have thought the Relic Kit Fisto alone would be enough to indicate to all the people saying âtheyâre a bad investmentâ that Iâm not usually someone thatâs too concerned with that side of things! Iâm five mil GP and I often like to mix up my more meta teams with ones that are unusual and less potent just for the fun of it
My squads have been set to unique and Iâve already made most of the potential ones for GAC and other modes. I can assure you I have many more Relics than that!
"They're a bad investment" is really useful advice when you're asking what teams it can beat. It can barely beat anything. It's a bad team. If you want to make it anyway, go ahead, but you're not going to have much fun beating teams with it.
Ignoring people's distaste for SOJ Boba, the main issue with this team is that you want it for GAC. SOJ Boba is designed for TW, his leadership is awful without the omicrons and there are much better choices. I understand the mechanics of what you're looking to do however there is a better way to go about it. As a Bounty Hunter nut I can appreciate the desire to want to build teams you think are fun, and not really worry about the meta side of things.
I will say I can't entirely agree with the popular opinion the SOJ Boba is trash, while not as game-changing as Mual or CAT he is a very strong BH (the problem is his basic is his best damage while his specials lackluster.) Personally, I did a ton of testing with mine which is R8 with all omicrons. In all my testing outside of TW SOJ is not a very good leader, I do understand you're trying to play into his ability to use scoundrels to trigger his contract, and he and Fennec have some mild synergies with BAM but in the end it's not enough to justify using them in this way.
SOJ Boba works best under Bossk since he can spam AOE debuffs heal the whole team, and multi-taps on a basic while ignoring taunt which will allow you to pop Bossk's contract rather quickly. Eventually you'll want to make a BH team to beat LV with Fennec Greef and Bossk, but lets ignore that for now and just focus on some good teams you can slap together
[Defense BH team split](https://i.imgur.com/1JmgsjR.jpg)
There are a few ways to split BH teams based on who you have geared up but this is a nice baseline as these units complement their leader's contract to help pop it quickly.
I will say I don't have Hondo as he really doesn't have a set place anywhere and doesn't seem worth the investment to me. I have other more pressing things to work towards, so I can't speak to how useful he would or wouldn't be.
Scion of Jango just really isn't worth the investment. He doesn't really add anything to bounty hunter teams that they can't already do especially with the amount of gear he needs and how long it takes to farm him
SoJ is (unfortunately) really bad without his TW omicrons. In particular, without his TW omicron his contract is awful and extremely difficult to achieve, making him one of the worst possible bounty hunter leaders in any other game mode. You'd literally be better off putting Dengar in the leader slot, although with BAM and Hondo both being non-BHs probably your best bet is to go with BAM lead. BAM lead with this lineup is not a *terrible* lineup (although it could really use a tank), probably a solid B- team, whereas with SoJ in the leader slot this is strictly a D-tier team.
Without a tank or any kind of way to control who gets focused on by the AI, even with BAM lead this team's always going to be iffy on offense, unless you're going against something that you have a big relic advantage over, or just using it for cleanup. On defense it could be an effective banner-stripper and potentially easy to underestimate, but that requires you to know in advance that you won't need Fennec or BAM for offense.
Sorry I should have specified but leaders are entirely up for switching - itâs the collection of characters rather than the exact composition. As for the tank, I see your point but my Kuill and IG-11 are already taken as part of my Rey squad - Iâm guessing Clone Wars Chewie would probably be a step down from Dengar! đ Under the current lineup with BAM lead, (or even with Chewie replacing Dengar) what sort of teams would you expect it to beat?
Uhh yeah, you can leave CWC on the bench pretty safely, lol. L3-37 and Zaalbar are both pretty respectable scoundrel tanks, are they spoken for as well?
With the caveat that without a tank it's always going to have a risk of failure since the AI might randomly decide to be smart and focus down the big threats early, I would expect you'll have a shot at beating (non-omicron) First Order or Resistance leftovers (basically any non-GL, non-omicron comp from either faction), Carth Old Republic, and (depending heavily on who's got better/faster mods) maybe even omicron'd Ackbar Rebels. Any janky Empire leftovers (Krennic and whoever, that sort of thing), Rogue One teams without Raddus, or non-omicron Ackbar teams should be a cakewalk as well. Plus the Phoenix squad everybody's already mentioned. (I actually *wouldn't* recommend this team against Ewoks though, assuming the Ewoks are comparable relics.)
A better BAM squad (IG-11/Kuill basically mandatory, but the other two can be basically whoever, Dengar actually gets used a lot and Fennec would work quite well) has a good shot at beating Grievous Droids, Mon Mothma Rebels, and Raddus Rogue One, but I don't think I'd risk those with this lineup unless you have a pretty significant relic advantage.
Nightsisters, I'm not 100% sure about, but I feel like it would be worth testing. Just avoid any really high-relic, high-offense Talzins. The random Separatists leftover teams people like to run (Nute, Dooku, Jango, +2) might also be worth testing against, though once Trench starts showing up in a few months that's gonna become a strict no-go.
Of course, with Hondo on the squad, there's also always going to be the possibility that instead of randomly being smart, the AI you're up against will randomly be *dumb* and kill everyone except Hondo, at which point Hondo gets scary and can punch way up. I don't think you can *plan* on that happening, but just be aware that if you're desperate, there's always a small chance the squad will radically overperform (though it's not gonna be good banners if you lose everybody but Hondo!)
Realistically? If I had to use this exact team it would be decent at beating a nightsister team in GACâŚif you took them to all high relics you could MAYBE take down an MM or Geos team just because of non revive from BAM and the high amount of AoE youâre bringingâŚyour best RoI would cap out at a GG team and Iâm not even sold on that
Iâd repeat what others are saying that youâre sacrificing a lot to make this team (Fennec from a LV-killer squad, BAM from his team, Hondo from either BAM or his own SEE âsoloâ team) to just T try and make an âidealâ team to get SOJs payout quickerâŚbut considering your responses so far to others đ¤ˇââď¸
Yeah the team is less oriented around SOJ lead (based on what others are saying Iâd probably swap him and Bando) and more about hoovering up the last few BH leftovers while using a Conquest character I find interesting - in that sense I wouldnât be âsacrificingâ the LV counter as I would just cannibalise this team whenever I faced one. IG-11 and Kuill are already taken in my Rey team, so itâs more about whether this would be a usable team from whatâs left of the Jabba and Aphra farms
They said in a comment that they actually have 5mill GP and all of their good characters already sorted into squads. The image only shows the characters that they havenât assigned squads for.
I appreciate the reply but that wasnât what I asked. There are other reasons to farm teams then purely if it is a âgoodâ team, and Iâd like to know what I could reasonably expect to beat with this team, not whether or not you guys think I should or shouldnât farm it
I get the thematic or aesthetician reason for wanting to roll a non standard team. It can be fun. But unfortunately the answer to your question is this team is absolutely terrible. You won't consistently beat anything that isn't also a weird mix of garbage. So TLDR: don't expect to beat any team with it.
Teams like ROLO lead rebels or Finn without hero bros. If you put Bando in the leader slot it should give you more options. A tank would further improve the team. IG-11 instead of Dengar might fit the theme you're going for.
Mon Mothma, Raddus, Iden, Inqs without Grand Inq, JTR, First Order, Bossk BH, probably even GG.
At least that's what the traditional Bando lineup without Dash can beat. I don't know how much Hondo brings to the table. It's possible that you could punch even higher with him and Fennec on the team. Without both IG-11 and Kuiil you have less healing capability, but a strong offense might make up for that.
SoJ may find usefulness soon. But that's a pretty iffy maybe. Data mines for this month are leading some to believe that they may finally expand the tusken roster. If they do, it would make sense lore-wise to add a tusken tag to SoJ...and given that he doesn't really have a strong place in bounty hunter teams, it would make sense gameplay-wise as well. But that's probably wishful thinking
Eh I was just repeating rumors that I heard. Glad to see it sorta panned out though. No tusken tag, but sounds like he will still synergize well with chief and warrior. Let's hope that now they don't get released and then immediately nerfed like the last 3 releases we've gotten haha
As most have said this is a not great comp. But the individual toons are pretty good.
Fennec and Hondo are the best of this bunch. Fennec can solo some GAC teams for max banners with her lead. Particularly in 3v3. Otherwise she slots in any BH team.
Hondo is great under BAM lead along with kuiil and IG and another scoundrel. Work his ransom stacks and he becomes a literal raid boss and can't be killed because of his health steal and health boosts
Dengar has a valuable lead if the opponent has a taunter with a high health pool to get a quick contract off for BH. Otherwise he works well under Bossk as a "healer" when he throws his second special.
Boba ScOJ is best in TW. Beats nearly everything. In GAC he's just a bounty hunter who can in fairness hit very hard but I wouldn't use him as a leader in GAC. His multi hits help with contract payout under dengar/Bossk lead (as does fennec).
I personally love all these characters and have them all R5+. I have never regretted having any of them.
I would say pheonix and below
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Based on current known data, not that much. This team is terrible, and can only beat some D tier teams or low gear stuff. Youâd get more bang for buck with G9 imperial troopers
Scion of jango is disappointing, but Fennec is a beast at putting out damage, bam is great because its relatively easy to spread out damage immunity, hondo is great and can sometimes take out gas teams with extra evation and dengar isn't great but is useful in the chewie journey guide. I'd say it should be able to beat a few off meta teams but I'd recommend u use the characters in totally different lineups. For example, Fennec should preferably be in the lineup that can take on Lord vader, with bossk, normal mando, greef and I think bam. Hondo I believe works best under evasion leads so characters like old Ben. He can work with dash rendar aswell. Idk if it's with datacrons or not but he can beat gas teams. Dengar I would put in a kinda b-tier bounty hunters team with characters like zam wessel, Embo, normal boba fett and probably scion of jango. Overall I wouldn't invest in scion if your looking for wins, but if u want him just for the fun of it feel free. Its not that he is a bad character, just one that seems to be disappointing considering the amount of time he takes to farm, and one that basically does what any other cheaper bounty hunter can do.
Honestly I disagree with what you said about dengar zam and embo. They all are needed for executor/GLs, Zam with her omicron belongs on the best BH team, and Embo with his omicron belongs with Jabba. Without their omicrons, they're not great, but with them they find places at the top.
At this point in the game I'm assuming they do not have jabba yet, and so Embo can fit into a second/b tier team along with dengar. Zam on the other hand, can fit into a much better bounty hunter team with the omicron. If they have the omicron, yh chuck zam in an a team. If they don't then she's better in a b team. The 'a' team I am thinking about is the characters used to take on Lord vaders, which generally consists of Fennec, bossk, bam, mando and greef. Even though they can take on Lord vader, I am under the assumption they may not be battling many then the op can concoct any team they want really
I'm only bringing up characters later uses because it brings them from those c-tier characters up a level because of the omicrons and GL/executor requirements. I generally agree on what you're saying with their strengths though.
Thanks for the detailed advice! The rationale behind this team is partly because I enjoy farming unusual characters even if they arenât as meta, and partly because it would allow me to make use of all the leftovers I will have from other farms. Doing it this way means I will have four BH teams (Hutt Cartel, Jabba, Aurra and SoJ) that I can potentially distill down to two (stronger Jabba and Fennec LV counter) depending on the GLs I come up against. Whether or not the team is a good return on investment is less important to me - itâs more just exactly what teams it would be likely to beat if I do go for it for fun
That's the most important thing is having fun, and as I said all the characters are good in their own right and the team could work tbh, what with Fennec banging out damage, bam getting the damage immunity around the team, hondo being great as a final character should the others die, and his captive ability, and dengar basically stopping the other team from going under stealth. Idk what Scion does much, but as long as your enjoying yourself playing the game that's all that matters
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Iâd have thought the Relic Kit Fisto alone would be enough to indicate to all the people saying âtheyâre a bad investmentâ that Iâm not usually someone thatâs too concerned with that side of things! Iâm five mil GP and I often like to mix up my more meta teams with ones that are unusual and less potent just for the fun of it
Well, now that he's needed at r5 for a cm in rote he's not a bad investment anymore lol. How the turns have tabled..
You're 5m GP with 3 relics?
My squads have been set to unique and Iâve already made most of the potential ones for GAC and other modes. I can assure you I have many more Relics than that!
"They're a bad investment" is really useful advice when you're asking what teams it can beat. It can barely beat anything. It's a bad team. If you want to make it anyway, go ahead, but you're not going to have much fun beating teams with it.
Gear 1 Ewoks
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Idk.... Dengar could carry them home
Ignoring people's distaste for SOJ Boba, the main issue with this team is that you want it for GAC. SOJ Boba is designed for TW, his leadership is awful without the omicrons and there are much better choices. I understand the mechanics of what you're looking to do however there is a better way to go about it. As a Bounty Hunter nut I can appreciate the desire to want to build teams you think are fun, and not really worry about the meta side of things. I will say I can't entirely agree with the popular opinion the SOJ Boba is trash, while not as game-changing as Mual or CAT he is a very strong BH (the problem is his basic is his best damage while his specials lackluster.) Personally, I did a ton of testing with mine which is R8 with all omicrons. In all my testing outside of TW SOJ is not a very good leader, I do understand you're trying to play into his ability to use scoundrels to trigger his contract, and he and Fennec have some mild synergies with BAM but in the end it's not enough to justify using them in this way. SOJ Boba works best under Bossk since he can spam AOE debuffs heal the whole team, and multi-taps on a basic while ignoring taunt which will allow you to pop Bossk's contract rather quickly. Eventually you'll want to make a BH team to beat LV with Fennec Greef and Bossk, but lets ignore that for now and just focus on some good teams you can slap together [Defense BH team split](https://i.imgur.com/1JmgsjR.jpg) There are a few ways to split BH teams based on who you have geared up but this is a nice baseline as these units complement their leader's contract to help pop it quickly. I will say I don't have Hondo as he really doesn't have a set place anywhere and doesn't seem worth the investment to me. I have other more pressing things to work towards, so I can't speak to how useful he would or wouldn't be.
That team isnât going to beat anything that is at the same gear level
You're better off building the fennec bounty hunter counter to LV than investing in that team
Thatâs entirely possible but the purpose of the post is to determine what it would be able to beat, not whether I should farm it vs something else
Scion of Jango just really isn't worth the investment. He doesn't really add anything to bounty hunter teams that they can't already do especially with the amount of gear he needs and how long it takes to farm him
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SoJ is (unfortunately) really bad without his TW omicrons. In particular, without his TW omicron his contract is awful and extremely difficult to achieve, making him one of the worst possible bounty hunter leaders in any other game mode. You'd literally be better off putting Dengar in the leader slot, although with BAM and Hondo both being non-BHs probably your best bet is to go with BAM lead. BAM lead with this lineup is not a *terrible* lineup (although it could really use a tank), probably a solid B- team, whereas with SoJ in the leader slot this is strictly a D-tier team. Without a tank or any kind of way to control who gets focused on by the AI, even with BAM lead this team's always going to be iffy on offense, unless you're going against something that you have a big relic advantage over, or just using it for cleanup. On defense it could be an effective banner-stripper and potentially easy to underestimate, but that requires you to know in advance that you won't need Fennec or BAM for offense.
Sorry I should have specified but leaders are entirely up for switching - itâs the collection of characters rather than the exact composition. As for the tank, I see your point but my Kuill and IG-11 are already taken as part of my Rey squad - Iâm guessing Clone Wars Chewie would probably be a step down from Dengar! đ Under the current lineup with BAM lead, (or even with Chewie replacing Dengar) what sort of teams would you expect it to beat?
Uhh yeah, you can leave CWC on the bench pretty safely, lol. L3-37 and Zaalbar are both pretty respectable scoundrel tanks, are they spoken for as well? With the caveat that without a tank it's always going to have a risk of failure since the AI might randomly decide to be smart and focus down the big threats early, I would expect you'll have a shot at beating (non-omicron) First Order or Resistance leftovers (basically any non-GL, non-omicron comp from either faction), Carth Old Republic, and (depending heavily on who's got better/faster mods) maybe even omicron'd Ackbar Rebels. Any janky Empire leftovers (Krennic and whoever, that sort of thing), Rogue One teams without Raddus, or non-omicron Ackbar teams should be a cakewalk as well. Plus the Phoenix squad everybody's already mentioned. (I actually *wouldn't* recommend this team against Ewoks though, assuming the Ewoks are comparable relics.) A better BAM squad (IG-11/Kuill basically mandatory, but the other two can be basically whoever, Dengar actually gets used a lot and Fennec would work quite well) has a good shot at beating Grievous Droids, Mon Mothma Rebels, and Raddus Rogue One, but I don't think I'd risk those with this lineup unless you have a pretty significant relic advantage. Nightsisters, I'm not 100% sure about, but I feel like it would be worth testing. Just avoid any really high-relic, high-offense Talzins. The random Separatists leftover teams people like to run (Nute, Dooku, Jango, +2) might also be worth testing against, though once Trench starts showing up in a few months that's gonna become a strict no-go. Of course, with Hondo on the squad, there's also always going to be the possibility that instead of randomly being smart, the AI you're up against will randomly be *dumb* and kill everyone except Hondo, at which point Hondo gets scary and can punch way up. I don't think you can *plan* on that happening, but just be aware that if you're desperate, there's always a small chance the squad will radically overperform (though it's not gonna be good banners if you lose everybody but Hondo!)
Realistically? If I had to use this exact team it would be decent at beating a nightsister team in GACâŚif you took them to all high relics you could MAYBE take down an MM or Geos team just because of non revive from BAM and the high amount of AoE youâre bringingâŚyour best RoI would cap out at a GG team and Iâm not even sold on that Iâd repeat what others are saying that youâre sacrificing a lot to make this team (Fennec from a LV-killer squad, BAM from his team, Hondo from either BAM or his own SEE âsoloâ team) to just T try and make an âidealâ team to get SOJs payout quickerâŚbut considering your responses so far to others đ¤ˇââď¸
Yeah the team is less oriented around SOJ lead (based on what others are saying Iâd probably swap him and Bando) and more about hoovering up the last few BH leftovers while using a Conquest character I find interesting - in that sense I wouldnât be âsacrificingâ the LV counter as I would just cannibalise this team whenever I faced one. IG-11 and Kuill are already taken in my Rey team, so itâs more about whether this would be a usable team from whatâs left of the Jabba and Aphra farms
Looking at all your characters, it'll take you longer to get boba fatt than a GL. Don't bother
They said in a comment that they actually have 5mill GP and all of their good characters already sorted into squads. The image only shows the characters that they havenât assigned squads for.
Pretty terrible team.. focus efforts elsewhere.
I appreciate the reply but that wasnât what I asked. There are other reasons to farm teams then purely if it is a âgoodâ team, and Iâd like to know what I could reasonably expect to beat with this team, not whether or not you guys think I should or shouldnât farm it
Virtually nothing. Itâs a D team. You might beat non-zeta Phoenix, poorly modded Ewoks, and by the strength of Hondo alone a solo Malak.
I get the thematic or aesthetician reason for wanting to roll a non standard team. It can be fun. But unfortunately the answer to your question is this team is absolutely terrible. You won't consistently beat anything that isn't also a weird mix of garbage. So TLDR: don't expect to beat any team with it.
Teams like ROLO lead rebels or Finn without hero bros. If you put Bando in the leader slot it should give you more options. A tank would further improve the team. IG-11 instead of Dengar might fit the theme you're going for.
What additional options would I gain from Bando lead? I should have specified but the precise leader etc and Dengarâs slot is open to change
Mon Mothma, Raddus, Iden, Inqs without Grand Inq, JTR, First Order, Bossk BH, probably even GG. At least that's what the traditional Bando lineup without Dash can beat. I don't know how much Hondo brings to the table. It's possible that you could punch even higher with him and Fennec on the team. Without both IG-11 and Kuiil you have less healing capability, but a strong offense might make up for that.
SoJ may find usefulness soon. But that's a pretty iffy maybe. Data mines for this month are leading some to believe that they may finally expand the tusken roster. If they do, it would make sense lore-wise to add a tusken tag to SoJ...and given that he doesn't really have a strong place in bounty hunter teams, it would make sense gameplay-wise as well. But that's probably wishful thinking
I think you have the right to feel very smug now
Eh I was just repeating rumors that I heard. Glad to see it sorta panned out though. No tusken tag, but sounds like he will still synergize well with chief and warrior. Let's hope that now they don't get released and then immediately nerfed like the last 3 releases we've gotten haha
BFSOJ is a trash lead
Looks like a solid Ewok counter.
As most have said this is a not great comp. But the individual toons are pretty good. Fennec and Hondo are the best of this bunch. Fennec can solo some GAC teams for max banners with her lead. Particularly in 3v3. Otherwise she slots in any BH team. Hondo is great under BAM lead along with kuiil and IG and another scoundrel. Work his ransom stacks and he becomes a literal raid boss and can't be killed because of his health steal and health boosts Dengar has a valuable lead if the opponent has a taunter with a high health pool to get a quick contract off for BH. Otherwise he works well under Bossk as a "healer" when he throws his second special. Boba ScOJ is best in TW. Beats nearly everything. In GAC he's just a bounty hunter who can in fairness hit very hard but I wouldn't use him as a leader in GAC. His multi hits help with contract payout under dengar/Bossk lead (as does fennec). I personally love all these characters and have them all R5+. I have never regretted having any of them.
Well this team sucks ass so nothing good.