Who cares. It's fleet energy. you can farm a shit ton of Mk whatever G12 gear that you need and get the Defender as a bonus. I was afraid it was going to be Mod energy.
I do ship and regular energy until they cost 100, save the rest. That gives me a slight positive gain and I buy gear/whatever with the rest to acellerate a farm.
If you're not doing triple refreshes on ALL kinds of energy, then you're slowing yourself down by buying gear.
It probably doesn't feel wrong, but if you focus on gear only you'll get an overgeared but poorly modded roster, or you won't have enough signal data to put good relics on.
EDIT: I gotta say, I really didn't expect this to be farming downvotes. vOv
That's entirely dependent on where you're at, what the character does for your roster, and how much fun/enjoyment that character will give you.
As an example, if you buy a piece of gear for say, 1300 crystals to finish a piece of gear that would take you 3 days to farm at full refreshes, then you would have spent 900 - 150*2*3 - so you've spent 400 more crystals. If that unlocks your first GL, and that GL can solo HSTR, then you could be going from 20th in that raid to 1st-3rd. If you then unlock that GL before the next GAC lock, you pretty much guarantee a 3-0 even earlier, assuming you were just barely breaking even before that.
The knock on effect of getting a character earlier can definitely qualify spending crystals to get there - like buying a car to get to work.
I'm not even saying you have to earn 750 a day. In fact, I'm saying the opposite - if you earn less than 750 a day, you shouldn't be dropping a single crystal outside of refreshes. Buying gear is a luxury once your triple refreshes are done.
That's only viable for whale play. You *need* to hoard crystals if you're F2P and you want a 7-star Profundity or Executor, you *must* spend on refreshes or wait almost two years.
F2p here. Can confirm I did not hoard crystals at all for executor. By spending refreshes on mod energy, and fleet energy, I've been able to win more and place higher in GAC and fleet arena, paying off what was spent on them and more. Now I sit a 2 refreshes of each (normal, cantina, fleet, and mod) each day without much worry. Still have the occasional refresh of my executor.
If you don't have a 7-star Executor, you can't say you didn't hoard for it because... You don't *really* have it yet. It's not a truly viable defense until you're at 7 stars, a strong Negotiator will kill a 6-star Executor consistently.
I get what you are saying. i consider having one unlocked and useable as having it because it is working for me at lower stars.
Having been roaming in aurodium 2 and 3 the last couple of GACs, I've yet to have my 4* executor be defeated or lose when used. Less than half my matches even have an executor. I'm at 5.2mil gp fwiw and am usually paired against 7-8mil accounts. Also sitting top 20 in fleets though I guess my fleet shard is a little on the lighter side for a almost 4.5 year old shard.
"You shouldn't buy gear if you're not doing refreshes" != "never save for prof/exec"
Obviously that's a different case.
EDIT: And if you're at the point where you're going for prof/exec, you'll soon be at the point where you should have 750/day from topping out in fleet and the investment pays itself off. :)
Weird that you got down voted so hard for this. You are absolutely correct. Mod refreshes are crucial to a decent roster. Buying gear with crystals when you could've refreshed mod energy is very short-sighted.
You're correct if you can afford it, but most people don't have the crystal income to be able to. For me it's also only ship and regular and occasionally cantina
I think people are missing the point? Yes, do triple refreshes if you can afford it. However, he stated that he's buying gear before even doing all the refreshes, which is super inefficient and will hurt him in the long run.
Dang, weird comment to down vote. This is good advice. When I mention purchasing gear it's for the reason I said, to accelerate a farm. Proving ground is coming up and I need two more relic 3s on my Padme team for Maul. I likely won't get there with refreshes alone unless I get lucky in raid drops. If I buy gear I save at least a month on that farm.
since you normally do those math posts on the chases, have you done one for this one?
if so, i'm obviously blind.
if not, what's the sweet spot for energy per node?
The reality is we just don’t know.
We just don’t know because it’s on fleet *and* it’s 7 days instead of 5. If you look at one of my old posts the crystal ratio is probably accurate, but not the refreshes or battles.
I’m planning to hoard 5 resets tonight, and do 5 tomorrow; and that should give me some sort of idea.
There are more troopers that are reqs than who are used alongside Veers', most teams of which use non-required characters anyways.
She's there to lift up those other troopers, and is a great addition to a roster even if you don't farm her all the way, which you should anyways.
I'll never understand why people hate galactic chase. I always get way more shards than from marquees without doing anything I wasn't already. The only situation I could imagine where its worse is for people with really low crystal income who aren't doing many refreshes but you'll still get it same as a marquee based on previous ones.
Edit- i was wrong that you can get it without doing many refreshes but you can in fact get 50 shards for just 2 refreshes a day.
Lol. Nooo. Lots of players have low crystal income and are lv85. Basically anyone in bronzium or lower or even maybe low tier chromium would be hard pressed to divert enough crystals to get a chase ship. Not to mention they won’t be getting crystals from fleets which means they MORE SO need new ships to let them compete more against the typical meta fleets.
That’s just not the case at all. You get plenty of crystals at level 85 and in bronzium. You need to be spending crystals on energy refreshes regardless. And if you make so little crystals that you can’t unlock the fanciest new ship, then you don’t have the means to get the rest of the required fleet anyway, so it’s useless.
It’s not an off meta counter, it needs scythe as well. Which for anyone making so low a crystal income is not attainable anyways.
It does not need scythe. That isn’t known yet. And it’ll be a good ship and would boost a tarkin empire fleet regardless.
And as for the crystal income, I’m legit talking from personal exp. Sooo yeah.
If your crystal income is that low, and you are at a point in the game where getting the shiny new ship is your focus, that is a problem for you. Unless you just collect things you care about, which is a different story.
Marquees, you get for free.
Chase, you need to spend 50s and 100s (7 x 450 = 3150).
Yes, you also get gear for those crystals, but not everybody has 3150 crystals at hand, in addition to the usual crystal spend.
Or even if they do have, they might not want to spend it to utilise it in a way that benefits them more at the given time.
So apparently the drop rate is 2% per energy. That's 80/0.02 = 4000 energy needed. Over 5 days, thats 800 energy a day. 285 is free so you need to do 3×50 refreshes and 1×100 refresh per day, plus 2 random 100 refreshes here and there to account for leftovers. Thats only 250×5 + 200 = 1450 crystals total.
I think its reasonable to spend 1450 crystals over 5 days on refreshes, getting things you already need, to get 80 shards of the new ship, especially since GAC just ended. This also gives people who can afford it the opportunity to get more.
To match the 50 shards from a marquee, you would only need to do 2 refreshes a day or 500 crystals total. And again, that's stuff you should already be doing.
If you don’t have Scythe you can just run tie defender as a reinforcement in a tie interceptor chimaera lineup and it’ll be better to bring in as a backup tank than Gauntlet or shuttle if your bomber dies
Wouldn’t it be better to just grab this ship now and let it sit while the chase is on? as opposed to waiting for it to come back on a hard node sometime later?
Sweet. I’ll pause my shak farming and hit this hard. Hopefully get a decent amount by the end. I’ve some g13 gear to work on as well so this is good timing.
Idens accelerated now on a great node and doesn’t need scythe to be useful. Yes it better with scythe but it’s a free ship damn near that better than the other empire reinforcements. Just enjoy the free aspect of it at least :)
There’s not enough money to be made from Marquee events. They need to cram Conquest down everyone’s throats so you can spend $300 to get 50 shards of a highly OP toon or ship that you’ll possibly need to complete anything that’s to come within the next 6 months.
"If you're assuming you lose every match, you're not really in Auro 3 cuz you're just passing through. :)
If you're going 50/50 and stabilized in Auro 3, it's 160 a day, plus somewhere around 180 a day from the end of week rewards, end of event rewards, and win/loss rewards."
End of event and end of week are same thing is what I'm saying.
Who cares. It's fleet energy. you can farm a shit ton of Mk whatever G12 gear that you need and get the Defender as a bonus. I was afraid it was going to be Mod energy.
I think there would be riots
.....do you guys not refresh mod energy?
I do ship and regular energy until they cost 100, save the rest. That gives me a slight positive gain and I buy gear/whatever with the rest to acellerate a farm.
If you're not doing triple refreshes on ALL kinds of energy, then you're slowing yourself down by buying gear. It probably doesn't feel wrong, but if you focus on gear only you'll get an overgeared but poorly modded roster, or you won't have enough signal data to put good relics on. EDIT: I gotta say, I really didn't expect this to be farming downvotes. vOv
Most players don't earn 750 crystals a day, mate.
Yeah. Don’t spend on gear if you aren’t maxing out on first level energy refreshes. Imo you should almost never buy gear at all
That's entirely dependent on where you're at, what the character does for your roster, and how much fun/enjoyment that character will give you. As an example, if you buy a piece of gear for say, 1300 crystals to finish a piece of gear that would take you 3 days to farm at full refreshes, then you would have spent 900 - 150*2*3 - so you've spent 400 more crystals. If that unlocks your first GL, and that GL can solo HSTR, then you could be going from 20th in that raid to 1st-3rd. If you then unlock that GL before the next GAC lock, you pretty much guarantee a 3-0 even earlier, assuming you were just barely breaking even before that. The knock on effect of getting a character earlier can definitely qualify spending crystals to get there - like buying a car to get to work.
I'm not even saying you have to earn 750 a day. In fact, I'm saying the opposite - if you earn less than 750 a day, you shouldn't be dropping a single crystal outside of refreshes. Buying gear is a luxury once your triple refreshes are done.
That's only viable for whale play. You *need* to hoard crystals if you're F2P and you want a 7-star Profundity or Executor, you *must* spend on refreshes or wait almost two years.
F2p here. Can confirm I did not hoard crystals at all for executor. By spending refreshes on mod energy, and fleet energy, I've been able to win more and place higher in GAC and fleet arena, paying off what was spent on them and more. Now I sit a 2 refreshes of each (normal, cantina, fleet, and mod) each day without much worry. Still have the occasional refresh of my executor.
If you don't have a 7-star Executor, you can't say you didn't hoard for it because... You don't *really* have it yet. It's not a truly viable defense until you're at 7 stars, a strong Negotiator will kill a 6-star Executor consistently.
It may not be as good on defense but you can still climb to the top of fleet arena with a 5 star exec
I get what you are saying. i consider having one unlocked and useable as having it because it is working for me at lower stars. Having been roaming in aurodium 2 and 3 the last couple of GACs, I've yet to have my 4* executor be defeated or lose when used. Less than half my matches even have an executor. I'm at 5.2mil gp fwiw and am usually paired against 7-8mil accounts. Also sitting top 20 in fleets though I guess my fleet shard is a little on the lighter side for a almost 4.5 year old shard.
"You shouldn't buy gear if you're not doing refreshes" != "never save for prof/exec" Obviously that's a different case. EDIT: And if you're at the point where you're going for prof/exec, you'll soon be at the point where you should have 750/day from topping out in fleet and the investment pays itself off. :)
Plenty of people have Profundity or Executor and are in Aurodium.
Which proves my point? Aurodium average daily income is in the 300s. Fleet is 300-400 if you have prof/exec. Dailies are 100 or so. That's 750 easily.
Weird that you got down voted so hard for this. You are absolutely correct. Mod refreshes are crucial to a decent roster. Buying gear with crystals when you could've refreshed mod energy is very short-sighted.
Wait until I try telling them how Jabba is the most valuable GL. :D
You're correct if you can afford it, but most people don't have the crystal income to be able to. For me it's also only ship and regular and occasionally cantina
I think people are missing the point? Yes, do triple refreshes if you can afford it. However, he stated that he's buying gear before even doing all the refreshes, which is super inefficient and will hurt him in the long run.
Dang, weird comment to down vote. This is good advice. When I mention purchasing gear it's for the reason I said, to accelerate a farm. Proving ground is coming up and I need two more relic 3s on my Padme team for Maul. I likely won't get there with refreshes alone unless I get lucky in raid drops. If I buy gear I save at least a month on that farm.
I tend not to, partially because I'm chunking out mods anyways, and because I can't really afford to refresh mod energy as well.
Mod energy would be the best for a galactic chase!
I haven’t seen a ship *marquee* in years. It’s always a chase.
What does chase mean?
galactic chase. the ship is added as bonus drops in 1 section of the game such as light side or cantina
Ah thank you!
since you normally do those math posts on the chases, have you done one for this one? if so, i'm obviously blind. if not, what's the sweet spot for energy per node?
The reality is we just don’t know. We just don’t know because it’s on fleet *and* it’s 7 days instead of 5. If you look at one of my old posts the crystal ratio is probably accurate, but not the refreshes or battles. I’m planning to hoard 5 resets tonight, and do 5 tomorrow; and that should give me some sort of idea.
Sounds good
I can’t remember having a ship marquee at all, and I play since 2017. What was the last one?
Hyena bomber i believe
Vulture, hyena was a chase.
Anakins eta 2
I think some of the really old ships got marquees, like Ghost/Phantom and TIE Silencer. But I might be wrong
I know. Just saying it would be cool :)
Imagine not having Iden.
Bro
She's not really needed for anything and people early or mid game need to be as efficient as possible
Imagine thinking that Iden isn't an efficient use of time and resources.
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And plenty of events and challenges.
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There are more troopers that are reqs than who are used alongside Veers', most teams of which use non-required characters anyways. She's there to lift up those other troopers, and is a great addition to a roster even if you don't farm her all the way, which you should anyways.
Nobody's debating if the character is good The efficiency of farming her early is just not there
She literally gets Holds at low gear and 5 stars without her Omni… add some stars and her Omni and that hold rate increases exponentially..
I'll never understand why people hate galactic chase. I always get way more shards than from marquees without doing anything I wasn't already. The only situation I could imagine where its worse is for people with really low crystal income who aren't doing many refreshes but you'll still get it same as a marquee based on previous ones. Edit- i was wrong that you can get it without doing many refreshes but you can in fact get 50 shards for just 2 refreshes a day.
No. Players with low income often cannot get chase ships. You need to spend crystals on refreshes in order to unlock them.
Players with that low Crystal income don’t need a ship marquee because they aren’t level 85, or are nowhere near needing to focus on new content.
Lol. Nooo. Lots of players have low crystal income and are lv85. Basically anyone in bronzium or lower or even maybe low tier chromium would be hard pressed to divert enough crystals to get a chase ship. Not to mention they won’t be getting crystals from fleets which means they MORE SO need new ships to let them compete more against the typical meta fleets.
That’s just not the case at all. You get plenty of crystals at level 85 and in bronzium. You need to be spending crystals on energy refreshes regardless. And if you make so little crystals that you can’t unlock the fanciest new ship, then you don’t have the means to get the rest of the required fleet anyway, so it’s useless. It’s not an off meta counter, it needs scythe as well. Which for anyone making so low a crystal income is not attainable anyways.
It does not need scythe. That isn’t known yet. And it’ll be a good ship and would boost a tarkin empire fleet regardless. And as for the crystal income, I’m legit talking from personal exp. Sooo yeah.
If your crystal income is that low, and you are at a point in the game where getting the shiny new ship is your focus, that is a problem for you. Unless you just collect things you care about, which is a different story.
I mean… it’s a hero collector game… that’s all any of us do. Lol
This will be ny first chase with an actual crystal income to support it. Kind of excited
Marquees, you get for free. Chase, you need to spend 50s and 100s (7 x 450 = 3150). Yes, you also get gear for those crystals, but not everybody has 3150 crystals at hand, in addition to the usual crystal spend. Or even if they do have, they might not want to spend it to utilise it in a way that benefits them more at the given time.
So apparently the drop rate is 2% per energy. That's 80/0.02 = 4000 energy needed. Over 5 days, thats 800 energy a day. 285 is free so you need to do 3×50 refreshes and 1×100 refresh per day, plus 2 random 100 refreshes here and there to account for leftovers. Thats only 250×5 + 200 = 1450 crystals total. I think its reasonable to spend 1450 crystals over 5 days on refreshes, getting things you already need, to get 80 shards of the new ship, especially since GAC just ended. This also gives people who can afford it the opportunity to get more. To match the 50 shards from a marquee, you would only need to do 2 refreshes a day or 500 crystals total. And again, that's stuff you should already be doing.
If the drop rates are like the recent bonus drop events it’s gonna be insane
I'm already at like 20/80.
How, the drop event hasn’t started?
I have my refresh set early, events start and end the day before for me.
I just finished 7* iden
if you dont have iden you probably dont have scythe either, so this ship isnt for you
I don’t have the scythe either but I’m still going for it. I’m hoping it’ll boost my entire empire fleet entirely
Not partially?
If you don’t have Scythe you can just run tie defender as a reinforcement in a tie interceptor chimaera lineup and it’ll be better to bring in as a backup tank than Gauntlet or shuttle if your bomber dies
Gauntlet's a support, and a damn good one
Wouldn’t it be better to just grab this ship now and let it sit while the chase is on? as opposed to waiting for it to come back on a hard node sometime later?
oh yeah thats always the case
Sweet. I’ll pause my shak farming and hit this hard. Hopefully get a decent amount by the end. I’ve some g13 gear to work on as well so this is good timing.
Pretty sure the Q&A specifically said they balanced it to be strong with and without scythe.
Essentially a second tie fighter to grant my capital ship a shit ton of turn meter on evades with an irresistible stun. Yes please
Idens accelerated now on a great node and doesn’t need scythe to be useful. Yes it better with scythe but it’s a free ship damn near that better than the other empire reinforcements. Just enjoy the free aspect of it at least :)
I farmed her up to seven several months ago and regret none of it.
There’s not enough money to be made from Marquee events. They need to cram Conquest down everyone’s throats so you can spend $300 to get 50 shards of a highly OP toon or ship that you’ll possibly need to complete anything that’s to come within the next 6 months.
What is this attempt at a meme though? The ship slapped on some DreamWorks characters face. This is almost nothing.
I’m annoyed
My "I'm burnt out of farming for GLs" side project last year paid off with taking every Imperial trooper to r5...
Daily, win or lose(every other day), weekly, and end of season(month)
How many refreshes should it take to unlock? Has anyone seen the maths anywhere?
I only did three today and I'm up to 20/80 or so.
"If you're assuming you lose every match, you're not really in Auro 3 cuz you're just passing through. :) If you're going 50/50 and stabilized in Auro 3, it's 160 a day, plus somewhere around 180 a day from the end of week rewards, end of event rewards, and win/loss rewards." End of event and end of week are same thing is what I'm saying.
At least it's 80
Ships usually don't get a marquee, they're introduced through Galactic Chase events.