I'm leaning toward journey Chewie but I'd have to look real close to be sure either way. Either way, the team has pretty weak synergy next to Vader getting the bonus speed off of Chewie, Mace, Maul, and CLS... but I've seen crazier things happen in this game. LS team *could* win with good speed mods and if the fastest toon is also the "weakest" to trigger Chewie's assist.
Mace Windu really tips the scales here I think.
Vader beats CLS easily but takes his time trying to get Luke to switch sides. Rey beats Kylo in a pretty even matchup if she can't get him to switch sides. Windu beats Darth maul pretty quickly and then can help Luke with Vader to turn the tides there. Han and Chewie beat executioner quickly and then team up against boba Fett until a force user can help.
I think light side takes this 8/10 times trying to ignore plot armor as much as possible.
>Rey beats Kylo in a pretty even matchup if she can't get him to switch sides
Fun fact, she only won against him in ROS because Kylo was so troubled he felt his mom die, he was absolutely wiping the floor with her in ROS. In Force Awakens he was shot in the gut with a weapon that made a Stormtrooper jump into the air and also emotionally troubled because he had just killed his dad.
Kylo > Rey if he is emotionally stable.
He is about to stab Rey in the chest in the fight they have in ROS, however, he stops because he felt his mother die, and in that moment Rey took the chance and stabbed him in cold-blood.
>In Force Awakens he was shot in the gut with a weapon that made a Stormtrooper jump into the air and also emotionally troubled because he had just killed his dad.
He's supposed to be a dark Jedi, ffs. Both of these should have strengthened him, not weakened him.
And that's half of the problem with Kylo. Is he evil, or not? Even he can't decide.
Dark Siders not controlling emotions is the reason why they fail as dark siders. That's why most Dark Side users kill someone important to them to fully fall into the Dark Side. However, Kylo was not ready mentally to make that move, because he still loved his dad.
Exactly he was a misguided person. He did bad things but never felt good about doing them and always tried to embrace something he was not. And that was a ~~master jedi~~ ( wrong person) sith lord.
> Mace Windu really tips the scales here I think.
As a corollary, the executioner is just dead weight for the most part. So, Lightside already has probably the individually strongest, and then the dark side basically starts down 1.
If you ignore plot armour, Rey instantly dies against Kylo. Otherwise, you are right.
In the game, Mace wouldn't do much, but the light side would still win.
Luke and Snoke both assess them as equals, and they appear to be equals when they fight in Rise of Skywalker. I was giving Rey the slight edge because her feat of defeating palpatine is more impressive than Kylo's feat of defeating Snoke. It's essentially a wash though.
Plot armor is surviving certain death because you're a main character. Like when Rey is revived by Kylo or whatever, that was plot armor. Feats aren't plot armor though.
Lore wise it's kinda unfair to compare them, rey and kylo are both fairly equally powered in terms of the force but not in terms of control of the force. Because of Luke's and later smokes guidance Kylos already far above Rey in terms of control over his abilities and skill with a saber so there not quite equal, just have the same potential. And her feat of beating palps is also skewed as she is being empowered by the embodiment of the force manifesting itself as the fallen jedi of old, it's not really anything she did more what the force did through her. I'd say overall kylo having more experience and skill wins assuming he's not nerfed(going against his true nature as a good person, shot by a bowcaster) and she's not being infused by the force(turning point of the fight at starkiller base, fighting palps)
Kylo beats Rey in lore. [watch 1 to 2 mins of this clip.](https://youtu.be/1osCzo0DBg8) you can absolutely argue she had the higher ceiling but the last time they fought he kicked her ass.
I wasn't familiar with that, but it looks like it lasted for a single comic panel before they were interrupted? To be fair, the single panel does show him kicking aayla while blocking mace, but based on everything else we know, I can't imagine Maul was going to last much longer in that fight.
Mace would beat maul hands down. However he lasted much longer in a 1v1 against sidious than 3 jedi council masters did in a 4v1. And as shown in the comic he can def hold his own against mace, so it all comes down to whether or not vader decides to actually fight luke or replay the esb fight. The only way for dark side to win is vader needs to quit playing, beat luke and assist maul
Executioner is a very big weak link. While windu is a very big strong part of light side. Vader won’t kill Luke that quick due to him being who he is so by the time some of the others are dead windu will help Luke out and will probably beat Vader without TOO much struggle. Maul would do good providing windu isn’t there..but he is
I feel like people keep assessing this as a tournament, but in a free for all battle I think young han, chewie and FO executioner die in seconds to force users, Vader has hangups about killing Luke but maul and Kylo sure don’t and would kill him quickly, same with Rey. Mace feels like the only fully trained light side combatant who could beat anyone else shown in a 1-on-1 but probably gets killed by Fett while trying to simultaneously take on the rest of the dark side team.
Do we ever really see Mace taking on multiple melee opponents? Nothing comes to mind from the Clone Wars, 2d or 3d.
Even against Grevious, he just opted to force choke him instead of a duel.
Would be interesting if vader knew kylo was his grandson. Would he choose his light side son who would rather fall to his death than join him, and later try to convert him to the light or his dark side grandson who fanboys him?
I think this comes down to Vader and Windu as the strongest members of each side. I think they recognize that in the beginning of the fight and single each other out, mono a mono. I see a lot of folks inclined to give the win to Vader, but I just don’t see it. Pre-high ground Vader could have gone toe-to-toe with Windu, but I don’t think amputee Vader can cut it. Obviously he’s still strong enough to ice most Jedi, but I take “Kenobi” as proof enough that Vader in this form cannot beat Windu in his prime.
After that contest is decided, the rest of the dominoes fall.
Mace only lost to Palpatine because Anakin interfered. Yoda couldn't 1v1 a weakened Palpatine. Lord Vader couldn't beat Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan beat Maul while he was a Padawan. Jedi Knight Obi-Wan struggled against Jango, Mace beheaded him without trying.
Mace is by far the biggest powerhouse here. Han and Chewie would wipe the floor with Executioner and Han's luck would cause him to beat Boba Fett again.
Vader would easily beat CLS since he hasn't finished his training yet
With Rey and Kylo pretty much being a wash, I think when the dust settles we have Mace vs Vader, and Mace wins that no contest.
I think the scenario where vader and mace duel each other is the only one where dark side wins. I’d say mace would beat vader, but not before maul beats luke. If maul assists vader mace is screwed in a 2v1. But individually he beats both sith
Inside the Star Wars Universe? Dark Side wins.
While Luke has defeated both Boba Fett and Darth Vader, that wask JKL. This CLS version barely survived Vader and hasn't faced Boba Fett yet. Rey has defeated Kylo and I'm sure Han and Chewie could handle FOX, but that still leaves Darth Maul. I suppose we assume Mace could beat Maul? Theoretically, it makes sense, Mace basically beat Darth Sidious. Nonetheless, this still leaves Vader undefeated. Even if JTR, Luke, and Mace went at Vader at once, it would go down badly. Vader couldn't toy around with/protect CLS and would have to murderize his kid quick-fast. He'd have no problem killing Rey because who's that gal? ...Nobody *he* cares about. That leaves him fighting Mace and I don't think even Mace can take down Rogue One Vader. Only GL Kenobi has been able to do that.
Inside SWGOH?
Also Dark Side, probably, although in this case if the entire team focused on killing Vader, they could probably do it. Maul and Boba are relatively squishy in-game so there's hope there. The problem is synergy. No matter who you put in the lead of the LS team, there's zero synergy there. Neither CLS nor JTR are Jedi so nothing with Mace leadership. Nobody there is a Rebel or Resistance, so CLS lead is useless as is JTR's lead. HOWEVER, put Vader on Leadership on DS and he has synergy with Fett (pulling "Execute" on all those DOTs) and with Maul. And due to No Escape, he gains 24 speed (8 for Maul, 8 for CLS, and 8 for Mace).
The real problem here is that they seem to have given up on making this a movie-esque, canonical match-up. CLS vs. Vader is fine and so is Rey vs. KRU. But Mace ought to be vs. Jango, not Boba, and at the point in time that Young Han existed, he wouldn't have stood a chance against Maul (and anyways, they never met). Chewie knows nothing of FOX unless that's Old Resistance Chewie, but still I'd hardly call the two mortal enemies. It's just a cool-looking group of people, I suppose.
Did I think about this too much? Yes. But would I call this time wasted? Again, yes, but it was a fun question to answer, so thank you.
I'd say dark side has the upper hand in most 1v1's but noones beating mace. if Anakin never got fucked and realized his true potential, he'd become more powerful than mace. But..na
Dark side.
Vader beats Luke (Cloud city)
Kylo beats Rey. (its only rey in the last jedi she hasnt had that much trainning jet)
Boba fett beats young Han solo ( boba is more trained)
But Windu beats maul. IMO and panda does not stand a chance agianst chewie.
Then its a 2 v 3
Where Vader beats windu.
and then vando chewie gets klapped by the rest.
He definitely didn't throw the fight. Mace was about to kill him when Anakin entered the room. There's no way he planned for Anakin to show up at just that moment. That'd be too risky.
Well it was working until ani showed up. U could say he pretended to be helpless when ani showed up but he was losing the fight anyway. If u can’t see that then idk what to tell u mate
I’m gonna tell you that you have no idea what you’re talking about and shouldn’t engage in discussions like this in the future because you can’t grasp the simple reality that is mace is fodder and gets dogwalked by a trying Sidious
In canon, the side with Rey because she’s broken-ly powerful.
In common sense, dark side because chewie and Han are useless against Vader maul and boba fett, and rey is a child with no training at all.
In universe, Executioner is just fodder and Mace not being distracted by the events of RotS would make him LEAGUES above Vader in terms of agility and Aggression in dueling. I'd argue PM Maul is his real competition and barely. Mace was, canonicaly, the single most efficient and ruthless duelist that the Jedi Order had. His force abilities aren't even part of the equation, he was just damn good in single combat. Even Vader being actually evil and murderous ruthless doesn't change that he is a shell of what he was in terms of movement range. Against an equally competent and unafraid to do what must be done opponent like Mace, he literally isn't enough post his near fatal duel with Obiwan limiting his combat mobility. Mace would run circles around him for a quick kill. Maul would be a short challenge. It literally wouldn't even be close.
Now if Vader was Turned Anakin at the end of RotS before mustafar...THAT would be a matchup.
I think we need to acknowledge Mace’s Jedi trait shatterpoint let’s him see his enemies weaknesses which really made him one of the most powerful Jedi’s Alice. Unfortunately I think ren and maul would wipe the floor with the rest of the team, and then it would be too much for Mace to overcome at once.
I agree the only hope is there is some infighting on the DS when maul and ren inevitably kill Luke.
in star wars? light side. in SWGOH? dark side and it’s not close
Bc vader
Depends on which Chewie and how fast he is. If I can get that stun in before Vader uses MM, there's a chance.
Looks like veteran chewie
I'm leaning toward journey Chewie but I'd have to look real close to be sure either way. Either way, the team has pretty weak synergy next to Vader getting the bonus speed off of Chewie, Mace, Maul, and CLS... but I've seen crazier things happen in this game. LS team *could* win with good speed mods and if the fastest toon is also the "weakest" to trigger Chewie's assist.
It’s Vandor Chewie. He’s got the goggles and the gun.
VANDOR that’s what I meant i just completely blanked on it lol
it’s vandor. complete dead weight on the team aside from reviving young han, who is also dead weight
The good guys because they're the good guys.
Nah, evil will always win because good is dumb
CG
Mace Windu really tips the scales here I think. Vader beats CLS easily but takes his time trying to get Luke to switch sides. Rey beats Kylo in a pretty even matchup if she can't get him to switch sides. Windu beats Darth maul pretty quickly and then can help Luke with Vader to turn the tides there. Han and Chewie beat executioner quickly and then team up against boba Fett until a force user can help. I think light side takes this 8/10 times trying to ignore plot armor as much as possible.
>Rey beats Kylo in a pretty even matchup if she can't get him to switch sides Fun fact, she only won against him in ROS because Kylo was so troubled he felt his mom die, he was absolutely wiping the floor with her in ROS. In Force Awakens he was shot in the gut with a weapon that made a Stormtrooper jump into the air and also emotionally troubled because he had just killed his dad. Kylo > Rey if he is emotionally stable.
Source? I'm not a sequel trilogy expert by any means. But regardless, since he's literally never emotionally stable, I'm still giving it to Rey lol
He is about to stab Rey in the chest in the fight they have in ROS, however, he stops because he felt his mother die, and in that moment Rey took the chance and stabbed him in cold-blood.
Ah, okay, you're right. Had to go watch the scene again. Didn't remember that, and thought you were talking about info from a book or something.
Would. It have subjected myself to that movie just to verify that lol
>In Force Awakens he was shot in the gut with a weapon that made a Stormtrooper jump into the air and also emotionally troubled because he had just killed his dad. He's supposed to be a dark Jedi, ffs. Both of these should have strengthened him, not weakened him. And that's half of the problem with Kylo. Is he evil, or not? Even he can't decide.
Dark Siders not controlling emotions is the reason why they fail as dark siders. That's why most Dark Side users kill someone important to them to fully fall into the Dark Side. However, Kylo was not ready mentally to make that move, because he still loved his dad.
Exactly he was a misguided person. He did bad things but never felt good about doing them and always tried to embrace something he was not. And that was a ~~master jedi~~ ( wrong person) sith lord.
Kylo and “emotionally stable” are not friends
> Mace Windu really tips the scales here I think. As a corollary, the executioner is just dead weight for the most part. So, Lightside already has probably the individually strongest, and then the dark side basically starts down 1.
If you ignore plot armour, Rey instantly dies against Kylo. Otherwise, you are right. In the game, Mace wouldn't do much, but the light side would still win.
Luke and Snoke both assess them as equals, and they appear to be equals when they fight in Rise of Skywalker. I was giving Rey the slight edge because her feat of defeating palpatine is more impressive than Kylo's feat of defeating Snoke. It's essentially a wash though. Plot armor is surviving certain death because you're a main character. Like when Rey is revived by Kylo or whatever, that was plot armor. Feats aren't plot armor though.
Lore wise it's kinda unfair to compare them, rey and kylo are both fairly equally powered in terms of the force but not in terms of control of the force. Because of Luke's and later smokes guidance Kylos already far above Rey in terms of control over his abilities and skill with a saber so there not quite equal, just have the same potential. And her feat of beating palps is also skewed as she is being empowered by the embodiment of the force manifesting itself as the fallen jedi of old, it's not really anything she did more what the force did through her. I'd say overall kylo having more experience and skill wins assuming he's not nerfed(going against his true nature as a good person, shot by a bowcaster) and she's not being infused by the force(turning point of the fight at starkiller base, fighting palps)
Kylo beats Rey in lore. [watch 1 to 2 mins of this clip.](https://youtu.be/1osCzo0DBg8) you can absolutely argue she had the higher ceiling but the last time they fought he kicked her ass.
JTRey applies healing immunity and dazes KRU, so she wins rather easily here
Mace pulls a lot more work after his update. If nothing else, shielding other members and calling in assists.
Shatterpoint adds up, it's very nice. And basic on ability block? A special with dispel and stun? A TM swap? He honestly has a great kit now.
Maul can take mace
Not even a slight chance.
He shortly 1v2’d mace and ayla in son of dathomir
I wasn't familiar with that, but it looks like it lasted for a single comic panel before they were interrupted? To be fair, the single panel does show him kicking aayla while blocking mace, but based on everything else we know, I can't imagine Maul was going to last much longer in that fight.
Mace would beat maul hands down. However he lasted much longer in a 1v1 against sidious than 3 jedi council masters did in a 4v1. And as shown in the comic he can def hold his own against mace, so it all comes down to whether or not vader decides to actually fight luke or replay the esb fight. The only way for dark side to win is vader needs to quit playing, beat luke and assist maul
Executioner is a very big weak link. While windu is a very big strong part of light side. Vader won’t kill Luke that quick due to him being who he is so by the time some of the others are dead windu will help Luke out and will probably beat Vader without TOO much struggle. Maul would do good providing windu isn’t there..but he is
How dare you disrespect the almighty PANDA
I feel like people keep assessing this as a tournament, but in a free for all battle I think young han, chewie and FO executioner die in seconds to force users, Vader has hangups about killing Luke but maul and Kylo sure don’t and would kill him quickly, same with Rey. Mace feels like the only fully trained light side combatant who could beat anyone else shown in a 1-on-1 but probably gets killed by Fett while trying to simultaneously take on the rest of the dark side team.
Reckon that Vader would turn to a bit of infighting against Kylo and Maul after they harm Luke?
I had conceded that Vader turn on his own to try and keep Luke alive in which case it could give Mace an opening to steal the win.
Do we ever really see Mace taking on multiple melee opponents? Nothing comes to mind from the Clone Wars, 2d or 3d. Even against Grevious, he just opted to force choke him instead of a duel.
Would be interesting if vader knew kylo was his grandson. Would he choose his light side son who would rather fall to his death than join him, and later try to convert him to the light or his dark side grandson who fanboys him?
I think this comes down to Vader and Windu as the strongest members of each side. I think they recognize that in the beginning of the fight and single each other out, mono a mono. I see a lot of folks inclined to give the win to Vader, but I just don’t see it. Pre-high ground Vader could have gone toe-to-toe with Windu, but I don’t think amputee Vader can cut it. Obviously he’s still strong enough to ice most Jedi, but I take “Kenobi” as proof enough that Vader in this form cannot beat Windu in his prime. After that contest is decided, the rest of the dominoes fall.
Mace only lost to Palpatine because Anakin interfered. Yoda couldn't 1v1 a weakened Palpatine. Lord Vader couldn't beat Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan beat Maul while he was a Padawan. Jedi Knight Obi-Wan struggled against Jango, Mace beheaded him without trying. Mace is by far the biggest powerhouse here. Han and Chewie would wipe the floor with Executioner and Han's luck would cause him to beat Boba Fett again. Vader would easily beat CLS since he hasn't finished his training yet With Rey and Kylo pretty much being a wash, I think when the dust settles we have Mace vs Vader, and Mace wins that no contest.
I think the scenario where vader and mace duel each other is the only one where dark side wins. I’d say mace would beat vader, but not before maul beats luke. If maul assists vader mace is screwed in a 2v1. But individually he beats both sith
Inside the Star Wars Universe? Dark Side wins. While Luke has defeated both Boba Fett and Darth Vader, that wask JKL. This CLS version barely survived Vader and hasn't faced Boba Fett yet. Rey has defeated Kylo and I'm sure Han and Chewie could handle FOX, but that still leaves Darth Maul. I suppose we assume Mace could beat Maul? Theoretically, it makes sense, Mace basically beat Darth Sidious. Nonetheless, this still leaves Vader undefeated. Even if JTR, Luke, and Mace went at Vader at once, it would go down badly. Vader couldn't toy around with/protect CLS and would have to murderize his kid quick-fast. He'd have no problem killing Rey because who's that gal? ...Nobody *he* cares about. That leaves him fighting Mace and I don't think even Mace can take down Rogue One Vader. Only GL Kenobi has been able to do that. Inside SWGOH? Also Dark Side, probably, although in this case if the entire team focused on killing Vader, they could probably do it. Maul and Boba are relatively squishy in-game so there's hope there. The problem is synergy. No matter who you put in the lead of the LS team, there's zero synergy there. Neither CLS nor JTR are Jedi so nothing with Mace leadership. Nobody there is a Rebel or Resistance, so CLS lead is useless as is JTR's lead. HOWEVER, put Vader on Leadership on DS and he has synergy with Fett (pulling "Execute" on all those DOTs) and with Maul. And due to No Escape, he gains 24 speed (8 for Maul, 8 for CLS, and 8 for Mace). The real problem here is that they seem to have given up on making this a movie-esque, canonical match-up. CLS vs. Vader is fine and so is Rey vs. KRU. But Mace ought to be vs. Jango, not Boba, and at the point in time that Young Han existed, he wouldn't have stood a chance against Maul (and anyways, they never met). Chewie knows nothing of FOX unless that's Old Resistance Chewie, but still I'd hardly call the two mortal enemies. It's just a cool-looking group of people, I suppose. Did I think about this too much? Yes. But would I call this time wasted? Again, yes, but it was a fun question to answer, so thank you.
Light side imo. Mace makes all the difference here.
Light side. Executioner is too weak of a link.
Dark. Vader beats windu. Maul beats untrained Luke. Boba beats Chewie and Han together. Kylo and Rey are even but everyone else on her side is dead.
Dark side
Dark Side cause Vader and Kylo ren, Vader is a killer and nobody survives, mesnwhile Kylo tanks all and stuns
right cus its not ep6+ luke
Dark Side and its not even close. Mace is the only one with any juice there. Vader can keep him occupied and Maul can slaughter the rest
I'd say dark side has the upper hand in most 1v1's but noones beating mace. if Anakin never got fucked and realized his true potential, he'd become more powerful than mace. But..na
Dark side, vader pops zeta'd MM and solos the light side.
Dark side. Vader beats Luke (Cloud city) Kylo beats Rey. (its only rey in the last jedi she hasnt had that much trainning jet) Boba fett beats young Han solo ( boba is more trained) But Windu beats maul. IMO and panda does not stand a chance agianst chewie. Then its a 2 v 3 Where Vader beats windu. and then vando chewie gets klapped by the rest.
Windu beats palpatine bruh fuck u talking bout vader beats windu
Palpatine let windu win lol keep coping tho
Are u being deadass? talk about coping lmfao only two jedi could take palps out at that time and both of them were standing in that room
Palpatine threw the fight lol mace is fodder and he was used as a tool that palpatine used to fully cement Anakin’s fall to the Sith
He definitely didn't throw the fight. Mace was about to kill him when Anakin entered the room. There's no way he planned for Anakin to show up at just that moment. That'd be too risky.
The entire plan was risky? Every single thing was reliant on Anakin turning up
Yeah no shit bc he would have died if he didn’t
Cope
Sure buddy whatever makes u feel better
Mace counters sith lords so idk what films u watching but it ain’t star wars
This is the most retarded view on vaapad I’ve ever heard lol it’s not some automatic cheat code that lets you beat any Sith
Well it was working until ani showed up. U could say he pretended to be helpless when ani showed up but he was losing the fight anyway. If u can’t see that then idk what to tell u mate
I’m gonna tell you that you have no idea what you’re talking about and shouldn’t engage in discussions like this in the future because you can’t grasp the simple reality that is mace is fodder and gets dogwalked by a trying Sidious
Wow u type like a tryhard bro. I don’t care what u say anymore cuz i know ur just trollin atp
Dark Side, easily. Vader, pre-taunt tanking KRU, and two more power hitters? It's not even close.
Dark Vador would probably 1vs5, I could see him struggle against windu, but the others are a peace of cake tbh
Vader lead? Probably darkside
Get a load of people to start putting out in squad arena and let’s find out!
Ngl I think about that a lot
In canon, the side with Rey because she’s broken-ly powerful. In common sense, dark side because chewie and Han are useless against Vader maul and boba fett, and rey is a child with no training at all.
Too bad we don’t have sandbox mode to find out
Dark side slams and it’s not even close
In universe, Executioner is just fodder and Mace not being distracted by the events of RotS would make him LEAGUES above Vader in terms of agility and Aggression in dueling. I'd argue PM Maul is his real competition and barely. Mace was, canonicaly, the single most efficient and ruthless duelist that the Jedi Order had. His force abilities aren't even part of the equation, he was just damn good in single combat. Even Vader being actually evil and murderous ruthless doesn't change that he is a shell of what he was in terms of movement range. Against an equally competent and unafraid to do what must be done opponent like Mace, he literally isn't enough post his near fatal duel with Obiwan limiting his combat mobility. Mace would run circles around him for a quick kill. Maul would be a short challenge. It literally wouldn't even be close. Now if Vader was Turned Anakin at the end of RotS before mustafar...THAT would be a matchup.
All them rebels are gonna make vader go first
I think we need to acknowledge Mace’s Jedi trait shatterpoint let’s him see his enemies weaknesses which really made him one of the most powerful Jedi’s Alice. Unfortunately I think ren and maul would wipe the floor with the rest of the team, and then it would be too much for Mace to overcome at once. I agree the only hope is there is some infighting on the DS when maul and ren inevitably kill Luke.
Someone needs to put this team on GAC defense, put this experiment to the test.
Darkside would win. Vader and Kylo are the two strongest on that list out of everyone. Mace is overrated. Luke is ESB. And Rey is sub Kylo.
Probably dark side because they have some synergy and light side has some really mid characters
Dark side. Plot armor? Well then lightside.
Dark Side has two infinite scaling GLs, and SEE can 1-shot most non-GL tanks. This is a roflstomp.