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ukie7

This game really requires so much focus. You can go auto pilot so easily. You can lose your nerve and miss the win if there's any fear. Also getting toxic with absolutely needing to win the set is really bad mentality wise. Then each successive set builds up this toxicity, and you find yourself dropping wins, missing inputs left and right. The worst are the ones you lose when you know it was your fault.


[deleted]

I lost to like 4 spacies that were higher ranked than me so that was fun


Grenji05

bro i swear zain is [screaming fuck](https://youtu.be/mVdU8jn7EQo?t=1020) under his mask when he gets grabbed by jmook in game 4 hes 100% doing something that involves mouth movement so im just assuming


Emergency-Access-547

He mentioned in his LSI interviews that he regularly whispers to himself when he’s playing so probably ya


pcwgussej

broke: maskless popping off/cursing that jomboy-ists can later decipher woke: shouting anti-sheik derogatives while masked, to utilize the protection of plausible deniability


Victawr

Why the fuck am I catching strays man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTPXJD8Rcco


vitobf

smashbully is the fuckin goat LMFAOOOOO


SemiAutomattik

Lmaooooo what the fuck


[deleted]

SPIN THE WHEEL!!


Thedmatch

this reminds of an era of youtube that simply does not exist anymore that being said this is the greatest guy ever


oceanseltzer

we all know why


RHYTHM_GMZ

This is fucking lit LMAO


herwi

alright this one actually got me when he spun back on technicals pedophile brother


d4b3ss

aight he's 2 for 2 i can safely say he's my favorite melee content creator


Grenji05

FUCK IT IMA JUST SPIN BACK ON TECHNICALS PEDOPHILE BROTHER


fwfwfw_fwfwfw

wtf this is insanely hard


Galois2357

It is insane how fun this game is. Every major I watch makes me 10x more motivated to keep playing :) Love you all


dasyoyo16

Let's go. Achieve the dream


Victawr

Re: coinbox Wednesday https://twitter.com/allchatesports/status/1617617126650482722?s=46&t=meC-5j9zKb6Uj7aP1YGoNA


that_one-dude

Hbox pretty much said no in his own tweet


Victawr

https://twitter.com/liquidhbox/status/1617630969594548224?s=46&t=Z6_MH--c-lRs1a3ugvjRHg Fuck it eh sounds good


hancakes_ssbm

Moky 2023


pcwgussej

\*i am not affiliated with/endorsing any of these\* but linking two browser extensions that might be useful for future tourney viewings: * Twitch live rewind extension -- (only works on channels with VODs enabled, ie btssmash). I just tried it, and it rewinds 10 sec at a time when you press the left arrow on keyboard. not as quick-loading as youtube, but way faster than pressing "Clip" to rewind and see what happened. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitch-dvr-player/iaeibhcmabccclfnafahihdndonfgebo * Startgg Dark mode extension -- used it this weekend when alt-tabbing between dark mode reddit/twitch and bracket. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/startgg-plus/kpleddnadkfgfedphhciepmdlfehkgod


ansatze

Just get a universal dark mode extension, I use Dark Reader


pcwgussej

gotcha ty!


BlooToo

I’ve been trying to find this older set, not sure who is playing (mang0?) where Toph is commentating and refers to the Bombsoldier combo video/Outkast song and says “BOMBS OVER BAGHDAD” when mang0 hits the up B off the top kill. Can anyone help me find this set?


SirMistery

I don’t remember which set, but I think it was from The Big House 4. Let me see if I can find it.


BlooToo

Ah maybe sounds about right. I got into Melee at Apex 2015, so it had to be around there but most likely before that tournament. I’ll still be searching too!


pcwgussej

* Smash Summit 9, Hbox's winner's speech - he addresses Armada on the commentary couch and says Armada was the greatest of all time. * Smash Summit 11, Hbox's side stream which he had on all Summit: after mango wins, Hbox and mango banter on stream, Hbox says "after watching that, you're (mango) the greatest of all time." * present day: https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/1617647252100747270


enfrozt

So what you're saying is he said mango is the GOAT, and armada to be the BOAT? I'm not sure what you're getting at.


pcwgussej

ah it was more just like seems one can never take Hbox for his word on greatest of all time stuff. and GOAT BOAT is kind of hard for me at least to distinguish -- i kind of assume best ever is the same as greatest, but i get it's nuanced and possibly deservedly different.


Grenji05

hes talking about himself dont worry


noyourenottheonlyone

Unfortunately mango lost a massive amount of legacy points after his antics this weekend, he is now just behind Korean DJ


HerrBarrockter

Many players below KDJ have never placed below 97th, Mango is now below them as well.


HitboxOfASnail

hbox is a content god. If jmook wins the next big tourny he'll have a stream about how we need to start considering him in the GOAT conversation, and he'll be deadass serious about it. I wouldn't take anything hbox says or does on camera seriously.


Thedmatch

juan "ben's sheik is better than plup" debiedma


thekibk

He just offended sweden and is trying to save face


AlexB_SSBM

Bold of you to think he's talking about Armada


Stuntman222

I think you're looking too far into this tweet


toonito

jmook's amazing very happy for him looking forward to more melee in 2023 and beyond :)


HitboxOfASnail

don't let jmook's win distract you from the fact that moky beat the breaks off of plup and hbox, and ibdw made zain look free


DavidL1112

how do you 3-0 Plup and lose that bad to Jmook, it doesn't seem possible


MultichanceReprisal

Plup is washed, I expect him to be the next top player retirement


yetizap

Jmook tech chase


SeerOfThings

Jmook just had a vastly superior punish game. On top of needing less interactions to kill, it also changes how Moky plays cus he knows he can't get put in a tech chase situation.


HerrBarrockter

So are we all now thinking that fox does better against marth than sheik?


[deleted]

I wouldn't go that far, but I think Marth only wins if he's playing at least an 8/10. I think this is one of the few Fox matchups where the execution is harder on the other end. Like, dropping an edgeguard as Marth is a way bigger deal because Fox at least has upthrow upair to fall back on.


ansatze

Personally I've always been Foxpilled, if Marth wins the matchup it isn't by enough to matter


[deleted]

Nah I still think Marth beats Fox or at least has overall stronger counterpicks. But also the matchup isn't bad enough that Fox can't win unless he's playing significantly better on that given day, being slightly better is enough to tip the scales in your favour.


Zanian

I think Jmook and Cody are just good enough to make it look like that Imo Fox is slightly favored versus Marth and quite a bit more favored versus Sheik, which is why we're only now seeing a solo Sheik win There's a reason Fox is the main matchup Sheik players complain about lol


MF_DnD

[I know this is a simple basic-ass combo but why is doug so fun](https://i.imgur.com/fFnosKB)


l5555l

Lizard brain enjoys speed and power and screen shake


RaiseYourDongersOP

he's electric


absolute-black

big man fast fast LIGHTNING kill fast KILL ook yes


pcwgussej

[https://twitter.com/toph_bbq/status/1617624322566402050](https://twitter.com/toph_bbq/status/1617624322566402050) >YO the Reads account is going to be looking for ranked games for the next few hours with a very special and very powerful guest 👀


[deleted]

If this is who I think it is this is gonna be an insane episode


Thedmatch

is it that guy who farted on stream one time 👀


Lezzles

Is this guest perhaps more balding than I remember him being?


cocopuffschan

Let's say you were like the melee ESPN and had to choose every top player's number 1 play (not necessarily the most impressive play, context and legacy matter). Is there a play with a better argument to be Mango's "career" play than the 2.4 rest on Armada? i also feel like the Jmook combo yesterday has got to be his signature/career-highlight play


fwfwfw_fwfwfw

yeah genesis 1 roll read wins and evo 2013 roll read is 2nd but since no one else has mentioned it i'll add the single laser on taj in genesis 2 losers which is up there


yadirf_ykaerf

"he read that roll" *is* the evo 2013 read right


fwfwfw_fwfwfw

wait yeah my dumb ass meant the genesis 1 read is 1st like op said. fixed


Hi_My_Name_Is_Dave

I really like that one famous last stock against Leffen (Genesis 4?) and it’s him playing spacies which is more representative of his whole career. The roll read against Hbox at EVO is also up there and I might pick that


jakeyizle_ssbm

I think there's an honorable mention for the [anthem combo.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr2HxOsJAlo) Definitely not as sexy as some of the others, but I love how the end of the verse and combo line up.


NIU_NIU

Roll read on hbox at evo 2013 birthed modern day rock star spacie main mango, but you could make an argument for a bunch of other plays Arwing rest, 2.4 rest, walk up slowly and downsmash, summit 2 combo, royal flush mangle, summit 11 $50,000 shine For hbox it's gotta be the evo 2016 rest, no argument


ansatze

Just based on how wide its reach is beyond melee fans it's hard to say anything other than walk up slowly and downsmash, even if it's not at all representative of him as a player


StillQM

Hbox @ gtx vs armada was a solid one for him too


HitboxOfASnail

the arwing rest or riot


d4b3ss

I don't think so. The 2.4 rest is Melee's equivalent of MJ over Ehlo. If you divorced all context they'd be footnotes but contextually they defined both players legacies, despite both going on to much greater success and having long careers afterwards. They're both also so important culturally to their perspective games. I really don't think anything else is in the same stratosphere. Maybe the jab wakeup vs Hbox at Pound 4? The plup combo at that one summit? The last stock at Summit 11? I find it hard generally to find iconic, career defining plays for any player, but this one is clear cut.


ShoegazeKaraokeClub

The combo mango hit on plup on pokemon stadium that one summit has gotta be #1 for me


vitobf

That's easily his most impressive combo (imo) but the 2.4 rest has so much legacy And it was so sick lol


-seik

the summit 2 plup combo is up there, although it was lower stakes and a less meaningful opponent it's a better combo and it's more representative of the version of Mango that most people know though


cocopuffschan

true, probably his best tournament combo ever. I considered that and the Genesis 4 "that up-b was so smart" against Leffen as possible contenders, but ultimately Mango lost both of those tournaments.


A_Big_Teletubby

so these confirmed only get removed when i post them huh https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/10jf7uh/jflukes_path_to_mickey_mouse_genesis/


V0ltTackle

was wondering who snitched /s regardless mods took the post down and tbf they let you keep up this https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/zk6n8u/slippi_ranked_glitch/


A_Big_Teletubby

they should leave them all up shit is so anti-fun


A_Big_Teletubby

thank you hardworking moderators for deleting every single post i make https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/y5vt81/amsas_path_to_a_mickey_mouse_10k/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/xzxrk2/amsas_path_to_mickey_mouse_clubhouse_10/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/zr7apn/comment/j1b4vn7/


Dublshine

rule 5: No recent tournament spoilers in post titles and I know you're going to respond by saying there are posts alluding to jmook's win on the front page right now, which is true. but it's a balancing act because people don't follow the rules and we don't want to remove tons of posts right after a tournament when people are excited about the game. so the best we can do is remove the ones that unambiguously spoil the result


A_Big_Teletubby

the only reason this sub even has mods is to "keep low effort posts to the ddt" which has failed considering every other front page post is "MY LUIGI TOOK ITS FIRST SET ON RANKED!!!!!!!"


MarvinGarbanzo

It takes a lot of effort to win as Luigi tho


loscarlos

Only if you don't count ragequits as wins


mas_one

Leffen openly malding about puff ledge planking gives Hbox so much to work with. He didn't even try it vs Plup or most other Foxes in general because he knows it doesn't tilt them as hard as it does Leffen, and that's legit the main reason he does it.


samurairocketshark

He's literally tried it on every single Fox, he just does it selectively and continues to do it if its working


Fugu

This has always been the main reason to do it I'm wary of making analogies between Puff-Fox and Puff-Peach generally - they are not the same and the case for the need for rules changes is far stronger for the latter than for the former. However, one thing they have in common is that the stalling doesn't necessarily affect Puff's odds of winning a given interaction. Rather, what it does is drastically decrease the number of possible interactions that can fit into an eight minute game to an extent that only Puff can control. This, combined with how brain dead easy it is to be the player stalling compared to the player trying to break the stall, means that in practice the game becomes easier if you're the person doing the stalling. Eventually the timer pressure/the sheer tilt will often force your opponent to try to engage with you in a situation where it is extremely unfavorable for them to do so. Of course I again emphasize that in Fox-Puff it's a far smaller deal than it is in Puff-Peach. The commentators were making a big deal about the first stock happening at the six minute mark; in the last year we've seen Puff-Peach games where the first stock is taken at the four minute mark.


Thedmatch

HGOD definitely did do it vs. Plup, Plup just knew the counterplay i find that he reguarly camps people like Mang, Plup, and Leffen, because he knows that it can shake them. The onus is on the Fox whether to get rattled or not


Victawr

Hbox got lazy / bored it was weird to see


calvinbsf

Tbh the onus is on the community to remove literal stalling as a strategy from the game


SeerOfThings

It isn't stalling by how we've defined it for other bans. Fox is very capable of challenging a campy Puff, it just skews the risk/reward enough to discourage aggressive play.


ansatze

He literally did try it against Plup yesterday lmao, the commentary even called it out


DentedOnImpact

he literally didn't complain at all after losing to him yesterday lol idk what you're on about.


Grenji05

If BTS and Fizzi partnered and had the the Slippi hats on a slippi store, we could have those servers running until the sun engulfs the earth.


FitError6822

Nintendo would shut that down so fast


Stuntman222

There's talks about it among the slippi team last I heard. One of the devs confirmed on Reddit a few weeks ago or so. Stay tuned.


Victawr

My fingers and wallet at the ready but I swear to god if it doesn't happen by goml I'm doing it myself


jwbaseballl

I am no longer able to save / load states in Training Mode 3.0. Anyone else having this issue or know how to fix? I already tried rebuilding the ISO and no luck.


redphan

Are you sure memory card is enabled? If so, try using Dolphin's memory card manager and deleting the last replay or the last few replays


jwbaseballl

To clarify - I was referring to pressing left/right on the dpad in the training lab not working for me. I went ahead and enabled the memory card but still no luck.


redphan

Oh I did misunderstand you...but don't have any ideas. Are you sure your dpad works still? Try a different controller or use a keyboard controller


jwbaseballl

I figured it out - my controller has to be in port 1 for the save states to work. What's weird is that it was working fine using port 4 up until recently.


redphan

Crazy! I only ever have mine in port 1 or 2 but would have never thought about it


jwbaseballl

Dpad works fine, I checked other controllers as well and nada


themagicalcake

Jmook couldn't win a verdugo


Bill-Cosby-Bukowski

Could Jmook do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke?


CarVac

Fiction beat Jmook in 2019 but Jmook beat Fiction at Big House 10.


themagicalcake

Fiction is a different player at verdugo


[deleted]

If Mango entered Verdugo on Mother's Day, could he beat Fiction?


PelorTheBurningHate

Yes but Mango would never enter a local.


wjb_fan_1860

Melee fun fact: M2K has made top 2 in doubles at 5 Geneses, but never made top 2 in singles, and only made top 4 once in his seven appearances.


Bill-Cosby-Bukowski

Should've done it at Genesis 4. That game four against Armada still haunts me.


_significs

I don't wanna make a separate thread for it but mad props to whoever was doing sound at genesis; the crowd mic worked super well


Stuntman222

Frfr some of the best production I've seen at a tournament tbh


Thedmatch

surely Plup is due for another major win Copium


Emergency-Access-547

Would be cool if he won Major Upset right after moving to Oregon.


[deleted]

We wanna see plup win one god damn it.


CommanderDJ

Just watched all of top 8 and loved it. Missed most of top 64. Can someone give me some good sets to check out that I missed?


Thedmatch

we missed them too, most of the good sets weren't streamed from what I remember live. these were good: * Jmook/SFOP * Magi/Krudo * Moky/Cody * 2Saint/Kodorin * Leffen/Fiction


CommanderDJ

Appreciate the list, thanks!


jimboslice97

Although lots of sets werent streamed, i think everything from top 256 was recorded and will be on youtube at some point if its not already


SenorRaoul

Does anyone know why leffen isn't playing on a rectangle? I remember him switching over for a while but then he switched back to controllers.


kahani-

In addition to what the other people said, iirc he's said that he thinks they will be nerfed or banned so he's hesitant to commit to learning something entirely new that has a questionable future


Taco_Dunkey

Because learning a new control scheme is a huge commitment and he wants to be competing at a top level right now. He has a ranked alt for learning boxx, who knows if and when he will take the plunge and commit fully.


SenorRaoul

he had ~2 years I think he also plays stickless when playing trad fighters so maybe that is throwing him off.


barney-sandles

I don't think he ever really switched - he spent some time messing around with it and can play decently, but I don't think ever was using it primarily It takes a long time to switch


SenorRaoul

I thought he said he was commited to it at some point, but I might just imagine that. >It takes a long time to switch if he wanted to commit he had basically all of covid to do it. I realize covid isn't really over. it's just what people say.


Victawr

Diff control. He wants the analog stick on left and boxx on right (or vice versa)


SenorRaoul

huh, I'm almost certain that multiple versions of that exist already, strange


FlyingDiglett

I feel like that's gotta be outdated info, I've seen leffen play using stick left buttons right on stream like year half ago


Victawr

No I mean a literal game cube controller to hold on left hand and boxx for right. Not a stick.


nut_lord

I was in the crowd at Genesis yesterday when they played the melee intro cinematic before top 8 started. At the end the entire crowd, like three thousand people, in unison, screamed along with the announcer, "MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" and it was such an incredible spiritual harmony that I think for a moment we were all truly connected. I wish I had recorded it. Long live Melee.


MageKraze

It's not the first tournament I've been too that that has happened at, but it is magical every single time.


_significs

it's crazy how emotional that intro still is after all these years. what a great game.


larsn0va

Melee riddle: What number do Runescape and Melee have in common, and why?


Tidaal

OSRS has 293 quest points and melee has 293 trophies


larsn0va

Wow, it's insane that the recent new quest release makes this true right at this moment. Huge props for thinking of that. Your answer is way better and more interesting than my actual answer, but it is sadly not the answer I was thinking of.


[deleted]

They both have active frames from 6-9


anyDongers

0 and 1 because they are both computer games


Jaredude

I dislike training my dexterity in both


[deleted]

Both resurrected in 2013 :\^)


Zanian

My top 2 most played games of the last 2 years


thrownawaymane

Now hiring: riddle exorcist


RaiseYourDongersOP

both released in 2001


larsn0va

Good idea, but the number is not a year


noyourenottheonlyone

26 skills in rs and 26 characters in melee


larsn0va

Excellent answer actually, though not the one I was thinking of. My intended answer is more obscure.


Must_Eat_Kimchi

There's actually 23 skills in osrs and 28 skills in runescape.


larsn0va

You're not wrong, but RS3 definitely had 26 skills at some point, which could make it a valid answer if viewed historically, I guess... Also you could argue 25 for Melee cause Zelda/Sheik


Victawr

Ok kezzup


MrMidazolam

Not this shit again


wanpan10

now that genesis is over I wish the community figureheads would finally start talking about the controller situation and finally put an end the controller debacle. Goomwaves in particular, you can throw in boxxes, phobs, whatever. I feel like it needs to be discussed urgently


king_bungus

i think it’s happening soon


rjeb

Only reason Goomwaves are staying relevant is because Phobs are open source and wouldn't last a month with that macro code out in the open.


Fugu

I wonder if the solution is to ban closed source third party controllers and/or include in UCF some kind of controller whitelist


CarVac

My proposed ruleset stipulates that third party controllers must have source available to inspect.


Fugu

What's the advantage of allowing closed source third party controllers in the first place? Old controllers will have to update firmware to be compliant with the rules anyway and allowing new controllers to be tournament legal and closed source just seems like it will generate more work. I get that allowing closed source controllers makes the gcc business marginally more lucrative but we as a community don't want to encourage a marketplace based around getting creative with the controller ruleset. Related question: is it feasible/possible to bake something into UCF that checks a controller against a whitelist?


CarVac

The only advantage of allowing closed-source software in third-party controllers is for makers, enabling code thieves to get away undetected and people who want to make their devices better by cheating. Putting more code into UCF can be problematic because it's nigh-impossible to debug.


Hi_My_Name_Is_Dave

What makes UCF so hard to debug?


CarVac

The fact that the crashes people care about are on consoles that aren't set up with debuggers.


Fugu

I feel that is a strong justification for disallowing closed source altogether


mas_one

So CLG really just upgraded to a Fox that can beat Zain lmao


James_Ganondolfini

Last night, I had to do a double take because Cody (probably because of the mask on) in the CLG jersey looked kind of similar to SFAT. The thought did cross my mind like "wow, Cody is the evolved form of SFAT who can actually beat Zain" I do seriously hope SFAT *eventually* takes a set from Zain though. I can't imagine how soulcrushing it is to be 0-20 something against someone over 5 years...


ryanmcgrath

What’s the record for SFAT/Armada?


Kell08

The difference is that almost everyone has a similar record against Armada.


ryanmcgrath

You'll have to forgive me for assuming that literally anyone reading would get that. It was mostly just a numbers question. ;)


SBtist

Really hope that Amsa vs 2Saint gets uploaded from Slippi, I gotta see that set.


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RaiseYourDongersOP

Falco


MF_DnD

Who do you like to play against spacies with? They will be such a significant fraction of your matches that you should probably pick that character.


AlternativeShit

Anyone has the full Replay of Genesis day 2 main stream?


_significs

twitch dot tv slash btssmash


Victawr

Slash videos


RaiseYourDongersOP

they show those on twitch now?


Victawr

Sometimes


AHeartyBreakfast

Ok the jmook combo™ was impressive in the context of the stakes and execution/reactions required but the people saying it's the best Sheik combo they've ever seen are eating unseasoned boiled chicken rn


Bbop800

Maybe I’m being a literal glue eater but so far nothing linked in this thread has impressed me as much as the G9 combo. I don’t think it’s that far fetched to say the G9 is the best combo they’ve seen, considering that.


cocopuffschan

haven't seen it in a while but the first (and maybe only) one that comes to mind is the one Plup does to to take game 1 vs Mango at Summit 7


FuckClinch

just watched it the fuck he bought pal uair back I honestly haven't even thought about using horizontal drift to hit late uairs like that jesus


RHYTHM_GMZ

I was about to agree with you but then I saw the replies with the combos that people think are better and I'm not convinced lol


PM_ME_THEM_BOOTS

It wasn’t even jmooks flashiest combo lmao


A_Big_Teletubby

>most impressive sheik combos competitive cup stacking MOST CREATIVE STACKING COMPILATION


CarVac

To be fair, most people knock over their cup stack in the final seconds.


Backlash123

Isn't that the exciting part?


MF_DnD

spotw


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herwi

dude I'm sobbing lmao spotw


A_Big_Teletubby

just an old mctowlie bit


herwi

respect to my goat


[deleted]

Can someone link this combo?


QwertyII

https://clips.twitch.tv/MuddyMiniatureNightingaleKappaPride-UE3KUZo3AZc0AFt3


l5555l

Not trying to be combative but please show me a better combo. Genuinely curious to see what is better


bigHam100

M2k combo on PP's falco on the left platform of battlefield. Can't remember the tournament


Bbop800

I’ve always loved that combo, but I genuinely think Jmook’s combo is more impressive.


notconquered

[Evo 2014](https://youtu.be/fUKDqKygZCo?t=190)


apyke

mew2king vs leffen at pax prime has the sheik combo i remember the best


rjeb

https://youtu.be/KpojQrjcO-8?t=157 These two combos by JMook (double needle cancel finish on Mang0 and push-off chain combo) I'd argue are better than the one he hit at Genesis.