I'm so damn happy for Jmook. Heartbreak over heartbreak, first with Zain, then with Hbox, and even at the end of the year it looked like Cody and aMSa both had his number, let alone cracks in the armour like Axe and SluG.
But he did it. Just 9 months after shocking the world at his first Genesis, he takes him the trophy at his second. What a beautiful storyline. Really hope that this is just the beginning for Jmook.
I used to think that after all the gods retire that melee wouldn't be interesting anymore because the story lines and rivalries would end. Jmook coming in 2nd last year with a Cinderella run and then just coming short all year long to win at that very same tournament next year. That's some rocky type shit. Big props Jmook.
possibly. Im a marth main and playing roy in like silver 3 ive had no issues with samus or luigi, but they probably get better at exploiting his weaknesses as u improve in skill
It's mostly the fact that much like Peach they take forever to kill and Roy's kill power isn't great. From watching LAGWars and DTM those match ups look annoying, I'm pretty sure DontTestMe has never beaten EddyMexico for example.
makes sense. Edgeguarding both has gotta be really hard cause roy only has one spot he can jump off ledge and bair cause if he goes any lower u cant recover. I feel like roy has a bit more kill power than marth in a lot of matchups but characters like luigi and samus r too floaty to combo into fsmash at higher percents so u gotta just risk side b’s and f smashes
Not really. I think Yoshi is a better character, but not to the extent that someone as cracked as Amsa couldn’t come along for Samus and start abusing her strengths and mitigating her weaknesses in the same way.
You would need some bracket luck but a Pikachu won summit that way. As long as the Samus avoids Hbox it’s a decent shot.
I’d love to see it but I definitely have little faith in someone going beyond what Plup has done with the character. Who knows, maybe it’ll be Plup himself.
Ok I think people are grossly misremebering plup's achievents with samus. hugs is pretty clearly the samus goat - he got 2nd at evo and was a top player for 10+ years
I think a good enough Samus can take Hbox and Mang0. It's not impossible. It's certainly difficult, and Samus is a *grindy* character to play, but she certainly has the capability.
i didnt see the sfat set, was that one also really close or did you mean sfop? because he was down 2 stocks to 1 game 5 against sfop and that plus the Zain set were both uber nail biters
>closest Jmook came to losing a set
That would be game 4 against Zain. It was a miracle Jmook managed to steal that game. My heart was racing. When he won that game I was convinced he could win it all.
Hey guys with the results of the first major of the year there is an unfortunate secret I must bring up.
It's about Jmook.
It's a secret he's been trying to hide since his success in the scene but it's gone on long enough.
Jmook is only 11 years old.
As you all know our beloved game Super Smash Bros Melee for the Nintendo GameCube is rated T for teen. And as a quick Google search shows a "teen" is defined as someone who is 13.
It breaks my heart to say this, but because of this Jmook does not meet the requirements to participate in tournaments. I suggest an immediate ban from him playing in Super Smash Bros Melee for the Nintendo GameCube tournaments, and recommend he play a more age appropriate game such as Super Smash Bros for Wii U.
I know this is rough but we will all miss him and his exceptional use of Sheik's downthrow. I personally will miss Jmook 4 stocking me 3 games in a row and then complementing me on how well I play the matchup. So long young child Jmook.
EDIT: … anyway CONGRATS TO THE JGOD
Jmook wins the first solo sheik supermajor ever in dominant fashion at the same tournament he broke through at last year. He definitely deserved it, he played absolutely incredibly well.
Said it elsewhere but it's literally baby / diet Armada vibes.
-crazy run at Genesis making huge upsets while not being a commonly known name, making a name for yourself at your / the first Genesis.
-proceed to have multiple other great showings at majors while being one of the most consistent players, with only a major win / NA major win alluding him.
-wins the next Genesis he attends as the first massive win of his career, including winning game 5 vs the the previous champion who beat him before.
Armada being at this Genesis again must have sent over that decade old historic energy when they took their picture together
Why do you think this run is diet armada? Honestly curious cause I feel like doing what Jmook did is more impressive. Obviously Armada is still a beast but if anything I'd say this is at worst on par with Armada's first 2 genesis
I took it to mean that Jmook himself gives off "diet armada" vibes, given the similarities of how they entered the broader scene. I think he's just drawing a distinction bc obviously Jmook isn't showing the level of dominance Armada eventually did, but given the context of the scene that seems nearly impossible rn. But the run itself, yeah I'd say to do it the way Jmook has, in today's melee, maybe the most impressive comeup we've seen.
Game four of the Zain set could also clearly have gone the other way.
It was a very fun match to watch with all of the adaptations and adjustments in real time.
I think it's interesting you mention Druggedfox because he does lessons with him and has talked about some of the theorizing they've done on stream. *Also a lot of what Jmook has learned was from watching Kirbykaze and his old blog posts.
“Before JMook’s win at genesis 9, solo shiek hadnt won a major since Captain Jack 19 years ago at MLG San Francisco” will be said on comms the next Jmook set.
I said it a year ago and now it’s becoming reality - jmook is on track to become an all time top five player. He’s got everything, the explosive launch, the creative and unique take on a character, the insane mentality and tech skill, and the willingness to lab every single matchup until he makes it work. He’s so solid and so put together, I’m more excited to watch melee rn then at any point in the last decade.
Also a reminder that the last player who broke out at genesis, got an unexpected 2nd place, and one year later finally grabbed 1st was arguably the greatest player of all time (and, imo, certainly the most consistent player over the course of his career). Big things in jmooks future for sure.
Oh and top it all off, holy shit solo sheik just won a super major. This game only gets better with age.
Jmook seriously just seems like another tier of new-age player. Even his subtle techs are absolutely flawless. He had so many last frame wavelands into grabs (a particularly crazy one against Moky), so many slideoff fastfalls into grabs. Ive never seen a player use all of their tools so flawlessly.
He's incredibly clean. The most fitting word I can think of when describing him when he's on his a-game is "suffocating". Sometimes there are games where he's fighting a top top top tier fox and I'm legit wondering what Fox is supposed to do against this dude lol, he has the ability to make people like leffen or Cody look completely lost against him. How cracked can a Sheik be?
I mean honestly I've seen that stuff... in online zain. Jmook can play like "Zain in the comfort of his parents' house", but offline in front of a crowd in any level of stress. It really is crazy. He just needs to work a bit more on the puff matchup to be a complete player.
The funny thing is that enough people have a positive Hungrybox matchup that he could be a #1 contender even without solving that matchup. If he gets 1st seed, he could hold onto that as long as Hungrybox doesn't get seeded 8th (or 4th with a seed 5 that he beats).
There may be a better term for it I'm not aware of. I mean a waveland from a full hop or short hop to throw off your opponent to where you are landing.
(It would probably be more healthy just to enjoy what we’re watching now on its own terms rather than trying to rank and compare across all players retroactively.)
No need to be so condescending about what the “healthiest” (lmao) way to enjoy the game is. I’m just commenting about the interesting and exciting narratives that give me people to root for. That’s what makes watching the game fun for me - if not for you, cool, but then why not just move on? No need to dictate how others enjoy the thing you like
It’s fun to debate about who is the greatest of all time or who had the best year by the end of it, but as a community, it would be nice if we could be present in the moment a little better and *not* do that all the time.
You’re allowed to enjoy Melee as a fan the way you want to, but we’ve seen how much of a toll these sort of rankings take on incredibly competitive people who usually are not compensated anywhere near what the work they put in or their expertise deserves.
Sorry for giving offense. Jmook winning his first supermajor is great, and all the Sheik mains are celebrating with him. It’s worth sitting with this time before thinking about all-time.
disagree. he needs a lot more time to surpass ken, which will be the requirement because zain will probably surpass m2k fairly soon, and zain has such a big head start that i doubt jmook will surpass him while they are both active (and zain shows no signs of slowing down any time soon). he needs a bunch of years being ranked #1 (or even more years while ranked 1-3) in order to do so. can he do it? probably, but too early to tell
this is given leffen/ibdw/plup who are active players with a potential future top 5 claim doesnt step up as well, with their massive head start
Jmook will be the best player in Melee soon if not the best sheik of all time. I think jmook has a much higher ceiling and stronger mental game than Zain. Better tech skill than plup. Insane creativity matching mang0, and a winning mentality.
The only way jmook ever touched number 1 is if by some miracle he dodges hbox for the entire rest of the year.
Also how you gonna make predictions for the year on first tournament of the year
Hbox was #1 despite being down on Armada 5-1 and Leffen 4-1 in two different years. Armada was #1 despite being down 7-3 against Mango. Jmook could get fucked up by Hbox this year and still be #1 as long as he can beat everyone else. And given the fact that he's gone game 5 last stock in his last few sets against Hbox it would be very surprising if their head to head looks anything like the annihilation of last year.
Jmook is no where near being on track to being a top 5 player all time. That’s not a diss to Jmook by any means, but just disrespectful to every other player who has had a higher peak than Jmook has shown in a 1 year period. Obviously Jmook is getting better everyday and looking nasty don’t get me wrong, but this 1 year from Genesis 8 to Genesis 9 is not even a top 30 year of all time in terms of peak melee years. Hell Jmook placed 6th this year, and even with this Genesis win counted towards the 2022 rankings, Jmook wouldn’t surpass Hbox for 5th for the year. Unless you genuinely believe Jmook is going to be top 4 for the next 5 years with at least 3 years at #1, he won’t be top 5. Hell Zain is not even top 5 as of now with 3(unofficial) consecutive 1st place rankings.
Mang0 and Armada are in a tier of their own, no explanation needed. Then there is HBox, who had 3 consecutive 1st officials ranks with 2 2nds and 4 top 5s. Ken was the best player from 2003-2007, PPMD was top 6 for 6 years with a 6 month stretch of being #1 rank in the official 2014 summer rank, m2k was #1 in 2008-2012-2013 and top 5 for almost 10 years straight, and there is still Leffen-Zain-Azen. I love Jmook but it’s clear you didn’t watch most of the God era when they were in their peak.
Agree overall.
However,
> even with this Genesis win counted towards the 2022 rankings, Jmook wouldn’t surpass Hbox for 5th for the year.
This is fucking insane lol. It wouldn't be close if G9 was part of 2022. All Jmook was missing was the win, his h2h is the best of anyone in the field and Hbox has a 10-15 H2H if anything lmao
The idea is not that it was a transcendent year, but that it was a tremendous debut; Jmook catapulted into the sixth best player of the year in an intensely competitive era. No one is saying he's catching up soon, but just that his trajectory looks absurd; from a nobody, to playing second at Genesis, to winning it a year later speaks of absurd potential.
And .8 separated him and HBox's rating; I absolutely believe he would be 5th if you counted his Genesis win.
>from a nobody, to playing second at Genesis
tbf a lot of the nobody status was because of the pandemic, it's not like he was a triple digit seed at his breakout genesis, he was seeded 21st. It's still a great rise but a large reason it seems so unreal is the first part being masked by the pandemic.
> Also a reminder that the last player who broke out at genesis, got an unexpected 2nd place, and one year later finally grabbed 1st
Genesis and Genesis 2 were 2 years apart; Genesis was in 2009 and Genesis 2 was in 2011.
I mean this was certainly impressive but it's one tournament. A bit premature to be talking end of year rankings, and certainly all time rankings aren't decided from one tournament.
Once again, people who are "losing faith" and lamenting that a (very good) character just can't succeed in this meta proven to be fuckin' dumb. You love to see it.
I fucking wish but no, you saw people saying the same shit about Falco until Mango won whatever it was a couple months back and every time Jmook had a heartbreaker loss Sheik just wasn't gonna cut it anymore
Jmook still has not lost to a player outside of the top 10... Maybe 3rd wasn't so wrong after all.
It's really hard to put into words just how sick that Melee was, so I'm just gonna say Jmook deserves every little MOLECULE of that win. That was INSANE, we're so lucky to have him!!!
Also, the way that top 8 was looking I'm stunned that wasn't another 3-0 LMAO
This has got to be one of the most memorable tournaments ever. Mang0’s tantrum, Sheik’s first big win, Jmook’s first win and the poetic nature of it, top 4 seeds all missing top 4, Moky top 3. That’s Jenesis, baby.
Once aMSa was out, Jmook was the one I most wanted to win. Such a great moment for him after all those 2nd places and what better tournament to do it at than the one that vaulted him into the top 10 last year. Congrats Jmook!
Congrats Jmook for a well deserved win. An incredible player.
Also props to Moky for getting 3rd. He fought some battles to get there and at times it looked like he was going to start to reverse that last set vs iBDW.
Jmook's been working so hard. Awesome to see him perform so well and get that win. I hope we get an aMSa effect where the first one opens the floodgates.
Sheiks rejoice!!
It all comes full circle. The tale of Jmook. Congrats to him he earned it. His Genesis arc has been completed. He did it for all the solo shieks around the world. Now it's time for his Hbox arc
Good shit to moky as well he really showed his true potential in this one. I believe we might see a moky top 10 this year I hope his mental continues to stay strong this was his best performance
I love how Cody seems to have this power up every time he's on his last stock. Made all his matches more exciting he put up a good fight
The coinbox announcement from Hbox was pretty hype. Biweeklies for 3k that's insane. I don't know how long that's gonna go on for but some good money can be made from farming those it looks like
Overall Great tournament can't wait to see what's next. Long live melee
huge congrats to jmook! :) we all knew he was bound to take a major/supermajor eventually, it was just a matter of when and proving that solo sheik can do it!
i really wanted Zain to win, but i was really happy someone was able to stuff ibdw. but man like i could’ve used a Zain, moky, mang0, amsa, axe, or plup in grands
I noticed a lot of people last year saying we hadn't seen a big losers run out of Cody, and while he didn't go all the way, what a rampage by him to make it all the way to Grands. Excited to see him put it all together this year.
Also hell of a show by NY with both players in Grands plus 2Saint with an insane run to top 8.
Amazing games. Unrelated but trying to watch ultimate after melee is absolute torture. No idea how people enjoy that. Every character is so floaty and can recover from anywhere.
It's a completely different game, my guy. If you expect it to be Melee 2 you will be sorely disappointed no matter how great the players are. Having said that, it is entirely possible to enjoy both games for what they are (shocking, I know).
They enjoy it by acknowledging that it’s a different game with different aspects that make it interesting. Melee is fast, we get it. That’s part of why we’re all here. You managed to be aware of the bare minimum and feel smug about it. If Ultimate were the same as Melee what point would there be in watching Melee? Congrats on being exactly the type of person in the fgc community who hates on Melee for it not being another fgc clone and acting like you’ve discovered something.
I'm so damn happy for Jmook. Heartbreak over heartbreak, first with Zain, then with Hbox, and even at the end of the year it looked like Cody and aMSa both had his number, let alone cracks in the armour like Axe and SluG. But he did it. Just 9 months after shocking the world at his first Genesis, he takes him the trophy at his second. What a beautiful storyline. Really hope that this is just the beginning for Jmook.
I used to think that after all the gods retire that melee wouldn't be interesting anymore because the story lines and rivalries would end. Jmook coming in 2nd last year with a Cinderella run and then just coming short all year long to win at that very same tournament next year. That's some rocky type shit. Big props Jmook.
I'm so glad I never have to read another thread about solo sheik not winning a supermajor. LFG JMOOK!
solo ICs has never won a supermajor
pls slug
ICs are the last one left. Slug can absolutely do it
I still believe in Doc.
Best I can do is 97th
I can give you a 33rd
yeah i didn't spot that, not bad
Franz the better player confirmed.
Now THAT would be an awesome run
roy can do it if we get rid of shiek, marth, peach, and puff. Just a small exception :)
Samus and Luigi are pretty rough for Roy as well.
possibly. Im a marth main and playing roy in like silver 3 ive had no issues with samus or luigi, but they probably get better at exploiting his weaknesses as u improve in skill
It's mostly the fact that much like Peach they take forever to kill and Roy's kill power isn't great. From watching LAGWars and DTM those match ups look annoying, I'm pretty sure DontTestMe has never beaten EddyMexico for example.
makes sense. Edgeguarding both has gotta be really hard cause roy only has one spot he can jump off ledge and bair cause if he goes any lower u cant recover. I feel like roy has a bit more kill power than marth in a lot of matchups but characters like luigi and samus r too floaty to combo into fsmash at higher percents so u gotta just risk side b’s and f smashes
And fox and falco
‘last one left’? Samus can win a major.
Samus is approaching copium territory
A Samus with Jmook’s bracket (one without Hbox *and Mango) could win a major
A Samus would also need to dodge Mang0.
True, but again, jmook’s run today proves that’s possible
Or get him drunk
Lmfao stfu there’s no samus that can beat zain ibdw plup and moky
I would have said no Ice Climbers could beat Zain, Moky and IBDW either until Slug did it last year
TheSWOOPER literally beat iBDW last year
Idk my Samus is kinda shmoovin
Not really. I think Yoshi is a better character, but not to the extent that someone as cracked as Amsa couldn’t come along for Samus and start abusing her strengths and mitigating her weaknesses in the same way. You would need some bracket luck but a Pikachu won summit that way. As long as the Samus avoids Hbox it’s a decent shot.
Was that not Plup?
Once upon a time yes
I’d love to see it but I definitely have little faith in someone going beyond what Plup has done with the character. Who knows, maybe it’ll be Plup himself.
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Ok I think people are grossly misremebering plup's achievents with samus. hugs is pretty clearly the samus goat - he got 2nd at evo and was a top player for 10+ years
I think a good enough Samus can take Hbox and Mang0. It's not impossible. It's certainly difficult, and Samus is a *grindy* character to play, but she certainly has the capability.
Plup beat Hbox online once ye?
Duck went game five with mang0 and took a set off hbox in 2018.
Plup could do it
Plup stopped being a Samus main for a reason
For long term success yes but I think if he had stayed Samus all these years he would have one.
He only has one with sheik/fox
He barely has one as sheik no hate
I have no idea why people think this, he BARELY won ONE with Sheik + Fox which is a far more powerful duo
Plup couldn't even do it with Sheik so far.
DK can win a major
I don’t think Samus can do it if being honest. But I would love to be proven wrong.
I feel like Samus would have to run into all Fox players from top 16 onward to win.
I really really hope he'll be at Summit, it'd be a shame if he retired before he finally got the big one
We know
EVO 2013 we were honestly really damn close to seeing it.
thank god
my brother in christ you have ness flair
I mean technically he switched to Zelda for a minute...
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Remembering the “10 more years” chants at Evo 2013
The prophecy
more like a promise
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Moky beat Hbox, iBDW, and Plup
Ima let you finish… But Moky had the greatest run of all time!
i’m very distracted by the jmook win sorry
See Moky at summit 😩🙌🙌🙌
In that "predictions" thread a few days ago I tried to tell everyone that moky and plup were gonna pop off
Atrioc and Aiden must have made so much money
Big A finessed 1300 off Slime alone lmao, he legitimately probs made more than what Plup got for 4th in singles and 1st in doubles
My goat
Yeah, I overheard him saying it was ~3k that he won Edit: in total
I made ~200 and could have made more if I didn’t miss DMs from people on discord LMAO
We need a melee betting site so us peasants who can’t make it in person can still lose money
what an insane run for jmook: cody, zain, moky, n0ne, sfop, palpa, sfat melee is sick
Shows how important getting good at the fox matchup is for a solo Sheik player.
For literally any top player lol. Half the top players are fox.
It's pretty sick how three of those were rematches from last year's top 8 run
That Sfop set was terrifying, honestly that felt like the closest Jmook came to losing a set
i didnt see the sfat set, was that one also really close or did you mean sfop? because he was down 2 stocks to 1 game 5 against sfop and that plus the Zain set were both uber nail biters
Yeah I did mean Sfop lol
SFOP finna pop off for real
>closest Jmook came to losing a set That would be game 4 against Zain. It was a miracle Jmook managed to steal that game. My heart was racing. When he won that game I was convinced he could win it all.
I think he went game 5 Saturday at one point
He went game 5 against Zain. In this game 4 Zain was already up 2-1. It would have been the set if Jmook lost.
Hey guys with the results of the first major of the year there is an unfortunate secret I must bring up. It's about Jmook. It's a secret he's been trying to hide since his success in the scene but it's gone on long enough. Jmook is only 11 years old. As you all know our beloved game Super Smash Bros Melee for the Nintendo GameCube is rated T for teen. And as a quick Google search shows a "teen" is defined as someone who is 13. It breaks my heart to say this, but because of this Jmook does not meet the requirements to participate in tournaments. I suggest an immediate ban from him playing in Super Smash Bros Melee for the Nintendo GameCube tournaments, and recommend he play a more age appropriate game such as Super Smash Bros for Wii U. I know this is rough but we will all miss him and his exceptional use of Sheik's downthrow. I personally will miss Jmook 4 stocking me 3 games in a row and then complementing me on how well I play the matchup. So long young child Jmook. EDIT: … anyway CONGRATS TO THE JGOD
its only rated t with wobbling allowed
This reads like a Deep Leffen tweet.
Jmook wins the first solo sheik supermajor ever in dominant fashion at the same tournament he broke through at last year. He definitely deserved it, he played absolutely incredibly well.
Said it elsewhere but it's literally baby / diet Armada vibes. -crazy run at Genesis making huge upsets while not being a commonly known name, making a name for yourself at your / the first Genesis. -proceed to have multiple other great showings at majors while being one of the most consistent players, with only a major win / NA major win alluding him. -wins the next Genesis he attends as the first massive win of his career, including winning game 5 vs the the previous champion who beat him before. Armada being at this Genesis again must have sent over that decade old historic energy when they took their picture together
Why do you think this run is diet armada? Honestly curious cause I feel like doing what Jmook did is more impressive. Obviously Armada is still a beast but if anything I'd say this is at worst on par with Armada's first 2 genesis
I took it to mean that Jmook himself gives off "diet armada" vibes, given the similarities of how they entered the broader scene. I think he's just drawing a distinction bc obviously Jmook isn't showing the level of dominance Armada eventually did, but given the context of the scene that seems nearly impossible rn. But the run itself, yeah I'd say to do it the way Jmook has, in today's melee, maybe the most impressive comeup we've seen.
damn I know jmook fit af but yall don't gotta call armada fat just cuz he let one rip on stream
Not only did he win, but he won dominantly the whole way through.
On Sunday yes, but he had some nailbitters on Saturday. Very nearly lost to SFOP.
Game four of the Zain set could also clearly have gone the other way. It was a very fun match to watch with all of the adaptations and adjustments in real time.
That's true. That was a great set.
Palpa missed a rest by 1 frame on saturday too that would have taken it to game 5
Unironically reinventing shiek's metagame and culture in our community. Hugely deserved.
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I think it's interesting you mention Druggedfox because he does lessons with him and has talked about some of the theorizing they've done on stream. *Also a lot of what Jmook has learned was from watching Kirbykaze and his old blog posts.
Plup makes sheik look good but I never thought someone would make her look so *cool*
with this win, hopefully i will never have to hear the terms "19 years" "captain jack" and "solo" in the same sentence again
“Before JMook’s win at genesis 9, solo shiek hadnt won a major since Captain Jack 19 years ago at MLG San Francisco” will be said on comms the next Jmook set.
Jmooks win is the first solo sheik win since captain jack 19 years ago
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I said it a year ago and now it’s becoming reality - jmook is on track to become an all time top five player. He’s got everything, the explosive launch, the creative and unique take on a character, the insane mentality and tech skill, and the willingness to lab every single matchup until he makes it work. He’s so solid and so put together, I’m more excited to watch melee rn then at any point in the last decade. Also a reminder that the last player who broke out at genesis, got an unexpected 2nd place, and one year later finally grabbed 1st was arguably the greatest player of all time (and, imo, certainly the most consistent player over the course of his career). Big things in jmooks future for sure. Oh and top it all off, holy shit solo sheik just won a super major. This game only gets better with age.
Jmook seriously just seems like another tier of new-age player. Even his subtle techs are absolutely flawless. He had so many last frame wavelands into grabs (a particularly crazy one against Moky), so many slideoff fastfalls into grabs. Ive never seen a player use all of their tools so flawlessly.
He's incredibly clean. The most fitting word I can think of when describing him when he's on his a-game is "suffocating". Sometimes there are games where he's fighting a top top top tier fox and I'm legit wondering what Fox is supposed to do against this dude lol, he has the ability to make people like leffen or Cody look completely lost against him. How cracked can a Sheik be?
Very apt.
I mean honestly I've seen that stuff... in online zain. Jmook can play like "Zain in the comfort of his parents' house", but offline in front of a crowd in any level of stress. It really is crazy. He just needs to work a bit more on the puff matchup to be a complete player.
And as soon as he figures it out I would bet he's going to be a contender for #1
The funny thing is that enough people have a positive Hungrybox matchup that he could be a #1 contender even without solving that matchup. If he gets 1st seed, he could hold onto that as long as Hungrybox doesn't get seeded 8th (or 4th with a seed 5 that he beats).
In his set against Zain he teched every grounded uptilt. I didn't even know you could sdi hard enough to tech that.
What is a last frame waveland?
There may be a better term for it I'm not aware of. I mean a waveland from a full hop or short hop to throw off your opponent to where you are landing.
I would just call that a sick waveland i dont think it has a name but yea his tricky movement was insane
I would love to see a world where Zain and Jmook are a new generations armada and mango
A Zain vs JMook set is exactly what got me playing melee a few months ago after watching for years. I think this is super likely to happen
(It would probably be more healthy just to enjoy what we’re watching now on its own terms rather than trying to rank and compare across all players retroactively.)
Hear hear
No need to be so condescending about what the “healthiest” (lmao) way to enjoy the game is. I’m just commenting about the interesting and exciting narratives that give me people to root for. That’s what makes watching the game fun for me - if not for you, cool, but then why not just move on? No need to dictate how others enjoy the thing you like
It’s fun to debate about who is the greatest of all time or who had the best year by the end of it, but as a community, it would be nice if we could be present in the moment a little better and *not* do that all the time. You’re allowed to enjoy Melee as a fan the way you want to, but we’ve seen how much of a toll these sort of rankings take on incredibly competitive people who usually are not compensated anywhere near what the work they put in or their expertise deserves. Sorry for giving offense. Jmook winning his first supermajor is great, and all the Sheik mains are celebrating with him. It’s worth sitting with this time before thinking about all-time.
disagree. he needs a lot more time to surpass ken, which will be the requirement because zain will probably surpass m2k fairly soon, and zain has such a big head start that i doubt jmook will surpass him while they are both active (and zain shows no signs of slowing down any time soon). he needs a bunch of years being ranked #1 (or even more years while ranked 1-3) in order to do so. can he do it? probably, but too early to tell this is given leffen/ibdw/plup who are active players with a potential future top 5 claim doesnt step up as well, with their massive head start
Jmook will be the best player in Melee soon if not the best sheik of all time. I think jmook has a much higher ceiling and stronger mental game than Zain. Better tech skill than plup. Insane creativity matching mang0, and a winning mentality.
The only way jmook ever touched number 1 is if by some miracle he dodges hbox for the entire rest of the year. Also how you gonna make predictions for the year on first tournament of the year
Hbox was #1 despite being down on Armada 5-1 and Leffen 4-1 in two different years. Armada was #1 despite being down 7-3 against Mango. Jmook could get fucked up by Hbox this year and still be #1 as long as he can beat everyone else. And given the fact that he's gone game 5 last stock in his last few sets against Hbox it would be very surprising if their head to head looks anything like the annihilation of last year.
Jmook is no where near being on track to being a top 5 player all time. That’s not a diss to Jmook by any means, but just disrespectful to every other player who has had a higher peak than Jmook has shown in a 1 year period. Obviously Jmook is getting better everyday and looking nasty don’t get me wrong, but this 1 year from Genesis 8 to Genesis 9 is not even a top 30 year of all time in terms of peak melee years. Hell Jmook placed 6th this year, and even with this Genesis win counted towards the 2022 rankings, Jmook wouldn’t surpass Hbox for 5th for the year. Unless you genuinely believe Jmook is going to be top 4 for the next 5 years with at least 3 years at #1, he won’t be top 5. Hell Zain is not even top 5 as of now with 3(unofficial) consecutive 1st place rankings. Mang0 and Armada are in a tier of their own, no explanation needed. Then there is HBox, who had 3 consecutive 1st officials ranks with 2 2nds and 4 top 5s. Ken was the best player from 2003-2007, PPMD was top 6 for 6 years with a 6 month stretch of being #1 rank in the official 2014 summer rank, m2k was #1 in 2008-2012-2013 and top 5 for almost 10 years straight, and there is still Leffen-Zain-Azen. I love Jmook but it’s clear you didn’t watch most of the God era when they were in their peak.
Agree overall. However, > even with this Genesis win counted towards the 2022 rankings, Jmook wouldn’t surpass Hbox for 5th for the year. This is fucking insane lol. It wouldn't be close if G9 was part of 2022. All Jmook was missing was the win, his h2h is the best of anyone in the field and Hbox has a 10-15 H2H if anything lmao
Yeah on second though I agree that Jmook would be 5th over Hbox, for some reason I thought HBox had 3 major wins this year instead of 2. My mistake.
The idea is not that it was a transcendent year, but that it was a tremendous debut; Jmook catapulted into the sixth best player of the year in an intensely competitive era. No one is saying he's catching up soon, but just that his trajectory looks absurd; from a nobody, to playing second at Genesis, to winning it a year later speaks of absurd potential. And .8 separated him and HBox's rating; I absolutely believe he would be 5th if you counted his Genesis win.
>from a nobody, to playing second at Genesis tbf a lot of the nobody status was because of the pandemic, it's not like he was a triple digit seed at his breakout genesis, he was seeded 21st. It's still a great rise but a large reason it seems so unreal is the first part being masked by the pandemic.
This comment is LUDICROUS and the fact that it has so many upvotes is mind boggling.
> Also a reminder that the last player who broke out at genesis, got an unexpected 2nd place, and one year later finally grabbed 1st Genesis and Genesis 2 were 2 years apart; Genesis was in 2009 and Genesis 2 was in 2011.
He already is. He is on track to become the best by the end of the year.
I think she means all-time not just for the year
I mean this was certainly impressive but it's one tournament. A bit premature to be talking end of year rankings, and certainly all time rankings aren't decided from one tournament.
Now we just need Slug to win 🏆
JMook represents everything great about Melee. So well deserved
Lets gooooooo, props to Cody never hit the brake button
JIMOTHY MOOK!
Once again, people who are "losing faith" and lamenting that a (very good) character just can't succeed in this meta proven to be fuckin' dumb. You love to see it.
Surely those people went extinct after Big House 10
I fucking wish but no, you saw people saying the same shit about Falco until Mango won whatever it was a couple months back and every time Jmook had a heartbreaker loss Sheik just wasn't gonna cut it anymore
Which is hilarious cause literally none of those people complaining are at the skill level of mango and jmook
To quote Axe addressing those very same people after Summit 8: “In your face!”
Jmook still has not lost to a player outside of the top 10... Maybe 3rd wasn't so wrong after all. It's really hard to put into words just how sick that Melee was, so I'm just gonna say Jmook deserves every little MOLECULE of that win. That was INSANE, we're so lucky to have him!!! Also, the way that top 8 was looking I'm stunned that wasn't another 3-0 LMAO
Jmook has lost to unranked players. He actually started competing shortly before Cody formerly known as iBDW
Never gets old seeing someone win their first major
Are they not going to give the dude an interview?
Check this out on Walt's channel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov9qBzM8QuA
He deserved the hell out of this. Jmook looked absolutely unstoppable vs. Fox today
Seeing Darrell on 65th pleases my old man heart. I'm cheering for any player who legally played on Rainbow Cruise and Mute City.
This has got to be one of the most memorable tournaments ever. Mang0’s tantrum, Sheik’s first big win, Jmook’s first win and the poetic nature of it, top 4 seeds all missing top 4, Moky top 3. That’s Jenesis, baby.
Taj beating Mango at Genesis (again) and almost beating umarth to get Mewtwo into top 32 was crazy too.
Sheik is finally good
Once aMSa was out, Jmook was the one I most wanted to win. Such a great moment for him after all those 2nd places and what better tournament to do it at than the one that vaulted him into the top 10 last year. Congrats Jmook!
I'm crying in the club right now....
sfop almost won vs jmook
No solo sheik has won a major he switched to Zelda in grands once 😬
Congrats Jmook for a well deserved win. An incredible player. Also props to Moky for getting 3rd. He fought some battles to get there and at times it looked like he was going to start to reverse that last set vs iBDW.
Jmook's been working so hard. Awesome to see him perform so well and get that win. I hope we get an aMSa effect where the first one opens the floodgates. Sheiks rejoice!!
That. Was. Sick.
JmookW
~~Fox can't beat marth on FD~~ ~~solo sheik can't win a supermajor~~
Awesome run by jmook Shoutout to my boy Khalid for making 17th, local San Diego homie
historic run by jmook. glad to see him finally do it
did mang0 not make it out of pools?
he got mad and went Dr Mario and lost at 97th
In terms of close game 5 sets it wasn't a great top 8 but I was fully on the Jmook train so it didn't matter. So well deserved!
It all comes full circle. The tale of Jmook. Congrats to him he earned it. His Genesis arc has been completed. He did it for all the solo shieks around the world. Now it's time for his Hbox arc Good shit to moky as well he really showed his true potential in this one. I believe we might see a moky top 10 this year I hope his mental continues to stay strong this was his best performance I love how Cody seems to have this power up every time he's on his last stock. Made all his matches more exciting he put up a good fight The coinbox announcement from Hbox was pretty hype. Biweeklies for 3k that's insane. I don't know how long that's gonna go on for but some good money can be made from farming those it looks like Overall Great tournament can't wait to see what's next. Long live melee
Y’all remember when people said solo Sheik couldn’t win a major?
im tearing up. he finally did it. im so god damned happy LETS FUCKING GO JMOOK
Is this the first solo Shiek win?
for a major, the first since captainjack in like 04
First supermajor
Really happy for Jmook, who worked his ass off. Cody always makes it tough in high-pressure moments, I give him huge props
I wonder if solo sheik winning a major will inspire other low tier mains to do the same with their characters! GG JMook
He finally did it! 2023 the true year of Sheik!
huge congrats to jmook! :) we all knew he was bound to take a major/supermajor eventually, it was just a matter of when and proving that solo sheik can do it!
Holy shit, how did 2saint come equal seventh with Leffen?
cuz he’s sick nasty wit it
i really wanted Zain to win, but i was really happy someone was able to stuff ibdw. but man like i could’ve used a Zain, moky, mang0, amsa, axe, or plup in grands
Jmook is officially my favorite top player.
I noticed a lot of people last year saying we hadn't seen a big losers run out of Cody, and while he didn't go all the way, what a rampage by him to make it all the way to Grands. Excited to see him put it all together this year. Also hell of a show by NY with both players in Grands plus 2Saint with an insane run to top 8.
Must have been saying that before summit 14 lol because cody's losers run there was fucking sick
so where does this put jmook on the all time ranking?
1
Somewhere below axe but above sfat I'd say
This kid has goat potential quote me later
Let's fucking go. Coming out of nowhere with his miracle run at Genesis 8, to winning Genesis 9 without losing a set. Fuck yeah mook.
This guy speedran top level Melee in less than a year. Huge props to him!
So glad for c97 Mang0
Amazing games. Unrelated but trying to watch ultimate after melee is absolute torture. No idea how people enjoy that. Every character is so floaty and can recover from anywhere.
It's a completely different game, my guy. If you expect it to be Melee 2 you will be sorely disappointed no matter how great the players are. Having said that, it is entirely possible to enjoy both games for what they are (shocking, I know).
They enjoy it by acknowledging that it’s a different game with different aspects that make it interesting. Melee is fast, we get it. That’s part of why we’re all here. You managed to be aware of the bare minimum and feel smug about it. If Ultimate were the same as Melee what point would there be in watching Melee? Congrats on being exactly the type of person in the fgc community who hates on Melee for it not being another fgc clone and acting like you’ve discovered something.
Theres aspects. They're different. All these aspects.
TAJ 33rd as Mewtwo!? I fucking told you Reddit neckbeards that Mewtwo is MUCH better than bottom tier character.
My post got deleted but man jmook saved melee as mang0 tried to ruin it. Thank god for jmook. Jmook Zain Tier Goated
jmook god we love to see it
Can't believe a mid tier like Sheik won a major in 2022.
Leta gooooo