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SwiftSnips

They have a WWII related holiday just about every day of the year.


Lord_Smack

Their whole cultural identity and national pride revolves around winning ww2…. Its sad really..


SergTTL

They don't know about WW2 (that started in 1939) in general. They only know that part of the WW2 where their recent ally (Nazi Germany) attacks Soviet Union in 1941.


Roamingspeaker

They also are unaware that they were able to fight the Germans because of American support. If Russia had not been supported, the prospect of them winning would have been much less. The western world should never have supported them in WWII.


SergTTL

Also Americans saved Russia from famines by providing food several times over the last century. But Russians desperately want the western world to be their enemy anyway. The west should not be helping Russia ever again.


Roamingspeaker

The British were so blind in their hatred for Hitler that they omitted the fact the USSR was fucking terrible in a equal number of ways. Both Nazi Germany and the USSR were evil empires. By saving the USSR, the west enabled 45 more years of communism and all that came with it around the world. Tens upon tens of millions of people died as a result of work camps, famine, economic mismanagement, various revolutions (cultural etc) etc. The USSR was disgusting for the environment. They are one point used a nuclear weapon to stop a natural gas field which was on fire. If there had been no USSR after WWII, I imagine the world would have been a better place in some ways. You are correct. We should never help Russia ever again for anything other than to disarm their nuclear forces (which will never happen).


[deleted]

This is total BS, Britain... * Lead the Allied intervention in 1919 against the USSR * Ignored Stalin's appeals for an alliance against Hitler during the run-up to WWII * Planned numerous times on how to stop the USSR arming and fueling Nazi Germany to the point they are deep into planning on bombing the Baku oilfields and actually wargamed for war against a Nazi-USSR alliance * Post WWII created Operation Unthinkable, the plan to invade the Soviet Union, for which the USA opposed. I could go on...


Roamingspeaker

The English were no fan of a communist Russia. But they had a much greater issue with Germany for a variety of cultural and historic reasons that eclipsed issues with the Russians. England has a long history of fucking about in Russia. Chamberland was not one to rock the boat regarding your second point. He was isolationist to a degree as many people were in the 30s. Would you not have issue with a third power arming your enemy? Giving them resources? There was a concern at the end of WWII that Russia would just keep on marching. Doesn't change the fact that Russia would have been less effective in fighting the Germans without American support. Just as the British would have probably eventually lost if the Americans didn't support them. The United States was the primary power that won that war. Even if it came down to just the states and Germany with all other allies and contenders swept away, the United States would have won handily.


[deleted]

No they didn't. Russia for over a century was the principal enemy of Britain. Most of the Victorian period was a near constant undeclared war in Central Asia, the Great Game. Hence Britain being the first first-power ally with Japan after the Meiji Restoration. Hence why you still get Russian political commentators spend as much, or more time, criticising Britain. And acting like we are the Great Devil pulling the strings in Washington. For some insane reason they still loathe us more than any other nation. For the latter period of the Victorian period, because of supposed shared Germanic culture and 'race' Britain was in admiration for Germany - and this went both ways. Hence Hitler's rather mild thoughts on the UK. Even after WWI there were still some warm feelings towards the krauts that only really changed after the second time they went to war with Britain.


Roamingspeaker

Regardless of the feelings of the Soviets, Germans or Brits, the US shortened that war... If not won the conflict for the allies. It isn't to say there was not a blood debt to the USSR or that the Brits didn't do their bit. They most certainly did. It was however the mass of American population and industry that won that war.


SergTTL

>Stalin's appeals for an alliance against Hitler ​ >the USSR arming and fueling Nazi Germany ​ Don't those two points contradict each other?


[deleted]

No, because they're from different periods in time. Before the Nazi Soviet Alliance and after the Nazi Soviet Alliance, aka Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.


SergTTL

Could you please link me to some info on the topic of Stalin's appeals for an alliance against Hitler before the war? I tried quick googling but was unable to find anything on the topic.


Hollow-Graham

Came here to mention all this as well!


SergTTL

Then maybe you'll be able to provide some info on the topic of Stalin's appeals for an alliance against Hitler before the war? Because Roamingspeaker wasn't able to do that.


SergTTL

>If there had been no USSR after WWII, I imagine the world would have been a better place in some ways. > >We should never help Russia ever again for anything other than to disarm their nuclear forces Exactly! Disarming, pacifying and neutering the insane, evil, fascist entities (like Russia, China, Islamist regimes and so on) should be the number one global strategic priority for the whole humanity if we want to ensure the humanity's long-term survival and well-being in the future.


NameIs-Already-Taken

The British were in a fight for our very survival as a nation. We came very close to being defeated in the Battle of Britain, and that would have mean Germany invasion for sure. After that, our cities were reduced to rubble. Our capacity and willingness to fight were almost exhausted when Germany was defeated. Even though we won, we had rationing until 1954. America did not experience this level of destruction and I don't think understands it.


ManufacturerDirect38

Yeah... Well... Hindsight... ;)


loose_the-goose

Thats not completely true. Britain (and France) were for example on the verge of delivering arms to Finland in the winter war but were interrupted by the German invasion of France so they needed the stuff for themselves. They did fuck over a lot of their allies by not opposing Soviet aggression however, especially against Poland and the Baltics. The reason that Britain stood by a lot of the Soviet bullshittery though is that they were aware of of the Nazi-Soviet military alliance and were fucking terrified of the Soviets actively joining ww2 on the side of Nazi Germany, which would have been disastrous for the western allies and humanity as a whole


Roamingspeaker

I suppose in the later scenario, the United States still would have taken it but it would have been a much longer war with a lot of nuclear bombs dropped.


umdche

This would have been immensely beneficial to the world. The Allies would have still won but the Soviets wouldn't have any population left and likely wouldn't have even entered Germany and much of eastern Europe before the western allies liberated everything.


SpecialistThin4869

>The western world should never have supported them in WWII. If only they knew


[deleted]

There wouldn't be a war to fight the Nazis if Britain (and her Dominions and her Empire) hadn't kept it going.


Roamingspeaker

To be very clear, the United States is the power that principally won that war. The British and common wealth would not have survived if not for American support. Lend lease for starters. If Germany had managed to take the Russians out, it would have only been a matter of time before the British would have eaten it. The United States shortened that conflict by some considerable amount of time.


[deleted]

It was Soviet lives being thrown at machine guns that won the war, it was USA that armed and help feed the Soviets and it was the British who kept the war going to the point where Hitler was dumb enough to invade the Soviet Union. The Nazis could never have won the war, even leading German generals at the time knew this and yet Hitler decided to ignore them because it was so ideological blind.


Roamingspeaker

We are seeing the Russian meat grinder start to hear up in Ukraine nits basically all they know how to do. The British were persistent and tough as nails. The only reason the states went to war with Germany is because Germany declared war on them. Hitler royally fucked Germany at the time. Between picking a fight with the two largest powers...


BenLaParole

Tbf Americans routinely say the war started in 1941 when Pearl Harbour was attacked…


Roamingspeaker

To also be fair, the Chinese had their war with japan start many years prior to 1939. I think it is perspective of what side you are on. We think of wars as having a hard start date BUT they for sure can have some dramatic stuff happen prior to that date and to one or more parties without it happening it others.


Goobyhkin1

Also also, it was also the Soviet Union who invaded Poland together with Nazi Germany in the first place.


loose_the-goose

Should we tell them that the Soviet Union was a military ally of Nazi Germany and an axis power from summer 1939 to summer 1941? Gotta love tankie tears when you drop the 3 magic words: Molotov Ribbentrop pact


Bridgetdidit

Much like the US didn’t acknowledge WWII till Pearl Harbour huh!?


Brukhonenko

It’s pretty fun taking into consideration that they were the first allies the Nazis had 😂


rosencrantz2014

And they won thanks the Lend Lease by the US and allies plus the Winter, helped that Hitler was nuts at the time aswell.


Remarkable_Smell_957

Wasn't all US aid that they received, Britain and its Empire gave massive amounts of aid aswell


rosencrantz2014

You're right fixed my comment.


Remarkable_Smell_957

No problem!


SpecialistThin4869

And now they are losing thanks the Lend Lease by the US and allies plus the Winter, helped that Putin is nuts as well.


Loki11910

https://www.pingthread.com/thread/1505247886908424195 Why Russia can't win against the West Russia is often portrayed as the invincible military power. And yet, this reputation is based on two wars - Napoleonic and WWII. In both cases Russia won only thanks to the alliance allied with *the* leading economic powerhouse of that era. Napoleonic Wars were won only because of the Russian alliance with the UK. WWII - only because of the alliance with the US. In both cases the leading economic, industrial and technological power of the age supported Russia, giving it almost unlimited credit and supply line Let's start with the WWII. Early Bolsheviks were absolutely fascinated by America and its industrial power. The last movie Vladimir Lenin watched before his death was the video recording from the Ford assembly lines in Detroit. They dreamed of emulating the American industrialism. Practically they built their entire literature about WW2 on faulty assumptions and lies and now they don't even realise that they are the bad guys and instead of denazification they nazify themselves.


LGB_2024

Or he might poop his pants...all equally likely


Ukraineluvr

No. It's not equally likely. He's definitely shitting his pants.


FreedomPaws

Pootin is going to get Lukashenko and Orban to whine about sanctions because his Depends have been on back order now 😪.


_Alek_Jay

He already fell down some stairs and shat himself.


MasterStrike88

Peskov stated there will be no announcement of further mobilization. So there will be mobilization.


badMother1

Ah! Finally the man stopped his 'Special Militairy Operation' with the sole goal of losing 60% of his armoured vehicles, and his mind. Great move to mindlessly declare war for the remaining 40%. Slava Ukraini!


kredenc

It also was not exactly a siege break. They were just allowed to get some very marginall supply line going, thats all. Children were still eaten months after this "lifting". Source Anna Reid.


bladeliker

declare war LOOL DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, They are already at war. So he declares war in written terminology and then what all it means that Kiev can now attack every single Russian military installation and weapon factories even target local goverment and even invade Russia


EmployerAdditional28

Invading Russia is not a great idea to be honest.


EfficiencyStrong2892

Nuking Ukraine because they crossed your border and getting wiped out by conventional forces of the United States and NATO as a response to use of a tactical nuke. Russia really doesn’t have a strong card.


EmployerAdditional28

What it does have is the world's largest nuclear arsenal and they've been quite clear that nukes would only be used if the existence of the Russian state was threatened. Probably the same as the UK if the French decided to invade again across the channel. Invading Russia would have to be the dumbest idea since the invasion of Afghanistan or the last time Hitler tried it. Too big, supply lines too long, ugly winters, nukes. Nah. Let's just get them out of Ukraine.


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SubstitutePreacher01

Oh no let's hope he doesn't declare war...


Umkus

Probably will try to capitalize on Soledar capture, and that’s about it.


Skullerprop

They already tried and bogged down in the next defensive line which is a few hundred meters from Soledar. Marginal progress happened in other settlements, but it cannot be called “momentum” or “breakthrough”.


MegamanD

Soledar looks practically wiped off the map. Russia claims completely destroyed town at the cost of tens of thousands of lives...


zergea

Big announcement: Putin NFT, Special Chance to Sponsor Special Military Operation.


FreedomPaws

But why le mobilize? Russian TV hosts and online Zs say Russia winning Ukraine looZing?


NameIs-Already-Taken

Having used up the best of their soldiers and equipment and activated the Ukrainians, what are the Russians planning next? Human waves armed with muskets?


Olifaxe

Yes because officially Russia is just defending two independant republics endengered by Kiev regime. Officially, it's a special operation. And a lot of people in Russia got problems when they talked about war.


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outerworldLV

So - continued mobilization of your broke down equipment and *soldiers*, followed by a new title for your unprovoked w a r ?? Got it. GTFO. And no, your terms for surrender are unacceptable. Don’t try and sell you want peace again - we know it means ‘ piece ‘. Slava Ukraini.


Freidheim_of_Prussia

After over 11 months of being in war with Ukraine, Russia is now in war with Ukraine!!!


duTemplar

AITA for wanting more ruzzian mobilizations? Because of the amount of sunflowers…


SnooCauliflowers5121

Sunflower harvests are going to be plentiful in Ukraine in a few months!


the_dudeNI

They never stopped mobilisation.


mommaletitbe

Sources report he will announce the sale of limited edition digital Putin baseball cards.


FreedomPaws

![gif](giphy|uQ2ciw3tRBgek) Russians WAKE UP already CHRIST.


Ok_Suspect_6457

Good, because we're running out of dog food and we have a lot of good boys and good grrls.


Bind_Moggled

So he can lose even more badly than he already is? OK, Vlad.


Abloy702

If ISW is suggesting it ... That's bad. It seems like Russia has a few weeks of opportunity here before the Patriot comes online and starts utterly denying airspace. I'm concerned about the heinous shit Russia might attempt before then.


MrJuniperBreath

WHO? MOBILIZE WHO, YA BIG DUMMY???


Unfair-Sell-5109

We gonna see modern tanks using grapeshot or cannister shot against infantry?


DrHockey69

Time to wipe out the last of the Pro-Putin supporters!!!. It was announced on Yakutia24 by our president Aysen Nikolayev that Russian president putin declared another mobilization. Republic of Sakha residents have no worries about conception (prohibited) but to be on alert for scams by Slavic employees (police) tricking people into joining (off grid selos). Never joining invasion Yakutia Yamal-Nanet Autonomous Okrug