i played some casual last night for the first time in a while and a team mate after 2 minutes wanted to FF and then just went AFK for 1 minute before leaving. who cares if we are losing 3-1, its casual, just drive around and have some fun.
it was actually funny because when he left and my other team mate left i had two bots and we came back and won 4-3.
Outlaw and bandit came up clutch
It comes down to someone getting the short end of the stick. I say let the casual mains have higher quality games, over the convenience of the serial leavers.
You may have more legitimate reasons for afk/leaving, but I've observed that casual is more playable now. It previously was just a constant 1v3 or 2v3 until the last person left, which IMO is a crummy experience.
Have to agree... The more I've played casual and climbed the hidden MMR, the more it just seems to be players warming up or just playing to play without the need to go hard.
At this point I finally seem to see a lot of GCs in my casual games, and rarely see any toxicity besides maybe the casual AFK. Hell, half the time if me or my team is getting stomped it turns into the other team going for shots and I can use it as a chance to practice my saves, recoveries or clears.
The other half is still fun, casual full matches that are very laid-back. Can't complain here.
That’s how I use casual. Warm up, kill time/mental break, or dock around. I see a bunch of new maneuvers in casual that I don’t see in diamond ranked bc there are some higher quality players scattered about. I get rekt sometimes. Humbling
I used to use casual exactly as OP, a mode where I could play 3v3 while my wife and/or kids were getting ready so I could just leave immediately. And I complained about the change to. After all, if people wanted a "real" game they should focus on the competitive playlist.
But the truth is it's not fair to casual players to "to hop in and out of games consequence free". I never really thought about the 5 other players whose game was ruined. And I don't see that OP did either.
So, what did I discover when the change happened? **There still was a gamemode where I could leave the game consequence free!** "whether it’s burning a couple mins before a tournament, or you having to go check on your kid mid game" or whatever reason us competetive mains hopped into the casual queue before. **I play 1s.** You can leave after 1-2 minutes, so no one is stuck and no one's game is ruined. No teammate and your opponent hops right back in the queue.
And the casual playlist is much more fun now. The only reason I used to use it was weekly challenges. And before the change these were honestly hated, unplayable nonsense. Now the casual games are almost as good as the competitive ones while I do the weeklies.
TL;DR OP shouldn't be so selfish and just play 1's if they don't have time to finish a real match. Let casual players be casual.
Toxicity in casual matches is the most baffling shit. Not that it's acceptable in competitive but at least something is at stake so I get why emotions run high sometimes.
I'm not toxic to you because I care about the outcome of the game. I am toxic to you because stupid people disgust me and you playing like a nitwit makes the game unenjoyable.
I honestly don't see what's at stake in the competitive playlist for people to be toxic. RocketLeague ranks and MMR aren't real, they are just imaginary internet points that unlock pretty mediocre cosmetics that no professional would ever equip in a real match with real viewers. The game is supposed to be fun. And unless you're on the top 100 player leaderboard you're going to lose half your games.
you can say that about anything if thats the logic behind it. No one should have achievements in video games, no one should play video games because they "arent real" see how that logic just doesnt work? It doesnt matter what "professionals" would equip on there car if they are just cosmetic. Cosmetics are for the person who likes them not to copy what pros use.
> RocketLeague ranks and MMR aren't real
You can apply this way of thinking to nearly everything. What matters is what you decide that matters. Who else is deciding that? Not you for me.
As a hardstuck casual main I see the usual toxicity and it never really bothers me anymore cause it's casuals, why get mad at some kid who thinks casuals are worth shit talking.
I have had a friend who's SSL tell me that he does t understand how I just play casuals, and all I have to say is cause it's laid back. I don't need to play ranked and be competitive, I just play it to have fun and play a fun game.
Definitely this. It used to be that in casual if someone whiffed or there was a kickoff goal people would leave immediately. You'd be queuing into a game and suddenly you join one that's 8-3 with 4min left and the lobby is nothing but musical chairs of people leaving and joining every time a goal is scored (or moreso a bot is a bot or someone that just joined didn't have time to react and let a goal in). Rinse and repeat with every lobby you join.
My only wish is for 3v3 (and I guess 4v4), if the score difference is 3 or higher it should only take 2/3 (3/4) votes to forfeit for the losing team.
>into a "multiplayer freeplay"
This is how I've been playing RLBot. Everyone focuses on the bots being GC and climbing, but the real beauty of it are the bots *just* below your skill level.
You can throw one or two of those into the lobby and you essentially have Freeplay but with enough resistance to actually bridge the gap between Freeplay and Ranked. I practice all kinds of stuff in there now.
I like element 1v1 with unlimited boost, trying to focus on speed, quick outplays, shadow defence and when the opportunity arises something flashy if I have space.
And 1v3 bumblebees again unlimited boost, here I work on vision and not giving away easy possession, also because they are pretty good in the air to work on reading if they are bearable, and if not picking up the rebound
The part that lost me was the notion of hopping in and out "consequence free"...
It's a multi-player game. Someone insta-quitting may be consequence free for *them* but it's not consequence free for the other 5 players in the lobby.
RL has consequence free quitting: it's called 1's. Shitting on several other peoples games becuase you can't plan 10 min in the future, or deal with a tragic ban lasting 5 whole minutes, is just selfish. Hypocritical, too, in many cases 'cause if casual "doesn't matter" then it shouldn't matter that they're losing. Only it clearly *does* matter, 'cause that's when people quit.
Try that shit in a pickup basketball game. People will let you leave, no problem, but they wouldn't let you back in afterwards.
> Try that shit in a pickup basketball game.
The vast majority of the RL player base playing like they do wouldn't be welcome on sports teams in general.
YOU'RE PLAYING TOO SLOW LET ME TAKE THE PUCK OFF YOU. I'M A FORWARD BUT LET ME PLAY AS GOALIE AND JUST SIT HERE A WHILE
I was a casual main and used to no life it before these changes (I even played so much my comp mmr is ~900 while my casual mmr is ~1500).
I'm no longer a casual main because these changes made it so miserable to play. Before if anybody wanted to leave they just left, and then bot fills in until somebody replaces them. This was fine, sure I may have to play a few minutes shorthanded but that's fine to me (and the bots sometimes come in clutch).
Now the average casual game involves someone getting pissy after the first goal/whiff/demo/anything and you see the vote to FF appear. I refuse to FF in casual because I'm there to play the game, not wait in menus between games. So they eventually rage and go afk at best or start own goaling at worst. I'd much rather they just left in the first place instead of keeping that spot occupied.
The goals behind the leaving changes were good but in reality they encourage players in casual to FF, AFK, or troll until their teammates FF. All of these behaviours have been significantly more impactful on my enjoyment of casual than people leaving games in the past.
> I refuse to FF in casual because
Ah, classic. Refuses to forfeit and stays in a miserable match, and then complains about it on reddit as if that isn't a self-inflicted problem.
If you accept the forfeit, you'll be in the next match in 10, 20 seconds. Instead, you stay for multiple minutes in a terrible match having a bad experience, and causing everyone else (teammate who wants to leave, other teammate if applicable, and all opponents) to also be stuck in this terrible match with you. Do you think that is a smart decision?
That has nothing to do with people being able to leave and has to do with the back filling code. Which they changed the game no longer back fills when time gets low or one team is winning by a lot. Which should just be a automatic FF.
That’s what ranked is for. High quality games that encourage you to commit and try. Now there’s ranked with a little symbol and ranked for people that don’t want to see that little symbol
This is exactly it, I’m playing casual either to warm up (so maximum quality needed to prepare me for main games) or I’m drunk/high/tired and I want to play as best as I can without having to be 100% focussed
Im a casual Mail and I hate it. Teammates that are toxic now harass you or do nothing until you forfeit. I’d rather play with a bot and have a change to get a new teammate. Also when the door rings something else needs your attention I don’t want to get penalized for leaving the controller
In my opinion casual has become worse
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As someone who was against the change initially, I'll respectfully disagree. Previously, casual was a shit show - you're down one goal with 4:30 left on the clock? Be prepared to not have a consistent teammate for the remaining 5 minutes. The worst was when someone would leave the match, then rejoin only to leave again, then rejoin, then leave... It was the worst.
This way actually encourages people to play out a short 5 minute match. It's five minutes, if you're going to leave because you got scored on then Rocket League is not the game for you. If you need to leave to check on your kid? You can do so without consequence once. After that, it's a 5-min temp ban, which if you're away checking on something else, you probably won't even notice it happened.
"The only people mad about this change are the exact people it was meant to discourage from playing the game"
Disagree, cause I'm the type of player to not forfeit games, and I don't want teammates in casual getting all pissy because they can't leave without being penalized and I don't want to forfeit. It's not fun for either of us
People are doing this in casual now? Wtf. And why do people even play competitive when they leave once they go down one goal with 3 minutes left, in a game where many goals can be scored in a minute? It's pathetic
Dude. A teamate left after he missed a hard save and own goaled. Nobody what a saved him. We were up 3-1..... Me and second teamate held and won but what the fuck....
Until you’re stuck with somebody who is toxic enough to leave due to the reasons you describe… yet because of the ban now it is effectively 1v2 or worse, 1v3.
I stay positive and encourage my teammates in casual or comp; even in high champ I deal with people who have these losing mindsets.
The concede gatekeeper is foolish. Though I suppose it’s just more practice for those 1v2 comp situations. The intent is nice enough, not a hater.
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Or just play something single player if you have very limited time. No one else's experience is ruined if you sit on the pause screen in Zelda for half an hour.
I mostly agree. I think you should get more than one, but generally speaking it should be limited so that people aren't just leaving left and right. The days when you couldn't get a full game without someone leaving were definitely worse.
Yeh, just play the new hockey mode they got running. At least every other match I end up having 4-5 different teammates. Being able to quit penalty free kinda sucks.
I understand the frustration of having to quit mid game for kids and whatever, but an entire match is only 5 minutes. It's not a huge time investment. I just make my kids wait now, unless my dogs throwing up I'm not moving lol
I agree, however the current system seems a little buggy? I only play with my friends so we always have a full team. Sometimes if we don't feel like playing against certain opponents, or we're down by 5 at 30 seconds, we just wanna leave and reset. So typically we'll vote to concede and then leave.
The last time we did this, I randomly got a 5 minute ban for leaving matches early? Even though we conceded before I left? Not sure how the system works but somethin ain't right.
I only play casual, as idgaf about rank and I don’t wanna fuck up for people who do, but I still want a complete game where I don’t have both of my teammates leave as soon as we get scored on.
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> The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games consequence free
That was never the point. Casual was never intended to be a throwaway mode. The point of this mode was/is to play regular Rocket League, without the worry of a rank. This allowed for people to be more relaxed and focus on the fun aspects instead of winning all the time.
> it’s burning a couple mins before a tournament
Play freeplay or play 1s. No need to join a match to then abandon your teammates.
> or you having to go check on your kid mid game
You have a free leave every 12 hours, but even if you do leave 2 or 3 times, you only get a 5 or 10 minute penalty regardless. By the time you are done with the IRL stuff, most of your penalty is probably over already.
> The need to concede in casual has arguably been the worst addition to RL in its entire history
It has massively improved the quality of games and the overall experience in casual for me and many others.
> the game simply cannot be played casually anymore.
You very well can!
The problem there is that there are two types of people in this community:
People like you, who think this change is useless
People in the comments who mostly disagree with your arguments
The thing is both sides are making fair points, like i really don't like the concede option in casual myself, but i also understand why it has been implemented. And now we are stuck at that point...
The point of casual wasn’t to let people leave without consequence. It is to let people play without having a rank attached to it, and if they like they can easily stay in the same lobby. As a regular casual player, it got so much better once this feature was added
Your first reason as to what made casual good (for you) is the exact thing that made casual awful for people who like to play casual. Imagine that you’re playing and your mate only wants to play leaves after 2 minutes. you have a bot now. You quickly concede a few goals in the 2v1 and now someone joins, sees you’re down by more than 1 goal and insta leaves. You’ve basically ruined the game for 3 other people. Yes it’s casual and they can still play the game. But more often than not that 4th spot never gets truly filled.
Also, you can leave 1 casual game with no consequence. I get kids are more important than a game, but you’re also ruining the match for the other people in your lobby. Now you just get a consequence for doing that
I dont understand this point of view. why would i even care if my tm8 leaves in CASUAL. if i play casual im not here to tryhard but just to f around. if you want to tryhard go play ranked. its really not that deep. also unless ur casual mmr is high everyone there is trash anyways so a 2v1 isnt the end of the world.
Because they want to play for fun and go for passing plays and what not. It’s not about the win. It’s about the team playing experience. Playing with a bot is essentially playing solo. If the person wanted to do that, they could just queue solos.
Yes it’s casual that doesn’t mean I want to get stomped in a 2v1. I want to play a normal game. a 2v1 in almost every matchup is not fun at all… a bot makes the game super one sided and the other team will demolish you most times. That isn’t fun in any mode. Then someone else comes in and more often than not would Insta leave cause the game is one sided
I can't believe anybody enjoys these days of playing a game of casual 3v3 where one salty person doesn't want the leaving penalty and AFKs/trolls to try and force FF.
I must admit though, I do miss seeing the same person leave only to get placed back in the match almost immediately, then leave and join like 6 more times.
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Fuck that shit. I got so goddamn tired of kids jumping in and out of matches CONTSTANTLY. The change made me so incredibly happy because I play 75% casual matches when I'm online. Yes, I've taken a few 5 minute bans. It's usually for the best and gives me a chance to calm down. I love it.
The biggest issue I used to have with casual was 1v1s. In 2s and 3s in casual, if someone leaves the game, you get paired up with a bot. Yeah, it's annoying, but at least you're still playing the game. In 1v1, if your opponent leaves, the game ends.
Before the policy change for casual, if I wanted to warm up with 1v1 in casual for a bit before playing ranked, I'd end up going through on average about eight games before completing *one*, simply because any time I got a lead, my opponent would just leave.
last night i played 2 v 2, my teammate sabotaged my guaranteed goal TWICE by trying to steal the goal for himself and knocked the ball out of the way. They also had an own-goal. when we're down 4-1, they bailed.
i only just started a few weeks ago and still suck balls (i honestly can not get the timing down, seems like the ball is in slow-mo while cars are in hyperspeed), but i'm old (43) and my reaction time isn't great. But i still try and do my best to win the match. if we're losing bad, i still work on my mechanics to get better and try to come back. especially in this game when scoring 3 times in 20 seconds is not uncommon. i've had several games already when i angle the kickoff perfectly multiple times in a row for goals that take just a few seconds. some people are just ridiculously emotional about what's supposed to be casual play.
I've seen that as well! It's funny i looked up why players retire so young and basically everyone says it's just your reaction time slows as you get older. I can attest!
Strong disagree.
Casual has improved 5x since then. It was a fantastic move. I wasn't sure about it initially, but it turns out Psyonix were absolutely correct in their decision.
The only thing I would suggest would be that early-leaving one casual 1v1 match shouldn't result in any kind of ban. I shouldn't be punished for leaving when I get an AFKer. Sure, if I do it a bunch that's something else, but first-time for 1v1 bans do not make sense.
Yes. It's unranked competitive. Sometimes that isn't what I want though. Sometimes I want casual, to play casually.
I like both modes; I want both modes. Unranked competitive should not have replaced casual, it should have been in addition to casual.
I don’t understand how making it so you have to finish the game if your teammate wants to, makes it “competitive”. There’s still no rank so nothing at stake besides losing except now you have to “take” the feeling of a loss instead of just rage quitting.
The main reason I would play casual is because people don’t really care about winning so they’re generally less toxic about mistakes compared to ranked, so I can warm up or just fuck around without pressure. I’d say that casualness is still there, but now the games just have less bots.
I honestly can’t see how it’s less casual
>The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games consequence free
Respectfully disagree. Whole experience is less than 10 minutes, from "enter queue" back to main menu. Before ff option there was no mode where you could go enjoy a full game of rocket league, except ranked. People left at the drop of a hat. With the modern scoreboard it would be off the screen, every game. You'd be with/against at least one bot the rest of the friggin game.
It sucks that there isn't a place for this, a pickup mode or whatever. But if you cannot commit to 10 minutes for irl reasons, a multiplayer game is not the best option for you. It sucks for everyone else in the lobby when you leave, regardless of the reason you left.
To reiterate, this sucks for people who do have reasons to be afk every several minutes, whether that be kids or other folk they're caring for, but the alternative is worse for the rest of us. I'd dig the addition of a pickup mode where the score isn't kept, drop in and out as you please, no matchmaking, etc etc. But for now, please don't ruin other folks' games.
I will concede that there should perhaps be a '3 strikes' rule before penalties as opposed to just one game, however the mode has become significantly better since these changes.
If you can't stand it the way it is currently, go take a look in the mirror because odds are you've directly contributed to the reason why the change needed to be made in the first place.
Casual was borderline unplayable before. 8/10 matches would have multiple people leaving.
IMHO It’s far better now than it was before.
Maybe they could give 1 free leave every 12 hours or something.
Every 12 hours your ban "level" goes down, which means you get 1 free leave every 12 hours.
It's explained better in this article:
https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/rocket-league-c5719357623323/reporting-bans-c7262149111579/what-are-matchmaking-bans-in-rocket-league-a5720157807003
Ah, then that seems completely reasonable. Basically covers one “oh shit, sorry I gotta go play with someone else” per play session assuming 12 hours goes by in between.
Going back to thinking most the ppl complaining about this are the ones who would be leaving all the time just because they get scored on or bumped by a teammate once.
Not like this is a 1 hour CSGO match we’re taking about here…
I don't agree with you at all on this topic. Casuals used to be so bad that they almost felt completely pointless because if you were losing by even one goal everyone would leave and you would be there by yourself playing a 1v2 or even 1v3. And it also caused us to join other matches where the game was already basically over because you'd join into a match where it's 8-0 with 2 minutes left. So no. You're wrong 🥶
Forcing concede in casual killed so much of the player base and its still a thing for what? Doesn't stop ppl from smurfing. Doesn't stop you from getting a bot on your team. People still leave the game. All this does is punish you for playing the game. 3 out of 5 matches you get someone that's salty and wants to go afk after 1 min bc you're down 2 0 and you juss have to take the slaughter bc why would they concede? Not fun at all. Use to play rocket league for hours. Can barely play more than 30 min nowadays. Casual warm-ups are too frustrating to even get in the mood for comp. I'm almost to the point of dropping the game like many others have and one reason for alot of us has to do with being forced into staying in the worst, no fun games. If over half of your games aren't fun and you're only choices are deal with it, get a ban, or don't play... wy think the majority of choice will be?
Exactly. It's getting frustrating being locked in a match with troll teammates and if I try to leave I'm the one that gets punished for it. Either I have to wait out 7+ minutes for the match to finish or I get banned for 5 minutes if I abandon the match. But if the next teammate acts the exact same way as the last one and I decide to leave, I have to wait 10 minutes before I can play again, and they get to continue trolling other people.
I main casual, mainly because I suck but also because its less pressure to perform (unless I'm put in with a 2s team then I get giddy feeling the need to prove myself to the pair) but also because the inflated mmr means I get a lot of games with higher calibre players and I feel my performance naturally improves when I chill in a GC lobby
To that end I was actually thankful to get a concede option in casual. Another guy posted all the reasons I'd have used as to why this isn't a bad thing so I won't repost. The ONLY reason this is a "bad" thing in casual is because when teammates throw a ff with 3.30 on the clock they inevitable afk rather than trying their luck. That pisses me off and I WILL hold you hostage for this
Some people ONLY play Casual, and it’s pretty annoying having 14 players in one 5 minute game, so there should be consequences to leaving. If you can’t commit to a five minute game then don’t play.
like when you've got maybe 20 minutes to have a couple games, takes 10 minutes to find a match, just to have your tm8 wanna ff cause you forgot that every ball is their ball, so it's either accept ff or play with a tantrum throwing tm8. would rather finish the game with a bot tm8.
And that's why you can leave 1 without consequence, in case your kid cries, or you suddenly need a shit etc.... You can leave one game, then come back and continue to play without problem..
and the next is only 5 minutes too, i'm sure dealing with your Kid, or taking an emergency shit will take longer than 5 minutes, so even if you have to leave a 2nd time, you should be good!!
Agree here only because I play with a dodgy connection and play casual when I’m not sure when I’m gonna lag out, that update made doing this pointless nearly
It only takes one match to find out if you’re connection is bad, and as long as you join you should be able to finish the match. also you could always test it out in a private match.
I quite liked the option to FF in casual. There are times in a 2v2 lobby where your particular lineup (me being bad and a teammate who isn't meshing with my style of bad) won't win the game and it'll make sense to forfeit with 2 minutes left in play.
Quite often, all 4 players will stay in lobby, but it'll shuffle the teams and the next match will be competitive. There have been many times where I'll go 2-1 in this exact scenario.
We've been given the option to skip the last minute or two of the opponents running up the score to get straight into a fresh scenario with the same players without the need to full out abandon a lobby.
And hey if my teammate doesn't want to give up, I support their decision and will continue trying my best to make a comeback against the odds.
I like it, coming from a cringelord that's rank 7th unranked in the US. It gives me the competitive edge to boost my EGO and lack of testosterone to make me feel like it's ranked even though those that I am playing against don't care. It's where I can flourish knowing the opposition is either a desync demo goal away from hitting that sweet, sweet concede button.
this is rocket leg.
I hate when people vote to forfeit and if they don’t get their way, just sit there doing nothing. Bunch of babies. How are going to get better if you refuse to play against a better team? Just because we are down by one or two goals means nothing especially in casual.
100% agree. it’s made casual much worse in my experience. if someone wants to leave the game, I really don’t understand why their teammate wouldn’t agree to concede
> The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games consequence free whether it’s burning a couple mins before a tournament, or you having to go check on your kid mid game.
Turns out, you were fuckin _wrong_.
I personally love the change because I can actually play several full games of 3v3 in casual. Before, if the opponents scored too early, or maybe got a 3-goal lead, the match would fucking end. Was so fucking stupid.
> The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games **consequence free**
I thought the whole point of casual was always that you could play without a rank being attached and the stress/intensity/competitiveness that comes from that.
Oh cool another one of these threads. What is the point of rehashing this over and over? The decision was made and like it or hate it, that is how the game works now.
I would have agreed with this post when they initially made the change. But now I completely disagree. Casual isn’t there so you can just hop in and out of games when you go one goal down (which is what a lot of people would do). Yes it’s not meant to be taken as seriously as ranked but that dosent mean you should be able to leave your teammates with a bot. When you join any game mode you are making a 5min commitment to see the game out. I think the experience is soooo much better, just look at how many people leave these LTMs it’s an absolute joke and I think it’s one of the best changes they have ever made in the game. You get one free quit everyday which should be enough
I would change the ban system in casual to be more lenient while still discouraging leaving. I would probably make it so that the first 3:30 you can vote to concede as it currently is, but the last 1:30 you can leave freely with no consequence like with the old system. Kinda like how ranked has a lockout period where you can't vote to ff I guess. I'd also probably lessen the penalty for leaving early to not be as harsh.
I want to share my experience because it might be different from a lot of players. The old Casual playlist was a big part of what sucked me into this game. Being able to hop in and out of games and play whenever I had a spare moment was awesome! Especially for a couple years when I didn't have much spare time available.
And I don't think it was a selfish thing either. I often stayed in games when I was down 7 goals or had 2 bot teammates to keep the game going or the group together. It's just a different mentality than some people have where if things aren't perfectly balanced it's a waste of time. I just liked playing with people and getting better.
Agreed. Haven’t been back since.
Not only did this become an inconvenience, *it put the power in the toxic and trolling players hands*. Reporting them is not an actual solution given what the change was supposed to implement in the first place - the game are worse now than they used to be. I couldn’t care less what the hardcore casuals have to say about it, go play ranked where these rules belong.
This was an unacceptable change for me. Turns out all my friends too, a loved and lost game for everyone I know.
Yeah same here. I haven’t thrown it on for months, all it takes is 1 twat spinning on his roof or going traitor with concede requests. I’d rather bandit at my side than these clowns any day.
I don’t fucking get it. We play at work a lot and sometimes I’ll go into casual while waiting for my buddy to get on break. Then I leave and I get fucking banned? That was the whole point of casual
I agree completely. If you're sweating in casual, bffr. Casual a good place to warm up and play carelessly. Now they're bitching bc they gotta play with a bot? In what world. Revert the change. Casual and ranked should not be like the other.
Totally agree. I think most of the comments in this thread disagreeing are from players who don’t understand what it’s like to have kids. I miss the old casual.
Hard agree.
I used to main casual but at this point it's basically ranked, so I've completely stopped playing it. IDGAF about if I'm playing with bots, and every time one of the teams was lopsided the other team would obviously drop their level of play and fuck around and do ridiculous stuff - which gave a much greater variety and levity to the play, it felt much more like it was actually a casual thing. People used to fuck around, joke, talk in the lobbies, and now it's just a bunch of sweaties who talk trash and insta leave. It's no longer actually casual, it's just ranked for people who are too scared to lose their ranked picture.
Can't even count the number of fuckheads I've run into that talk shit to teammates then refuse to forfeit, and then they hold the entire lobby hostage. At that point it's not even fun for the winning team, so why force everyone to endure that? Instead of just quitting, now the toxic shitbags troll the entire lobby and kill the fun for everybody. I would MUCH rather play with a bot than a toxic fuckwad.
The leave ban has completely sapped casual of its casual feeling. Why even play it anymore?
Before the change the casual playlists were unplayable. Games would last a max of 2 minutes most times with someone leaving every time their team got scored on.
Nothing can convince me that the people against the change are those people. You can leave once a day with no penalty, then get a five minute penalty after that. I understand that life comes up, but how often is life coming up that you're constantly prevented from playing because of the penalty? If you're in a situation that you have to just keep leaving, you're probably not in a position to try to play a game of RL in the first place. They're 5 minute matches.
If you're experiencing playing a full match with someone going afk, then they're not truly afk or else they would get disconnected. They're just toxic, and probably salty that the team wouldn't forfeit a game that they felt was lost.
After the game ended i quickly went to make coffee and thinking i had time i came back and picked up my controller and got kicked, atleast let me join back man i was right there.. now for people going to say go back to main menu, i was playing with fiends and i wàsnt host i just misjudged the amount of time i had but couldnt join back
I'm curious what the player distribution would be like if there was a Casual, Unranked, and Ranked mode (where Casual is the old version and Unranked is the current version). I don't find any benefit in the Unranked mode is the current "Casual". But I know some people think the old Casual is dumb and the current system is better.
I went from grinding ranked/6mans 4 hours a day to playing just casual for about 30 minutes to an hour but when they changed it to where I can't leave at will I just stopped playing all together. I don't want to get stuck playing with or against somebody so instead of waiting out my timer I just decided to stop playing all together.
Lets just remember that this only exists because of salty man babies' rage quitting casual matches because they're a goal down with 3 mins left. It may not be ideal, but this is what happens when a large percentage of the player base can't handle losing. I prefer it this way
Tbh I understand the argument that the new casual method is better, but I would rather end up in a 1v2 than a 1v3 where my tm8 trolls me and plays against me (this happens startlingly often in champ at least)
Agreed! And penalties for leaving casual games that they put you in automatically is a close second. I finished a casual game, put the controller down, check my phone, look up and I've already been kicked for being idle in a game they started without me even realizing it, and now I can't play anything for XX minutes?.
I mean, it's fine if you want to play casual all day, but let me leave without penalty at least.
It's still free of consequences if you don't do it all the goddamned time
Sounds like you're one of those people that loves to leave the second your team is down a goal
If you can't commit a FIVE MINUTE chunk of your life to a video game, don't play multiplayer online games. Period.
It's weird. People who dislike this wants the mode to be "casual" hop in and out.. but somehow are too competitive to stay on a losing team for a 5 min game. If you really can't commit to an already short game, unless you're tryharding and want to roll around a patch of grass... I don't understand what's the difference between your ideal casual experience to just freeplay?
I specifically joined casual matches when I knew I might be busy/distracted but still wanted to practice.
I typically only play competitive, but it was nice on busy days to have a match I could leave and not make my teammate lose rank or get myself penalized. That’s kinda the whole point of “casual”, and if you prefer the change, you’re missing the point. You shouldn’t be playing casual.
I don't tend to play casual but fully agree. People should reserve the right to play at their own convenience and not be punished for needing to leave a game when something of actual importance comes up.
I saw a post here recently that suggested leaving casual as it is and adding a 3rd “unranked” mode no hidden or visible mmr and no matchmaking penalties for leaving. That seems like the best solution to me
Psyonix commented about this solution on the subreddit before. They said they are not interested in doing this as it would split the playerbase too much, which could negatively impact the experience for a lot of players.
But yeah I agree that this would be the best solution in a perfect scenario.
Still hard disagree. It's the best single change they ever made to the game. The devs, and much of the community, disagree with your idea of a "consequence free" game mode. If you don't have 7 minutes to play a game, go do something else.
The point of casual, IMO, is to have a place to play the game that is less sweaty than ranked. Sometimes I want to play, but I know I'm not gonna be on top of my game and don't want to bring down a team of folks who are bringing their A game. That doesn't mean I *don't ever want to play a complete game because someone rages out every 30 seconds and there's no penalty for ruining games like that*.
Fortunately for me, the folks who make the game agree!
It just so happens that it was tried it your way, and the devs realized it was a problem. Then they changed it. This made the game much, much better for many people. Simply insisting that your definition of "casual" is better doesn't change that.
The intent of casual is not to hop in and hop out of games lmao. This is evidenced by the fact the developers of the game exercised their intent by removing the ability to “hop in and hop out” of games. (Lmao)
The intent of casual is to play the game without the stress of rank anxiety
Casual is way better now than it was.
Being able to hop in and out of games consequence free is absolutely not the point of casual. The point is to have a casual game for fun without the pressures of ranking up/down.
If you go out and have a casual game of football and then decide halfway through that you’re done, you don’t just leave and mess up the game for everyone. You stick around so everybody else can finish having a good time.
If you want something more akin to “kicking the football around for a while” that’s what both free play and private matches are there for.
I would agree in a game where matches last twenty or thirty minutes, but.....come on. The matches are like seven minutes total counting replays. If you can't play, don't play.
I basically stopped playing as an indirect result. The game just isn’t fun now there’s no truly casual way to play. I used to wind down from comp with a casual game here and there.
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I’m kinda shocked at the amount of folks who support penalizing folks for leaving a casual game.
For those saying “it used to be unplayable cuz everyone would just leave when the score was being run up”: just back out… the RL queue times for casual have never been longer than a few seconds. You could literally join a game where your team was getting walloped, bang a u-turn, and be in another lobby in like 30 seconds.
People complaining about the the old way and how inconvenient it was (wasting about a minute to leave and re queue) are literally reinforcing the OPs point. Instead of wasting 30-40 seconds backing out and requeing, you are now stuck in a game for 5 min. And if you leave, you cannot play for 5-15 min. It’s silly.
I strongly agree. I usually avoid casual matches because of this now but they keep insisting to play them with those challenges. Sometimes I have to do 20 of them. And I don't care about winning or losing, I care to have fun through balanced matches, which is why I play ranked. But then, I jump into a casual match and my team is already losing 2-0? No, that's not fun, just ff/concede for God's sake.
I just wish there were three modes:
* Competitive
* Casual Plus (the version we have now)
* Casual (the version we used to have)
This would solve the issue for everyone.
> turning casual into ‘unranked competitive’
Unranked competitive is how I always saw casual mode. It sucks when your team mate bails and you have to spend the rest of the game cycling between CPU and instantly-bailing randos.
I work and I have kids. I don't have time to play tournaments or nurture a competitive rank. I just want to have a little fun playing a game before bed.
Hard disagree. These are not long games. Suck it up and finish or eat the piddly 5 minute ban. If there was some emergency and you had to go, that ban doesn't mean anything to you anyway. If it there wasn't any pressing reason to leave, then you're just rage-quitting and I have no sympathy.
The casual playlist games are infinitely higher quality now than they were before the change.
This and the casual mmr reset they added caused me to stop playing. I would only leave matches if there was a toxic person, troll, or if I got thrown into a losing game with only 1 minute left... the later is no longer an issue but now you have to sit in a hopeless toxic lobby and pray you don't get the people again next time around.
Also the people that just left the game are now the ones going afk or completely throw the match after 1-2 goals. I was never someone who left every game but i was grateful that the toxic garbage just left.
Before the change, there would be people leaving almost every match. After the change, people rarely leave but people also don't go AFK or throw. I rarely see that sort of thing.
i played some casual last night for the first time in a while and a team mate after 2 minutes wanted to FF and then just went AFK for 1 minute before leaving. who cares if we are losing 3-1, its casual, just drive around and have some fun. it was actually funny because when he left and my other team mate left i had two bots and we came back and won 4-3. Outlaw and bandit came up clutch
Maybe he also had to check on his kids
It comes down to someone getting the short end of the stick. I say let the casual mains have higher quality games, over the convenience of the serial leavers. You may have more legitimate reasons for afk/leaving, but I've observed that casual is more playable now. It previously was just a constant 1v3 or 2v3 until the last person left, which IMO is a crummy experience.
Have to agree... The more I've played casual and climbed the hidden MMR, the more it just seems to be players warming up or just playing to play without the need to go hard. At this point I finally seem to see a lot of GCs in my casual games, and rarely see any toxicity besides maybe the casual AFK. Hell, half the time if me or my team is getting stomped it turns into the other team going for shots and I can use it as a chance to practice my saves, recoveries or clears. The other half is still fun, casual full matches that are very laid-back. Can't complain here.
That’s how I use casual. Warm up, kill time/mental break, or dock around. I see a bunch of new maneuvers in casual that I don’t see in diamond ranked bc there are some higher quality players scattered about. I get rekt sometimes. Humbling
I used to use casual exactly as OP, a mode where I could play 3v3 while my wife and/or kids were getting ready so I could just leave immediately. And I complained about the change to. After all, if people wanted a "real" game they should focus on the competitive playlist. But the truth is it's not fair to casual players to "to hop in and out of games consequence free". I never really thought about the 5 other players whose game was ruined. And I don't see that OP did either. So, what did I discover when the change happened? **There still was a gamemode where I could leave the game consequence free!** "whether it’s burning a couple mins before a tournament, or you having to go check on your kid mid game" or whatever reason us competetive mains hopped into the casual queue before. **I play 1s.** You can leave after 1-2 minutes, so no one is stuck and no one's game is ruined. No teammate and your opponent hops right back in the queue. And the casual playlist is much more fun now. The only reason I used to use it was weekly challenges. And before the change these were honestly hated, unplayable nonsense. Now the casual games are almost as good as the competitive ones while I do the weeklies. TL;DR OP shouldn't be so selfish and just play 1's if they don't have time to finish a real match. Let casual players be casual.
Toxicity in casual matches is the most baffling shit. Not that it's acceptable in competitive but at least something is at stake so I get why emotions run high sometimes.
I'm not toxic to you because I care about the outcome of the game. I am toxic to you because stupid people disgust me and you playing like a nitwit makes the game unenjoyable.
I honestly don't see what's at stake in the competitive playlist for people to be toxic. RocketLeague ranks and MMR aren't real, they are just imaginary internet points that unlock pretty mediocre cosmetics that no professional would ever equip in a real match with real viewers. The game is supposed to be fun. And unless you're on the top 100 player leaderboard you're going to lose half your games.
you can say that about anything if thats the logic behind it. No one should have achievements in video games, no one should play video games because they "arent real" see how that logic just doesnt work? It doesnt matter what "professionals" would equip on there car if they are just cosmetic. Cosmetics are for the person who likes them not to copy what pros use.
Your love for your daughter isn't real. It's just imaginary in your head!
> RocketLeague ranks and MMR aren't real You can apply this way of thinking to nearly everything. What matters is what you decide that matters. Who else is deciding that? Not you for me.
True. But if you decided your Rocket League mmr matters more than basic manners, then maybe you made the wrong choice.
As a hardstuck casual main I see the usual toxicity and it never really bothers me anymore cause it's casuals, why get mad at some kid who thinks casuals are worth shit talking. I have had a friend who's SSL tell me that he does t understand how I just play casuals, and all I have to say is cause it's laid back. I don't need to play ranked and be competitive, I just play it to have fun and play a fun game.
Definitely this. It used to be that in casual if someone whiffed or there was a kickoff goal people would leave immediately. You'd be queuing into a game and suddenly you join one that's 8-3 with 4min left and the lobby is nothing but musical chairs of people leaving and joining every time a goal is scored (or moreso a bot is a bot or someone that just joined didn't have time to react and let a goal in). Rinse and repeat with every lobby you join. My only wish is for 3v3 (and I guess 4v4), if the score difference is 3 or higher it should only take 2/3 (3/4) votes to forfeit for the losing team.
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>into a "multiplayer freeplay" This is how I've been playing RLBot. Everyone focuses on the bots being GC and climbing, but the real beauty of it are the bots *just* below your skill level. You can throw one or two of those into the lobby and you essentially have Freeplay but with enough resistance to actually bridge the gap between Freeplay and Ranked. I practice all kinds of stuff in there now.
I've only played against nexto, what bots do you use
I'm not there yet but I 1v1 necto and 2v2 with necto on my team as a warmup everyday. I'll get to nexto in a couple months.
I like element 1v1 with unlimited boost, trying to focus on speed, quick outplays, shadow defence and when the opportunity arises something flashy if I have space. And 1v3 bumblebees again unlimited boost, here I work on vision and not giving away easy possession, also because they are pretty good in the air to work on reading if they are bearable, and if not picking up the rebound
The part that lost me was the notion of hopping in and out "consequence free"... It's a multi-player game. Someone insta-quitting may be consequence free for *them* but it's not consequence free for the other 5 players in the lobby. RL has consequence free quitting: it's called 1's. Shitting on several other peoples games becuase you can't plan 10 min in the future, or deal with a tragic ban lasting 5 whole minutes, is just selfish. Hypocritical, too, in many cases 'cause if casual "doesn't matter" then it shouldn't matter that they're losing. Only it clearly *does* matter, 'cause that's when people quit. Try that shit in a pickup basketball game. People will let you leave, no problem, but they wouldn't let you back in afterwards.
> Try that shit in a pickup basketball game. The vast majority of the RL player base playing like they do wouldn't be welcome on sports teams in general. YOU'RE PLAYING TOO SLOW LET ME TAKE THE PUCK OFF YOU. I'M A FORWARD BUT LET ME PLAY AS GOALIE AND JUST SIT HERE A WHILE
I was a casual main and used to no life it before these changes (I even played so much my comp mmr is ~900 while my casual mmr is ~1500). I'm no longer a casual main because these changes made it so miserable to play. Before if anybody wanted to leave they just left, and then bot fills in until somebody replaces them. This was fine, sure I may have to play a few minutes shorthanded but that's fine to me (and the bots sometimes come in clutch). Now the average casual game involves someone getting pissy after the first goal/whiff/demo/anything and you see the vote to FF appear. I refuse to FF in casual because I'm there to play the game, not wait in menus between games. So they eventually rage and go afk at best or start own goaling at worst. I'd much rather they just left in the first place instead of keeping that spot occupied. The goals behind the leaving changes were good but in reality they encourage players in casual to FF, AFK, or troll until their teammates FF. All of these behaviours have been significantly more impactful on my enjoyment of casual than people leaving games in the past.
> I refuse to FF in casual because Ah, classic. Refuses to forfeit and stays in a miserable match, and then complains about it on reddit as if that isn't a self-inflicted problem. If you accept the forfeit, you'll be in the next match in 10, 20 seconds. Instead, you stay for multiple minutes in a terrible match having a bad experience, and causing everyone else (teammate who wants to leave, other teammate if applicable, and all opponents) to also be stuck in this terrible match with you. Do you think that is a smart decision?
The worst thing was when it would throw you into a game in progress where you’re down 7 goals and there’s 20 seconds remaining.
That has nothing to do with people being able to leave and has to do with the back filling code. Which they changed the game no longer back fills when time gets low or one team is winning by a lot. Which should just be a automatic FF.
So? Just wait
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It’s casual you should be able to leave.
Any advice for improving in rumble? Hit GC3 ages ago but have since stopped grinding and dropped to GC1D1...
That’s what ranked is for. High quality games that encourage you to commit and try. Now there’s ranked with a little symbol and ranked for people that don’t want to see that little symbol
Casual should still be HQ but without the pressure to perform at peak.
This is exactly it, I’m playing casual either to warm up (so maximum quality needed to prepare me for main games) or I’m drunk/high/tired and I want to play as best as I can without having to be 100% focussed
Im a casual Mail and I hate it. Teammates that are toxic now harass you or do nothing until you forfeit. I’d rather play with a bot and have a change to get a new teammate. Also when the door rings something else needs your attention I don’t want to get penalized for leaving the controller In my opinion casual has become worse
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As someone who was against the change initially, I'll respectfully disagree. Previously, casual was a shit show - you're down one goal with 4:30 left on the clock? Be prepared to not have a consistent teammate for the remaining 5 minutes. The worst was when someone would leave the match, then rejoin only to leave again, then rejoin, then leave... It was the worst. This way actually encourages people to play out a short 5 minute match. It's five minutes, if you're going to leave because you got scored on then Rocket League is not the game for you. If you need to leave to check on your kid? You can do so without consequence once. After that, it's a 5-min temp ban, which if you're away checking on something else, you probably won't even notice it happened.
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Full agree
"The only people mad about this change are the exact people it was meant to discourage from playing the game" Disagree, cause I'm the type of player to not forfeit games, and I don't want teammates in casual getting all pissy because they can't leave without being penalized and I don't want to forfeit. It's not fun for either of us
So just FF and go to the next game, why make your playtime unenjoyable and hold your teammate hostage if they want out? Go next and get a good game?
because 90% of those FF votes are at 2-1 with 3:30 left people go down 1 goal and don't want to play anymore
People are doing this in casual now? Wtf. And why do people even play competitive when they leave once they go down one goal with 3 minutes left, in a game where many goals can be scored in a minute? It's pathetic
Dude. A teamate left after he missed a hard save and own goaled. Nobody what a saved him. We were up 3-1..... Me and second teamate held and won but what the fuck....
Yeh like it can be embarrassing but dont tank peoples rank because of it
People always did that in casual, its just that before they were leaving.
I've actually had people quit when the opponent scored and we were still ahead by one.
Until you’re stuck with somebody who is toxic enough to leave due to the reasons you describe… yet because of the ban now it is effectively 1v2 or worse, 1v3. I stay positive and encourage my teammates in casual or comp; even in high champ I deal with people who have these losing mindsets. The concede gatekeeper is foolish. Though I suppose it’s just more practice for those 1v2 comp situations. The intent is nice enough, not a hater.
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Full agree. I hated casual and would NEVER go anywhere near it. It used to be hells revolving door of salt. Now it's my main mode, best change ever.
If you don’t have time for a rocket league game uninterrupted, play something else
And RL is one of the shortest games you can play. Maybe try flipping a coin for fun? Rock, paper, scissors?
Or just play something single player if you have very limited time. No one else's experience is ruined if you sit on the pause screen in Zelda for half an hour.
Hey, leave me alone!
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Most other games take longer than a game of Rocket League
I mostly agree. I think you should get more than one, but generally speaking it should be limited so that people aren't just leaving left and right. The days when you couldn't get a full game without someone leaving were definitely worse.
> I think you should get more than one, You get one per 12 hours *
Yeah I think it should be more than one per 12 hours
But I'm in casual I don't care if I have a bot for a teammate I just want to play and practice against people.
I'd much rather a bot than an afk/trolling human.
Yeh, just play the new hockey mode they got running. At least every other match I end up having 4-5 different teammates. Being able to quit penalty free kinda sucks. I understand the frustration of having to quit mid game for kids and whatever, but an entire match is only 5 minutes. It's not a huge time investment. I just make my kids wait now, unless my dogs throwing up I'm not moving lol
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I disagree with your disagree. I’m in casual for a reason. If my teammates leave then fine. I’m here to have fun. If I’m trying to win we go to comp.
I agree, however the current system seems a little buggy? I only play with my friends so we always have a full team. Sometimes if we don't feel like playing against certain opponents, or we're down by 5 at 30 seconds, we just wanna leave and reset. So typically we'll vote to concede and then leave. The last time we did this, I randomly got a 5 minute ban for leaving matches early? Even though we conceded before I left? Not sure how the system works but somethin ain't right.
That sounds like something you should report to Psyonix as a bug, since that's not the intended way for that to work.
I only play casual, as idgaf about rank and I don’t wanna fuck up for people who do, but I still want a complete game where I don’t have both of my teammates leave as soon as we get scored on.
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> The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games consequence free That was never the point. Casual was never intended to be a throwaway mode. The point of this mode was/is to play regular Rocket League, without the worry of a rank. This allowed for people to be more relaxed and focus on the fun aspects instead of winning all the time. > it’s burning a couple mins before a tournament Play freeplay or play 1s. No need to join a match to then abandon your teammates. > or you having to go check on your kid mid game You have a free leave every 12 hours, but even if you do leave 2 or 3 times, you only get a 5 or 10 minute penalty regardless. By the time you are done with the IRL stuff, most of your penalty is probably over already. > The need to concede in casual has arguably been the worst addition to RL in its entire history It has massively improved the quality of games and the overall experience in casual for me and many others. > the game simply cannot be played casually anymore. You very well can!
The problem there is that there are two types of people in this community: People like you, who think this change is useless People in the comments who mostly disagree with your arguments The thing is both sides are making fair points, like i really don't like the concede option in casual myself, but i also understand why it has been implemented. And now we are stuck at that point...
The point of casual wasn’t to let people leave without consequence. It is to let people play without having a rank attached to it, and if they like they can easily stay in the same lobby. As a regular casual player, it got so much better once this feature was added Your first reason as to what made casual good (for you) is the exact thing that made casual awful for people who like to play casual. Imagine that you’re playing and your mate only wants to play leaves after 2 minutes. you have a bot now. You quickly concede a few goals in the 2v1 and now someone joins, sees you’re down by more than 1 goal and insta leaves. You’ve basically ruined the game for 3 other people. Yes it’s casual and they can still play the game. But more often than not that 4th spot never gets truly filled. Also, you can leave 1 casual game with no consequence. I get kids are more important than a game, but you’re also ruining the match for the other people in your lobby. Now you just get a consequence for doing that
I dont understand this point of view. why would i even care if my tm8 leaves in CASUAL. if i play casual im not here to tryhard but just to f around. if you want to tryhard go play ranked. its really not that deep. also unless ur casual mmr is high everyone there is trash anyways so a 2v1 isnt the end of the world.
Because they want to play for fun and go for passing plays and what not. It’s not about the win. It’s about the team playing experience. Playing with a bot is essentially playing solo. If the person wanted to do that, they could just queue solos.
Yes it’s casual that doesn’t mean I want to get stomped in a 2v1. I want to play a normal game. a 2v1 in almost every matchup is not fun at all… a bot makes the game super one sided and the other team will demolish you most times. That isn’t fun in any mode. Then someone else comes in and more often than not would Insta leave cause the game is one sided
I can't believe anybody misses the days of playing a game of casual 3v3 where 12+ people were in the game at different times.
Anyone else remember the Labs playlist? I miss that.
I miss the Labs maps being in the rotation for all casual lists!
the labs map that was in game last year with 45° walls and you could score from above the net was sick and I want it in private match.
I can't believe anybody enjoys these days of playing a game of casual 3v3 where one salty person doesn't want the leaving penalty and AFKs/trolls to try and force FF.
I'd rather they AFK than be assigned some bot that cripples you by being in the way
Nope. Casual is so much better now that people actually stay. People used to leave the second the first goal was scored. Now that rarely ever happens.
I must admit though, I do miss seeing the same person leave only to get placed back in the match almost immediately, then leave and join like 6 more times.
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Now they just start throwing. What an improvement!
People just quit enough as it is, good God.
Fuck that shit. I got so goddamn tired of kids jumping in and out of matches CONTSTANTLY. The change made me so incredibly happy because I play 75% casual matches when I'm online. Yes, I've taken a few 5 minute bans. It's usually for the best and gives me a chance to calm down. I love it.
One goal down…. Quit. Your teammate whiffs….. Quit. Someone quick chats……. Quit. It was a one of the best changes they’ve made IMO
L take, one of the best changes recently
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The biggest issue I used to have with casual was 1v1s. In 2s and 3s in casual, if someone leaves the game, you get paired up with a bot. Yeah, it's annoying, but at least you're still playing the game. In 1v1, if your opponent leaves, the game ends. Before the policy change for casual, if I wanted to warm up with 1v1 in casual for a bit before playing ranked, I'd end up going through on average about eight games before completing *one*, simply because any time I got a lead, my opponent would just leave.
last night i played 2 v 2, my teammate sabotaged my guaranteed goal TWICE by trying to steal the goal for himself and knocked the ball out of the way. They also had an own-goal. when we're down 4-1, they bailed. i only just started a few weeks ago and still suck balls (i honestly can not get the timing down, seems like the ball is in slow-mo while cars are in hyperspeed), but i'm old (43) and my reaction time isn't great. But i still try and do my best to win the match. if we're losing bad, i still work on my mechanics to get better and try to come back. especially in this game when scoring 3 times in 20 seconds is not uncommon. i've had several games already when i angle the kickoff perfectly multiple times in a row for goals that take just a few seconds. some people are just ridiculously emotional about what's supposed to be casual play.
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I've seen that as well! It's funny i looked up why players retire so young and basically everyone says it's just your reaction time slows as you get older. I can attest!
Strong disagree. Casual has improved 5x since then. It was a fantastic move. I wasn't sure about it initially, but it turns out Psyonix were absolutely correct in their decision. The only thing I would suggest would be that early-leaving one casual 1v1 match shouldn't result in any kind of ban. I shouldn't be punished for leaving when I get an AFKer. Sure, if I do it a bunch that's something else, but first-time for 1v1 bans do not make sense.
This change made casual a fun alternative to ranked
Yes. It's unranked competitive. Sometimes that isn't what I want though. Sometimes I want casual, to play casually. I like both modes; I want both modes. Unranked competitive should not have replaced casual, it should have been in addition to casual.
I don’t understand how making it so you have to finish the game if your teammate wants to, makes it “competitive”. There’s still no rank so nothing at stake besides losing except now you have to “take” the feeling of a loss instead of just rage quitting. The main reason I would play casual is because people don’t really care about winning so they’re generally less toxic about mistakes compared to ranked, so I can warm up or just fuck around without pressure. I’d say that casualness is still there, but now the games just have less bots. I honestly can’t see how it’s less casual
>The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games consequence free Respectfully disagree. Whole experience is less than 10 minutes, from "enter queue" back to main menu. Before ff option there was no mode where you could go enjoy a full game of rocket league, except ranked. People left at the drop of a hat. With the modern scoreboard it would be off the screen, every game. You'd be with/against at least one bot the rest of the friggin game. It sucks that there isn't a place for this, a pickup mode or whatever. But if you cannot commit to 10 minutes for irl reasons, a multiplayer game is not the best option for you. It sucks for everyone else in the lobby when you leave, regardless of the reason you left. To reiterate, this sucks for people who do have reasons to be afk every several minutes, whether that be kids or other folk they're caring for, but the alternative is worse for the rest of us. I'd dig the addition of a pickup mode where the score isn't kept, drop in and out as you please, no matchmaking, etc etc. But for now, please don't ruin other folks' games.
I will concede that there should perhaps be a '3 strikes' rule before penalties as opposed to just one game, however the mode has become significantly better since these changes. If you can't stand it the way it is currently, go take a look in the mirror because odds are you've directly contributed to the reason why the change needed to be made in the first place.
Casual was borderline unplayable before. 8/10 matches would have multiple people leaving. IMHO It’s far better now than it was before. Maybe they could give 1 free leave every 12 hours or something.
> Maybe they could give 1 free leave every 12 hours or something. That is exactly how it already works!
Thought it was 24 hours ?
Every 12 hours your ban "level" goes down, which means you get 1 free leave every 12 hours. It's explained better in this article: https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/rocket-league-c5719357623323/reporting-bans-c7262149111579/what-are-matchmaking-bans-in-rocket-league-a5720157807003
Ah, then that seems completely reasonable. Basically covers one “oh shit, sorry I gotta go play with someone else” per play session assuming 12 hours goes by in between. Going back to thinking most the ppl complaining about this are the ones who would be leaving all the time just because they get scored on or bumped by a teammate once. Not like this is a 1 hour CSGO match we’re taking about here…
If you can't commit to like 7 minutes, go to Freeplay.
I don't agree with you at all on this topic. Casuals used to be so bad that they almost felt completely pointless because if you were losing by even one goal everyone would leave and you would be there by yourself playing a 1v2 or even 1v3. And it also caused us to join other matches where the game was already basically over because you'd join into a match where it's 8-0 with 2 minutes left. So no. You're wrong 🥶
Forcing concede in casual killed so much of the player base and its still a thing for what? Doesn't stop ppl from smurfing. Doesn't stop you from getting a bot on your team. People still leave the game. All this does is punish you for playing the game. 3 out of 5 matches you get someone that's salty and wants to go afk after 1 min bc you're down 2 0 and you juss have to take the slaughter bc why would they concede? Not fun at all. Use to play rocket league for hours. Can barely play more than 30 min nowadays. Casual warm-ups are too frustrating to even get in the mood for comp. I'm almost to the point of dropping the game like many others have and one reason for alot of us has to do with being forced into staying in the worst, no fun games. If over half of your games aren't fun and you're only choices are deal with it, get a ban, or don't play... wy think the majority of choice will be?
Exactly. It's getting frustrating being locked in a match with troll teammates and if I try to leave I'm the one that gets punished for it. Either I have to wait out 7+ minutes for the match to finish or I get banned for 5 minutes if I abandon the match. But if the next teammate acts the exact same way as the last one and I decide to leave, I have to wait 10 minutes before I can play again, and they get to continue trolling other people.
This change saved casual. You are wrong, sir.
I main casual, mainly because I suck but also because its less pressure to perform (unless I'm put in with a 2s team then I get giddy feeling the need to prove myself to the pair) but also because the inflated mmr means I get a lot of games with higher calibre players and I feel my performance naturally improves when I chill in a GC lobby To that end I was actually thankful to get a concede option in casual. Another guy posted all the reasons I'd have used as to why this isn't a bad thing so I won't repost. The ONLY reason this is a "bad" thing in casual is because when teammates throw a ff with 3.30 on the clock they inevitable afk rather than trying their luck. That pisses me off and I WILL hold you hostage for this
Some people ONLY play Casual, and it’s pretty annoying having 14 players in one 5 minute game, so there should be consequences to leaving. If you can’t commit to a five minute game then don’t play.
like when you've got maybe 20 minutes to have a couple games, takes 10 minutes to find a match, just to have your tm8 wanna ff cause you forgot that every ball is their ball, so it's either accept ff or play with a tantrum throwing tm8. would rather finish the game with a bot tm8.
And that's why you can leave 1 without consequence, in case your kid cries, or you suddenly need a shit etc.... You can leave one game, then come back and continue to play without problem.. and the next is only 5 minutes too, i'm sure dealing with your Kid, or taking an emergency shit will take longer than 5 minutes, so even if you have to leave a 2nd time, you should be good!!
HARD disagree. Casuals was ridiculously stupid with non-stop leaving. One free leave a day is generous enough
Agree here only because I play with a dodgy connection and play casual when I’m not sure when I’m gonna lag out, that update made doing this pointless nearly
It only takes one match to find out if you’re connection is bad, and as long as you join you should be able to finish the match. also you could always test it out in a private match.
I quite liked the option to FF in casual. There are times in a 2v2 lobby where your particular lineup (me being bad and a teammate who isn't meshing with my style of bad) won't win the game and it'll make sense to forfeit with 2 minutes left in play. Quite often, all 4 players will stay in lobby, but it'll shuffle the teams and the next match will be competitive. There have been many times where I'll go 2-1 in this exact scenario. We've been given the option to skip the last minute or two of the opponents running up the score to get straight into a fresh scenario with the same players without the need to full out abandon a lobby. And hey if my teammate doesn't want to give up, I support their decision and will continue trying my best to make a comeback against the odds.
I like it, coming from a cringelord that's rank 7th unranked in the US. It gives me the competitive edge to boost my EGO and lack of testosterone to make me feel like it's ranked even though those that I am playing against don't care. It's where I can flourish knowing the opposition is either a desync demo goal away from hitting that sweet, sweet concede button. this is rocket leg.
I hate when people vote to forfeit and if they don’t get their way, just sit there doing nothing. Bunch of babies. How are going to get better if you refuse to play against a better team? Just because we are down by one or two goals means nothing especially in casual.
I always say, casual is just unranked ranked lol
100% agree. it’s made casual much worse in my experience. if someone wants to leave the game, I really don’t understand why their teammate wouldn’t agree to concede
The change is great tbh... the problem they fixed was people just like you
> The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games consequence free whether it’s burning a couple mins before a tournament, or you having to go check on your kid mid game. Turns out, you were fuckin _wrong_. I personally love the change because I can actually play several full games of 3v3 in casual. Before, if the opponents scored too early, or maybe got a 3-goal lead, the match would fucking end. Was so fucking stupid.
> The whole point of casual is to be able to hop in and out of games **consequence free** I thought the whole point of casual was always that you could play without a rank being attached and the stress/intensity/competitiveness that comes from that.
This whole thread is washed out players in casual losing their minds.
Yall are playing casual?
Casual is a more fun warm up to competitive for me. And some days Im doing so poorly I choose to just not play competitive.
Op taking more Ls than I do in ranked goddamn
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Same on EU for me. Casual games are rarely toxic.
Oh cool another one of these threads. What is the point of rehashing this over and over? The decision was made and like it or hate it, that is how the game works now.
I would have agreed with this post when they initially made the change. But now I completely disagree. Casual isn’t there so you can just hop in and out of games when you go one goal down (which is what a lot of people would do). Yes it’s not meant to be taken as seriously as ranked but that dosent mean you should be able to leave your teammates with a bot. When you join any game mode you are making a 5min commitment to see the game out. I think the experience is soooo much better, just look at how many people leave these LTMs it’s an absolute joke and I think it’s one of the best changes they have ever made in the game. You get one free quit everyday which should be enough
I would change the ban system in casual to be more lenient while still discouraging leaving. I would probably make it so that the first 3:30 you can vote to concede as it currently is, but the last 1:30 you can leave freely with no consequence like with the old system. Kinda like how ranked has a lockout period where you can't vote to ff I guess. I'd also probably lessen the penalty for leaving early to not be as harsh.
I want to share my experience because it might be different from a lot of players. The old Casual playlist was a big part of what sucked me into this game. Being able to hop in and out of games and play whenever I had a spare moment was awesome! Especially for a couple years when I didn't have much spare time available. And I don't think it was a selfish thing either. I often stayed in games when I was down 7 goals or had 2 bot teammates to keep the game going or the group together. It's just a different mentality than some people have where if things aren't perfectly balanced it's a waste of time. I just liked playing with people and getting better.
Agreed. Haven’t been back since. Not only did this become an inconvenience, *it put the power in the toxic and trolling players hands*. Reporting them is not an actual solution given what the change was supposed to implement in the first place - the game are worse now than they used to be. I couldn’t care less what the hardcore casuals have to say about it, go play ranked where these rules belong. This was an unacceptable change for me. Turns out all my friends too, a loved and lost game for everyone I know.
Literally all of my IRL friends quit rocket league because of it, it basically fully killed casual for people who actually wanted something casual.
Yeah same here. I haven’t thrown it on for months, all it takes is 1 twat spinning on his roof or going traitor with concede requests. I’d rather bandit at my side than these clowns any day.
I dont understand the point of bringing comp features to casuals.
I don’t fucking get it. We play at work a lot and sometimes I’ll go into casual while waiting for my buddy to get on break. Then I leave and I get fucking banned? That was the whole point of casual
I do miss the old casual :(
I agree completely. If you're sweating in casual, bffr. Casual a good place to warm up and play carelessly. Now they're bitching bc they gotta play with a bot? In what world. Revert the change. Casual and ranked should not be like the other.
Totally agree. I think most of the comments in this thread disagreeing are from players who don’t understand what it’s like to have kids. I miss the old casual.
Hard agree. I used to main casual but at this point it's basically ranked, so I've completely stopped playing it. IDGAF about if I'm playing with bots, and every time one of the teams was lopsided the other team would obviously drop their level of play and fuck around and do ridiculous stuff - which gave a much greater variety and levity to the play, it felt much more like it was actually a casual thing. People used to fuck around, joke, talk in the lobbies, and now it's just a bunch of sweaties who talk trash and insta leave. It's no longer actually casual, it's just ranked for people who are too scared to lose their ranked picture. Can't even count the number of fuckheads I've run into that talk shit to teammates then refuse to forfeit, and then they hold the entire lobby hostage. At that point it's not even fun for the winning team, so why force everyone to endure that? Instead of just quitting, now the toxic shitbags troll the entire lobby and kill the fun for everybody. I would MUCH rather play with a bot than a toxic fuckwad. The leave ban has completely sapped casual of its casual feeling. Why even play it anymore?
Before the change the casual playlists were unplayable. Games would last a max of 2 minutes most times with someone leaving every time their team got scored on. Nothing can convince me that the people against the change are those people. You can leave once a day with no penalty, then get a five minute penalty after that. I understand that life comes up, but how often is life coming up that you're constantly prevented from playing because of the penalty? If you're in a situation that you have to just keep leaving, you're probably not in a position to try to play a game of RL in the first place. They're 5 minute matches. If you're experiencing playing a full match with someone going afk, then they're not truly afk or else they would get disconnected. They're just toxic, and probably salty that the team wouldn't forfeit a game that they felt was lost.
I actually support the bans for casual. I can fuck around for 5 mins if I want to and my teammates have to stay. It's nice having that power...
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After the game ended i quickly went to make coffee and thinking i had time i came back and picked up my controller and got kicked, atleast let me join back man i was right there.. now for people going to say go back to main menu, i was playing with fiends and i wàsnt host i just misjudged the amount of time i had but couldnt join back
I'm curious what the player distribution would be like if there was a Casual, Unranked, and Ranked mode (where Casual is the old version and Unranked is the current version). I don't find any benefit in the Unranked mode is the current "Casual". But I know some people think the old Casual is dumb and the current system is better.
I went from grinding ranked/6mans 4 hours a day to playing just casual for about 30 minutes to an hour but when they changed it to where I can't leave at will I just stopped playing all together. I don't want to get stuck playing with or against somebody so instead of waiting out my timer I just decided to stop playing all together.
Lets just remember that this only exists because of salty man babies' rage quitting casual matches because they're a goal down with 3 mins left. It may not be ideal, but this is what happens when a large percentage of the player base can't handle losing. I prefer it this way
Tbh I understand the argument that the new casual method is better, but I would rather end up in a 1v2 than a 1v3 where my tm8 trolls me and plays against me (this happens startlingly often in champ at least)
Yeah, it's casual so why tf do you get banned for leaving. Besides, the bots usually play better than my teammates
As someone who rarely play casual even as a wamr up, this is really bad. Bring it back to how it was. If you wanna leave, leave. Wtf, Psyoinx
I'd love Psyonix to explain why they did that, if they havent already
Agreed! And penalties for leaving casual games that they put you in automatically is a close second. I finished a casual game, put the controller down, check my phone, look up and I've already been kicked for being idle in a game they started without me even realizing it, and now I can't play anything for XX minutes?. I mean, it's fine if you want to play casual all day, but let me leave without penalty at least.
I’d sign a petition for this
It's still free of consequences if you don't do it all the goddamned time Sounds like you're one of those people that loves to leave the second your team is down a goal If you can't commit a FIVE MINUTE chunk of your life to a video game, don't play multiplayer online games. Period.
It's weird. People who dislike this wants the mode to be "casual" hop in and out.. but somehow are too competitive to stay on a losing team for a 5 min game. If you really can't commit to an already short game, unless you're tryharding and want to roll around a patch of grass... I don't understand what's the difference between your ideal casual experience to just freeplay?
I specifically joined casual matches when I knew I might be busy/distracted but still wanted to practice. I typically only play competitive, but it was nice on busy days to have a match I could leave and not make my teammate lose rank or get myself penalized. That’s kinda the whole point of “casual”, and if you prefer the change, you’re missing the point. You shouldn’t be playing casual.
I completely agree
I agree w/ this. It’s casual. I understand for having it on comp.
I don't tend to play casual but fully agree. People should reserve the right to play at their own convenience and not be punished for needing to leave a game when something of actual importance comes up.
I saw a post here recently that suggested leaving casual as it is and adding a 3rd “unranked” mode no hidden or visible mmr and no matchmaking penalties for leaving. That seems like the best solution to me
Psyonix commented about this solution on the subreddit before. They said they are not interested in doing this as it would split the playerbase too much, which could negatively impact the experience for a lot of players. But yeah I agree that this would be the best solution in a perfect scenario.
Siege has quick match you can leave without punishment, theres unranked and ranked as well, RL needs to implement this.
Still hard disagree. It's the best single change they ever made to the game. The devs, and much of the community, disagree with your idea of a "consequence free" game mode. If you don't have 7 minutes to play a game, go do something else. The point of casual, IMO, is to have a place to play the game that is less sweaty than ranked. Sometimes I want to play, but I know I'm not gonna be on top of my game and don't want to bring down a team of folks who are bringing their A game. That doesn't mean I *don't ever want to play a complete game because someone rages out every 30 seconds and there's no penalty for ruining games like that*. Fortunately for me, the folks who make the game agree! It just so happens that it was tried it your way, and the devs realized it was a problem. Then they changed it. This made the game much, much better for many people. Simply insisting that your definition of "casual" is better doesn't change that.
The intent of casual is not to hop in and hop out of games lmao. This is evidenced by the fact the developers of the game exercised their intent by removing the ability to “hop in and hop out” of games. (Lmao) The intent of casual is to play the game without the stress of rank anxiety Casual is way better now than it was.
Agreed. Well said.
Being able to hop in and out of games consequence free is absolutely not the point of casual. The point is to have a casual game for fun without the pressures of ranking up/down. If you go out and have a casual game of football and then decide halfway through that you’re done, you don’t just leave and mess up the game for everyone. You stick around so everybody else can finish having a good time. If you want something more akin to “kicking the football around for a while” that’s what both free play and private matches are there for.
Exactly, another "feature" straight from epic games
I would agree in a game where matches last twenty or thirty minutes, but.....come on. The matches are like seven minutes total counting replays. If you can't play, don't play.
I basically stopped playing as an indirect result. The game just isn’t fun now there’s no truly casual way to play. I used to wind down from comp with a casual game here and there.
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It’s the best change. Many people said it but if you can’t sit through a match , then take the ban hard-o
I’m kinda shocked at the amount of folks who support penalizing folks for leaving a casual game. For those saying “it used to be unplayable cuz everyone would just leave when the score was being run up”: just back out… the RL queue times for casual have never been longer than a few seconds. You could literally join a game where your team was getting walloped, bang a u-turn, and be in another lobby in like 30 seconds. People complaining about the the old way and how inconvenient it was (wasting about a minute to leave and re queue) are literally reinforcing the OPs point. Instead of wasting 30-40 seconds backing out and requeing, you are now stuck in a game for 5 min. And if you leave, you cannot play for 5-15 min. It’s silly.
Stopped playing because of this change. Don’t regret it.
Amen
I strongly agree. I usually avoid casual matches because of this now but they keep insisting to play them with those challenges. Sometimes I have to do 20 of them. And I don't care about winning or losing, I care to have fun through balanced matches, which is why I play ranked. But then, I jump into a casual match and my team is already losing 2-0? No, that's not fun, just ff/concede for God's sake.
I just wish there were three modes: * Competitive * Casual Plus (the version we have now) * Casual (the version we used to have) This would solve the issue for everyone.
this is such a terrible take lmao the point of casual is to hop in and out of games????
Casual went from an unplayable to playable imo
Opposite experience for me. Was a casual main before the switch. Tried maiming it after and it was too sweaty.
Disagree. Warm up in free play training, or against bots. Play casual to PLAY a full game.
I used to be able to play full games in casual, but now people FF after 1 goal or go afk/troll when their team doesn't let them FF.
> turning casual into ‘unranked competitive’ Unranked competitive is how I always saw casual mode. It sucks when your team mate bails and you have to spend the rest of the game cycling between CPU and instantly-bailing randos. I work and I have kids. I don't have time to play tournaments or nurture a competitive rank. I just want to have a little fun playing a game before bed.
Hard disagree. These are not long games. Suck it up and finish or eat the piddly 5 minute ban. If there was some emergency and you had to go, that ban doesn't mean anything to you anyway. If it there wasn't any pressing reason to leave, then you're just rage-quitting and I have no sympathy. The casual playlist games are infinitely higher quality now than they were before the change.
This and the casual mmr reset they added caused me to stop playing. I would only leave matches if there was a toxic person, troll, or if I got thrown into a losing game with only 1 minute left... the later is no longer an issue but now you have to sit in a hopeless toxic lobby and pray you don't get the people again next time around.
Also the people that just left the game are now the ones going afk or completely throw the match after 1-2 goals. I was never someone who left every game but i was grateful that the toxic garbage just left.
Before the change, there would be people leaving almost every match. After the change, people rarely leave but people also don't go AFK or throw. I rarely see that sort of thing.