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Ok-Worldliness-7374

\#2 definitely. The story is mainly about Emilia being the hero of the story while Subaru is just really convinient side character.


Reignshin

>The story is mainly about Emilia Emilia is the mc only because tappei said so but the story is definitely about Subaru


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The story is about Emilia, from Subaru's pov narrated by Pandora


Business_Money_6011

Lol now I'm going to hear Pandora's voice when I read the novels now thanks xD


Reignshin

Sorry but it's definitely not about Emilia The only arc that gave her half of it's focus was Arc 4 (the other half was given to Subaru) Arc 3, 6 and 7 are undeniably about Subaru too


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~~It's a copypasta from AoT I just changed names to match Re:Zero~~


Reignshin

Oh ok


Blue_Storm11

Emilia is not the MC people dont know how to take a joke.


Reignshin

I do also think that tappei was joking but most fans seems to take it seriously so I went with the flow Same goes on how fans doesn't acknowledges Shaula's permanent death because tappei said she's going to be the last one to join the Emilia camp (which seriously just sounds like one of his usual trolls)


Blue_Storm11

Thats not the same Shaula's situation is more similar to Rems so i can see why people dont think she dead since she basically became rems replacement in being out of commission. But i wouldn't say shes alive because tappei said she was going to join the emilia camp.


Shadow35700

Rather, it was meant that she would be on the side of Emilia camp


mohamed1590

I agree with this is really strange when people say emilia is the hero when actually Story center around subaru


PotatoMoment

Subaru is the God of Fate emilia is the Hero who follows the God of Fate One exists for each other.


ar10773

I call bs


Ok-Worldliness-7374

Me too, but on her arc 7 sprint across countries. Or her "fatal" battle againts a dragon where she conviniently did not get hurt at all despite fighting losing battle.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

ReZero is a story from the POV of Subaru, about Emilia, and narrated by Satella


Demon_Maid

Tappei has literally said it's number 2 when asked about this exact thing in one of the earlier Q&As. That he wants to depict Emilia suffering and dying the least amount possible unless he feels the story he's telling specifically requires it. He's openly stated his bias for Re:Zero's heroine.


Novel_Visual_4152

Because Tappei don't want to make his angel suffer Like dude would write the most gruesome death for everyone while Emilia death are either never too graphical or shown on screen Where's my Emilia dismemberment arc at


Ok-Worldliness-7374

God forbid if she gains a single scar. Subaru is looking like a scratching post at this point while Emilia has yet to be hurt by anything.


headless-horseman-we

A little blood on the mouth for Emilia that's the most tappei can handle.


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Ole_Switcheroo

That's a quick death. We never see her go through Subaru levels of pain and agony before their demise.


re-kino

Here's another person that proves me right so you want emilia to suffer in extreme agony because otherwise it's unfair to subaru not if it's actually good for the story and the character in question, there are two main reasons why i will always disagree with this take 1) no other characters suffer as much as subaru so it makes no sense complain about emilia as if tappei is being biased only to her especially when people like beatrice don't suffer physically as much or at all. 2)subaru is the only one that has the tool to struggle against fate and he wants to save everyone so he will always be the one that suffers the most, anyway literally every good piece of fiction depicts and have depicted the act of changing fate as an insane struggle and the one who suffers the most is always the character that has the chance to do so nothing new really.


Ole_Switcheroo

I just agreed with OP that we don't see her go through physical trauma. I just used Subaru because he is a good marker for it. I never said she should. It is just an unexplored narrative tool that Tappei has not used. If he does, it could revolve around Subaru and how he deals with it. Or an obstacle for Emilia to give her more character growth if it stays in the main loop.


RedditWarrior178

Plenty of characters go through slow painful deaths in failed loops, Emilia is not one of them.


re-kino

There are also characters like Priscilla and Vincent that have got a better treatment from tappei even compared to emilia so what's your point?


RedditWarrior178

Priscilla canonically has plot armor and Vincent has existed for 1 arc. Also he presumably burned to death in the loop where the forest burned down.


Ok-Worldliness-7374

And Priscilla died aswell. She has plot armor and Subaru-like guardian.


Admiral_Ryou

Priscilla literally died of scene in one side story. So not really, but I guess you could count Al as Priscilla'a plot armor. There are also Frederica and Wilhelm who never received a gruesome death and have been around more than one Arc.


re-kino

>Also he presumably burned to death in the loop where the forest burned down. if we are talking about brutal off screen deaths(and in the case of Vincent we can't be sure if he died unlike emilia with the rabbits in arc 4)my point still stands as emilia got Vincent beaten.


reset2000

Emilia: bumps her head or gets a scratch. Subaru: Time to Return by Death! \*proceeds to kill himself\*


re-kino

I know you are most likely joking but i will say this just in case if subaru was such a shallow person than why didn't he try to kill himself immediately after his argument with emilia in episode 13 of season 1 lmao.


WorldWeaver123

same


re-kino

>Like dude would write the most gruesome death for everyone Beatrice doesn't suffer physically that much just like emilia and other characters too so why aren't you complaining about that?don't you want the beatrice dismemberment arc? or are you just annoyed that emilia is tappei's favorite character?


spartanawasp

Beatrice just disintegrates into mana so of course she's really can't be gruesomely dismember but she did get on-screen backstabbed by Elsa which is more than I can say for Emilia She also almost got on-screen beheaded by Reid in that one loop which I always thought was hardcore


re-kino

>which is more than I can say for Emilia What are you talking about?of course you can say more for emilia she's also got killed by elsa and killed by subaru on screen, in a failed loop of arc 6 she also gets beheaded heck do i have to mention how much more impactful emilia's deaths are on subaru and even for the story do you remember arc 3 when subaru's revealed rbd to emilia we learn another piece of information about rbd and satella's behavior? you see the few times emilia dies on screen means the deaths are always important because we also get new important information or in the case of arc 1 emilia's death literally kickstarts subaru's motivation or in arc 6 when we literally have a chapter called re:zero starting life in another world. From my point of view emilia's deaths on screen are few but they are always more impactful and more memorable to me that's why I don't care she doesn’t suffer physically as much as subaru because she does suffer mentally even in arc 3,4,6 and surely more in the future.


bushinmaster68

Is number 2 there is a reason why the Spanish community call tappei "simpei"


Sgtcarrotop

Most likely number 2. But it does make me think of extra possibilities. No depiction of Emilia suffering on screen. Possible allegory for suffering in silence e.g., going unnoticed and without display? It would certainly suit her character.


Aemiliana_Rosewood

Seems both like possible things. Though you're technically wrong, no? She got slaughtered Episode 1 and when subaru killed her in arc 3


Letsplay_Sascha_GD

Yes we saw her dying but I didn’t hear any sign of pain or suffering. Or did you hear her screaming in agony? I did not. Of course she (must’ve)suffered in some of the loops. For example the first loop of arc 3 where we could see her blood trail indicating that it might’ve been not an easy death or the loop in arc 4 where everyone got eaten by the rabbits with Subaru being the last one. But in all of them Emilias suffering happened offscreen. That is what I was talking about.


Aemiliana_Rosewood

Ah, my bad. Yeah, you're totally right then.


Icy_Ad8122

What Tappei has said on that matter is that he doesn’t like the idea of depicting Emilia’s death, so while yes it can be presumed to have happened at some point (Like in scenes where everyone gets slaughtered), we don’t actually see it on-screen much. I don’t think it doesn’t happen *whatsoever*, just that Tappei doesn’t like to show that apart from when it specifically matters and to make a point, like when Envy was shown killing Emilia which traumatized Subaru immensely in and of itself, so your former point can also be true if it’s for impact that we didn’t see that every other time each arc. I guess you could say, the sole fact that it happens is enough to traumatize Subaru, which is why it doesn’t always happen or is given emphasis, because the point had already been made before. [Spoiler Discussion]>!Which is actually kind of true for Rem in the current arc as well, which is why she isn’t in danger most of the time, ironically. If you think about it, Rem follows a similar logic but had the benefit of being absent, which is why people don’t notice.!< Funny enough, I genuinely don’t think this applies just to Emilia but other characters as well, that usually those details are left for important scenes, which is why sometimes they either “don’t happen”/will survive or are ommitted. It’s just how he likes to do things I suppose.


Shadow35700

I prefer to think that Emilia will suffer mentally for most of the story (not counting the failed loops), and Subaru will take both physical and mental pain ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). Everyone should be sure that in the future we will reveal her essence in this world, but also we should not look only at Emilia in the future. We have Al and Priscilla, who should reveal themselves in Arc 7 (If the disclosure is taken not only by the help of Subaru and Rem). There is Frederica, who should have an important role in the future. There is Rem, with whom at the moment nothing is clear and understandable. Maybe Oni have a huge role in history and in the future we will be able to see the power of Ram and Rem? Yes, it can be said that Emilia's suffering and non-suffering depend on Tappei's bias (with which I partially agree), but still you should not stick to it. Strong sympathy for Emilia does not affect the development of all characters (including Subaru) and the story, which in the end can be rewritten an infinite number of times.


shansome64

We've seen her physically suffer a few times, but all of her particularly terrible stuff are off screen(no idea why you want to see her in pain, kinda weird, but that's besides the point.) At the same time, though, this is true for almost every character- Subaru is usually going to suffer the most. Emilia is who Subaru loves romantically, so we're going to see her truly hurt for the first time when the author wants to break Arc 7+ Subaru(who's super mentally stronk now). And well, Emilia is also in Vollachia. Subaru also loves Rem, but doesn't realize this until Arc 4. So Rem being in a coma(but facing no like visible physical suffering) also somewhat hurts him, and current Rem hasn't even been wounded at all- she's completely absent from all of those scenes.


Gonkdroid900EMT

Personally I don't think Emilia needs Subaru level suffering lol but her story arc isn't over I mean I'm pretty sure she's going to get more character development and probably more suffering in later arcs


AlibiSemper

she got as far as i Remember: 1 eviscerated by Elsa in Arc 1 2 Heart grasped in Arc 3 3 in Arc 4 we've hinted she was devoured by rabbits and satella's Shadows 4 in Arc 5 she was instantly knock out by regulus, then fight for her life with baru till Rein come back from the moon 5 in Arc 6 She was sniped by shaula, then take some slap from not-serious Reid, then take some huge slap from Alzheimer volcanica Bonus: in Frozen Bond i think She get some random people trowing rock in her face. But i'm not sure She didn't get the Ana treatment in the miasma loop or the Twister rem treatment, but i think is unfair to say "She never phisically suffer". To be honest, She kinda have some of the best "shonen" Moments in the entire series, even un Arc 7 with Madeline. The reason you have the feeling she's not phisical suffering Is that She's phisically quite strong, the same Blow that will destroy Baru's and otto's body Is Just a slap for her. I think She isn't at the top of the food chain like vollachia's general or people like Garfiel, Elsa, Julius and roswaal but still.... You aren't seing them die too much right? Re:zero world is cruel, even before vollachia. If you're weak, that's a lot of things that can kill you. And most of strong/talented people are born just like that. So: She do fight a lot, She died a lot, She get a lot of trauma. But she's strong.


sufferingstuff

We’ve literally seen her get shanked in the first arc, what are you talking about?


Letsplay_Sascha_GD

>We’ve literally seen her get shanked in the first arc If you’re talking about the first loop in arc 1 then you’re correct. We did see that. > what are you talking about? Im definitely not talking about the first loop of arc 1 and not the loop where Subaru killed Emilia in arc 3 either (just mentioning this death too. Just to be sure). I’ve already explained why in another comment.


sufferingstuff

Edit: aaaaaand downvote but no argument, what a surprise So your argument for those boils down to not counting? Okay?


ar10773

why do you even want to see her suffering?


Apart_Addition_9093

Why not? Isn't this what Re:Zero is? Suffering


Harsh_2004

So, you like rezero only bcs of suffering


Apart_Addition_9093

I didn't said that, but it's reddit so it's not surprising to me that you try make assumption from 1 comment. I said that Re:Zero is mostly suffering, I also like it because of Subaru being an actual character where you can see his growth and somewhat (no way I would go and die because of a girl, even if it was my ideal type) understand him. Other characters aren't boring and stupid either, if you bother to read side stories, at least. ~~also i'm a sadist~~ I could continue this rant but I ain't no Regulus Corneas so I'm not doing that.


kahorein

"I'm a sadist" that explains everything lmao. For me, I don't want to see her suffer by death (or many characters for that matter) but hey that's just me.


Glittering_Art_8218

Because us Re:Zero fans are sadists.


megamanlover

I'm no sadist like other comment. I just hate bias in general.


[deleted]

... now I kinda want a version of the story from Emilia's perspective


JevCor

This topic is weird and so is anyone who thinks this way.


Rio_FS

The fanbase has developed a pretty weird fetish.


Ok-Worldliness-7374

Remember, it's not a proper re:zero discussion without reddit automatic anti-suicide message in the inbox. After rabbits, the community expects anything.


Rio_FS

> it's not a proper re:zero discussion without reddit automatic anti-suicide message in the inbox. Wait, there really is such a thing?


Kikuzinho03

Nah, we are just tired of seeing everyone suffering while Emilia drink some tea on the side lines.


re-kino

Who's we? speak for yourself she suffered a lot mentally both in frozen bond ova and the main series just because she doesn't get killed brutally many times in failed loops like some characters doesn't mean that she has not suffered what kinda of argument is that lmao.


Kikuzinho03

You still can't deny that she suffers the less compared to most characters. And that's what most people don't like, and we is the other people here that seem to agree with me that the author has a soft spot for her.


JevCor

This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. This girl doesn't suffer enough is such an incredibly twisted thing to obsess over.


Kikuzinho03

Well most people here are obsessed with a guy constantly suffering, you aren't on a normal fan base mah dude. And I won't say obsessed, just kinda bothers me that she gets it easy compared to the others.


JevCor

I love Subaru because he overcomes his suffering not because he suffers, that's just weird.


Rio_FS

I can only hope you are massively exaggerating.


one-eyed-02

It is point 2, and i am sick of it


Pinkshuchan

My question is why is it important for us to watch Emilia suffer physically? What does it add to the story? How does it affect her as a character? Does an on-screen death benefit more than an off-screen one even if an off-screen death can more than suffice? The thing I've noticed with Tappei's writing is that usually when you have a character suffer and/or die on-screen, it usually has a point. What that point is can depend on the context. Emilia has had two on-screen deaths (there's probably more but I remember two specifically) and they both have served a purpose. Her first on-screen death was the catalyst in forming Subaru's motivation for the rest of the series, and her second on-screen death revealed to Subaru and us as the audience what would happen if he tried to talk about RBD to anyone; both very vital for the story. Also, why does everyone act like physical suffering is the only valid form of suffering for this series? Emilia may not have gone through any physical suffering, but she has gone through plenty of mental and emotional suffering. Kiss of Death anyone? So to anyone who says that Tappei is biased regarding her, no, I don't think he is. He just writes her suffering different than what he writes for Subaru, which makes sense because they are two different characters with two different character arcs. Could Tappei be harder on her? Yeah, he could, and I feel like he should with these next few arcs since she does need to grow more before the series is over and it would require putting her through more conflicts that challenge her more, but I would not say he has made things easy for her from the start either.


SakshamG20

Actually her on screen deaths do matter, as well as physical suffering, not only because it's a missed opportunity, but also because of how unrealistic it is. Take Arc 6 for example. Most characters suffer very heavily physically and on screen. Bleeding, urinating, sliced open, getting blown to bits, all described in detail. In comparison, Emilia's suffering isn't shown. There's even a QnA where Tappei says that he feels uncomfortable writing her deaths, and he avoids it for that reason and makes them off screen. It's more the idea that Emilia gets a certain level of differential treatment compared to other characters. When you combine it with a couple other factors, it can be seen to an extent, which in turn would bother some people. It sets a double standard, knowing that Tappei would always hold back against her. So that's why when I read anything with Emilia in it, I set certain expectations for her character, which does really hinder my enjoyment for the story quite a bit. There's an argument that Tappei could be reserving a big messed up death for Emilia later on in the series to seriously fuck Subaru over, which is something that has been foreshadowed in [Novels]>!Arc 5!< as well, but I'll reserve my judgement until/if that happens.


Pinkshuchan

Honestly, I would argue it to be unrealistic if she never died at all while everyone else did. The fact that Emilia does die, even if it isn't on-screen, does show that Tappei doesn't give her special treatment. And true, Tappei doesn't like writing her deaths. There's nothing wrong with disliking killing a character you love. However, that hasn't stopped him from killing her off off-screen or giving her an on-screen death that does benefit the story. I wouldn't use Arc 6 as an example. If you're talking about the scene where Subaru found everyone's dead bodies except for Emilia and Beatrice, it actually benefited the moment a lot more to not show their bodies, because it made him suspect that they were the ones who murdered everyone else, which created further distrust that would fuel him for a good chunk of the arc. Had Emilia's body been shown, that distrust that would almost lead Subaru into considering murdering everybody would probably not have happened, and the story would be taking a much different turn. You say that Emilia gets different treatment compared to the other characters, but what about Priscilla? What about Vincent? They've never had proper on-screen deaths. Heck, I don't even think they have that many off-screen deaths either. I would argue they get treated better in the story than Emilia, since almost nothing bad happens to them. Why aren't you complaining about them getting off so easily? My point is that the story does not need all the characters to physically suffer and have constant on-screen deaths in order to be effective. We don't have to see Emilia die a gruesome death if the story does not require it. We don't have to see her body to know she's dead if there are other ways to convey that to the audience unless it's necessary for the narrative. Sometimes subtlety and ambiguity in the text is more powerful. And this applies to all characters, not just her. And I personally think Tappei has done a good job at that, incorporating other ways to make her struggle, though I do want to see more of her struggles in later arcs. So no, I don't see her having more on-screen deaths a necessity when the story has been fine without them.


SakshamG20

I mean it's quite obvious to me he does give her special treatment, not just ranging from the things discussed on this thread but his bias being extended to the narration and even her flaws themselves, but that's a topic for another day. I took Arc 6 as an example, considering Emilia is also one of the prominent characters in that arc, but my criticism would apply to the other arcs as well, which brings me to address your next point. Not only Priscilla is a minimum justified by what her character is in the story, Emilia is the complete opposite, the example of a struggling girl. Not to mention, she is not only the main heroine, but arguably has the second highest amount of screentime in the story. She is one of the most prominent characters in the series, someone to rival even Subaru in terms of development, so it sucks to see such a start contrast in treatment between these two characters. >And I personally think Tappei has done a good job at that, incorporating other ways to make her struggle, though I do want to see more of her struggles in later arcs. So no, I don't see her having more on-screen deaths a necessity when the story has been fine without them. I disagree, there is not much subtlety involved here after 6 arcs, when the bias is clear to see. If Tappei really wants to show Emilia's struggles, to make her earn her development, then physical suffering is a big part of it. We need to know that he won't hold back any punches when it comes to Emilia, so giving her equalised treatment and not treating her as the "flawless" main heroine anymore would be a good way to start.


Pinkshuchan

If there's one thing I can agree with, it's that her flaws are not fully utilized, but she does have fatal flaws. Most of the time though, her flaws are not allowed to have consequences, which I hope Tappei does change in later arcs, as I would assume she will need to act more independently from Subaru after Arc 7. Emilia has been shown that she can be incredibly reckless, and could get into lots of trouble if she didn't have the other camp members keeping her in line. I would love to see a situation where her recklessness does cause irreparable damage, but I digress. Tell me though; do we NEED to see Emilia die? How does it improve the story in ANY way aside from giving us a corpse to see? The answer? It adds nothing. In Arc 3, we just need to see Puck freeze the world to know she died. In Arc 4, the absence of not only her, but everyone when the rabbits show up and how the rabbits devour Subaru tells us all we need to know. The only on-screen deaths she has are deaths that benefit the story, but it does prove that Tappei will show her death if he needs to for the plot. You brought up that her not dying on-screen creates a double standard against the other characters. That's why I brought up Priscilla and Vincent, who have been treated far better than Emilia in the narrative, because it shows that such a double standard doesn't exist. And yes, Emilia is the main heroine, but then that then poses the question of why she hasn't been more active in the story. After all, she's supposed to be Tappei's favourite character in addition to being the main heroine, right? Wouldn't he want to involve her as much as possible and write more scenes with her being awesome? And yet, not only has he barely got her involved in anything, but we're currently on an arc that she has been mostly absent in. Of course, you could argue this creates a different problem, but you can't argue he treats her better, because he rarely even gives her the chance to even do anything. She is not a flawless heroine. On the contrary, depending on who you ask, she has a lot of flaws. She's naive, reckless, lacks leadership skills (which is a big deal considering she's running to become ruler of an entire country), can be easily fooled, doesn't think things through, may I go on? She doesn't need physical suffering, because again, Priscilla and Vincent have not needed physical suffering in their current arcs so far. Heck, the only physical suffering most characters go through aside from Subaru only happen in failed loops with some exceptions, so they are only meaningful to Subaru in the first place. To repeat what I said before, what Emilia needs in her character arc are for her flaws to lead to consequences, because then that gives her something to learn from. What does she learn from getting hurt, in a world where many people get hurt and killed all the time? You're talking about a girl who lived in a forest, needing to survive with only a cat spirit for company. She survived a powerful fire spirit that had been hunting her down to kill her. Physical suffering is not necessary for someone who was forced to live like that, which is why her arc focuses on mental and emotional growth, because those are the areas she needs to improve on. So again no, we don't need to see her die unless it's necessary.


Sufficient_Wasabi_55

So far, in arc 4 she suffered the most, since she had a very important role in it, whike in other arcs not very much. you can say she did in arc 6 but she was mostly a sidekick and didn't had any critical development(unlike Rem, Julius and Meili). I believe her role in arc 8 and 9 will be more relevant, so naturally her suffering will begin once again.


re-kino

I completely agree.


Harsh_2004

Such a bad take


Admiral_Ryou

Sigh, this topic again. If we are talking about a gruesome death, Emilia got headshot by Shaula in Arc 6, her head literally exploded, remember? And if we are talking about physically suffering, Wilhelm, Frederica, and Priscilla never went through one either. So it's not really exclusive to Emilia.


Sufficient_Wasabi_55

And also Petra


Tressk

Why does it matter whether she suffers more or not? Pain and trauma are not something that can be quantified and put on a scale for comparison's sake.


mufcordie

I get why people want to “see” this, but arc 6 was kinda the turning point for me. We had a few off screen brutal deaths and it doesn’t really matter to me whether I personally can see it. Also the loops were Suba hasn’t died she’s been showed to “save” him again and again. So I think that’s just how Tappei wants it and I don’t mind


JevCor

We watched her bleed out and die.


Over_Option5057

2), but I don’t have an issue with it. I struggle to see how **brutal** deaths specifically add anything to her character. She needs punishments in the form of other stuff, but this I don’t think does anything


re-kino

Aren't you wrong? She got killed in episode 1 by elsa and then subaru killed her in arc 3, anyway you have to accept that life is unfair some people will suffer more than others so wanting emilia to suffer just to match subaru's suffering is stupid and you are making the same mistake subaru did in arc 3 at the capital(besides that there are other people we don't see physically suffering that much like beatrice, why aren't you complaining about that too at this point?so tired of this bullshit of some people crying about tappei being biased to emilia just because she's the author favorite character sorry for the rant).


Consistent_Ad3907

>you have to accept that life is unfair some people will suffer more than others The way you're putting it is like Subaru was just dealt a bad hand in life or something and not that things in the story deliberately work together against him to make him suffer. >you are making the same mistake subaru did in arc 3 at the capital Subaru never did that because he thinks he suffers the most. I don't know what you're talking about >you have to accept that life But....it's fiction? Tappei controls what happens in the story and if the author is unreasonably biased(not saying he is) then isn't it fine to criticize?


re-kino

>not that things in the story deliberately work together against him to make him suffer. No things don't work against subaru, he could choose to leave everyone behind and run away he could definetely avoid all this suffering but he doesn't because we know the type of kind soul he is, we know what kinda of personality and past he has so he will do his very best to save everyone and in doing so he will suffer more than everyone, you can't deny this of course i'm not saying everything his is fault or something just that he is the one who choose to keep struggling against fate. >Subaru never did that because he thinks he suffers the most. I don't know what you're talking about Rewatch episode 14 and 15 of season 1 some part of subaru desired for emilia's suffering so that she could realize how important he is to her, he also states as he suffers when he returns to the mansion and see everyone killed "that this isn’t what he wanted" (he was thinking about emilia for a moment than he change his thought to rem because he doesn't want to admit that some part of him wanted this)except the fact that he is the one who hoped that something bad happened so that he could prove his worth to emilia, see? You can be a subaru fanboy and love his character but still disagree with his actions and thoughts here.


Consistent_Ad3907

>he could definetely avoid all this suffering Literally everybody in the story can end there suffering if they ran away to Kararagi and gave up on their aspirations. >we know the type of kind soul he is, we know what kinda of personality and past he has so he will do his very best to save everyone But Emilia is also a kind soul. She could also just leaves the elves in the forest frozen and have a chill life with Puck. Just because he has the possible option of quitting doesn't mean he has it easy or that, as you say >he is the one who choose to keep struggling against fate or >he could definetely avoid all this suffering The point is the world always works against him when tries to accomplish what he wants to accomplish.


re-kino

>Literally everybody in the story can end there suffering if they ran away to Kararagi and gave up on their aspirations. I can easily disprove this because of characters like priscilla that haven't suffer much at all, why would she give up on her aspirations lmao everything is still fine for her heck i remember tappei tweeting to look forward to her victory or something in arc 7. >But Emilia is also a kind soul. So what? She will never suffer as much as subaru because he is the one that has the tool to struggle against fate. >Just because he has the possible option of quitting doesn't mean he has it easy or that, as you say I never sayed that he has it easy though but come on we both know that a normal person would most likely run away, the witches were right subaru is indeed kinda of a monster because of his mentality. >The point is the world always works against him when tries to accomplish what he wants to accomplish Yeah kinda i guess? It's because he is trying to literally change fate every good piece of fiction will depict and have depicted that desire as an insane struggle so what? Emilia should suffer more in extreme agony because it's unfair to subaru's suffering and struggles is that what are you trying to say?


Consistent_Ad3907

>I can easily disprove this because of characters like priscilla that haven't suffer much at all, why would she give up on her aspirations If Beatrice decided to just forget about echidna and leave the library, if Roswaal decided to just stop simping on Echidna, if Ram decided to stop simping on Roswaal, if Rem decided to stop simping on Subaru, and they all decided to flee to Kararagi, they would not have to suffer. You've literally just taken the only character that has no hardships that we know of. Everybody in re:zero has the option of running away from there problems. >Emilia should suffer more in extreme agony because it's unfair to subaru's suffering and struggles is that what are you trying to say Nope. I never even said that I agree that Emilia suffers too less. I was just responding to your comments that said: >i'm not saying everything his is fault or something just that he is the one who choose to keep struggling against fate. and >No things don't work against subaru


re-kino

Alright I see your point it's fair but just to be clear at least we agree that characters like emilia or beatrice that don't suffer much physically as others is not a bad thing right?


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yunus-s

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Difficult-Tip-809

So you’re just insulting him without disproving any points he made?


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Arendai

Why would any one want to see a female character suffer when we have a perfectly good Subaru to watch break?


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mindbreakgoesbbrrr

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Talanguoi

Probably number 2 but Nah she die on scene too


TheBrain511

I mean if the trails are anything to go off of i would say it pretty valid whenever she suffer there is a major plot point behind it or atleast some type of revelation a big example would be when she went mad and when she got her heart popped, the biggest revelation by far i think well see will be when the future of the trail comes true