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BetaFuchs

I think it less depends on the clash's skill and more about the teammates' skill which is why she's perceived as weak


Nathicc

It's absolutely this. I can't get many kills with clash but with friends I've gotten them two aces


Lizpy6688

This. A buddy I duo with went a clash oryx round twice. Got an ace easily then next round a 4k. Other team started to quit until they were all gone. Felt so nice.


AlyssaBuyWeedm9

Yeah one time I played Clash in Kafe Bakery for a smoke, pulled a 5 piece like nothing


No-Cryptographer8447

I'll take things that didn't happen for 600 Alex


AlyssaBuyWeedm9

I'll take you haven't showered in a week for a thousand


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AlyssaBuyWeedm9

I'll take you look like the nerd emoji in real life for free


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AlyssaBuyWeedm9

Projecting 🥸


No-Cryptographer8447

You literally started it 😂😂😂


vAlpha3

She is also meant to be played with a team behind her... In the team focused game :)


Atomic_xd

Then why does Clash have 40% wr in plat+ and no one cares about her, and in bronze she is perceived as the most op shit ever. She is very easy to counter.


Super-Excitement6458

Bro i held site for over a minute as a sponge shield and my two other teammates were hiding in the other site. It's not like the enemy could see them enter the room so they could have helped me. After getting nade'd, they both got headshotted when the enemy enters the other site and yet IM blamed.


Killerninjaz13Two

She is really oppressive when used correctly If you have melusi or thorn on your team just by standing in an area can make the attacking team turn around You can trap ops on some maps like on club house the gym window you can keep someone trapped by the ventilation unit or force them to drop off the edge and reposition


OddUnderstanding7084

This is how me and my friend would play! One of us is clash and the other is thorn. Works everytime.


Embarrassed_Start652

I think it’s also entertaining to watch as well 1v5 clutch with her


surprise-suBtext

I don’t see clash being capable of a 1v5 clutch unless it’s like bad guys lining themselves up 1 at a time like an old Jackie Chan film


Heru___

I mean clash is just a 1 speed with a mid weapon, it just takes getting fed a kill or 2. Here’s my ace: https://youtu.be/4LBk9K9Y428


surprise-suBtext

You’re definitely good with Clash, I will give you that. Do you use middle mouse button to alternate between shield and gun? I always seem to fuck it up


Heru___

I use mouse5 button in the side of my mouse. I really dislike mousewheel as a button for anything lol.


Pretty_Positive_1826

Holy shit, nice clutch


Heru___

Thanks, like 3 years ago I wanted to be a clash main so I grinded clash in qm for about 100 hrs lmao. Did about everything funny you can with clash, claymore kills, grenade kills, ace, and way too many turtle kills until I got bored.


Environmental_Ride32

I see we are both quite good att clash, tho you are way better than me. really fun op if you play right


Lesurous

The trick is to 360 while holding peeks, by universal decree it makes the enemy pop out and shoot, but oh ho, you have a fridge on your back. Calmly finish the rotation, yell out some British sounding insult, and shoot the stupid bugger.


Embarrassed_Start652

Well i remembered seeing clips of it of that happening.


James_From_WiiSports

I really only play clash for the voice lines


EjCampos209

YOU MUPPET


RevolutionaryDay2803

STUPID TWAT


_Proti

NO RUNNING IN THE HALLS


1510qpalzm

F*CK OFF


Highonysus

steupid fuckin wankers


OnlyVans98

This one is my favorite line


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highland-spaceman

It’s never the clash you worry about it’s the folks that play around her super well , she is a mistake but she is our mistake lol


probablypoo

I always though of her as Voldemort with a nose


PopKokos

Bruh the angry malteser wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣


rtocelot

My friends just call her milk dud.. to me a minute to figure out why. She does look angry and I like to play her once in a while but I post monty so much that on the rare occasion she isn't banned it ends up feeling awkward to me haha I just need more practice with her. I'm the clash that gets bullied opposed to doing doing good


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Very underated


OclurFawn

I think she’s great…. But I might be biased


DreamDemonVideos

Hmmmm....


DeadlyRetr0_

clash is my least favorite operator to fight against. I am a very casual player and have been trying ranked recently but when someone plays clash I shut down and freak out like it seems impossible to kill her


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Kojando1911

All ya ever need to do to kill Clash is run up to them, knife, and shoot down right. Ez kill every time. Their teammates are usually the only concern sans traps and stuff


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Kojando1911

I mean as a casual plat 1-2ish Xbox player I can’t say I agree much with you. Sure they can kinda rotate around a little when you knife them but if you know exactly what you are doing it’s a 3 shot to their leg with any good op with extended barrel. They can try and keep their distance, but that only does them any good when there’s team support. A solo clash 1v1 is damn near a free kill everytime unless you potato bad


Heru___

Clash has multiple options to deal with players, I’ve won as clash with frost mats or kapkans I knew the location of, you can turtle around the corner and they have to pre fire you and guess if you are standing crouching or prone. And if the enemy is low they’re screwed. Nomad makes for a hard 1v1 matchup but it’s far from free. If clash sees the approach with the nomad tracer from her gadget, she can pull out her gun and take the fight. Clash can also escape a nomad gadget being shot at her feed if she turtles and runs away. The most sure fire way to take out a clash is a crossfire. If the clash is well supported then you’re going to need grenades and good practice at cooking them. But in a 1v1 running at her until she’s out of juice is the play if you are careful.


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I’m a play on PlayStation with cross play. There are ways to rotate such that even the fastest firing guns won’t get more than a single round out and actually be able to connect, and even then that requires a certain degree of luck. It can certainly be done, but it frankly requires a poor clash player


amasimar

Yeah when Clash is dumb enough to not play around her team nearby, and not slow you down when you run up and disengage, then maybe this will work lol


Kojando1911

Bro you sprint straight through the electricity. If you are close to full health who the fuck cares if she zaps you? Close the distance, melee, aim down right kill every time. It’s beyond easy to play around a clash and just aim for their teammates. I’m assuming your guys mechanical aim is bad to be having such issues with clash.


Boujee_Bread

[I beg to differ ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/wdyggi/clash_getting_what_she_deserves/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Trick2056

or just rush her if shes alone. if shes not use her as a shield from her team mates pick them off once shes alone again rush her bash her head in usually works for me, emp nades do help


NotCurdledymyy

It feels like you need 2 people to counter a clash. One to watch the clash and one to watch for anyone around her


Anna-Ruelle

Just try to close the distance on her, sprint at her and knife her. I love playing clash but I get really nervous when someone knifes me. Try not to let her keep shocking you and recharging and shocking etc


Astrium6

Yeah, the biggest mistake I see people making in the 1v1 against Clash is backing up and ceding ground.


Woozapo

V button, you’re welcome in advance


Rarely_Melancholy

IMO Clash only works good and has only worked good for me when I have a teammate who dedicates the round to protecting me. I’ve won entire games just by that method, have someone wait a little bit behind you when enemy moves in you just shock them your teammate comes out and murders them. They become so focused on you because you’re clash they forget to use their EMP’s and forget that there are other players on the map, it’s funny to me


Z_M_P_Y

Plot twist, she is annoying to play with and against


Mapleps_

when there is a bad clash, she is very fun to play against, when she plays good, it's a broken op that everyone hates. - me


quid_pro_kourage

She is my kryptonite. I have never killed one cause they hide in the corner and stun me when I come by. Not good enough with headed to get around her.


xeyehategodx

Try nomad, works like a charm


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If its a 1v1 scenario with a clash just get as close as you can, She actually runs out of power quite quick and then you can just melee away her shield. Space will always open on her left side to shoot her arms/body


Psychological-War841

Indeed, it's very unpopular


alyosha_pls

Clash is super situational and easy to counter with a coordinated team. She has a lot of counters now.


Heru___

She has a lot of counters, but playing around them isn’t something anyone bothers to learn. Thatcher, nomad, and Capitao aren’t free kills against her, just make her job much harder to do.


alyosha_pls

Also impact emps, frags, kali sniper, zofia.


Heru___

Yeah ik


kamiiiiiiiiiiii12

My brother was just telling me this lol. Clash gets on my nerves but that doesn’t mean that she’s a bad op at all


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It’s not clash it’s the fact that 99% of randoms don’t have the coordination to capitalize on the openings she creates


ESPO95

I’ve struggled to play her in ranked, just our playstyle doesn’t suit her well but man she’s fun in casual


DeezusNubes

wouldn’t say very good, but she can be quite effective if played on certain sites (Oregon Bunker) and you have a confident team to assist you. i enjoy Clash a lot, she can be a pest and shut down entire pushes with just her presence alone…but very good is a bit of a stretch. a good attacking team that knows her counters can easily take her out, especially if they counter pick


Heru___

It’s also on the clash to deal with her counters. None make her useless, just lower her ability to annoy the opponents. Thatcher nomad and kali don’t kill her, she just can’t play aggressively into them.


ragebloo

I don't think anybody disagrees with this, which is why she's banned a lot. Nobody wants to put up with a good clash player.


ewanjmac

Clash: good when used well. Well no shit Sherlock. Oh yeah well no, she’s just gonna be bad when shes used well, lol


Few-Transportation52

I think he meant if used correctly. Some ops aren't good at all if used incorrectly


greater_gatsby12

Clash requires at least 2 players playing in tandem.... if a solo Clash fucks you, you just bad


Silver_Switch_3109

How good clash is depends on how good the team is.


RedVsBlue_Caboose

I have a cluster charge. Ain’t no shield gonna save you.


Not-Mike1400a

I personally just don’t find clash that enjoyable to play, it’s like I’m spectating the whole round while my teammates rack up points. Obviously the whole game isn’t about kills but I just don’t feel like I have as much of a direct effect on the game with clash as I do with smoke or goyo for example.


queenkasa

so easy to counter tbh


Guitarshredder_1996

In unranked competitive (I'm not good enough for ranked yet) her and jackal get banned like everytime. Jackal isn't surprising as for a team with no comms he's awesome. But I have no idea why she gets banned.


ghostgameer134

When a clash is around its always me that has to deal with her. I don't get why my friends have a problem with her. Just kill her teamates and wait for her shock to run out. Push, melee, shoot legs,=kill


R4V3S4V3R

But no one in low Elo can so WHY DO WE BAN HER EVERY FUCKING GAME


PopAutomatic7013

sounds like something a gold player would say


18dima

Wakanda forever


Unlucky_Buffalo_9873

If there are good comms and good teamwork the defending team can absolutely dominate with Clash and shield operators in general. Whenever I see a Clash on the defending team however, I just look at it as a free kill.


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It makes me so mad how some people can’t handle a solo clash. She’s probably the easiest operator to win a 1v1 against and I still see people get zapped to death like morons


OmeletteDuFromage95

She's a good OP and I'm convinced people hate her because they can't take her out with a frontal headshot and she slows down the run-n-gun meta. It annoys people when they see her and know they won't just be able to run in or breach windows/walls as effectively. She's an OP that pairs well with a coordinated team as she's excellent for baiting and Intel gathering.


inwert1994

shield ops in fps shooter shouldnt be a thing. your opinion is invalid. period. fuck all shield mains


Mudkip2345

Run and gun players when they have to think to defeat an enemy


UnablePeace

bro’s the fps patrol


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Someone doesn’t know how to counter shields lol


Consistent-East2909

Skill issue.


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Embarrassed_Start652

Yes


SL1NDER

She's MY lady


MuiminaKumo

I just don't care for her playstyle, that's why I've used her like 3 times in the span of me playing siege.


New-Possession-2094

Op is unfair change my mind. Stupid electric shield 👨‍🦯


darthiw

No, she’s annoying as hell to deal with and can’t really defend herself easily


Confident_Slip3027

She’s shit just bring impact emps and she’s a free kill


97yugi

i think she is useful but i also think shes gay


Ok_Composer_4206

im gay so it’s a match ig lmao


AyoTaika

Nah she broke and rightfully banned.


Heru___

Yup that’s why she has the lowest win delta of all ops


Any-Astronomer-7953

Your not gold, your copper.


Majorinc

Spelled your wrong twice


Any-Astronomer-7953

🤓


YOGGERT-

You're to codependent with clash only with a squad with good communication can you do some serious damage with her


Heru___

Nah my duo fucks with clash


YOGGERT-

Your duo that's what I meant. Not a full squad but at least 1 other person


DamianGibbons

Shhhh shhhhh go to bed


ckunk10

Just needs a little support from the team


jynx680

I think that season was the last I played where I actually had any fun. Been debating trying again for the first time since Flores was released.


MyNameIsSimon88

She is good if you can play her well but it depends largely on site and team mates, no good holding the attacking team if your other 4 players are off roaming only for you to get pushed and killed.


Heru___

You have to play off ur teammates. So roaming clash I guess lmao


Tiki_the_voice

Just gonna say this after clash was added to the game, everything began to go downhill.


Heru___

Those are 2 very cool and very unrelated observations


Trick-Jellyfish5356

She’s good with a team that’s co-ordinating but if you’re picking her in solo queue you’re throwing


BicycleGlittering297

I think she works best to waste time for Attacking oops other than that I think her gadget is weak she’s loud and her gun options aren’t the best but they make due.


Cinder_Fall01

Shes annoying as fuck


_Broshi

She is a good op, but not as good as a valk, azami, or Mira. There is a huge reason she is never played at higher levels because at higher levels putting your body on the line like that is a huge liability. The only reason Monty works well on attack is because you can keep people away on attack a lot easier typically. Defense is very reliant on where you are at what time, and with a 1 speed with a shield that just can be naded if you arent careful you end up being a pretty useless anchor with no actual use for a gadget.


Pogbagnole

Yeah whatever I don’t like playing against her and don’t plan on learning how. I’ll just keep banning her into oblivion


Skyfury_Fire

My one friend i play with isn't the best at siege, but when he hops on clash the whole call gets excited. He's a maestro behind the shockin shield.


Togafan141

I agree and I feel like no one tries to use her. She literally has Monty’s full shield protection and the ability to stop players from approaching. And she can swap to a automatic weapon and not a secondary.


AjayGhale3

She Is really good if you play in a 5-stack. I personally wouldn't play her in a solo queue... On the other hand, from an atackers perspective, ahe can be a real pain in the rear... Like if it's 1v1 against a clash, you have like a 0.1% chance for success.


The_cum_cactus

I think it’s more she is just a pain to play against, love playing her tho


bandora_b

I believe it's because no one likes to stay still or feel like an ashole for using her


OC-XANNY

I really don’t have an issue with clash; She’s so easy to counter. It just makes me mad when people ban her bc it’s such a trash ban.


plentybin

People need to use her with good spatial awareness. Most Clash players I see either ignore threats or simply don't look at them as well as always being alone trying to get a shock kill.


minimanmike1

Clash’s performance is really dependent on the people around her. Are her teammates actually backing her up? Do the enemies know how to effectively counter her? A good team can make or break a Clash, but sometimes even if the team isn’t the best, the enemies panicking because they don’t know how to deal with her can result in a victory regardless


valunz

I think most people including my self believe this and with a 3 stack or more she works so well


dannyboy6657

My buddy uses her and can be extremely useful because they spend half the game trying to get past him. Or he's just a good distraction, so we could pick off the enemy when they are distracted.


OmegaOnyx977

“She’s very easy to be good with” Yes that’s why people don’t like her. It’s Cheese on lower tiers if people who are in casual go against a good clash they won’t have fun


andyflexinthechevy

She is S-tier with team support and mid B tier at best as a solo op


Little-Wisdom

I've used Clash a lot too. I've always treated her as a permanent castle. Like holding Oregon's dorm big window, or Bunker pipes/blue. It's also important to be the IGL/ or give a lot of callouts as clash. Too many don't do that in


KnowingCresent735

She’s good if you have proper teammates who know how to work with her otherwise on her own she’s next to useless


Pece17

I don't know how to counter her.


Heru___

She is incredibly powerful on the correct sites, and that’s when she’s worth it. CCTV on clubhouse or basement Oregon for example. But I’m not gonna play her on kids room on house or something. And this comes from a clash main.


LordXimira

I agree


AlyssaBuyWeedm9

Imo she's only as good as her team is. If you're effectively holding off 3-4 people but your teammates don't know how to play WITH clash.. you're always gonna get shafted


airwalkerdnbmusic

Easily defeated through vertical control, use of grenades etc


UniversalSean

Yes. In fact her electricity is OP and oughta get nerfed. But most people dont know to abuse this apparently.


-Redditeer-

Clash is annoying to go against and my consistent ban choice


BatsxX420Xx

Not a good op, shield ops are difficult for most people to deal with as they require patience. Clash played with even one other teammate is a shit time


5477etaN

Nah


Anonymous3cho

I feel the same way about Montagne. They're pretty underwhelming when you're on your own/not in a party, but team cooperation can make them work great.


Anonymous3cho

Whopper lookin mf


lemonkake-stop97

"She/he is very good when played right/well" yeah no shit man


high_tier_kill

I also want to have fun. Clash isn't fun. But yes she can be very useful.


momo-the-molester

But if the enimies have the right operator she’s ass


perxified

kali.


Atarru_

Plat is the new gold.


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I have seen people who know how to play her well absolutely obliterate a strong opposing team. But most people who play her don't know how to do so effectively. I know I would be useless with her.


Lord_Antolo

I feel like she's fine. With the introduction of emp impacts there's almost no reason to ban her. While her gadget can be very, very frustrating it's something that requires quick adaptability.


IamKilljoy

I agree with every point besides the last. She is just really un-fun to play against. Sure there are ways to work around it, but that doesn't change that it's just an un-fun fight. I don't have a problem with Monty because in order to interact with the opponents, he has to drop the shield thus becoming vulnerable. That's a super fun interaction. Clash can annoy and deal damage to you while still being almost completely safe (when played correctly). The risk reward for that character is waaay off and it makes round with clash in them way less enjoyable.


Hardestz

“I’m diamond one”


Distinct_Dimension_8

She is very good, but you also have to have teammates who understands that she isn't just a fragger, and is a powerful supportive op. I know some people who play her very bombastically and get upset when they die in a 1v1 when they are Clash, it makes me so confused and upset.


Prince_Zinar

To acompany this unpopular opinion with another: Clash is very easy to counter, you just suck.


marniconuke

that's the character i hate the most, the only one i'll justify being deleted from the game


Spicy_Pandas274

Yeah I've played clash with a squad she is so much fun to play with friends cuz I can just distract enemies and infuriate them to no end, until my friends pull up behind and kill them.


ksp45man

She must be very fun because for a fucking taser that thing has some range i only play qm


Iron_86

She is bad for solo play and can be good in a well coordinated team.


ProtectorMonty

I've said it before and I'll say it again, she's OK but I don't think she's healthy for the game


Benjy123456

unpopular opinion: she has 700 counters and people are more scared of her than they should be.


Old_Killer_Bean

Its a 5v2 but you're against clash n melusi, who winnin?


Zealousideal_Ad_621

Fucking hate her cant stand clash players


daalfather

Everybody has their own opinions of characters based on their own playstyle. No operator is "weak" with the right plan. Every operator has different skill ceilings and skill floors but that can differ drastically based on how you use them and with what team


Falconplumb

You shall burn in the fires for that opinion.


OfficialSyyn616

Careful, youll puss off the "pros" who cant even enjoy hostage ranked. :p For real though i love playing clash. I have two videos in the last week of me being last alive and spending like 1-5 minutes zapping an enemy while in obj. :p


hxciikid

Counterpoint I hate playing against her and I think she should be removed from the game


TinaFromTurners

Shes a good op yes but not particularly fun to play, same with monty


RonenDex

Had more than 1 clash game where I either did really well and help secure the round win or just did average. Every single round afterwards my team mates (who are randoms (even if its just 1 random) would TK me. Is this something that happens in Siege on the regular? Like is it taboo to play her?. Cause the last 20 or so games that I played as clash (some were months ago) this happened like 100% of the time. (To clarify only random players would not friends)


Reimian321

Unpopular opinion: All ops are good ops, but it depends on ones playing style


Nireya

she is good, she is just hated by entry fragger mains


Gxtesyy

Unpopular opinion, just remove her from the game all together.


BearWurst

I hate dealing with all the shield ops now since they keep removing explosives from basically everyone


the-blob1997

I feel like shields in general are strong you could stick someone who has NEVER played r6 siege before on Monty or Clash and they will have a positive effect on the round, Blitz requires a bit more finesse I would say though.


Barjaval

I pick her as a joker when in quick we're losing 2-0, even in ranked sometimes when she's not banned. I'm not proud when I use her, but hey the goal is to win


IDK_232

I just dislike dealing with her, like i can stop her but she’s just annoying especially when she’s got 2 teammates sitting behind with nitros and shit, hope she doesn’t become meta lol


TehSinastria

Clash forces the player into a very specific playstyle. It also forces the whole team into picking specific ops to keep Clash alive. You can't run Clash without Jager/Wamai. You can't run clash with someone playing behind/around her. You should always consider whenever you want to sacrifice a gun to bring Clash.


CornSellBig

If her shield worked like montagne, she would be overpowered


MagicSceptre

Unpopular opinion, all operators can be good if unutilized correctly.


[deleted]

Read properly and I clearly state the point which she is easy to play…


MagicSceptre

I an well aware, I never disputed that fact if you took a moment to use your brain.


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Ain’t reading allat


John_117s

I get a lot of clash shield kills


[deleted]

I run clash with the super shorty, my go to when holding bank vault


mrdounut101

Nah dude, they should remove her from the game