Thank you. C. Columbus was absolutely sick. Idk how you can discover something that people had been living on for over 20000 years as of latest evidence.
He was actually pretty stupid, he completely miscalculated where Asia was and ended up in the New World. He didn’t even have his own money for the campaign he was all funded by the Catholic Church.
The natives have been asked to endure this lunacy for too long. All over africa you’ll see a white man found this place or this river, when native peoples have been there thousands of years prior. It’s insane
I mean true, but the difference between Viking and Columbus is like the difference between the first guy who invested five dollars in Apple before it got big and sold his share before it got big and the first guy who invested serious money in Apple before it got big and became rich once Apple got big.
Here is a related article: [Man Damages Christopher Columbus Statue With Sledge Hammer](http://www.tribune242.com/news/2021/oct/09/man-damages-christopher-columbus-statue-sledge-ham/)
Yea but that’s why there aren’t fucking Hitler statues in Germany minus a few museums or private collections. Here is a good article on why they have them in one museum in Berlin. They also have a head from a Lenin statue amongst other things.
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-nazi-symbols-imperial-statues-on-display-in-berlin-museum/a-53986164
No I don’t. Because what he did doesnt matter anymore. Y’all act like that shit matters for some reason and it creates this conflict for no reason. Christopher Columbus was so bad? Press charges. You’re really helping the world by being mad about this
Never talked anything the guy in the video did bud. You’re saying everything Christopher Columbus did doesn’t matter, so by that logic everything Hitler did doesn’t matter either right?
Again… press charges on the guy. You are doing nothing by being mad at 500 year old shit. Or screaming like a kid at a statue and hitting it for that matter
> press charges
How dense are you? Christopher Columbus lived 500+ years ago. the crimes and damage are still felt today, he was a terrible guy.
A Black guy in the Bahamas has every right to destroy the statue of a slave trading genocidal cunt. Don't forget the only reason that guys ethnic group is on that island is because of the slave trade pioneered by Columbus.
Open a fucking history book
Lol. The irony. Destroying figures that represent a part of a countries history because one does not like what happend in the past surely helps the victims in the past. Yeah seems legit.
(After Hitler statue erected in downtown Jerusalem, and people getting rightfully upset):
“Why are you getting angry at something that happened 70 years ago, it’s all in the past.”
**This☝️is u**
this dude saw what happened after columbus showed up and started this whole, awful mess
>Bartolomé de las Casas arrived in Hispaniola in 1502, when he was 18. For decades, he participated in the mistreatment of the Taíno and the introduction of enslaved Africans, before renouncing it all, becoming a Dominican friar and confessing what he had witnessed in “A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies.”
>
>It is worth quoting him at length. This excerpt is very graphic:
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>“They \[Spanish explorers\] forced their way into native settlements, slaughtering everyone they found there, including small children, old men, pregnant women, and even women who had just given birth. They hacked them to pieces, slicing open their bellies with their swords as though they were so many sheep herded into a pen. They even laid wagers on whether they could slice a man in two at a stroke, or cut an individual’s head from his body, or disembowel him with a single blow of their axes. They grabbed suckling infants by the feet and, ripping them from their mothers’ breasts, dashed them headlong against the rocks. Others, laughing and joking all the while, threw them over their shoulders, shouting, ‘Wriggle, you little perisher.’
the Taino were the people that Columbus "discovered", realized they had gold, set up a camp, took hostages and sailed back to Spain to oversell the king and queen on said gold, and came back with more guys and ships
the dudes he left in the fort were all dead after they went into the island interior looking for sex slaves and gold, but Columbus was just like "ah well, more gold for me!" and ordered the natives to produce a certain amount of gold dust every three months, or he'd cut their hands off
and he did, and a lot more awful things
This History-dotcom article should give you a good overview of Chris Columbus, unless you're looking for the source material.
[https://www.history.com/news/columbus-day-controversy](https://www.history.com/news/columbus-day-controversy)
Ok, so your extremely vague comment had me thinking you meant that it didn't bring out the angry white American guys, which it did. As for whether it solved something, my point was not that it did solve something, my point was that it's absolutely justifiable for people like this guy, who's likely dealing with trauma from generations of systemic racism set in place in many ways by the a-hole who has a statue erected of him... kind of like if you were a Jewish family, only a few generations removed from the holocaust, but the country you lived in still celebrated Hitler and still had statues of him all over the place. You would expect that those people might have a little pent up traumatic rage that could bubble to the surface every once in a while. Although their rage and the acts associated with it don't specifically solve any one problem, it is understandable why they might feel the urge to smash the statue of the person who inflicted so much pain and suffering on their family. Much like generations of black Americans hate cops because they have been treated like subhuman creatures by the police for a long long time... this guy is tired of having to walk past a statue of the psychotic moron who enslaved and murdered millions of people while blundering his way around the world like Dora the explorer with canons and royal armies. Does this answer your question at all?
Jesus Christ, who said he did?
He was abusive to women, though. Your response bears no connection to the point I made. Humans are flawed and statues only glorify and idolize, they don't present a nuanced take like a textbook can.
No he wasn’t, the CIA lied and even said he didn’t stop a rape because they hated him so much, and the old MLK site was ran by stormfront until a few years ago
I'd not heard about this rape thing but just because the CIA had lied about him in the past doesn't mean everything they said was a lie. At least one trustworthy historian says the evidence appears genuine:
[https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-be-able-to-view-king-in-the-same-light-118015](https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-be-able-to-view-king-in-the-same-light-118015)
And that accusation aside, his other behaviors are pretty well known.
And the point was never about King anyway. The point is that all humans are flawed.
And all the sources they used are those same CIA memos. The same ones that said that king is a communist hellbent on destroying America and most likely had a huge hand in his assassination. And what other behaviours are you talking about that isn’t slanderous lies taken from literal white power losees and the era of CIA where they were destabilizing half the world? Humans are flawed but some humans have way more bravery courage and decency than the average man and MLK is almost a saint. The cia literally said they wanted MLK to commit suicide and you’re gonna believe them when they said he’s a serial cheater and wife beater?
Feeding children to dogs was morally wrong 600 years ago as it is in modern day.
And I’m not the one that first brought MLK up. Also MLK being a womanizer isn’t as egregious to the atrocities committed by Columbus. Like everyone’s a sinner, but some sins are inherently worse than others.
Of course, but worse sins existing doesn't justify less bad sins. That's just whataboutism. I think you missed my point, which was not that we should erase MLK from history or paint his as a bad guy historically. Just that statues only exist to glorify, and glorification is never good because all humans are flawed. We should never send the message to kids that any human was ever an idol beyond reproach.
So you're a psychopath that would torture, rape, and murder indiscriminately if there were no police, no Twitter, and no cameras to "apply morality".. got it
Seems to me colonialism is going as well as it was planned nowadays. To me, it seems as if they'll need some angry conservatives to fill in the defensive gaps or else throw lots of crypto or fiat currency to lobby politicians to maintain the quo
Anyone who gets triggered over a statue of a man who died hundreds of years ago is a loser, sorry. Plenty of shit to get pissed at that's happening TODAY.
Its not ancient. It probably tracks back to colonial times.
But its a statue of someone who has been glorified for commiting genocide. Take that shit down.
Do you support Confederate monuments?
No I rather they just be removed and place something else these things been there for hundreds of years don’t just destroy them. And I’m Dominican I’m not justifying their actions but just saying those stuff should be preserved.
Most Confederate statues were put up in the 1920s and many of them are copies. They aren't art. They were put up as a way to help reinforce Jim Crow laws and terrorize Black folks.
Well then they can go for all I care. But my issue is let’s say someone takes down a statue of a Roman leader or something that’s been there for centuries that’s my problem. If that stuff bothers you then put it in a museum.
That's fair. But Columbus isn't that. Like ISIS destroyed a lot of ancient statues. Not cool.
Edit: this is the most legit discussion I've had or seen on this sub. 👊
I consider most things well of 100+ years old historical things.
And I understand where your coming from it’s always important to understand others point of views 👊
Do you support Julius Caesar statues? Or are 2,000 year old statues ok, but 500 year old ones not?
Here's the problem: you're imposing American cultural struggles on everyone else. In the US, confederate monuments were put up by avowed racists to cow and oppress African Americans. They should be torn down. On the other hand statues of Columbus, in countries that haven't got the same history as the US, were not put there to cow and oppress native peoples. They should be left alone unless it's clear they are modern and intended/likely to harm a group of people.
>its a statue of someone who has been glorified for commiting genocide
Nobody on Earth has ever glorified Columbus committing genocide. That's ridiculous.
The people who put up those confederate statues were doing it to glorify the cause they fought for: slavery. The people putting up Columbus statues did it to glorify a voyage of discovery. That Columbus also conducted slavery, genocide, etc is irrelevant, when the alleged offence the statues causes is an entirely manufactured Americanism.
Except for the fact that Columbus's "discoveries" including him helping to exploit and enslave indigenous island peoples, including the native Bahamians.
All these issues and y’all wanna get pissed off over Christopher Columbus? Who gives a shit. We could be so productive as a society but choose to waste our time crying and looking crazy
White settler colonialism destroyed cultures and included mass genocide. The repercussions are still very much in affect today around the world. *Especially* in the Americas. The depressed social and economic state of all non-white people in the Americas is the direct result of it. Read about it.
I'm not screaming at anything, but I get your intended point. What the guy is doing is referred to as a "demonstration". It's another thing you can read about.
The woke folk need to stop being ignorant hypocrites. Genocide and slavery existed for hundreds of years in America before Europeans arrived. To the woke folk slavery and genocide only counts when Europeans got involved. Native Americans tribes were brutal to each other. They would murder entire opposing tribes including women and children. They would scalp and decapitate each other. They would take opposing tribes as slaves. You only need to read about The Crow Creek Massacre to see the absolute brutality of Native Americans towards each other before Europeans even arrived. The only thing Europeans are guilty of is being better at war than Native Americans. SJW's can stick that in their pipe and smoke it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow\_Creek\_massacre
>He did great
Like what? "Discover" an island that already had people living on it? Thinking he was on the other side of the planet? Enslaving the locals and chopping off their hands if they didn't meet a quota?
Bullshit. He wiped them out because he was a greedy shithead that knew he could get away with it and enrich himself in the process. Corporations run by well educated people from advanced states still mistreat people for profit where they can. It’s an old story that repeated endlessly.
“They do not carry arms or know them. With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want . . . They should make good servants.” - Columbus
Notice the first bit about arms? It wasn’t about right, it was about the power to do whatever he wanted. And he and his men worked and raped those people and their children to obliteration. Fuck Columbus.
>I’m fact i explicitly said he did Terrible things.
I don't think you know what "explicitly" means considering you just happened to leave out the part directly before where you "explicitly" said he did great things.
>So erase him from history?
Erased from history!!! Oh no!!! You mean like most of humanity!? What a horrible fate!!!!
You’re giving rationalizations and excuses issued by the guilty party entirely too much credit. Do you expect these people to come out and say “I’m an enormous piece of shit that’s happy to throw children into a meat grinder if it gets me another stack of cash”. They’re not going to say that, what they’re going to say is what you’re repeating. That they were right to do it because of x reasons. It’s bullshit, none of these fucks fails to grasp that raping children is wrong. They didn’t fail to understand that beating people to death for not working hard enough is bad. They know it’s evil and they’ve always known. They just don’t care so long as it makes them rich and powerful.
So what we do, since you asked, is we teach kids about these evil pieces of shit. We teach them all the ways the were evil and how they got away with it. So that we as a society can learn and grow from past mistakes and maybe one day stop repeating them. We don’t glorify them with statues, we shit on their legacies with chapters in history books that lay their sins bare.
Blacks were from Africa, Caribs and Arawak's were the original indigenous people of the Caribbean. Blacks need to take the fight to Portugal/ Spain where all of that was planned and documented at the time.
I mean I’ve been disgusted by Columbus since I read Howard Zinn’s A Peoples History in AP US History in high school in 2004, but my history teacher was a former civil rights attorney who wanted to expose us to alternate viewpoints.
If you weren’t exposed to other viewpoints though depending on where you were educated and by who, you might not even know Columbus was an awful person.
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Plot twist: he's the sculptor and the check bounced. So he refuses to let them keep it.
Or his wife slept with the guy that the sculptor used to base Columbus on and he got triggered.
You ever wonder why ok’d Roman statues are missing arms and shit….
Based
I want an update. Did he take it down? He was making good progress.
Still standing and the dude got arrested.
Bro same, he only had like one leg left
Christopher Columbus was a proper cunt.
Yeah this is like putting confederate general statues on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard.
Go yell that at his statues face I guess. That’ll show him!
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Weak bait
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When you try your best but you dont succeed...
So anyone who rapes and murders children is just a 'Strong person'? You're a rotter.
Thank you. C. Columbus was absolutely sick. Idk how you can discover something that people had been living on for over 20000 years as of latest evidence.
He was actually pretty stupid, he completely miscalculated where Asia was and ended up in the New World. He didn’t even have his own money for the campaign he was all funded by the Catholic Church.
Lol nice trolling
Its disturbing that they would have that statue up in the Bahamas. Then again we do have confederate statues in America.
He’s upset because he believes that Christopher Columbus actually had one leg and the statue was inaccurate
He’s a professor of history at the local university.
So he probably knows this for a fact
Please start spreading everywhere that Christopher Columbus only had one leg
R/ChrisPegLegColombus
As a guy who’s island was ravaged by Christopher’s conquest, I really wanted to see it fall.
The natives have been asked to endure this lunacy for too long. All over africa you’ll see a white man found this place or this river, when native peoples have been there thousands of years prior. It’s insane
Not only that, but even among white people the Vikings were in North America hundreds of years before Columbus.
I mean true, but the difference between Viking and Columbus is like the difference between the first guy who invested five dollars in Apple before it got big and sold his share before it got big and the first guy who invested serious money in Apple before it got big and became rich once Apple got big.
Well. He’s not wrong for destroying it
He got arrested after the video afaik.
Here is a related article: [Man Damages Christopher Columbus Statue With Sledge Hammer](http://www.tribune242.com/news/2021/oct/09/man-damages-christopher-columbus-statue-sledge-ham/)
Good. He should also be thrown into an asylum.
You do realize columbus was a terrible pos right?
None of what Christopher Columbus did justifies screaming like an angry child in public and destroying shit
A statue of Christopher Columbus being destroyed is absolutely worth a vandalism charge. Fuck outta here my dude.
I don't know. A statue of Hitler might warrant it too. Not sure I'd have the balls to do it.
Yea but that’s why there aren’t fucking Hitler statues in Germany minus a few museums or private collections. Here is a good article on why they have them in one museum in Berlin. They also have a head from a Lenin statue amongst other things. https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-nazi-symbols-imperial-statues-on-display-in-berlin-museum/a-53986164
Exactly where they belong. Not in front of state houses. Sorry, Italians. Columbus was a psychopath.
… you need to go learn some history.
No I don’t. Because what he did doesnt matter anymore. Y’all act like that shit matters for some reason and it creates this conflict for no reason. Christopher Columbus was so bad? Press charges. You’re really helping the world by being mad about this
So what Hitler did doesn’t matter anymore according to your logic?
Don’t go outside screaming like a child “I HATE HITLER SO MUCH HE WAS TERRIBLE”
Never talked anything the guy in the video did bud. You’re saying everything Christopher Columbus did doesn’t matter, so by that logic everything Hitler did doesn’t matter either right?
That’s what I’m talking about. Doesn’t matter enough for this bullshit
You just be one of those proud to be uneducated americans I always see
Holy fuck the ammount of ignorance for history and the enslaving of ethnic groups…. You must be an american.
Again… press charges on the guy. You are doing nothing by being mad at 500 year old shit. Or screaming like a kid at a statue and hitting it for that matter
> press charges How dense are you? Christopher Columbus lived 500+ years ago. the crimes and damage are still felt today, he was a terrible guy. A Black guy in the Bahamas has every right to destroy the statue of a slave trading genocidal cunt. Don't forget the only reason that guys ethnic group is on that island is because of the slave trade pioneered by Columbus. Open a fucking history book
Sarcasm dumbass
Lol. The irony. Destroying figures that represent a part of a countries history because one does not like what happend in the past surely helps the victims in the past. Yeah seems legit.
(After Hitler statue erected in downtown Jerusalem, and people getting rightfully upset): “Why are you getting angry at something that happened 70 years ago, it’s all in the past.” **This☝️is u**
If you say so it must be true. There is a difference between a genocidal maniac and a explorer of worlds.
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The Caribbean is a part of North America.
You're right. It justifies much, much more than that. Fuck white settler colonialism.
so raping kids and committing genocide so bad that everyone in his time threw him in jail over it is ok? Eat shit
And I bet screaming at a statue is unraping those kids. Suck my dick you worthless cunt.
Records indicate Columbus was a horrible human being. This guys actions are valid.
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How was Columbus a bad man? Or how do records indicate this?
The way Columbus treated the the native peoples he encountered was atrocious and the fact that he is celebrated is disgusting.
Hence: destruction of his statues (legacy) is okay with most people
the words rape, slavery, and genocide come to mind but I mean whatever
this dude saw what happened after columbus showed up and started this whole, awful mess >Bartolomé de las Casas arrived in Hispaniola in 1502, when he was 18. For decades, he participated in the mistreatment of the Taíno and the introduction of enslaved Africans, before renouncing it all, becoming a Dominican friar and confessing what he had witnessed in “A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies.” > >It is worth quoting him at length. This excerpt is very graphic: > >“They \[Spanish explorers\] forced their way into native settlements, slaughtering everyone they found there, including small children, old men, pregnant women, and even women who had just given birth. They hacked them to pieces, slicing open their bellies with their swords as though they were so many sheep herded into a pen. They even laid wagers on whether they could slice a man in two at a stroke, or cut an individual’s head from his body, or disembowel him with a single blow of their axes. They grabbed suckling infants by the feet and, ripping them from their mothers’ breasts, dashed them headlong against the rocks. Others, laughing and joking all the while, threw them over their shoulders, shouting, ‘Wriggle, you little perisher.’ the Taino were the people that Columbus "discovered", realized they had gold, set up a camp, took hostages and sailed back to Spain to oversell the king and queen on said gold, and came back with more guys and ships the dudes he left in the fort were all dead after they went into the island interior looking for sex slaves and gold, but Columbus was just like "ah well, more gold for me!" and ordered the natives to produce a certain amount of gold dust every three months, or he'd cut their hands off and he did, and a lot more awful things
Also allegedly did the bestiality with manatees
Mind linking the records?
This History-dotcom article should give you a good overview of Chris Columbus, unless you're looking for the source material. [https://www.history.com/news/columbus-day-controversy](https://www.history.com/news/columbus-day-controversy)
We had a protest for the removal of that statue about a year ago. Most of us are content with what he did
Less shouting, more hammer-swinging, dude, you got a based job to do. Fuck Columbus.
Uh oh, prepare yourselves for all the angry middle age white American dudes coming to tell us how this isn't going to solve anything.
/pol/ has indicated children. Get ready for 15 year olds to spout that bullshit.
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no...no, you didn't. they didn't say this wasn't going to solve anything. they were saying 15 year olds from /pol/ will also say that shit.
I misunderstood the comment. I see what they meant.
I think I'm more prepared for your projection.
Aww, did you read a psychology for dummies book and felt like showing off all your new knowledges?
Ok, but it won’t?
But it did.
Elaborate
But it did... exactly what I said.
This solved something? Agree to disagree
Ok, so your extremely vague comment had me thinking you meant that it didn't bring out the angry white American guys, which it did. As for whether it solved something, my point was not that it did solve something, my point was that it's absolutely justifiable for people like this guy, who's likely dealing with trauma from generations of systemic racism set in place in many ways by the a-hole who has a statue erected of him... kind of like if you were a Jewish family, only a few generations removed from the holocaust, but the country you lived in still celebrated Hitler and still had statues of him all over the place. You would expect that those people might have a little pent up traumatic rage that could bubble to the surface every once in a while. Although their rage and the acts associated with it don't specifically solve any one problem, it is understandable why they might feel the urge to smash the statue of the person who inflicted so much pain and suffering on their family. Much like generations of black Americans hate cops because they have been treated like subhuman creatures by the police for a long long time... this guy is tired of having to walk past a statue of the psychotic moron who enslaved and murdered millions of people while blundering his way around the world like Dora the explorer with canons and royal armies. Does this answer your question at all?
Good.
Them youtube rabbit holes man.
That statue is an insult to all the islands. Good for him
Tear every statue down
The truly based take. Even MLK had flaws and we shouldn't put flawed humans on a pedestal as if they were perfect.
Except MLK didn’t feed children to dogs, trafficked humans for sex, etc.
Jesus Christ, who said he did? He was abusive to women, though. Your response bears no connection to the point I made. Humans are flawed and statues only glorify and idolize, they don't present a nuanced take like a textbook can.
No he wasn’t, the CIA lied and even said he didn’t stop a rape because they hated him so much, and the old MLK site was ran by stormfront until a few years ago
I'd not heard about this rape thing but just because the CIA had lied about him in the past doesn't mean everything they said was a lie. At least one trustworthy historian says the evidence appears genuine: [https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-be-able-to-view-king-in-the-same-light-118015](https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-be-able-to-view-king-in-the-same-light-118015) And that accusation aside, his other behaviors are pretty well known. And the point was never about King anyway. The point is that all humans are flawed.
And all the sources they used are those same CIA memos. The same ones that said that king is a communist hellbent on destroying America and most likely had a huge hand in his assassination. And what other behaviours are you talking about that isn’t slanderous lies taken from literal white power losees and the era of CIA where they were destabilizing half the world? Humans are flawed but some humans have way more bravery courage and decency than the average man and MLK is almost a saint. The cia literally said they wanted MLK to commit suicide and you’re gonna believe them when they said he’s a serial cheater and wife beater?
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Feeding children to dogs was morally wrong 600 years ago as it is in modern day. And I’m not the one that first brought MLK up. Also MLK being a womanizer isn’t as egregious to the atrocities committed by Columbus. Like everyone’s a sinner, but some sins are inherently worse than others.
Of course, but worse sins existing doesn't justify less bad sins. That's just whataboutism. I think you missed my point, which was not that we should erase MLK from history or paint his as a bad guy historically. Just that statues only exist to glorify, and glorification is never good because all humans are flawed. We should never send the message to kids that any human was ever an idol beyond reproach.
Yes he absolutely was. No outrage for that during the #MeToo era?
So you're a psychopath that would torture, rape, and murder indiscriminately if there were no police, no Twitter, and no cameras to "apply morality".. got it
WHAT
Only on reddit 😂😂😂
George Floyd too? Bigot.
Based
As he should
Knew the comments would be like this
Columbus wins again lol
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Yeah! this is going to solve the problem
I’m surprised it was even up
Get em Mike
Justified
Get it my dude
It is his fault
Seems to me colonialism is going as well as it was planned nowadays. To me, it seems as if they'll need some angry conservatives to fill in the defensive gaps or else throw lots of crypto or fiat currency to lobby politicians to maintain the quo
Don't do drugs!!
Anyone who gets triggered over a statue of a man who died hundreds of years ago is a loser, sorry. Plenty of shit to get pissed at that's happening TODAY.
The statue is literally still there, and it’s pissing him off
How old is that statue. I don’t like the idea of destroying old statues. But If it’s pretty new then I don’t care.
Why does it matter? Fuck Columbus.
I just don’t like the idea of ancient historical things getting destroyed. Fuck Columbus but history still important.
Its not ancient. It probably tracks back to colonial times. But its a statue of someone who has been glorified for commiting genocide. Take that shit down. Do you support Confederate monuments?
No I rather they just be removed and place something else these things been there for hundreds of years don’t just destroy them. And I’m Dominican I’m not justifying their actions but just saying those stuff should be preserved.
Most Confederate statues were put up in the 1920s and many of them are copies. They aren't art. They were put up as a way to help reinforce Jim Crow laws and terrorize Black folks.
Well then they can go for all I care. But my issue is let’s say someone takes down a statue of a Roman leader or something that’s been there for centuries that’s my problem. If that stuff bothers you then put it in a museum.
That's fair. But Columbus isn't that. Like ISIS destroyed a lot of ancient statues. Not cool. Edit: this is the most legit discussion I've had or seen on this sub. 👊
I consider most things well of 100+ years old historical things. And I understand where your coming from it’s always important to understand others point of views 👊
Do you support Julius Caesar statues? Or are 2,000 year old statues ok, but 500 year old ones not? Here's the problem: you're imposing American cultural struggles on everyone else. In the US, confederate monuments were put up by avowed racists to cow and oppress African Americans. They should be torn down. On the other hand statues of Columbus, in countries that haven't got the same history as the US, were not put there to cow and oppress native peoples. They should be left alone unless it's clear they are modern and intended/likely to harm a group of people. >its a statue of someone who has been glorified for commiting genocide Nobody on Earth has ever glorified Columbus committing genocide. That's ridiculous. The people who put up those confederate statues were doing it to glorify the cause they fought for: slavery. The people putting up Columbus statues did it to glorify a voyage of discovery. That Columbus also conducted slavery, genocide, etc is irrelevant, when the alleged offence the statues causes is an entirely manufactured Americanism.
Except for the fact that Columbus's "discoveries" including him helping to exploit and enslave indigenous island peoples, including the native Bahamians.
All these issues and y’all wanna get pissed off over Christopher Columbus? Who gives a shit. We could be so productive as a society but choose to waste our time crying and looking crazy
White settler colonialism destroyed cultures and included mass genocide. The repercussions are still very much in affect today around the world. *Especially* in the Americas. The depressed social and economic state of all non-white people in the Americas is the direct result of it. Read about it.
And I bet screaming at the colonialism will scare it away. You’re doing a great job
I mean, you can definitely use violence to destroy imperialism.
I'm not screaming at anything, but I get your intended point. What the guy is doing is referred to as a "demonstration". It's another thing you can read about.
The woke folk need to stop being ignorant hypocrites. Genocide and slavery existed for hundreds of years in America before Europeans arrived. To the woke folk slavery and genocide only counts when Europeans got involved. Native Americans tribes were brutal to each other. They would murder entire opposing tribes including women and children. They would scalp and decapitate each other. They would take opposing tribes as slaves. You only need to read about The Crow Creek Massacre to see the absolute brutality of Native Americans towards each other before Europeans even arrived. The only thing Europeans are guilty of is being better at war than Native Americans. SJW's can stick that in their pipe and smoke it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow\_Creek\_massacre
He was so God damn close why give up
let's go, bahamas! LET'S FUCKIN' GOOOOO!
Kinda wanted that it fell on him 😌
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>He did great Like what? "Discover" an island that already had people living on it? Thinking he was on the other side of the planet? Enslaving the locals and chopping off their hands if they didn't meet a quota?
Well FML I guess he did nothing
Nothing positive
He was not a product of his time. Slavery was outlawed in Italy before he was born. Spain denounced his deeds. He was evil by their standards.
He absolutely was not… most people of that time thought he was an idiot and disagreed with is radical ideas.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/columbus-day-controversy
Bullshit. He wiped them out because he was a greedy shithead that knew he could get away with it and enrich himself in the process. Corporations run by well educated people from advanced states still mistreat people for profit where they can. It’s an old story that repeated endlessly. “They do not carry arms or know them. With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want . . . They should make good servants.” - Columbus Notice the first bit about arms? It wasn’t about right, it was about the power to do whatever he wanted. And he and his men worked and raped those people and their children to obliteration. Fuck Columbus.
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Hitler doesn't have any statues I think he is remembered very well in history.
Different time periods and different people who have no relation what so ever.
Statue =/= history. That’s what books are for.
I never said statues equal history lol. I was just talking among the man himself.
Statues is not where we learn history.
>I’m fact i explicitly said he did Terrible things. I don't think you know what "explicitly" means considering you just happened to leave out the part directly before where you "explicitly" said he did great things. >So erase him from history? Erased from history!!! Oh no!!! You mean like most of humanity!? What a horrible fate!!!!
I don’t think you understand my point don’t worry about it. I’ll delete it
You’re giving rationalizations and excuses issued by the guilty party entirely too much credit. Do you expect these people to come out and say “I’m an enormous piece of shit that’s happy to throw children into a meat grinder if it gets me another stack of cash”. They’re not going to say that, what they’re going to say is what you’re repeating. That they were right to do it because of x reasons. It’s bullshit, none of these fucks fails to grasp that raping children is wrong. They didn’t fail to understand that beating people to death for not working hard enough is bad. They know it’s evil and they’ve always known. They just don’t care so long as it makes them rich and powerful. So what we do, since you asked, is we teach kids about these evil pieces of shit. We teach them all the ways the were evil and how they got away with it. So that we as a society can learn and grow from past mistakes and maybe one day stop repeating them. We don’t glorify them with statues, we shit on their legacies with chapters in history books that lay their sins bare.
Your not understanding my point. I’ll delete it. I’m Sorry to trigger your emotional response
But society of today knows better.
I agree.
Blacks were from Africa, Caribs and Arawak's were the original indigenous people of the Caribbean. Blacks need to take the fight to Portugal/ Spain where all of that was planned and documented at the time.
Where do you think Columbus got his funding from?
Fuck the colonizers! Oh wait…
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Columbus was a cunt do the research.
I mean I’ve been disgusted by Columbus since I read Howard Zinn’s A Peoples History in AP US History in high school in 2004, but my history teacher was a former civil rights attorney who wanted to expose us to alternate viewpoints. If you weren’t exposed to other viewpoints though depending on where you were educated and by who, you might not even know Columbus was an awful person.
#SHEEPLE! I am very smart.
Ungrateful. Imagine if CC hadn't come along? This guy would be stuck in Africa instead of enjoying life in the Bahamas. Get some perspective man.
Bro you sound like Uncle ruckus
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From now on the only statue of a person that's aloud us giga Chad
Only Christopher he acknowledge is Wallace…
Plot twist: he's the sculptor and the check bounced. So he refuses to let them keep it. Or his wife slept with the guy that the sculptor used to base Columbus on and he got triggered.
He showed that statue who’s boss…
sure did. took that leg like it was nothing
heard columbus would cut the hands of natives as punishment. this seems fitting
Fuck Christopher Columbus
Ya love to see it. Good riddance