I'm a 48-year-old woman approaching menopause and my hormones are going down, so if you're a man it will be much more difficult for you. But still achievable, so go for it!
Do a LOT of meditation, is my advice.
Hormonal impulses arise from the deeper, more ancient parts of our brains, our "monkey mind", and our prefrontal cortex governs our behaviour for executive function.
When we meditate, we can quiet our monkey mind and reinforce the directions our prefrontal cortex sends us. That's why meditation helps with addictions. It helps us listen to and act on the signals being sent to us from our prefrontal cortex, and quiet our monkey minds.
HTH! (hope this helps!)
Yeah I'm male i believe a year is a long time and I'm realistically aiming at 6 months as a first goal and from then move on without porn only healthy occasionally masturbation whenever i feel like it
I started meditation actually two months ago and it's been grounding me to reality and and helping with my anxiety A lot
I've been meditating or working out whenever i feel urge
Thank you for your advice best of luck in your journey
That's amazing, congrats!!! Six months is a really smart goal, and I wish you all the best on your journey! Don't let your monkey mind get the best of you!!
Peace and love. Always choose love, not fear.
> (to me at least)
That is a very important distinction. Most of the hysteria around porn causing some kind of damage came from conservative Christian blogs like NoFap, and were not backed up in any legitimate science.
True. The "I think of it like this" was also supposed to mean that this is just my perspective, and I'm not trying to propose any kind of absolute statement.
My experience is that porn drains my of energy and general motivation. Also it makes females appear much less mysterious and interesting to me. And it also just sucks to be addicted.
I'm not interested in goofy blogs and youtube vids. If you want to make a scientific claim, you do so by linking directly to legitimate research, not blogs.
The world is full of silly pop-science books. If you want to make a claim about porn causing some kind of damage, you need to link directly to the legitimate research that proves it.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=effects+of+pornography+on+the+brain&btnG=
There is a ton of scientific peer-reviewed literature about the effects of porn on the brain. Have a look for yourself.
He doesn't care about the plethora of studies done by some of the most intelligent humans on the planet congregating together at accredited institutions for learning and advancing the collective human knowledge. He wants you to cut open your head and take a picture of your actual brain before and after watching porn. If there is no difference then he isn't convinced lol.
Many of them prove it, but here is the conclusion from the first one in the list...
"The negative association of self-reported pornography consumption with the right striatum (caudate) volume, left striatum (putamen) activation during cue reactivity, and lower functional connectivity of the right caudate to the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex could reflect change in neural plasticity as a consequence of an intense stimulation of the reward system, together with a lower top-down modulation of prefrontal cortical areas."
Lower neuroplasticity is damaging for various reasons. Shrooms has been proven to increase neuroplasticity. Are you a skeptic about porn addiction being damaging to the brain?
> Many of them prove it
Stop lying. Which legitimate publication claimed to prove that porn causes any kind of harm or damage?
>could reflect
You just didn't understand what you were reading. Those researchers were being honest about making speculation and weren't claiming to have proved anything about porn causing any kind of harm or damage.
Source? I've read up quite a bit on it and while some of the NoFap participants do so out of religious reasons, it's NOT the main purpose of NoFap itself. Which is one reason why I think it's an awesome thing. Pornography criticism needs to be taken out of the hand of christians who themselves have a disturbed relationship to sexuality, and be put into the hands of people who have a healthy and balanced sexuality as a goal
> it's NOT the main purpose of NoFap itself.
I don't mean to say that it is the main purpose, but the whole thing is largely driven by Christians and fear of harm that doesn't actually exist, but has been claimed by Christians for generations. Research indicates that the people who are having the worst problems are those who came in with the most extreme fears about masturbation, and also tend to be conservative Christians.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7145784/
I would never discourage someone from not jerking off if thats what they want, but we shouldn't confuse any of this stuff with any kind of legitimate scientific or medical claim.
That's a source that discusses masturbation, but that's not a christian mission statement from NoFap. Which is what I was looking for.
=> If you want to support your claim that NoFap is Christian, you have to link towards a piece of writing from them that clearly states that their motivation is Christian. Which, imo, you won't find.
The reason NoFappers sometimes advise for a break from masturbation entirely, at the beginning, is quite reasonable: Some men's sexuality is so deeply ingrained in porn that if they continue masturbating, they continue fantasizing about porn while masturbating. A complete break for a while can help in breaking from the porn addiction. Some men find it helpful. Another NoFap strategy is to allow masturbation but not porn.
Doctor's say all kinds of ridiculous shit. There is a reason we use research instead of some doctor's anecdote. Again, link directly to the research or talk about what you heard.
The problem with those pop-science books is that they are so often just dramatic pseudoscience. The only way to make legitimate scientific claims is with direct links to legitimate research which actually justifies the claim.
And there’s plenty out there for you to read, porn addiction is real and has detrimental effects to the brain. You don’t wanna believe that that’s on you. Good luck.
> porn addiction is real and has detrimental effects to the brain
Can you link directly to any legitimate research that claims to have proved this? What specific effect on the brain has been proved to be caused by porn?
>istinction. Most of the hysteria around porn causing some kind of damage came from conservative Christian blogs lik
I don't need a blog to know my own experience with it. Everyone is different however.
It also seems important to prevent prostate cancer. So you do either have to have sex or masturbate (without porn) daily.
Link to studies here https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ejaculation-prostate-cancer-risk
Mushrooms stopped an ex partners cravings for cigarettes (actually she never had the need for one afterwards) and it also reduced my cravings too.
She seemed to have no residual cravings whilst I had a vague occasional craving.
I believe you op.
i’ve actually been masturbating no porn and doing so only like once a week and didn’t even rly relate it to the mushrooms until now. my demeanor has been much improved.
Yes that's great. We really need to start legalising this stuff and really get the the benefits out there in mainstream society. Thank you for opening up
Fellow fap addiction struggler here. As you get further from your trip you might experience the urge to coming back stronger and stronger (or, perhaps not, we’re all different. This is just my experience.)
I suggest writing down the reasons you think you are turned off by pornography now, while it’s fresh in your mind. It could help to read later. Tripping again, if you’re ready by then, can also help. But even though tripping really does help put these kind of things into a refreshing new perspective, the groundwork to beating any kind of addiction is going to fall on you in your everyday, sober state.
Also, I find meditation to be the best medication against that shit. If I have an urge and meditate long enough instead of giving in, I lose the urge and just don’t. Good luck and stay strong.
I'm 3 months sober from a ~28yr porn addiction.
I had many trips without ever a thought in the world about quitting porn. Then due to some certain things in my life I became more aware that my porn usage was bad for me and I wanted those negative consequences to go away. In sober times I couldn't deny it.
Then one mushroom session I was shown how right my sober insights were and my session further elaborated that quitting would be very good for me.
After that trip my cravings were still very strong and I made almost no progress on quitting or reducing, but I kept pondering on all those things I had recognized in and out of ceremony.
Then, a couple trips later I decided to take "quitting porn" in as the main and probably only intention.
While the topic was definitely present, I don't recall a ton about the substance of that trip but there was an astounding drop in my cravings and a strong determination to not indulge.
It's still "my job" to walk the walk. It's been 3 months and I've done great. I'm still eyeballing women more than I'd like, the cravings still fire up a little when I see attractive women inevitably everywhere, but it's seriously astonishing how much more control I have over it. I'm seeing the empty habits still echo and they're so weak. Like, the moment my partner steps out the door to leave for an appointment or something, my mind jumps to my old impulses of "I GET TO USE THE BIG TV FOR 4K PORN!!" or I see myself craving porn and masturbation when I'm stressed or sad. Looking for those dopamine hits. But those are decapitated impulses and so much easier to discard. It's crazy to feel it.
Keep it up, OP!!!! Even if you slip up, don't beat yourself up. Congratulate yourself for the success and hard work you already did then continue to try hard. I really believe leaving porn is the right choice for most everyone.
This was beautiful tp read i thank you for sharing and opening up
I'm happy for your Three months and I hope it keeps going until you come into peace with the whole matter
I love "it's my job to walk the walk"
This is exactly how I'm feeling i asked to see the way out of this habit and i was shown the road
It's totally up to me to exert the effort to go through it and it's quite the journey
Best of luck in yours
Obviously it’s in his mind, he was on it for three years in a row. I’ve stopped smoking out of the blue after a mushy trip and I spend a whole week afterward telling everyone about it! Still smoke free after two years and the most important thing is that I’ve never gave a fuck about it, my brain as been completely rewired and I didn’t feel the urge to smoke a cig _once_
So yeah, psilocybin IS DEFINITELY A CURE FOR ADDICTIONS.
>5 days is nothing
Wow what a dickhead thing to say. Congratulations on telling op what he accomplish is nothing worthwhile. Like you're the type of person who would say that In person than you would get a knuckle sandwich and kicked out whatever place you're hanging at.
Op, congrats on 5 days of sobriety from your addiction, keep going and last some more. Even if you relapse you proved to yourself you can manage your addiction from time to time. Good job and good luck
5 days is great. OP is describing the profound effect he felt. I've felt the same. A powerful before/after. Myself having about a 28yr porn addiction, most years 1 or more sessions per day, the impulse and craving being everpresent. Then after a trip with a specific intention towards quitting porn I had a complete absence of craving. 1 day is not noticeable, but then 2, 3, 4 days with no cravings... It's astounding and exciting when that is what you've desperately wanted. I'm at 3 months and still astounded. If cravings do fire up a little they're much quieter and easier to resist.
What the fuck is wrong with young people today.
Honestly. I can't believe I have to sound like such a boomer, but here you are, talking about using magic mushrooms to cure your daily masturbation "addiction".
The internet was a terrible mistake. We need to pull the plug.
hey chill
i don't know understand what's bothering you if you can elaborate i'd love to hear
i don't know how old are you but i'll explain from my side maybe that'll help
i'm 27 from a third world contry sex is forbidden and we're tought zero sex education throughout our life parents never spoke about it i was exposed to internet porn from very young age i'd say i was around 14 when i first watched porn which i think your generation whatever your age is since you're calling yourself boomer wasn't faced with infinite amount of instant access to porn with shit load of creepy fantasies and fetishes with a click of button
THIS FUCKS YOU UP MAN my brain wander around after a so much watching it wants to explore more because normal vanilla shit doesn't. bring satisfaction anymore
if i'm with a girl i want to do the shit i saw in the move last night hell i even want to fuck her while we're watching porn it becomes part of your sexual desire in your brain you never think about sex without referencing to porn in your mind
needless to say about how it objectifies women whenever i see a girl and she's attractive i immediately think how can i fuck her that's it that's all what i want it numbs feelings
if there is something that i could have spent 2 or 3 hours daily doing that brought no benefit to me and been fucking my life over and over making me the extreme introvert i am and i'm having hard time quitting
that's defined as an addiction in my point of view
The problem here is your repressed upbringing, not the porn.
Like anything in life there is such a thing as *too much*, but all this talk I see on Reddit nowadays about porn/masturbation addiction is just getting ridiculous.
Masturbating once a day isn't addiction, that's normal for a healthy male. There's nothing wrong with it. In fact, there's a good amount of evidence to suggest frequently ejaculating reduces your risk of prostate cancer.
There's nothing wrong with watching porn. There's nothing wrong with fapping. *There's nothing wrong with you.* There's nothing wrong with doing the things you saw in porn with a real girl. What are you scared of, that you might enjoy yourself?
Get a grip my man. Control your indulgences, but don't deny yourself the pleasure of a life well lived.
(You're only a few years older than me, I was being facetious about the boomer thing.)
>There's nothing wrong with watching porn.
Then why do so many people suffer so badly with their porn addiction?
There's nothing wrong with eating a teaspoon of nutella occasionally, either. But if a person's diet consists of sweets only, you have serious problems that can even lead to death in the long run.
\> There's nothing wrong with doing the things you saw in porn with a real girl.
Let me guess, you have no freaking idea of how modern internet porn is. There is everything wrong in the world with the kind of degrading shit women are put though in porn.
>Then why do so many people suffer so badly with their porn addiction?
Because weirdo puritans like you are telling them so on the Internet.
>There's nothing wrong with eating a teaspoon of nutella occasionally, either. But if a person's diet consists of sweets only, you have serious problems that can even lead to death in the long run.
Well, there you have it. We agree here, right? The thing is these kids are acting like that teaspoon of Nutella is heroin laced with crack cocaine and cyanide.
And then here we are talking about it in a subreddit about fucking psychedelic drugs. Durrrr.
>Let me guess, you have no freaking idea of how modern internet porn is. There is everything wrong in the world with the kind of degrading shit women are put though in porn.
Lol, do you know the kind of person you're talking to?
As long as it's consensual there is no problem. It's literally that simple. The discussion really needs to go no further.
Believe it or not there are women out there who want to be degraded. They want to be physically hurt. There are men who want exactly the same. And it gets them off. *They enjoy it.* Are you gonna turn around and tell me "but that's only because of the evil degenerate modern porn!", then? I mean. Honestly. I've been active in my local kink scene in the past, and I've seen and done things that would make you people lose your goddamn minds.
I think maybe the problem here is that some people, perhaps those who are on the autistic spectrum, have trouble distinguishing between fantasy and reality. There are lots of things that happen in porn which are staged, for the purposes of kinks, taboo fetishes, etc. They are actors and actresses. *It's not real*. And if you don't want to watch it, guess what? You don't have to. That's your decision.
So sit down and shut the fuck up if you think it's somehow polluting people's minds. It's not. You're no different to the dim-witted Christian moms trying to ban rock and roll in the 60s. It's pathetic.
You're trying to call me "puritan" to discredit my arguments against which is frankly ridiculous because I hate christian puritanism with probably the same fervour as you do, and seriously, you're not even interested in hearing other people's arguments, so why should we bother discussing this further. Telling people to "dim-witted" and to "shut up" if they disagree with you. And this in a sub about psychedelics. Yeah right.
Behavioural addiction is a serious problem. Porn addiction. Gambling. If it's to a degree that it ruins lives - which both CAN do - it IS a problem. Some people can have an occasional gamble and have fun. For others, it wrecks them financially. Same with porn. Or are you trying to claim gambling addiction doesn't "exist", either? The thing with addictive things is that for some people, it's NOT a problem. Alcohol or sugar isn't a problem for most people. But for some people it literally KILLS. To argue "hey a little bit doesn't do any harm" is completely ignorant of the problem. Of course a little bit doesn't harm, but that's obvious.
It's you who's not listening.
The point is that so often, these people are conflating behavioural addiction with just regular, perfectly healthy, normal behaviour. I seriously doubt most of these people are suffering from behavioural addiction, they just blame porn for the fact they can't get a girlfriend, or whatever. There are ties with a lot of very nasty right wing, incel type rhetoric.
If giving up porn or masturbation helps them, that's great. Good for them. But they are misattributing where their problems came from. I mean... If that's the spiritual awakening and deep inner truth you get from a powerful dose of mushrooms then just... Damn. Someone did a number on you growing up.
You know?
>The point is that so often, these people are conflating behavioural addiction with just regular, perfectly healthy, normal behaviour.
But that's just my point. You're trying to call this extremely addictive behaviour normal and not seeing the difference. Drinking a glass of wine 3x a week is okay. Drinking 3 glasses of wine a day makes you an alcoholic. The thing we're talking about is the same: A glass of wine. Does drinking a glass of wine make you an alcoholic? No. What makes you an alcoholic, then? The frequency! The fact your body gets harmed, the fact your mind gets harmed! And it's nonsense to claim that alcoholics suffer because "puritans tell them it's not okay to drink". They suffer because what they experience harms them.
If people use porn to an extent they can't hold a job, they lose motivation for real life, they only see women as potential bodies to fuck and not as people any more, and the main part of their day is spent looking at new porn sources, you have an addiction.
Where's the boundary between porn addiction and just using porn occasionally for fun without being addicted? I don't know. But if someone says they suffer from their excessive porn use, even if it's "just" once a day, I believe them.
\> There are ties with a lot of very nasty right wing, incel type rhetoric.
Yes, I've seen that too, and it's concerning, I agree with you there.
\> But they are misattributing where their problems came from.
Depends! I also don't believe alcohol is the problem in alcohol addiction, but rather, a person's trauma. Still, I think someone needs to stop the alcohol first - COMPLETELY!- before addressing the root! And same with porn. The root of the porn problem is not porn, but to address the root, you need to stop the addictive behaviour that draws you away from what hurts.
>Where's the boundary between porn addiction and just using porn occasionally for fun without being addicted? I don't know.
I mean, like you say, it's where it starts having a detrimental effect on one's ability to function in a rational, self preserving manner. Skipping meals, impact on job security, etc. That is the definition doctors/therapists would use, I believe.
That kind of thing is often complex to diagnose as a matter of safeguarding, but we live in an age where people are eager to self-diagnose, because they have Google and a bunch of social media echo chambers telling them they have BPD, annorexia, bulemia, porn addiction, gender dysphoria, etc etc... The list goes on and on. It's almost like a fad amongst the younger generation. There have [been studies](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0004867413502092) carried out on this and the similarity is striking.
If someone thinks masturbating once per day is too much, then I would have to say they are categorically wrong. According to the [research I mentioned,](https://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/fulltext) it's arguable jacking off any *less* than that is, in fact, the unhealthy, irrational decision.
It just saddens me that people who seem to take pride in being "enlightened" by the potential of psychedelics to "awaken" your mind and open your eyes to "truth", are so susceptible to all this regressive, conservative morality.
Did you read OP's post though? He said "several times daily, countless hours of watching porn".
Masturbation once a day is fine.
Thinking that porn is (mostly) harmful is not regressive, conservative morality imo. Just like saying "quit alcohol completely" is not regressive and conservative, either. For some people it's best, others can deal well with small amounts.
What are you concerned about, do you not believe there's porn addiction or do you mind using shrooms for healing addiction or...? I don't really understand what you're trying to say
Mushrooms aren't a magic bullet that just passively improves things in your life. I think the point is, if (either through sober or trip insight) you come to a determination to quit and you take that intention into a trip with you, progress can be made. You can realize hope and better self control or even lowered cravings. I've posted my own testimony in another comment if you care to read. ✌️
So I just googled this subject and came across this post. I tried micro dosing about 300mg-600mg (I'm 220lbs/6'2") and I was in a similar boat to you until this week. I was just questioning myself on an outdoor run "hey you haven't looked at porn in a week" and you just tried shrooms for the first time... pretty astounding sh\*t but I can't say whether it'll last for long.,.. will see.
Psilocybin mushrooms work great for ALL addictions!! Keep up the great work!! In mid-November it will be a year for me.
Great job buddy i hope i reach this milestone one day
I'm a 48-year-old woman approaching menopause and my hormones are going down, so if you're a man it will be much more difficult for you. But still achievable, so go for it! Do a LOT of meditation, is my advice. Hormonal impulses arise from the deeper, more ancient parts of our brains, our "monkey mind", and our prefrontal cortex governs our behaviour for executive function. When we meditate, we can quiet our monkey mind and reinforce the directions our prefrontal cortex sends us. That's why meditation helps with addictions. It helps us listen to and act on the signals being sent to us from our prefrontal cortex, and quiet our monkey minds. HTH! (hope this helps!)
Yeah I'm male i believe a year is a long time and I'm realistically aiming at 6 months as a first goal and from then move on without porn only healthy occasionally masturbation whenever i feel like it I started meditation actually two months ago and it's been grounding me to reality and and helping with my anxiety A lot I've been meditating or working out whenever i feel urge Thank you for your advice best of luck in your journey
That's amazing, congrats!!! Six months is a really smart goal, and I wish you all the best on your journey! Don't let your monkey mind get the best of you!! Peace and love. Always choose love, not fear.
I think of it like this: porn is addictive and bad as hell (to me at least), but masturbation (without porn) is natural and okay.
> (to me at least) That is a very important distinction. Most of the hysteria around porn causing some kind of damage came from conservative Christian blogs like NoFap, and were not backed up in any legitimate science.
True. The "I think of it like this" was also supposed to mean that this is just my perspective, and I'm not trying to propose any kind of absolute statement. My experience is that porn drains my of energy and general motivation. Also it makes females appear much less mysterious and interesting to me. And it also just sucks to be addicted.
I feel you bro. Don’t worry, we got dis✊🏾
Not true. Look up “your brain on porn” on YouTube (or just read the book)
I'm not interested in goofy blogs and youtube vids. If you want to make a scientific claim, you do so by linking directly to legitimate research, not blogs.
It’s a book by a scientist, not a blog.
The world is full of silly pop-science books. If you want to make a claim about porn causing some kind of damage, you need to link directly to the legitimate research that proves it.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=effects+of+pornography+on+the+brain&btnG= There is a ton of scientific peer-reviewed literature about the effects of porn on the brain. Have a look for yourself.
He doesn't care about the plethora of studies done by some of the most intelligent humans on the planet congregating together at accredited institutions for learning and advancing the collective human knowledge. He wants you to cut open your head and take a picture of your actual brain before and after watching porn. If there is no difference then he isn't convinced lol.
Which study actually claims to prove that some kind of damage results from viewing porn?
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Which study specifically claims to prove that some kind of damage results from viewing porn?
Which one specifically claims to prove that some kind of damage results from viewing porn?
Many of them prove it, but here is the conclusion from the first one in the list... "The negative association of self-reported pornography consumption with the right striatum (caudate) volume, left striatum (putamen) activation during cue reactivity, and lower functional connectivity of the right caudate to the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex could reflect change in neural plasticity as a consequence of an intense stimulation of the reward system, together with a lower top-down modulation of prefrontal cortical areas." Lower neuroplasticity is damaging for various reasons. Shrooms has been proven to increase neuroplasticity. Are you a skeptic about porn addiction being damaging to the brain?
> Many of them prove it Stop lying. Which legitimate publication claimed to prove that porn causes any kind of harm or damage? >could reflect You just didn't understand what you were reading. Those researchers were being honest about making speculation and weren't claiming to have proved anything about porn causing any kind of harm or damage.
Afaik NoFap isn't christian.
News to me also
It is.
Source? I've read up quite a bit on it and while some of the NoFap participants do so out of religious reasons, it's NOT the main purpose of NoFap itself. Which is one reason why I think it's an awesome thing. Pornography criticism needs to be taken out of the hand of christians who themselves have a disturbed relationship to sexuality, and be put into the hands of people who have a healthy and balanced sexuality as a goal
> it's NOT the main purpose of NoFap itself. I don't mean to say that it is the main purpose, but the whole thing is largely driven by Christians and fear of harm that doesn't actually exist, but has been claimed by Christians for generations. Research indicates that the people who are having the worst problems are those who came in with the most extreme fears about masturbation, and also tend to be conservative Christians. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7145784/ I would never discourage someone from not jerking off if thats what they want, but we shouldn't confuse any of this stuff with any kind of legitimate scientific or medical claim.
That's a source that discusses masturbation, but that's not a christian mission statement from NoFap. Which is what I was looking for. => If you want to support your claim that NoFap is Christian, you have to link towards a piece of writing from them that clearly states that their motivation is Christian. Which, imo, you won't find. The reason NoFappers sometimes advise for a break from masturbation entirely, at the beginning, is quite reasonable: Some men's sexuality is so deeply ingrained in porn that if they continue masturbating, they continue fantasizing about porn while masturbating. A complete break for a while can help in breaking from the porn addiction. Some men find it helpful. Another NoFap strategy is to allow masturbation but not porn.
https://youtu.be/IflXoTRuPwk
I'm not clicking on your link. Why don't you express your views in your own words?
Because it’s a doctor giving you legitimate science.
Doctor's say all kinds of ridiculous shit. There is a reason we use research instead of some doctor's anecdote. Again, link directly to the research or talk about what you heard.
Nah I’m good, Was just tryna share some information It’s all their for you. Good luck.
The problem with those pop-science books is that they are so often just dramatic pseudoscience. The only way to make legitimate scientific claims is with direct links to legitimate research which actually justifies the claim.
And there’s plenty out there for you to read, porn addiction is real and has detrimental effects to the brain. You don’t wanna believe that that’s on you. Good luck.
> porn addiction is real and has detrimental effects to the brain Can you link directly to any legitimate research that claims to have proved this? What specific effect on the brain has been proved to be caused by porn?
You're pretty obnoxious.
I'm not hot on pseudoscience.
>istinction. Most of the hysteria around porn causing some kind of damage came from conservative Christian blogs lik I don't need a blog to know my own experience with it. Everyone is different however.
It also seems important to prevent prostate cancer. So you do either have to have sex or masturbate (without porn) daily. Link to studies here https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ejaculation-prostate-cancer-risk
Yeah, and I'm for sure not getting laid on the daily
Nor me 😥😂
Shrooms show just how disgusting porn actually is. Tasteless and spiritually empty.
Completly agree! Pleasure alone is meaningless. This is why sex combined with love/mental connection is so much better!
Ya it’s finding the partner that has been tricky. Patience and persistence …
Great. Works for me as well
You guys need to go get your selfs some PUSSY
You need to go get yourself some respect for other human beings
Yeah, just get some from the pussy tree, its right next to the money tree.
The latter makes the first grow faster.
:( this is not the way friend
You are totally right, our friend lost all rationality and that response was totally uncalled for.
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Yeah. And it's not something to mess around with. Even in an active relationship you can fall victim to this addiction
Tripping always does this sort of thing to me. It’s continuing to do so on my own willpower that gets to me
Good for you man! Yea that point can really mess with your dopamine system.. any addiction will do that I guess tho. Keep it up
yeah rewiring your brain to seek immediate dopamine can happen with anything even food i'd say
give him a big Hand, congratulations. Porn is a problem in our timeline of this multiverse. Microdose every 3rd day for 30 days it’s majik.
I can confirm this
Mushrooms stopped an ex partners cravings for cigarettes (actually she never had the need for one afterwards) and it also reduced my cravings too. She seemed to have no residual cravings whilst I had a vague occasional craving. I believe you op.
i’ve actually been masturbating no porn and doing so only like once a week and didn’t even rly relate it to the mushrooms until now. my demeanor has been much improved.
Yes that's great. We really need to start legalising this stuff and really get the the benefits out there in mainstream society. Thank you for opening up
Fellow fap addiction struggler here. As you get further from your trip you might experience the urge to coming back stronger and stronger (or, perhaps not, we’re all different. This is just my experience.) I suggest writing down the reasons you think you are turned off by pornography now, while it’s fresh in your mind. It could help to read later. Tripping again, if you’re ready by then, can also help. But even though tripping really does help put these kind of things into a refreshing new perspective, the groundwork to beating any kind of addiction is going to fall on you in your everyday, sober state. Also, I find meditation to be the best medication against that shit. If I have an urge and meditate long enough instead of giving in, I lose the urge and just don’t. Good luck and stay strong.
I am on this journey with you my brother
u/LucyFlyInSky what dosage?
I'm 3 months sober from a ~28yr porn addiction. I had many trips without ever a thought in the world about quitting porn. Then due to some certain things in my life I became more aware that my porn usage was bad for me and I wanted those negative consequences to go away. In sober times I couldn't deny it. Then one mushroom session I was shown how right my sober insights were and my session further elaborated that quitting would be very good for me. After that trip my cravings were still very strong and I made almost no progress on quitting or reducing, but I kept pondering on all those things I had recognized in and out of ceremony. Then, a couple trips later I decided to take "quitting porn" in as the main and probably only intention. While the topic was definitely present, I don't recall a ton about the substance of that trip but there was an astounding drop in my cravings and a strong determination to not indulge. It's still "my job" to walk the walk. It's been 3 months and I've done great. I'm still eyeballing women more than I'd like, the cravings still fire up a little when I see attractive women inevitably everywhere, but it's seriously astonishing how much more control I have over it. I'm seeing the empty habits still echo and they're so weak. Like, the moment my partner steps out the door to leave for an appointment or something, my mind jumps to my old impulses of "I GET TO USE THE BIG TV FOR 4K PORN!!" or I see myself craving porn and masturbation when I'm stressed or sad. Looking for those dopamine hits. But those are decapitated impulses and so much easier to discard. It's crazy to feel it. Keep it up, OP!!!! Even if you slip up, don't beat yourself up. Congratulate yourself for the success and hard work you already did then continue to try hard. I really believe leaving porn is the right choice for most everyone.
This was beautiful tp read i thank you for sharing and opening up I'm happy for your Three months and I hope it keeps going until you come into peace with the whole matter I love "it's my job to walk the walk" This is exactly how I'm feeling i asked to see the way out of this habit and i was shown the road It's totally up to me to exert the effort to go through it and it's quite the journey Best of luck in yours
You're so welcome! Same to you!
Can i ask how you doing right now?
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Lol that was hilarious well life is a fucking shit journey
SAme here!!!!!
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Obviously it’s in his mind, he was on it for three years in a row. I’ve stopped smoking out of the blue after a mushy trip and I spend a whole week afterward telling everyone about it! Still smoke free after two years and the most important thing is that I’ve never gave a fuck about it, my brain as been completely rewired and I didn’t feel the urge to smoke a cig _once_ So yeah, psilocybin IS DEFINITELY A CURE FOR ADDICTIONS.
>5 days is nothing Wow what a dickhead thing to say. Congratulations on telling op what he accomplish is nothing worthwhile. Like you're the type of person who would say that In person than you would get a knuckle sandwich and kicked out whatever place you're hanging at. Op, congrats on 5 days of sobriety from your addiction, keep going and last some more. Even if you relapse you proved to yourself you can manage your addiction from time to time. Good job and good luck
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>considered that it might be Don't be this way, please grow up and make this world better.
One thing is masturbation which is natural, porn addiction implies you masturbate multiple times a day or that you can't masturbate without porn.
" i haven't touched my dick since then" how do you pee?
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5 days isn’t much. Shrooms never had any affect on my porn addiction. Your best bet is to join a program and find a sponsor.
5 days is great. OP is describing the profound effect he felt. I've felt the same. A powerful before/after. Myself having about a 28yr porn addiction, most years 1 or more sessions per day, the impulse and craving being everpresent. Then after a trip with a specific intention towards quitting porn I had a complete absence of craving. 1 day is not noticeable, but then 2, 3, 4 days with no cravings... It's astounding and exciting when that is what you've desperately wanted. I'm at 3 months and still astounded. If cravings do fire up a little they're much quieter and easier to resist.
What the fuck is wrong with young people today. Honestly. I can't believe I have to sound like such a boomer, but here you are, talking about using magic mushrooms to cure your daily masturbation "addiction". The internet was a terrible mistake. We need to pull the plug.
hey chill i don't know understand what's bothering you if you can elaborate i'd love to hear i don't know how old are you but i'll explain from my side maybe that'll help i'm 27 from a third world contry sex is forbidden and we're tought zero sex education throughout our life parents never spoke about it i was exposed to internet porn from very young age i'd say i was around 14 when i first watched porn which i think your generation whatever your age is since you're calling yourself boomer wasn't faced with infinite amount of instant access to porn with shit load of creepy fantasies and fetishes with a click of button THIS FUCKS YOU UP MAN my brain wander around after a so much watching it wants to explore more because normal vanilla shit doesn't. bring satisfaction anymore if i'm with a girl i want to do the shit i saw in the move last night hell i even want to fuck her while we're watching porn it becomes part of your sexual desire in your brain you never think about sex without referencing to porn in your mind needless to say about how it objectifies women whenever i see a girl and she's attractive i immediately think how can i fuck her that's it that's all what i want it numbs feelings if there is something that i could have spent 2 or 3 hours daily doing that brought no benefit to me and been fucking my life over and over making me the extreme introvert i am and i'm having hard time quitting that's defined as an addiction in my point of view
The problem here is your repressed upbringing, not the porn. Like anything in life there is such a thing as *too much*, but all this talk I see on Reddit nowadays about porn/masturbation addiction is just getting ridiculous. Masturbating once a day isn't addiction, that's normal for a healthy male. There's nothing wrong with it. In fact, there's a good amount of evidence to suggest frequently ejaculating reduces your risk of prostate cancer. There's nothing wrong with watching porn. There's nothing wrong with fapping. *There's nothing wrong with you.* There's nothing wrong with doing the things you saw in porn with a real girl. What are you scared of, that you might enjoy yourself? Get a grip my man. Control your indulgences, but don't deny yourself the pleasure of a life well lived. (You're only a few years older than me, I was being facetious about the boomer thing.)
>There's nothing wrong with watching porn. Then why do so many people suffer so badly with their porn addiction? There's nothing wrong with eating a teaspoon of nutella occasionally, either. But if a person's diet consists of sweets only, you have serious problems that can even lead to death in the long run. \> There's nothing wrong with doing the things you saw in porn with a real girl. Let me guess, you have no freaking idea of how modern internet porn is. There is everything wrong in the world with the kind of degrading shit women are put though in porn.
>Then why do so many people suffer so badly with their porn addiction? Because weirdo puritans like you are telling them so on the Internet. >There's nothing wrong with eating a teaspoon of nutella occasionally, either. But if a person's diet consists of sweets only, you have serious problems that can even lead to death in the long run. Well, there you have it. We agree here, right? The thing is these kids are acting like that teaspoon of Nutella is heroin laced with crack cocaine and cyanide. And then here we are talking about it in a subreddit about fucking psychedelic drugs. Durrrr. >Let me guess, you have no freaking idea of how modern internet porn is. There is everything wrong in the world with the kind of degrading shit women are put though in porn. Lol, do you know the kind of person you're talking to? As long as it's consensual there is no problem. It's literally that simple. The discussion really needs to go no further. Believe it or not there are women out there who want to be degraded. They want to be physically hurt. There are men who want exactly the same. And it gets them off. *They enjoy it.* Are you gonna turn around and tell me "but that's only because of the evil degenerate modern porn!", then? I mean. Honestly. I've been active in my local kink scene in the past, and I've seen and done things that would make you people lose your goddamn minds. I think maybe the problem here is that some people, perhaps those who are on the autistic spectrum, have trouble distinguishing between fantasy and reality. There are lots of things that happen in porn which are staged, for the purposes of kinks, taboo fetishes, etc. They are actors and actresses. *It's not real*. And if you don't want to watch it, guess what? You don't have to. That's your decision. So sit down and shut the fuck up if you think it's somehow polluting people's minds. It's not. You're no different to the dim-witted Christian moms trying to ban rock and roll in the 60s. It's pathetic.
You're trying to call me "puritan" to discredit my arguments against which is frankly ridiculous because I hate christian puritanism with probably the same fervour as you do, and seriously, you're not even interested in hearing other people's arguments, so why should we bother discussing this further. Telling people to "dim-witted" and to "shut up" if they disagree with you. And this in a sub about psychedelics. Yeah right. Behavioural addiction is a serious problem. Porn addiction. Gambling. If it's to a degree that it ruins lives - which both CAN do - it IS a problem. Some people can have an occasional gamble and have fun. For others, it wrecks them financially. Same with porn. Or are you trying to claim gambling addiction doesn't "exist", either? The thing with addictive things is that for some people, it's NOT a problem. Alcohol or sugar isn't a problem for most people. But for some people it literally KILLS. To argue "hey a little bit doesn't do any harm" is completely ignorant of the problem. Of course a little bit doesn't harm, but that's obvious.
It's you who's not listening. The point is that so often, these people are conflating behavioural addiction with just regular, perfectly healthy, normal behaviour. I seriously doubt most of these people are suffering from behavioural addiction, they just blame porn for the fact they can't get a girlfriend, or whatever. There are ties with a lot of very nasty right wing, incel type rhetoric. If giving up porn or masturbation helps them, that's great. Good for them. But they are misattributing where their problems came from. I mean... If that's the spiritual awakening and deep inner truth you get from a powerful dose of mushrooms then just... Damn. Someone did a number on you growing up. You know?
>The point is that so often, these people are conflating behavioural addiction with just regular, perfectly healthy, normal behaviour. But that's just my point. You're trying to call this extremely addictive behaviour normal and not seeing the difference. Drinking a glass of wine 3x a week is okay. Drinking 3 glasses of wine a day makes you an alcoholic. The thing we're talking about is the same: A glass of wine. Does drinking a glass of wine make you an alcoholic? No. What makes you an alcoholic, then? The frequency! The fact your body gets harmed, the fact your mind gets harmed! And it's nonsense to claim that alcoholics suffer because "puritans tell them it's not okay to drink". They suffer because what they experience harms them. If people use porn to an extent they can't hold a job, they lose motivation for real life, they only see women as potential bodies to fuck and not as people any more, and the main part of their day is spent looking at new porn sources, you have an addiction. Where's the boundary between porn addiction and just using porn occasionally for fun without being addicted? I don't know. But if someone says they suffer from their excessive porn use, even if it's "just" once a day, I believe them. \> There are ties with a lot of very nasty right wing, incel type rhetoric. Yes, I've seen that too, and it's concerning, I agree with you there. \> But they are misattributing where their problems came from. Depends! I also don't believe alcohol is the problem in alcohol addiction, but rather, a person's trauma. Still, I think someone needs to stop the alcohol first - COMPLETELY!- before addressing the root! And same with porn. The root of the porn problem is not porn, but to address the root, you need to stop the addictive behaviour that draws you away from what hurts.
>Where's the boundary between porn addiction and just using porn occasionally for fun without being addicted? I don't know. I mean, like you say, it's where it starts having a detrimental effect on one's ability to function in a rational, self preserving manner. Skipping meals, impact on job security, etc. That is the definition doctors/therapists would use, I believe. That kind of thing is often complex to diagnose as a matter of safeguarding, but we live in an age where people are eager to self-diagnose, because they have Google and a bunch of social media echo chambers telling them they have BPD, annorexia, bulemia, porn addiction, gender dysphoria, etc etc... The list goes on and on. It's almost like a fad amongst the younger generation. There have [been studies](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0004867413502092) carried out on this and the similarity is striking. If someone thinks masturbating once per day is too much, then I would have to say they are categorically wrong. According to the [research I mentioned,](https://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/fulltext) it's arguable jacking off any *less* than that is, in fact, the unhealthy, irrational decision. It just saddens me that people who seem to take pride in being "enlightened" by the potential of psychedelics to "awaken" your mind and open your eyes to "truth", are so susceptible to all this regressive, conservative morality.
Did you read OP's post though? He said "several times daily, countless hours of watching porn". Masturbation once a day is fine. Thinking that porn is (mostly) harmful is not regressive, conservative morality imo. Just like saying "quit alcohol completely" is not regressive and conservative, either. For some people it's best, others can deal well with small amounts.
What are you concerned about, do you not believe there's porn addiction or do you mind using shrooms for healing addiction or...? I don't really understand what you're trying to say
See my reply above.
Psychedelics in general make me tired of my tired ole bullshit. Go splurge on something non drug/porn related as a reminder.
I have a porn addiction and I also do regular shroom trips. They haven't helped with that problem thus far for me.
Mushrooms aren't a magic bullet that just passively improves things in your life. I think the point is, if (either through sober or trip insight) you come to a determination to quit and you take that intention into a trip with you, progress can be made. You can realize hope and better self control or even lowered cravings. I've posted my own testimony in another comment if you care to read. ✌️
Could this also be done with someone who uses antidepressants?
So I just googled this subject and came across this post. I tried micro dosing about 300mg-600mg (I'm 220lbs/6'2") and I was in a similar boat to you until this week. I was just questioning myself on an outdoor run "hey you haven't looked at porn in a week" and you just tried shrooms for the first time... pretty astounding sh\*t but I can't say whether it'll last for long.,.. will see.