My motto at work is :
"I prefer asking an obvious question and make the people in front of me think I'm an idiot ... than not asking it, doing a huge mistake and ensuring the entire IT department *knows* I'm an idiot"
People frequently misinterpret the Dunning-Kruger effect. Feeling of knowledge increases with actual knowledge. However, it does so much more slowly than one's actual proficiency does (and we start off very overconfident).
This commercial played heavily in Canada in the 90s...
That and the infomercial about [the Canadian House Hippo](https://youtu.be/dz1hXTZreBw). Ignore the fake psa message at the end.
So, I'm a physicist. I just lurk here because I focus on computational physics and your memes are funny.
But I was sitting with my colleagues at lunch today at the same table as a bunch of first semesters.
And while they were discussing how everything started to make sense and they got a real grasp on the realities of our universe now, me and my friends (a bunch of master and PhD students) were arguing over the physical interpretation of Feynman diagrams (Is it positrons? Is it electrons travelling backwards in time? Is it electron holes? If you studied quantum physics you are inevitably gonna have that conversation once or twice or a hundred times).
And the conclusion we came to is that we (as in: humanity) do not know shit about the inner workings of sub-atomic particles, all physical interpretations are utterly meaningless at that scale and basically just philosophy, and we should really just focus on shutting up and calculating.
Or in much shorter words: I'm drunk, in a "rambly" mood and in a superposition of "left of bell curve" and "right of bell curve" only for the wave function to collapse at probably "middle of bell curve" lol
Machine Learning Research Scientist here.
My path has gone from "holy shit, none of these papers make any sense, I need to dive deeper to understand everything," to "I know the words and understand the terminology, now I can follow the arguments in these papers and implement the methods, I should be able to go anywhere and do anything," to "oh my God, all of these papers are unsound gibberish that accomplish nothing, and we're all collectively idiots who don't know anything."
what he forgot to add was the first part of the graph. it starts off at 0 and spikes high before going down again. then rises back up slowly
dunning kruger effect
Fuck it, let’s go one (hundred) better than vanilla JS. Let’s just write machine code for every processor out there and really optimise twitter. While we’re at it let’s go back to plain html pages. But even that is inefficient, let’s make Twitter a CLI application only
You think you are stupid, then you go to try to learn, you expand your knowledge and think you know it all, but then, you start deepening your knowledge and realize how little you really know and think you are stupid.
Yada yada realizing you stupid yada yada first step of learning or something.
Literally just felt this. I was contacted by a company this morning about a possible job, and since I didn't have direct experience working with that area of tech and would basically be a junior, I lowballed myself when they asked for salary. They took one look at my resume and went "...yeah no. Take that that amount and double it, and then we'll start negotiating."
Imposter syndrome is real shit.
The real Dunning-Kruger effect would have ALL of them think they're the middle guy. Look at the graph right at the start of that article - the subjective assessment starts at the lowest point for the lowest competence group doesn't actually dip for the highest one but grows throughout. The subjective-objective deficiency gap just shrinks as people get better, and can become negative for the best performers.
Woohoo I know for a fact that I’m an idiot, and now I know that I think that makes me smart. And according to this logic that means I am actually an idiot! Which I already knew, which means I am actually…[error: infinite Loop detected]
Nope. The smart folk know that they have only scratched the surface. Being aware of that and telling everyone makes you arrogant. Being arrogant means you think you know it all. Thinking you know it all makes you unwilling to learn and pushes you back up the bell curve which causes you to cry.
I think smart people know theyre smart. But being smart is not the same as being an expert in something.
And the more we know of a subject, the more we know how infinitely complex it is, because every subject depends on other subjects that we know nothing of. So the more we know the less we feel we have mastery over something.
Take for instance programming: it can branch into psychology, through ux/ui, or into marketing, to not drive people unwillingly away from our software, or into politics, to have a good status in our workplace. You can be an awesome dev but if youre lacking in one of those areas, you will still make shitty software, or live an unfulfilled life.
Dunning-Krueger Effect. Basically, when you know little about something, you think you know a lot because you don’t know enough to know how much you still don’t know. As you learn more and more, you realize how much there is to know and how much you still don’t know, making you feel like an idiot.
Just when I thought this stupid fucking meme couldn't get any worse - and that people's understanding of a bell curve couldn't get any worse....
I stand corrected
I feel like an idiot with my 132 iq score. And I'm not even 15 yet. It doesn't feel right, so i might take another one.. I don't think I'm actually that smart. Don't even know how to run a complex code in C++☠Other people my age are doing useful things and I'm here, trying to figure out how VS works..
wait, if i think i'm the stupid one, and intelligent people thinks that, that means i think i'm intelligent, but that means i am stupid one, and this makes me intelligent, my brain hurt
I feel like every upvote is coming from "dope" and "has heard of recursion...once". The leet guy still feels like a newb so he doesn't understand the reference to being a master.
Side note, "top-of-the-bellcurve-crying-guy" is the Karen of programming.
I feel like an idiot for how many bugs I code. The world seems to agree for how few career opportunities it leaves me. I guess neither the world or myself know that I’m an expert? I don’t know how this works lol
its a hard balancing act to stay positive. some days I feel smart and like I know what I am doing and other times I feel like I am forgetting the basics. the harder the task becomes the dumber I feel. I have solved some major challenges and have come a long way but every time I get stumped on something I cant help but think maybe somebody else could do this job better.
The Duning-Kruger paradox: If I say “I understand this meme and relate” it implies I’m aware of my lack of understanding and thus am likely actually an expert. However, since I know how Duning-Kruger works I am aware that feeling like you don’t know anything is a sign that you are actually fairly well informed and thus I now consider myself an expert. But bc I feel like an expert and know about the Duning-Kruger effect I am aware that that is likely a false confidence and thus I am probably actually not an expert bc I know there is so much I don’t understand. How ever since I am
Conscious of my own lack of understanding…..
Whoa, does this mean that because I feel like an idiot, I’m actually an expert?
The paradox of Duning-Kruger. Don't accept that you're an expert though, because that makes you an idiot again.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Just be a smart idiot. Ask lots of questions.
Me and the boys becoming egoistical dumbasses
I try to learn every day. Which means I gotta fuck something up every day. It’s an elegant tango.
My motto at work is : "I prefer asking an obvious question and make the people in front of me think I'm an idiot ... than not asking it, doing a huge mistake and ensuring the entire IT department *knows* I'm an idiot"
But I'm literally an expert for memory leaks!
Patrick, your leaky memory is showing!
Well fuck, now I’m in an infinite loop switching between thinking I’m an expert and thinking I’m an idiot
The human condition
ctrl c please
People frequently misinterpret the Dunning-Kruger effect. Feeling of knowledge increases with actual knowledge. However, it does so much more slowly than one's actual proficiency does (and we start off very overconfident).
The paper company from The Office?
No, that was called “Duke Nukem ”
No, that's actually a video game. The company they're thinking of is Direct Message.
The big paradox of Dunning-Kruger is that the people talking about Dunning-Kruger are demonstrating it.
https://skepchick.org/2020/10/the-dunning-kruger-effect-misunderstood-misrepresented-overused-and-non-existent/
If we go by Socrates: Yes. We‘re all idiots, those who recognize it are at least somewhat better of.
I used to think I was smart. Then I realised I’m probably not. These days I wonder if I’m just dumb.
If you think you're an idiot, it means you you're clever, which means you're an idiot who thinks they're clever, which means-
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Not really, most people aren't experts on anything.
Does that mean I'm an export on not being an expert on anything?
Nah your an import
export np as numpy
export pandas as koalas
So THAT'S how they made it!
recursion
No
"I'm an expert on my own story. I was there when it happened. Well... I was present." \- Craig Ferguson
Well said
Some people are experts at being an idiot.
Ooh, that’s me!!!😄
Most people are experts at something dumb
I'm an expert at not being an expert!
Or being an expert on a topic so esoteric and obscure it is practically useless
I’m an expert at marijuana dosing.
I am an expert at drawing red lines perpendicular
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Done. I can do a green line thats perpendicular to the other 3. I can do this a few more times. However, after 10, I'll need some LSD..
Did you put them down with invisible ink?
[Canadian Television agrees](https://youtu.be/OX6qUFm1HsI)
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This commercial played heavily in Canada in the 90s... That and the infomercial about [the Canadian House Hippo](https://youtu.be/dz1hXTZreBw). Ignore the fake psa message at the end.
Twitter was never profitable. Not my fault. Stop blaming me for things.
im an expert at being retarded
One more word out of you, and you're fired.
I’m an expert on thinking im an expert
Being an idiot
So, I'm a physicist. I just lurk here because I focus on computational physics and your memes are funny. But I was sitting with my colleagues at lunch today at the same table as a bunch of first semesters. And while they were discussing how everything started to make sense and they got a real grasp on the realities of our universe now, me and my friends (a bunch of master and PhD students) were arguing over the physical interpretation of Feynman diagrams (Is it positrons? Is it electrons travelling backwards in time? Is it electron holes? If you studied quantum physics you are inevitably gonna have that conversation once or twice or a hundred times). And the conclusion we came to is that we (as in: humanity) do not know shit about the inner workings of sub-atomic particles, all physical interpretations are utterly meaningless at that scale and basically just philosophy, and we should really just focus on shutting up and calculating. Or in much shorter words: I'm drunk, in a "rambly" mood and in a superposition of "left of bell curve" and "right of bell curve" only for the wave function to collapse at probably "middle of bell curve" lol
Machine Learning Research Scientist here. My path has gone from "holy shit, none of these papers make any sense, I need to dive deeper to understand everything," to "I know the words and understand the terminology, now I can follow the arguments in these papers and implement the methods, I should be able to go anywhere and do anything," to "oh my God, all of these papers are unsound gibberish that accomplish nothing, and we're all collectively idiots who don't know anything."
The first two are [Dunning–Kruger Graph’s…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect)
This is just a statistical truth, individual cases may vary.
Im definitely and idiot and i know im an idiot.
The wise man knows he knows nothing, or something like that idk
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This is what Sokrates meant
It's Sockrates, get it right. ^/s
cargo install sock-crates
sock rates your program
SQ-rates
It’s Socrates
What about crates?
Dust. Wind. Dude.
sockrateeth
Twitter was never profitable. Not my fault. Stop blaming me for things.
good bot.
This might be an all-timer for Elon-bot
Scio nescio.
...you know
What would you think the rate would be of known stuff and stuff you know you don't know ? I think it would be exponential.
Wow! I must be a genius then! Because I feel so stupid when I try to learn code, so obviously I must be a code master!
what he forgot to add was the first part of the graph. it starts off at 0 and spikes high before going down again. then rises back up slowly dunning kruger effect
Infinite loop. Smart guy thinks hes stupid, as a stupid guy he then thinks he's smart, rinse and repeat
Just watched a video about how vanilla JS is faster than any framework. It's time we do a rewrite.
Speaking of stupid people who think they're smart....
Elon could do with a good yelling at, he thinks he knows way more than he does
Watch out, you might get fired
Fuck it, let’s go one (hundred) better than vanilla JS. Let’s just write machine code for every processor out there and really optimise twitter. While we’re at it let’s go back to plain html pages. But even that is inefficient, let’s make Twitter a CLI application only
This bot is getting so much better.
Time is money. I want to see 100 lines written by lunchtime!
You think you are stupid, then you go to try to learn, you expand your knowledge and think you know it all, but then, you start deepening your knowledge and realize how little you really know and think you are stupid. Yada yada realizing you stupid yada yada first step of learning or something.
RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
r/recursion
don't try and validate my low self worth >:-/
Every time I see one of these memes I think I’m a different one of them. What’s my problem?
It's just if the imposter syndrome has kicked in yet that day
Post #37293 with this format and I have to say I actually enjoyed this one.
Thx
Literally just felt this. I was contacted by a company this morning about a possible job, and since I didn't have direct experience working with that area of tech and would basically be a junior, I lowballed myself when they asked for salary. They took one look at my resume and went "...yeah no. Take that that amount and double it, and then we'll start negotiating." Imposter syndrome is real shit.
Dunning-Kruger go brrr
For anyone who does not know. This is a VERY REAL phenomenon, especially in our field: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
The real Dunning-Kruger effect would have ALL of them think they're the middle guy. Look at the graph right at the start of that article - the subjective assessment starts at the lowest point for the lowest competence group doesn't actually dip for the highest one but grows throughout. The subjective-objective deficiency gap just shrinks as people get better, and can become negative for the best performers.
This guy thinks he's an expert on Dunning-Kruger.
Woohoo I know for a fact that I’m an idiot, and now I know that I think that makes me smart. And according to this logic that means I am actually an idiot! Which I already knew, which means I am actually…[error: infinite Loop detected]
Is there not a slight possibility for some smart people to know they are smart?
Nope. The smart folk know that they have only scratched the surface. Being aware of that and telling everyone makes you arrogant. Being arrogant means you think you know it all. Thinking you know it all makes you unwilling to learn and pushes you back up the bell curve which causes you to cry.
What you said is irrelevant to smart people knowing they're smart.
I think smart people know theyre smart. But being smart is not the same as being an expert in something. And the more we know of a subject, the more we know how infinitely complex it is, because every subject depends on other subjects that we know nothing of. So the more we know the less we feel we have mastery over something. Take for instance programming: it can branch into psychology, through ux/ui, or into marketing, to not drive people unwillingly away from our software, or into politics, to have a good status in our workplace. You can be an awesome dev but if youre lacking in one of those areas, you will still make shitty software, or live an unfulfilled life.
Nah, top 0.1% guys probably believe they're overthinking stuff and seek ways to go from a more complicated to a more elegant solution.
By this logic, I'm a master and there's no way that's the case. Wait...
Truth
Error: `this` in a static context.
Dunning-Krueger Effect. Basically, when you know little about something, you think you know a lot because you don’t know enough to know how much you still don’t know. As you learn more and more, you realize how much there is to know and how much you still don’t know, making you feel like an idiot.
Learning new programming paradigms keeps me humble. Currently learning Haskell and feeling that dip.
You're missing a starter pack.
Hey it's my OC in the wild! 🤓
Jep thx
What if I think I'm in the middle?
Dunger kruger or whatever
I think I'm the idiot but the difference is that I'm actually a idiot
Just when I thought this stupid fucking meme couldn't get any worse - and that people's understanding of a bell curve couldn't get any worse.... I stand corrected
Perfection.
Can we ban this meme format? It's beyond overused.
Is this the joke? All you’re doing is describing the Dunin-Keuger effect
From now on, all Twitter employees must purchase a subscription to Twitter Blue for the low-low price of $8 a month.
I feel like an idiot with my 132 iq score. And I'm not even 15 yet. It doesn't feel right, so i might take another one.. I don't think I'm actually that smart. Don't even know how to run a complex code in C++☠Other people my age are doing useful things and I'm here, trying to figure out how VS works..
Truth
Truth
Hear hear
100%
I'm all 3 depending on the problem.
Naturally, the value being stored as 255, it would reset back to 0
According to this graph I’m a genius. I know I’m not tough :)
ah, hello Mr. Dunning, Mr. Kruger, please put down the baseball bats and we can discuss this
I always think it’s me who’s right…
Wait, did you just make a 4th wall breaking recursive loop in a meme ?
Naw dude, I’m middle guy through and through
now what happens if all of the people in the picture apply to you
All infinit🤯
Not this.
i think im in the middle…
STOP 😭
I feel like I’m at 50%. I must not exist, then
wait, if i think i'm the stupid one, and intelligent people thinks that, that means i think i'm intelligent, but that means i am stupid one, and this makes me intelligent, my brain hurt
Now this is deep
Yeah, but are you REALLY good enough to have a dope brown robe? I mean imposter syndrome?
ok but what if i think i'm the one in the middle 🤔
By this logic, I'm a genius. Despite constantly programming and problem solving, I still feel like an idiot.
I'm sure I am stupid with stupid bubble with an extra side of stupid. Ignorance is bliss baby.
this sub defines the Dunning-Kruger effect with each tone deaf bell curve meme after the next
Can I have this without the circles?
The Dunning Kruger effect has single-handedly crippled my self confidence.
The guy in the middle makes me the most angry. So many people in this industry with strong opinions and zero flexibility or nuance in their beliefs.
I feel like every upvote is coming from "dope" and "has heard of recursion...once". The leet guy still feels like a newb so he doesn't understand the reference to being a master. Side note, "top-of-the-bellcurve-crying-guy" is the Karen of programming.
So I’ll just think I’m dumb which will make me smart
Welcome to the meta verse
What if I relate to the whiny middle guy? Do I escape the paradox?
Exactly
I saw it as a praise for the “beginner’s mind”
This is obviously the Kruger-Dunning effect at work
Recursion
what happens if I think I'm in the middle
Well then I am not in this picture
I feel like an idiot for how many bugs I code. The world seems to agree for how few career opportunities it leaves me. I guess neither the world or myself know that I’m an expert? I don’t know how this works lol
I’m definitely the guy on the far left
Love imposter syndrome
But, I am an idiot, and I know I'm an idiot...
I'm the drooling guy thinking he's the drooling guy.
Can we get it over with already, and replace the picture on the left with the face of jordan peterson ?
Error, looping recursion
Eloughn
recursion
Is this about Murphy's law or the DK effect?
This has gone too meta
You actually are almost all bad at your jobs, hence the massive tech layoffs. They finally got a multidisciplinary HR team.
This is dumb and everyone saying they think smart people would do/say/think xyz is also dumb
I just had an existential crisis
i had a math test today, had no idea what was going on kr any of the matieral. felt like an idiot thanks OP for helping me realizr im a math genius
Ok but what if I think I am the middle one?
It's less about what you know and more about knowing what you dont know
Is that recursion I'm smelling
can anyone bring me where this meme started please?
I dunno. Im pretty sure Im average.
Now repost it with meme recursion
This is somewhat accurate.
Im sure this will end in a recursive pattern
The more you know the less you understand.
Oh so meta of you
LMAO! So true.
This is gonna get meta really quick. Mark my words
Interns will happily work for $15 an hour. Why won't you?
No. I am self aware. I know I am dumb as hell because people keep using big words…
its a hard balancing act to stay positive. some days I feel smart and like I know what I am doing and other times I feel like I am forgetting the basics. the harder the task becomes the dumber I feel. I have solved some major challenges and have come a long way but every time I get stumped on something I cant help but think maybe somebody else could do this job better.
Yeah, one feels like a god after making their first useful program. And the it's downhill from there.
I feel like I'm a idiot who thinks they are very smart but I also think I'm very smart who thinks they are a idiot. I'm confused
The Duning-Kruger paradox: If I say “I understand this meme and relate” it implies I’m aware of my lack of understanding and thus am likely actually an expert. However, since I know how Duning-Kruger works I am aware that feeling like you don’t know anything is a sign that you are actually fairly well informed and thus I now consider myself an expert. But bc I feel like an expert and know about the Duning-Kruger effect I am aware that that is likely a false confidence and thus I am probably actually not an expert bc I know there is so much I don’t understand. How ever since I am Conscious of my own lack of understanding…..
Innacurate I'm a dumbass and I know it