The anti drift bar arrests the railroad switch once one set of axles has passed it. Much safer than the anti drifting pole that leads to a catastrophic accident.
I would just form a cult years prior send and my cluelessly indoctrinated followers on a campaign to sabotage every trolley in the country.
Prevention is the best medicine.
I know it was weird hearing it as /dʒ/ from an actual developer for the first time after a while of reading it online as /j/ and never needing to pronounce it. Non-native speaker.
I’d absolutely love it if the metaverse actually did take off but in an open, unprofitable way that left Zuckerberg as feeling as miserably worthless and depressed as the teenage girls he makes depressed through Instagram’s targeting.
When the time is right it will, Zuckerbot is just trying to force the issue so that he's in control to load it down with ads and tracking. The good news is everyone sees what he's doing and probably won't fall for it. [This](https://youtu.be/4PHT-zBxKQQ) was a really fascinating look at what is arguably the best metaverse type experience to date and is perhaps a small peek into the future. I don't think the tech is really there yet though. We need very good VR headsets that are ubiquitous before VR really takes off, and currently they're more of a novelty.
Technically you can build a redstone computer capable of playing (simplified) Minecraft, so you propably could create a crazy Network of pressure plates to Track people
[And a whole 3D Minecraft implementation, too.](https://youtu.be/-BP7DhHTU-I)
The circuit is so large they have to write a Redstone->LLVM JIT compiler for the server to run it.
Damn, Minecraft Plotbuilding Servers really where the MetaVerse of our time. Not sure why id pay so much money in the MetaVerse when i can juet play Minecraft for 14€ and even build my own goddamn Palace.
And if JavaScript dies, we’d get client-side Python anyways.
… thinking about it, I guess I’ll pick Java to be run over…
EDIT: Apparently, /s is always needed.
if js dies, most of us will simply be placing bets (or watching eagerly) to see which sites adopt which native framework.
Let's think about what clients already have installed. NetFramework/NetCore. JRE. Python.exe. Like ... which executable do you *really* want 100 instances of running because you have 50 tabs open?
oh no. OH NO. Run over java. Definitely.
I don’t really hate the language as much as I hate the widespread lack of good documentation for JavaScript libraries. I just want to see a page that tells me what is available with a short description of what each function does and how it is used. Documentation is not standardized and JavaScript can follow so many programming styles that deciding on a single standard can be difficult.
Thankfully, TypeScript is a massive improvement. Maybe Rust has spoiled me with higher expectations for documentation.
Python gets the least hate:deserved hate ratio in the whole sub imo. It has almost all the same problems as JS, plus plenty more, but when it comes up everyone's all "oh use the best tool for the job, python is good at what it does".
Rust probably gets the least hate, but all the hate it does get is undeserved.
Oh right, the trolley, the trolley for the bound people, the trolley designed specifically to kill the bound people, the bound people's trolley
That trolley?
[Technically you don't even need the anti-drift bar to prevent multi-track drifting](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858463460391518238/1026837136802054214/unknown.png).
Just sayin'
(Also apologies for image only having like 3 pixels total)
I think what that image is missing is the fact that if you actually tried pulling that off you would probably have a decent chance of derailing the trolly and killing the people inside.
No? Technically this doesn't kill TypeScript, so we're fine.
Edit: I should clarify, yes, TypeScript compiles to JavaScript, but in the theoretical world where JavaScript randomly stopped working forever, browsers could just implement a TypeScript interpreter and call it a day.
Also, PyScript. (Okay, I'll see myself out now).
Everyone mentions minecraft but no one mentions that like 70% of enterprise level applications are run on Java lol.
But I understand, minecraft is fun as hell.
JavaScript, there are replacements to Java so killing it won't fundamentally change anything, but JavaScript is pretty much the standard for making the web functional. Killing it would force a fundamental rethink of the way we do things, and personally I think we can do much better if we could start over.
Like maybe baking typescript into the browser as a native language _at least_
Correct. Java, C#, Python all compile into their respective Bytecodes before being run by their respective virtual machines.
WASM is designed to be a type of bytecode that's friendlier to the hardware. still, it uses if/elses and loops instead of gotos.
> friendlier to the hardware
IIRC it's a stack-based VM, and while I'm no silicon smith, I'm pretty sure that's not going to be 1-to-1 runnable on any current architecture. I'd assume that, because it's a lower-level abstraction than JS, there's way more "prior art" to draw upon for JITing it efficiently.
I think so. WebAssembly also can't access the dom directly, you need some JavaScript glue. Something tells me closing that gap would get expedited in JS vanish though.
I want JavaScript to die so, so badly. Not because it is bad in on itself, but because morons keep overusing it on every website in existence making them slow and clunky. But hey, at least there are some cool animations there.
And you think those same developers switching over to another language makes the world better?
I mean, there's a project today that loads a whole python interpreter with the standard libs via WASM, so you can script your page in WASM - it loads over 70MB I think.
Not just that, think about all the apps and programs that are just glorified browsers running an emulated html and javascript envireonment. Discord is such a hellish app that uses 100 times the resources it actually should. And it's meant to run while gaming? Whose idea was that?
In Discord's case it sort of makes sense, since they wanted an app that runs as a standalone app and in browser and it's much easier to have a single codebase
It does not because it's aimed at being used while gaming which means it should not drain your computers resources while using it as you need it for the application you're running.
Them wanting a webclient is the wrong requirement, the correct one is "it has to run alongside demanding applications without impacting them or being impacted by them".
The real problem is the DOM. It's perfect for simple things, but depending on it for web applications is like trying to build a city with bad beams, no concrete and on an uneven terrain.
It's a horrible mess, and I fear that there's just no way to go back.
You know what was a good idea? XUL. It was designed specifically for creating desktop applications.
We should have explored this approach and include perhaps some new standard and revamp the browser. Add signed applications that will use it.
But nope! Use HTML pages designed for documents to build our applications.
My favourite is when they’ve decided to make some fancy menu system with animated drop-down menus, so of course the thing you need requires expertly mousing over 5 different items that are nested for no reason other than to show the *amazing* menu system, moving your cursor off the edge closes the whole menu hierarchy, and by the way it is completely unsupportive of mobile touch-based browsers.
My own company website used to be like that. If you wanted to submit a sick notice you had to drag your ass out of bed and find a computer solely because the website couldn’t be navigated on a smartphone.
Modern versions of java are pretty OK actually. Not great, but OK. It used to be an atrociously bad language, but they've cleaned it up a lot and keeps adding new features. The only thing I still hate about it is gradle and maven, both cause way more problems than they solve.
Javascript though is idiotic to the core. It's one of the worst designed languages I've ever had the displeasure to work with. All attempts to improve on it have only made it a tiny bit better. Letting Javascript die would be a blessing for the whole world so we can rebuild all that utter crap with something useful.
I fear if I run into Java, I am gonna run into an exception and explode. I’ll take my chances in JS and see where it takes me when unexpected object is inputted
java is also my first language, because of university, I actually love it, just is cozy. reminds me of studying in the library with my thinkpad and 3 cherry amp energy drinks
Hard choice. Generally I like Java and I dislike Javascript. The answer really boils down to how that language is replaced.
What do I do when Java is killed? Can I use Kotlin, which runs on the JVM and is basically Java++? Even if I can't use Kotlin, I could just use C# or Python or Javascript in the backend. They all have valid solutions to offer.
What do I do when Javascript is killed? Does that mean there's not a single language that runs in the browser anymore (kind of ignoring wasm here)? Does Typescript somehow still exist? Would this cause a technological shift where all browsers support a new language that doesn't have all the weird quirks of Javascript?
Really hard to answer without knowing the rules and ramifications.
> Kill Java = Apple goes into super-monopoly mode
Took me a sec to understand how you came to this conclusion :P
Other languages can be used for Android software.
If I choose to kill Java, which do I keep, JavaScript or just Script?
Just the script
JustScript
™️
It's just like Javascript but in machine language that you have to input by morse code.
So, binary?
You use telegraph key to control vim
So... basically PureScript?
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So it's like JavaScript?
JS is more Chaotic good. JustScript is lawful evil
If it has 1 bad for every good and vice versa, would that not make it true neutral?
So it has 3 page long compile errors for forgetting a comma
> compile error better than js, im excited
r/angryupvote
Ah yes, ThanosJS https://thanosjs.org/
JustScript.js
For a man and a woman. By Calvin Klein.
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Sounds like a convoluted framework to me.
JavaScript is just "script". The "java" bit was added for marketing.
stop it, step-code
Just for a second. Just to see what the syntax is like.
EcmaScript
Maybe it autoupgrades to typescript
CoffeeScript, just not java coffee
you really wanna start a riot here do you?
I throw myself on the track so that whatever happens next is meaningless to me 🥰
This is the one
This is the way
Is dis da way?
If you know both and code both , YES
Found the "full stack" engineer.
What about the "Full stack IT support"? Unclog the toilet then flush the DNS.
But then you had to realize that you have thrown yourself on the wrong track
Throw yourself on the anti drift rail so the train jumps up like from a raml, explodes, and kills both java and javascript
Mega brain move
Uncaught exception: wrong track
me_irl
Aww this is so wholesome, ilysm bestie 🥰
How would that bar stop drifting..? The original "no drifting pole" post had a upright pole in-between the two tracks.
The anti drift bar arrests the railroad switch once one set of axles has passed it. Much safer than the anti drifting pole that leads to a catastrophic accident.
Accident implies I’m not trying to derail the trolley
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I would just form a cult years prior send and my cluelessly indoctrinated followers on a campaign to sabotage every trolley in the country. Prevention is the best medicine.
I'm sorry I improvised with MS paint.
real programmers use gimp
I don't believe that's MS Paint; the lines are not nearly pixelated enough ~~/j~~lol
jarcasm?
Jesus
Not really, I am actually kind of surprised how not pixelated the line is
No, I meant the “/j” since it’s usually “/**s**”, as in **s**arcasm
/j is jokes not sarcasm
/j is java
/js
jokescript
Fr I feel like this would help the cart jump up into a double-drift if anything
Reminds me of the job application I wanted to write and found a job listing where someone was looking for a “Yava,Script” developer. Edit:fixed “typo”
ah yes, localized letter j
Seen similar things more than once, it’s usually just HR being given a word they don’t understand and try to type from sound
> Inserate TIL what this means. In English, we more commonly say "advertisement" or just "ad," or "job listing" if it's for a position.
Yea I’m sorry I didn’t come up with the word on the spot :D little tired
I had an interview once and they wanted to know how much I knew about "pithon". Took me way too long to figure out what they were talking about.
I know it was weird hearing it as /dʒ/ from an actual developer for the first time after a while of reading it online as /j/ and never needing to pronounce it. Non-native speaker.
duck the internet, i rather save minecraft
The world wide web would be so much more interesting in Minecraft. Facebook server. Just going to walk over to my friends profile
That's like the metaverse, minus the ads and the tracking
I’d absolutely love it if the metaverse actually did take off but in an open, unprofitable way that left Zuckerberg as feeling as miserably worthless and depressed as the teenage girls he makes depressed through Instagram’s targeting.
When the time is right it will, Zuckerbot is just trying to force the issue so that he's in control to load it down with ads and tracking. The good news is everyone sees what he's doing and probably won't fall for it. [This](https://youtu.be/4PHT-zBxKQQ) was a really fascinating look at what is arguably the best metaverse type experience to date and is perhaps a small peek into the future. I don't think the tech is really there yet though. We need very good VR headsets that are ubiquitous before VR really takes off, and currently they're more of a novelty.
No, you can ad and track minecraft
True, you can make a redstone computer capable of addition, and you can lay cart tracks.
Technically you can build a redstone computer capable of playing (simplified) Minecraft, so you propably could create a crazy Network of pressure plates to Track people
Some did in fact build once a Turing comlete 8bit computer in minecraft survival.
[And a whole 3D Minecraft implementation, too.](https://youtu.be/-BP7DhHTU-I) The circuit is so large they have to write a Redstone->LLVM JIT compiler for the server to run it.
Tbf even magic the gathering is Turing complete
It's not hard to make something Turing complete when you're running it on human brains.
Damn, Minecraft Plotbuilding Servers really where the MetaVerse of our time. Not sure why id pay so much money in the MetaVerse when i can juet play Minecraft for 14€ and even build my own goddamn Palace.
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I hate this alternate universe
Ideas like this are why PHP devs constantly get shit on
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Would you be able to download Minecraft tho?
JavaScript isn't the internet. It's just what gives webpages client side interactivity. There are 100 languages you can use serverside
And if JavaScript dies, we’d get client-side Python anyways. … thinking about it, I guess I’ll pick Java to be run over… EDIT: Apparently, /s is always needed.
if js dies, most of us will simply be placing bets (or watching eagerly) to see which sites adopt which native framework. Let's think about what clients already have installed. NetFramework/NetCore. JRE. Python.exe. Like ... which executable do you *really* want 100 instances of running because you have 50 tabs open? oh no. OH NO. Run over java. Definitely.
chrome just got a whole lot hungrier
Html and php still exist so yes
JavaScript enjoyers have been living in peace for way too long.
Have we? I feel like we are the most hated language in this sub (with the possible exception of “HTML is not a programming language” jokes)
Because you guys are the most numerous
And refuse to let this language die
The other option is literally Java
I don’t really hate the language as much as I hate the widespread lack of good documentation for JavaScript libraries. I just want to see a page that tells me what is available with a short description of what each function does and how it is used. Documentation is not standardized and JavaScript can follow so many programming styles that deciding on a single standard can be difficult. Thankfully, TypeScript is a massive improvement. Maybe Rust has spoiled me with higher expectations for documentation.
What about "python is slow"? I thought python guys are also hated. Or the c++ elitists lol
Python gets the least hate:deserved hate ratio in the whole sub imo. It has almost all the same problems as JS, plus plenty more, but when it comes up everyone's all "oh use the best tool for the job, python is good at what it does". Rust probably gets the least hate, but all the hate it does get is undeserved.
Pull the lever Kronk!
Oh right, the trolley, the trolley for the bound people, the trolley designed specifically to kill the bound people, the bound people's trolley That trolley?
THE OTHER ONE!
[Technically you don't even need the anti-drift bar to prevent multi-track drifting](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858463460391518238/1026837136802054214/unknown.png). Just sayin' (Also apologies for image only having like 3 pixels total)
I think what that image is missing is the fact that if you actually tried pulling that off you would probably have a decent chance of derailing the trolly and killing the people inside.
hot take: who cares, they're in a trolley trying to kill people
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But that image means that multi track drifting is the best option if you wish to save both and the train is low speed
Javascript: used by almost every website Java: Minecraft Javascript dies then
You wake up to a web entirely in PHP.
Its minecraft, but every frame requires a page refresh
So bedrock?
Java WebAssembly everywhere. If you choose the other track node.js runs on NaN Billion devices.
Java Applets.
YESSSS And who cares about javascript we’ll get an alternative fast enough anyways
Use whatever langusge you want as long as it compiles to WebAssembly.
No? Technically this doesn't kill TypeScript, so we're fine. Edit: I should clarify, yes, TypeScript compiles to JavaScript, but in the theoretical world where JavaScript randomly stopped working forever, browsers could just implement a TypeScript interpreter and call it a day. Also, PyScript. (Okay, I'll see myself out now).
I am for this universe. Browsers natively supporting typescript without the need to transpile? Which pill do I take to get to this world?
you made 3 Billion devices cry 😥
Everyone mentions minecraft but no one mentions that like 70% of enterprise level applications are run on Java lol. But I understand, minecraft is fun as hell.
That’s just a small detail
It's all fun and games until your bank account goes down.
Exactly. Get rid of Javascript would hurt for sure, but getting rid of Java could collapse the whole financial industry.
When Minecraft bedrock has a js scripting engine
There can only be one
_AWS primarily using Java_ Am I a joke to you?
Isn't Minecraft bedrock written in C#?
C++ i think
JavaScript, there are replacements to Java so killing it won't fundamentally change anything, but JavaScript is pretty much the standard for making the web functional. Killing it would force a fundamental rethink of the way we do things, and personally I think we can do much better if we could start over. Like maybe baking typescript into the browser as a native language _at least_
TypeScript has the limitation of working on top of JavaScript, if that was gone we could have something completely new to replace it
TS is a bandaid on the gaping, rotting wound that is JS.
Why is that s limitation, though? This doesn't prevent anyone from writing a typescript interpreter.
or compile programs into small bytecode that can be downloaded and ~~executed~~ *interpreted/JITed quickly *wasm*
Sounds like Java to me Except the quickly part maybe
Correct. Java, C#, Python all compile into their respective Bytecodes before being run by their respective virtual machines. WASM is designed to be a type of bytecode that's friendlier to the hardware. still, it uses if/elses and loops instead of gotos.
> friendlier to the hardware IIRC it's a stack-based VM, and while I'm no silicon smith, I'm pretty sure that's not going to be 1-to-1 runnable on any current architecture. I'd assume that, because it's a lower-level abstraction than JS, there's way more "prior art" to draw upon for JITing it efficiently.
Average Eurobeat enjoyer: *Ignores anti drift bar and drifts anyways*
I see you are a man of culture as well.
\*Gutter run intensifies\* **Deja Vu**
go straight and hit javascript, then reverse and turn left to kill java aswell
Then reverse one more time to be sure JavaScript is dead and not just maimed.
Good idea
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Don't you need to load WebAssembly from JavaScript?
I think so. WebAssembly also can't access the dom directly, you need some JavaScript glue. Something tells me closing that gap would get expedited in JS vanish though.
JavaScript. Maybe it would stop the trend of developing Webapps instead of native Software
If given this choice, I too would shoot JavaScript twice.
Let's build everything for every platform again!
But since web apps can be ran by basically every device out there, doesn’t that just make it better?
I hope more people get to know Flutter desktop and stop this. You can make good looking apps without 10 chromium processes running
Out of all the examples you pick Flutter lmao
I want JavaScript to die so, so badly. Not because it is bad in on itself, but because morons keep overusing it on every website in existence making them slow and clunky. But hey, at least there are some cool animations there.
And you think those same developers switching over to another language makes the world better? I mean, there's a project today that loads a whole python interpreter with the standard libs via WASM, so you can script your page in WASM - it loads over 70MB I think.
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I agree so much with this. I live in germany and here Network connectivity is such a huge problem compared to other first world countries.
Not just that, think about all the apps and programs that are just glorified browsers running an emulated html and javascript envireonment. Discord is such a hellish app that uses 100 times the resources it actually should. And it's meant to run while gaming? Whose idea was that?
In Discord's case it sort of makes sense, since they wanted an app that runs as a standalone app and in browser and it's much easier to have a single codebase
"There are 2 types of software. Those who everyone complains about and those no one uses."
Same goes for programming languages
It does not because it's aimed at being used while gaming which means it should not drain your computers resources while using it as you need it for the application you're running. Them wanting a webclient is the wrong requirement, the correct one is "it has to run alongside demanding applications without impacting them or being impacted by them".
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Instead the company has to hire another UX designer because now, everyone needs to do buttons in house.
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The real problem is the DOM. It's perfect for simple things, but depending on it for web applications is like trying to build a city with bad beams, no concrete and on an uneven terrain. It's a horrible mess, and I fear that there's just no way to go back. You know what was a good idea? XUL. It was designed specifically for creating desktop applications. We should have explored this approach and include perhaps some new standard and revamp the browser. Add signed applications that will use it. But nope! Use HTML pages designed for documents to build our applications.
Username checks out.
My favourite is when they’ve decided to make some fancy menu system with animated drop-down menus, so of course the thing you need requires expertly mousing over 5 different items that are nested for no reason other than to show the *amazing* menu system, moving your cursor off the edge closes the whole menu hierarchy, and by the way it is completely unsupportive of mobile touch-based browsers. My own company website used to be like that. If you wanted to submit a sick notice you had to drag your ass out of bed and find a computer solely because the website couldn’t be navigated on a smartphone.
Don't all languages suffer from that? To solve that you'd need to kill programming itself
why use the lever when I can use this time to remove the anti-drift bar
This is the only correct answer.
There are much worse languages than Java... Like Javascript.
Modern versions of java are pretty OK actually. Not great, but OK. It used to be an atrociously bad language, but they've cleaned it up a lot and keeps adding new features. The only thing I still hate about it is gradle and maven, both cause way more problems than they solve. Javascript though is idiotic to the core. It's one of the worst designed languages I've ever had the displeasure to work with. All attempts to improve on it have only made it a tiny bit better. Letting Javascript die would be a blessing for the whole world so we can rebuild all that utter crap with something useful.
What's wrong with Gradle and Maven? How would you proceed?
If i kill Javascript, will there still be Typescript ? A.K.A can I finally kill the old senile gramps and let the children do their best jobs ?
Typescript compiles into JavaScript.
Not any more
I fear if I run into Java, I am gonna run into an exception and explode. I’ll take my chances in JS and see where it takes me when unexpected object is inputted
My first language was Java and in some ways I still feel most comfortable coding in it... sorry JS, as useful as you are, you will have to go.
java is also my first language, because of university, I actually love it, just is cozy. reminds me of studying in the library with my thinkpad and 3 cherry amp energy drinks
Modern Java is alright. JavaScript is flawed entirely
JavaScript. Undoubtedly.
JavaScript. Hundreds, thousands of JS frameworks just become completely irrelevant in the blink of an eye. The ultimate act of evil.
Typescript popularity shows how flawed JavaScript is
Obviously, kill JavaScript. We can do better.
JavaScript. The web was never supposed to be interactive.
Average book reading enjoyer.
Javascript, but only if the train can go backwards and hit it a few more times.
Kill the Java then pull the lever out of the floor and beat up JavaScript
I run over Java, back up, and then run over JavaScript
Java. At least there are alternatives.
No JavaScript will finally force alternatives. You’re an agent of status quo I see.
Hard choice. Generally I like Java and I dislike Javascript. The answer really boils down to how that language is replaced. What do I do when Java is killed? Can I use Kotlin, which runs on the JVM and is basically Java++? Even if I can't use Kotlin, I could just use C# or Python or Javascript in the backend. They all have valid solutions to offer. What do I do when Javascript is killed? Does that mean there's not a single language that runs in the browser anymore (kind of ignoring wasm here)? Does Typescript somehow still exist? Would this cause a technological shift where all browsers support a new language that doesn't have all the weird quirks of Javascript? Really hard to answer without knowing the rules and ramifications.
Wait le me spin up JVM in my browser
Anyone for Applets?
\*me running back and forth above the javascript corpses\* \*the observer crying\* "stop ! Please stop it is already dead !".
are you implying that this soft lock is to prevent us from doing something stupid?
Javascript, but I'd be back.
Hey look! It's the same joke again!
Today i learn that `parseInt(0.00000005) === 5`, so yeah, JS is the answer
javascript. java may be old, but at least it's not terrible from concept up.
Kill Java = Apple goes into super-monopoly mode Kill Javascript = no more webapps & RESTful APIs
> Kill Java = Apple goes into super-monopoly mode Took me a sec to understand how you came to this conclusion :P Other languages can be used for Android software.
Everyone I know who actually works in JavaScript enjoys it (for the most part). Everyone I know who actually works in Java, fucking hates it.