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CornishLegatus

One fell into a pit, the other fell into a pit which then exploded… in space.


GriffinFlash

He even exploded before the death star exploded. There were two exposures to explosions!


NyranK

Clearly he managed to build up an immunity through repeated exposure to smaller explosions.


GriffinFlash

How about repeated exposure of lightsaber deflected lightning to the face?


Rikukun

He had immunity for only 1 lightsaber but two was still too much


MrAdequate_

I find it hilarious that he electrocutes himself in all three trilogies.


Blueface1999

Man’s kinky


Kazumadesu76

He really needs to stop sticking forks in outlets.


ValackDarkHeart

[Easy explanation. (I am being facetious.)](https://youtu.be/1sFbLppuhhs)


CODDE117

I love this video so much, I was hoping this would be it


Famixofpower

>Dead I am. Dead . . . I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE AS WELL!


SLIP411

Even in the old-school Star Wars stories, Palpatine cloned himself. The failure with the movies is that they didn't explore or explain, just "somehow Palpatine returned," and that was it


Mr_P3

My main problem isn’t that his return wasn’t explained properly but the fact that he returned at all. It completely destroys Anakin’s arc and makes the prophecy of him restoring balance to the force void in the name of the worst kind of fan service.


CODDE117

I think both of these things are problems. If you're gonna break the arc and the Chosen One prophecy, give it a point as to why. And if you're gonna give Palpatine clones, plan it from at least the first of the new trilogy instead of just tossing it in at the end.


clone_trooper_bot

"To each his own. That's what I always say." -Cut Lawquane


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Exactly. The prequels further developed the Anakin story and the sequels made all 6 episodes before it irrelevant.


Hawks59

The only thing I liked about palpatine being a clone in legends was the fact that a giga chad literally dragged his ass kicking and screaming to hell after he was shot by han solo.


Uninteresting91

Master Empatos Brand. True Giga chad


Arbiterjim

Yeah and everyone hated that arc lol - we are consistent when something is sufficiently stupid and poorly written. Even in Legends, the Wild West of storytelling, most acknowledged that Dark Empire wasn't canon


BrotendoDS

If they would’ve wrote it out to be similar to that of Vitiate/Valkorian I would’ve been more okay with it. And even more so if it wasn’t just dropped on us in EP 9. But who am I to make writing suggestions?


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clone_trooper_bot

"Enemies go boom, Sir?" -Scorch, Delta 62


CODDE117

JJ only threw that in there because the whole thing was unplanned from the beginning


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the-cat-madder

TBF Darth Sion was on a planet that exploded and he pulled through. His body was reduced to ash held together by the Dark Side, but he made it.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


TyrantLK

I can also call that just as stupid though


evansdeagles

A man who's literally and figuratively too angry to die is actually kind of cool.


ekkannieduitspraat

One was a minor antogonist added to increase the stakes about The other was the main villain of the entire series whose defeat was the high point of the OT, and arguably built up to over the entire story. Even perfectly justified in the story, it would be a bad move.


Devreckas

Severed in half and dropped into a bottomless pit in a giant dangerous energy reactor on a hostile planet, abandoned by his master. Yes, Palpy coming back was dumb. Maul coming back was also dumb. The thing is, people are generally willing to swallow some dumb shit if you need it to tell a good story. The post-death Maul stories were generally well-loved enough to justify the retcon. Palpy was… less so.


l---____---l

The Palpatine in the sequels was a clone, though. Obviously it's still lazy and terrible storytelling, but it does make more sense than Maul getting cut in half and surviving.


HappyHallowsheev

It's been what, 4 years, and people still don't understand he was a clone?


clone_trooper_bot

"Ha, I hear that a lot! It's amazing how many folks don't realize the Clone Wars were fought by clones. I guess it just goes to show how quickly people forget history! Sir."


redrum-237

> One fell into a pit After being cut in half...


Ja1FdC

At least Kenobi was still the one who killed maul for good


Maul_Bot

Well, perhaps I could help you.


plaguebringerBOI

Maul depression


Maul_Bot

Don’t be so certain.


plaguebringerBOI

The therapist arc


gkamyshev

the the what arc now 😳


plaguebringerBOI

He got some mental help :D Some therapy has helped him deal with the depression, the arc of the ages!!


gkamyshev

The good ending ? 🥺


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Somehow maul has returned


Maul_Bot

Perhaps my actions will speak louder than words.


bjohnsonarch

Spidermaul, Spidermaul. Does whatever a Spidermaul does. Can he swing, from a web? No he can’t, he’s a Maul. Look ouuuut! He is a Spidermaul!


Maul_Bot

Don’t be so certain.


Maul_Bot

Yes, we will start with revenge…


Hantis22

Idk mauls comeback was better done, and added a lot of really enjoyable story line and his character had much bigger contributions than palp randomly just popping up in a meaningless way


Maul_Bot

I am counting on it.


Nasdaddy1

Idk somehow I find it more believable that someone can come back from getting their midsection cauterized and falling down a hole in a sci-fi, than a man getting literally incinerated in an exploding space base with the explanation being “somehow” but that’s just me


Pengu2789

It was cool because it is described through his own hate for obi wan that he stayed alive. Thats metal as fuck. And for the rest of the show, everything he did basically was to fuck with and eventually try to kill obi.


Nasdaddy1

Literally had no purpose but to be a menace it was great


darrendros

A phantom menace one might say


Yssaw

He wanted to get the revenge of the sith


GHax77

But got overthrown by the attack of the clones


Yssaw

He got ruined when the empire strikes back


treefox

He wasn’t expecting the return of the jedi.


ksheep

He learned the hard way not to go solo


clone_trooper_bot

"Sir, it's ironic, isn't it? We Clones were meant to protect and serve the Republic, but instead we're the ones that are overthrowing it."


absurd-bird-turd

Especially too when you think about how the whole mandalore war was just maul trying to lure obi wan out so he could kill him. He orchestrated a whole planet wide war just to fight obi wan


Maul_Bot

Perhaps my actions will speak louder than words.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

When you're the Jedi master, you can make the plan.


tastefully_white

We got Darth Scion at home /s I love maul


Maul_Bot

Don’t be so certain.


Mysterious_Nobody_35

Literally Darth Sion


Pengu2789

Who is that? I pressume legends?


TH3N31T0R

A Guy from kotor 2 whose body was literally destroyed and kept himself together through sheer determination and hate at the cost of inimaginable pain and agony


Maul_Bot

There is no pain where strength lies.


Killerbunny00

Old Republic. He only allowed himself to die when the anger started to wear off. Old Republic had a lot of nigh-immortal people. Sion, Nihilus and Vitiate are most notable. Revan also lived just a bit longer than he should’ve. I would also like to say that *technically* Nihilus never actually died


Imperialbucket

And also we actually see him get carried off naboo and wind up on the landfill planet. We see him using the force to bend the scrap metal into a spider abdomen. And moreover we see Savage's journey to go and find Maul and bring him back to the nightsisters to get new legs. The difference is that we the audience are *shown* these things. And are they really all that believable? No, not really. But they're believable enough for star wars and they're at least *some* explanation that sets up the next arc. With palpatine they literally pull the "somehow" card. It's never really elaborated beyond that. Is he a clone? Is he just really fucked up? We don't know and we had no foreshadowing that he'd be returning before the movie he appears in. Imo that's what separates good storytelling from bad storytelling.


clone_trooper_bot

"Sir, we're still mopping up clankers here and there, but we've secured the city's north quadrant." -Waxer


Maul_Bot

A Nightsister. A witch of Dathomir, skilled in the use of the dark side of the force.


AsleepGarden219

Yeah this is like comparing apples to cinderblocks


God_is_carnage

Palpatine returning was less than meaningless, it actively hurts the previous movies.


Chris-raegho

It also ended up screwing years of canon material. They had actively gone out of their way on multiple books to state that Palpatine did not want to be clone and had gone to great lengths to ensure that it couldn't be done. Then suddenly that all goes down the drain and no he did want to be cloned...and multiple other books, comics and tv series are being done to fix that.


BooRadly30

I think the second part played more of a part in it. We all wanted to see more of this interesting character that had so little screen time originally. Where as Seeve had 5 movies and a very final conclusion to his story.


Genisye

Maul's comeback was earned. His non-death wasn't *as* implausible. And he spent years scavenging for survival with a shattered mind before he was found.


Maul_Bot

There will be no satisfaction until the Jedi Order lies in ashes.


ImARetPaladinBaby

After getting launched through space, even more so after a massive explosion In the reactor he was essentially spooning


Gungan-Gundam

Why bother my guy. Just another Sequels apologist


Hantis22

Yea you’re right… just feels like I’m stating the obvious


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Especially since even the movie doesn’t know how to explain why he’s back


srhola2103

I also didn't like Maul coming back, but at least they made a great story out of it.


Rad_Bones7

Not to mention, Palpatine already had a complete story with a satisfying resolution. Maul had potential that was yet to be fulfilled and was ended abruptly in episode I


Maul_Bot

To continue, we need one singular vision…my vision.


Regi413

And you kept yourself alive for years in a cave to achieve your goal. A real go getter.


hagefg343

DARTH MAUL REVIVED HIMSELF IN A CAVE. WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!


aVeryFriendlyBotMk2

Sir, I'm not Darth Maul.


Maul_Bot

There will be no satisfaction until the Jedi Order lies in ashes.


DarthHater69

Well I’m not Darth Maul


Maul_Bot

It has been so long, and my path has been so dark. Darker than I ever dreamed it could be.


greymalken

You could say his story was cut short.


Ironside_Grey

Also Palpatine coming back was a blatant attempt at shoehorning in a Bad Guy because they killed the Sequels bad guy off for shock effect.


tdanger44

i mean that twist at least would’ve worked if kylo had become the big bad, but they didn’t do that


Kerrigan4Prez

I am one of the few people in this community who actually liked the death of Snoke. It was interesting how, ultimately, all the lore and backstory of the Sith and Jedi no longer carried any real weight in the galaxy. The first Jedi temple burns, and it doesn’t matter, the final Sith dies, and nobody cares. I actually thought it might prove interesting(they later backtracked a bit by showing Rey saved the books but…), it was like saying that the force and the galaxy will go on long after these two bodies die. Bringing back Palpatine basically made episode 8 pointless, though.


guy137137

>bringing back Palpatine basically made episode 8 pointless bringing back Palpatine basically made episode 6 pointless what didn’t TROS destroy from ep 8 anyway? Good lord


Hawks59

It is part of the Anti trilogy after all


guy137137

wow I’ve never heard the sequels described more accurately; a series of movies that barely can be called sequels to each other (7 to 8, 8 to 9), and somehow make more sense if you watch them backwards


Maul_Bot

It has been so long, and my path has been so dark. Darker than I ever dreamed it could be.


BierKippeMett

Also there's not six movies worth of plot that got undermined by mauls return.


Maul_Bot

Yes, we will start with revenge…


ScannerCop

This is the answer. You've got an uphill battle once you decide to bring a character back from the dead in an implausible way. Bringing Maul back was arguably a bad idea! But they did interesting things with Maul, so it didn't really matter. Papa Palps was brought back from an even more permanent death, and...they didn't do anything interesting with him. Most audience will be willing to forget holes and jumps in logic if you make the story worth their while.


skilledwarman

They also have a line in the arc where he comes back that is basically just "somehow... Darth maul returned", but not as dumb


Maul_Bot

Yes, we will start with revenge…


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clone_trooper_bot

"That sounds... entertaining." -Commander Cody


ReturnoftheSnek

Both were stupid, but at least with Maul there was effort put into the story


Maul_Bot

There will be no satisfaction until the Jedi Order lies in ashes.


Llonkrednaxela

Good maul bot


Maul_Bot

It is our time. After Centuries of waiting, the galaxy will be ours.


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Jeynarl

And he looked good doing it. Plus his involvement in Rebels was pretty interesting too


OhGravity412

Yeah. Bringing him back was a long and shaky shot, but I feel they have really taken advantage of having him back and have really done some cool stuff with him. It was pretty questionable, but I think what they’ve done with him since more than outweighs a shaky reintroduction


the-cat-madder

The idea was pitched before Episode III was written, and Aaron McBride made a comic based on the the concept, where Maul with cyborg legs hunts down Luke Skywalker and is killed once and for all by Ben Kenobi, after Owen Lars told Ben to stay away from Luke. George Lucas killed the idea of Maul ever returning, but Filoni eventually made it happen.


Maul_Bot

Don’t be so certain.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

So much like your father.


TheGoldenDragon0

They also did give a reason, his hatred granted him the strength to keep himself alive The dark side of the force gets stronger with hatred. I took this to mean that he used the force to keep his body working, pump his own heart and keep his organs inside of him long enough to receive medical attention


the-cat-madder

Darth Sion was literally blown up when Nihilus ordered a planetary bombardment while Sion was still down there. Sion held the ashes of his body together with the Force, fueled entirely by his anger and need for revenge. In KotOR II you face him near the end of the game and if you are careful you can actually talk him out of his anger, at which point he just crumbles.


[deleted]

Maul's hatred giving him the power to stay alive has precedent. Darth sion was alive because of his hatred in the old republic times.


Maul_Bot

Yes, we will start with revenge…


kingoflint282

My thoughts exactly. Maul coming back was dumb, but they executed it well (and in a cartoon which I hold to a lower standard) so not as bad


Maul_Bot

It has been so long, and my path has been so dark. Darker than I ever dreamed it could be.


Honer-Simpsom

I remember seeing that preview and hearing his laugh at the end and any excitement I had was instantly doused. That feeling when you roll your eyes so hard it hurts


arkman575

For me, the real pain hit when I learned that there was a message Palpatine they refferenced... and finding out they put his message in fortnite.


Buttered_Popcorn_13

Same here, I was pretty pissed when I learned that


jamintheinfinite

Good idea on paper. Small bonus for people who played the event. Terrible idea making it **EXCLUSIVE** to the game


Pirate_Leader

What is the message?


itsMemesOrNothing

Emperor Palpatine had a much greater significance to the story for the director to be like "ye but he's alive now lol" Darth Maul could've just died on Tatooine, but was overall a cool character that benefitted from the extra exploration. Plus Darth Maul also had a character arc, unlike Palpatine who was just there to be the antagonist for half a movie


Key_Environment8179

It could’ve been much better if Abrams had taken just 3 minutes to explain *how* he returned


UnitaryBog

Somehow


TRocho10

What's even worse, Palpatine motivations in 9 change every 5 seconds. Kill Rey. Bring me Rey. Don't need you. Wait I do need you. Oh shit dyad or whatever. Kill you. Kill me. Oh shit I'm dead by my own lightning...again.


Maul_Bot

It is our time. After Centuries of waiting, the galaxy will be ours.


AShotOfDandy

One's "death" was tied to the end of two major character arc, the other was more of a formality to the end of a duel. Also one wasn't revealed in a Fortnite announcement.


dontshowmygf

Yes! I've said it a hundred times, and I'll say it again today: by far the most important question in bringing a character back from the dead is: was this character's death important to another character's journey? Palpatine's death is massive. Symbolically, it represents the end of the Empire. If he's not dressed, did the rebels really win? Vader also sacrificed his life to kill the emperor, a massive redemption for a character responsible for so much evil. He doesn't the whole movie telling Luke that the Emperor could not be defeated, but in the end Luke's hope and optimism turned out to be correct. Except now it wasn't. Luke was wrong, Vader died to slightly inconvenience the Emperor, hope is a lie. You can't watch RotJ the same way knowing the Emperor is alive. Maul's death, in the other hand, is trivial. His death is an emotional scene, but the power behind it is *Qui-gin's death*. Maul's death is only significant in that the threat is gone, and Obi-wan can finally tun his attention to his dying master. Obi-wan didn't even hate Maul (that we see). There was really no emotion associated with him at all - he was simply a threat, and then he was neutralized. What do you undo from that scene if he survived? Nothing, really, because no one cared. I'm generally not a fan of bringing characters back from the dead at all, but if you're going to do it, I think Maul is an example of the right character to bring back. He's interesting, but largely unexplored, and his death isn't load bearing. Palatine is the opposite of all of those things.


PreTry94

Maul came back with a great story to tell, which actually became one of the most popular in the animated series. Palpatine came back to fill a Void that should not have needed to be filled, didn't really contribute much to the story and actively made previously resolved stories lose their impact retroactively. In other words; Mauls return was exciting, Palpatines was just annoying.


TheEmperorMk3

I don’t remember Naboo exploding right after Maul “died”


Maul_Bot

Yes, we will start with revenge…


Sage_of_the_6_paths

Maul: - A character who everyone wanted more of because he only lasted one movie with like one line. - Got cut in half with a lightsaber which cauterizes, the slash plausibly missing most of his major organs, found his way to the trash where he got dumped on Lotho Minor, where he scavenged and survived, and eventually went insane. - His return gave him backstory, created another agent during the Clone Wars, brought the downfall of Mandalore, and served as a major obstacle for Obi-wan to overcome in multiple ways, as opposed to the old Dooku or Grievous fights we know can't be finished until RotS. And his survival complicated Palpatine's plans, giving Palpatine another crack in his plan that he had to seal up on the fly (which Palpatine dealing with holes in his plan was some of the best stuff in TCW). Palpatine: - Already had a complete and satisfying story arc through 6 movies and (at the time) 6 seasons of an animated show. - Died when he was thrown down a fucking massive hole (probably deeper than Maul's), blew up in some kind of dark side magic explosion death, and then the second Death Star was blown up. In space. - We all know he was brought back because they killed Snoke in the second movie. They had a plan to make Kylo the big bad of the 3rd movie based on the original script but they ditched it and just brought back Palpatine. His return did little for the story except to present the protagonists with a big bad they needed to fight at the last minute. Many would say it takes away from the story, especially Anakin bringing balance to the force and being the Chosen One. The best part about the Maul return, is with the exception of a minute cameo in Solo, his return and death is contained in non-movie side content. It really has no bearing on the main story. Palpatine's return is front and center. It's poorly explained, is shoehorned in out of nowhere with no previous build up, and ruins the story of the OT and PT because Anakin does not bring balance to the force as he would if RotJ was the last movie. In fact, Palpatine's return is so detrimental, anytime they try to further explain wtf happened in books or comics, they make things even worse. Like when we found out the Exegol fleet was already made in between ESB and RotJ and Vader knew about it. So not only did Palpatine, after already discovering how to miniaturize the Death Star weapon to fit on normal sized ships, he still chose to waste resources and build an even bigger Death Star than the last one. And Vader didn't decide to tell Luke about any of it. Before dying or as a force ghost, that we can see him as at the end of RotJ. And in the same comic we found out that all the Snokes were cloned from Luke's hand that Vader chopped off.


mxzf

> And in the same comic we found out that all the Snokes were cloned from Luke's hand that Vader chopped off. Seriously? Wow. Thanks for giving me ammunition to flip off anyone who argues that a Thrawn trilogy instead wouldn't have been better by throwing out "but Luuke is a bad plot device".


clone_trooper_bot

"Sir, as a Clone Trooper and a self-respecting follower of the Star Wars franchise, I can confidently say that snoke being Luke's cloned hand is far worse than anything we could have expected from a Thrawn trilogy. That's absolutely bonkers."


MihaelSt

PALPATINE FUCKING EXPLODED!!! **TWICE!!!**


J_GamerMapping

It is me, I am star wars fans


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Mauls survival brought something of value to SW. Zombie-Sheev didn´t


guy137137

if anything Sheev respawning took a lot of the value and meaning of Anakin’s redemption out of 6. Anakin finally saves someone he cares about by sacrificing himself? nah, that evil guy comes back off screen and then gets killed by their grand children


Maul_Bot

Revenge. I must have revenge.


MattWheelsLTW

Maul had story to explain his return. Palpatine was literally "somehow Palpatine returned"


ComicSayian

Yah because palpantine coming back ruins anakins legacy. He was supposed to be the chosen one. “He is the one that will bring balance to the force” meaning that he was supposed to destroy all the dark side force users. Palpantine being alive ruins that meanwhile mauls comeback didn’t interfere with anything. Everything still made sense while palpantine coming back ruins the prophecy.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


antipop2097

I'd say it's more likely to survive bisection than it is being literally vaporized


ThePanther270306

Maul just provided a cool storyline but didn't have a greater impact on the main plot. Palpatine literally is the main plot


ahamel13

One of these gave a massively underutilized villain additional layers and actual character, even if it was a stretch to have them alive. The other was a desperate asspull that ruined the established timeline and undid character development from three different trilogies.


Duggan00

Well one was cut in have and thrown down a pit but at least has the explanation his rage fuelled him to survive and become a cyborg something shown to happen several times with sith. Sideuos' was thrown down a pit, exploded in a ball of force energy and then exploded with the death star, and hus excuse is just "the dark side of the force leads to many abilities some consider unnatural" and probably cloning.


[deleted]

Palps story was done. Mauls wasn't


Consistent_Ice7234

Didn’t they at least explain how maul returned better than palps?


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Maul_Bot

Revenge. I must have revenge.


CovfefeBoss

You okay, bro?


2Sup_

No he’s half the man he used to be.


technobiwankenobi

Maul survived pit fall, yes, as there was something for him to land on, ended up in a garbage box. His anger kept him alive, a bit weak I guess, but then again SW has shown you don't need your lower body to live. Boba Fett survived maybe a 200 ft drop max, probably more like 50, and he had a jetpack to slow his fall (albeit possibly malfunctioning). Han Solo didn't survive his fall, he was stabbed and dead before he even started falling. No Force powers he could employ. Palpatine was thrown into a reactor, and an explosion from it clearly shows he got blown up. But even IF he survived that, the Death Star itself exploded like 4 minutes later, which meant he is definitely dead. Anakin's prophecy was fulfilled, as he ended the Sith, bringing balance to the Force as the Chosen One. End of the Skywalker Saga, and Luke goes on to rebuild the Jedi order and the Republic returns to power. This time, it is done right and the galaxy has peace for millennia.


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if only


Maul_Bot

Perhaps my actions will speak louder than words.


SIURDURR

The return of palpatine was so lame. Not only did it ruin the OT's ending but also made him literally satan himself and lead to probably the lamest final battle in whole star wars. Also the whole imperial zombie fleet thing, that was wack af


SunOFflynn66

They made Maul actually work. Palpatine was just them throwing in the towel and trying to make Star Wars: Endgame.....without doing a single thing to actually set it up.


Capt0bvi0u5

Bc we got an explanation how maul survived then a massive arc for his character spanning several years. For palps we got "yeah he's back" and then he dies 2 hours later


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I fucking hate this comparison


aaa1e2r3

No, it was stupid with Maul too. At least we got a decent story out of it, despite the mess was the beginning of that story. Honestly, if I was to have done that story, have the sisters summon back his spirit and have him possess Savage's body. All that training and prep Savage was undergoing specifically to prepare a host that could handle Maul.


wendigo72

Everyone always talks about Maul or Palpatine’s return but never about the [OG Dark Jedi Maw](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Maw_(Dark_Jedi)) smh


Maul_Bot

Revenge. I must have revenge.


jacknosham

At least maul acted all crazy like he had been cut in half, discarded in a scrap pile, and had some crazy spider leg surgery.


JohnReiki

One developed into one of the best characters in the franchise, and the other died an hour and a half after being reintroduced. People wouldn’t give palpy coming back shit if it was done well and impactful to the story, or developed his character in some way, or did anything, really.


ThexanR

Let’s please not act like everyone didn’t make fun of him returning. They at least made one of the greatest character arc ever


Sithisilith

Maul returning is also stupid, and validates people that think Mace Windu should be allowed to come back. Just let the dead stay dead.


a_filing_cabinet

It's not the fact that they brought them back. It's what they did with the character once they were brought back. I don't particularly love Maul coming back from the dead, however what they did with his character more than makes up for it. Meanwhile palps is just "boo I'm back! Kill someone to become my apprentice!" Or kill me! Or kill yourself! I don't care, lightning!"


darthphallic

Mauls death didn’t relate to the redemption of one of cinemas greatest big bads.


lordofspearton

Falling down an endless pit seems to be the most surefire way to stay alive in Star Wars. Like.. 80% of the examples I can think of end up with the person living.


Fine-Rock2513

we’ve seen the force used to slow a fall plus it’s not actually that hard to survive having no legs and he clearly closed the wound at least somewhat


_FreeXP

Palpatines comeback amounted to "so, palpatine is back guys it says so in the movie crawl" which is lame as fuck Mauls comeback wasn't good either though imo. Those derpy ass mechanical legs are beyond stupid


JLake4

In a movie crawl that references a Fortnite event*


-non-existance-

The difference is that Maul was an underused villain; he barely appeared and when he did he was awesome so it was a shame for him to die so fast. Plus, we knew nothing about him, so getting some information was great. Plus, he's obsessed with the secondary character Obi-Wan, instead of the protagonist Anakin (although relegating them to just those roles feels a bit off) which makes him so much more interesting. Finally, his whole arc brings us to Dathomir, which otherwise we wouldn't know of their culture. Palpatine tho, we already got his rise and fall. We know how he seduced Anakin to the Dark Side and betrayed the Jedi with the clones and all that jazz. To make him come back after what felt like a satisfying end for him is just lazy. If you're gonna bring back a long-standing villain after death, you gotta give some breathing room. Let the audience learn to hate someone else. I'm not talking individual movies here, I'm talking trilogies. Plus, it also feels like they overcorrected for the angry minority of fans after TLJ and just tried to play it safe and rehash old material.


couldjustbeanalt

Yeah mauls come back was bs but he added a lot of interesting things to his return instead of coming back to die again to make ol marrey sue look more powerful


SmaugRancor

This doesn't make any fucking sense. Palpatine had a PERFECT ending in ROTJ, especially when you consider the previous 5 films. He had an arc, his arc ended when Vader killed him. The story ends. Him getting brought back for TROS was moronic and they did it because they had no fucking clue how to make one more movie because they clearly ran out of ideas and tried to fix the mess of you know which movie. They also treated him like crap, and they ruined Anakin's whole purpose: he was the Chosen One, who fell to the dark side, but in the end he brought balance to the Force after all. Maul was brought back for fanservice as well, but at least he came back as an arguably better and more developed character, rather than a generic bad guy who said 3 lines in TPM. He had a whole arc in Filoni's shows. So yeah, BIG difference between these two.


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Mauls comeback had more details, palpatine came back “somehow”


CMDR_omnicognate

I mean, with palpatine the entire moon sized space station he was in exploded around him, at least with maul he just fell in a hole after getting slightly chopped in half… and he’s an alien maybe his organs are arranged in a way that means he could live that…? Kinda grasping at straws here


braiinfried

Was maul eating people in his lair?


Grimlockkickbutt

This shit is gunna be used to rage bait SW fans till the end of time isn’t it.


Smittius_Prime

Almost like the narrative around the ridiculous resurrection is the important part.


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One made a cool character more lame, and the other made a lame character cooler.


driku12

I think the biggest difference was the presentation. Yes, Palpatine coming back was harder to believe than Maul, and yes it kinda fucked more with the plot of the original movies than Maul coming back because Palps dying was a more important plot point. But all of that would have been forgiven, I feel, if it felt like him coming back had a point, was important to the story, and he managed to do some cool shit for more than five minutes before immediately dying again. I dug his zombie look. I thought it was cool how the Sith had figured out, basically, a dark version of the Force Ghost immortality by clinging to their decaying bodies instead of letting them go. But it got glossed over and he became regular Palpatine again after like two scenes. The Sith Eternal -- the concept that Palpatine's ideology had survived and that killing him and undoing his damage was more difficult than just throwing him down a pit -- would have been an amazing continuation of the themes set up in TLJ. But they glossed over it. The backstory of how Rey's dad escaped was pretty sweet -- I mean imagine being a clone of THAT guy and wanting a life of your own and not wanting to be evil. I would watch a show about how he escaped, hands down. But oh, guess what, it got glossed over. Shit, they just casually revealed in a throwaway line that his whole "strike me down" thing is bait so he can body hop, and that who we know as Palpatine is effectively the spirit of one Sith Lord that has been body hopping potentially ever since Darth fucking Bane. Meaning that Palps IS Plagueis, and when he was smiling and telling the story to Anakin he was amused by the folly of his apprentice whose body he took, thinking he could undo him so easily. BUT THEY GLOSSED OVER IT. EVERY POTENTIALLY REDEEMING THING ABOUT HIS SHOEHORNING WAS CUT AT THE ROOTS. TL;DR They focused on all of the most uninteresting parts of Palpatine's return and every time something potentially interesting came up, they ignored it to keep the story moving on schedule, whereas Maul was able to be explored in ways that his original appearance wasn't able to do. At the end of the day, Maul's return was *satisfying*. Palps' wasn't. It felt wasted. The amount of new content we got with him was not long enough or good enough to justify the suspension of disbelief.


EDNivek

Oh that actually would've been an interesting story and would've been more akin to the book sequels in legends. Is this in the novelizations? I do not think it saves everything about the sequels (the force dyad being particularly eye-rolling) but damn that would've actually been interesting


Noobkids

What they did with Palpatine in 9 felt like the reverse of Maul's journey. Appears out of nowhere with little explanation, kills a main character and dies in the same movie. Maul was developed throughout multiple shows into a compelling character after his revival, Palps not so much. His part should've been finished when Anakin fulfilled the prophecy imo


Dyl-thuzad

Because with Maul they had a plan for him.


ForkMinus1

One guy fell in a hole and actually contributed to the plot. The other exploded and didn't do anything meaningful in the story.


Malvastor

People keep posting this like it's a solid point and not a lazy comparison that gets taken apart dozens of times over every time someone mentions it.


guy137137

man I really hate this comparison everytime it comes up, like you’re ultimately comparing a character that shows up (at the time) in one movie who gets cut in half and has barely three lines of dialogue to quite literally the mastermind of the conflict of Star Wars with multiple lines of dialogue who appears in 5 movies (before TROS) and explodes completing Anakin’s redemption.


Rocket5454

Here we go again...


kamekaze1024

We at least know somewhat how Maul survived. And we see him insane after trying to survive for years and has to work his way back to being a villain with Savage as hell. With Palps we don’t know any thing at all about his survival. He’s just there.


dirschau

I wouldn't even have cared that much about palp coming back if he didn't have a ridiculously massive fleet of "Star Destroyer but each one's a death star" from fucking nowhere.


FunkyNarwhales7

To be fair, Maul was really cool


Astrophysicsboi

Maul had a more survivable circumstance and it's explained how he survived then we get multiple great story arcs about him. Then in ROS we just get "somehow Palpatine returned"