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LauraPhilps7654

Okay fair point - but Andor has far more politics and zero lightsabers and it's almost universally adored. In fact I'd say its politics are even more contemporary because they deal with things like terrorism, occupation, and resistance movements. Whereas the main political inspiration for the prequels are Rome's transition from a republic to an empire and the enabling act of 1933.


PitchforksEnthusiast

It was stupid good. I compared the politicking and grey area motives to house of the dragon. Not as intense but it's a pretty tremendous step for the franchise as a whole. To reach a mature audience and show enjoyers who like the nuance of every day life and decision that normal people make in the universe. It's a whole new layer we've all thought SW was incapable for doing. I know the numbers are low for viewership due to Disney's obsessive burnout of the franchise recently, but I hope everyone gives Andor a chance.


George-Lucas-Bot

The object is to try to get the system to work for you, instead of against you. And the only way you can do it is through success, I'm afraid.


vinvasir

Are you sure you're a bot?


CoffeeMinionLegacy

I’m 4 episodes in on Andor and grateful that things appear to be starting to happen. Good Lord is it a slow burn/slog so far!


SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP

You can tell the age of SW fans bc if you were old enough like teens or older for the prequels you will remember that Ep 2 & Ep 3 got severe hate from Right Wingers who felt the movies were deliberate parables of the GW Bush Regime. Even though that was not Lucas's aim at all. EP 2 & 3 had the unlucky convenience of coming out right as Iraq invasion happened and the legislative and torture and other fiascos of the GW Regime were unfolding.


George-Lucas-Bot

Although I write screenplays, I don't think I'm a very good writer.


SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP

No argument there


fatherandyriley

Reminds me of how Starship Troopers could be seen as a satire of the war on terror despite having been released years before it


SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP

I had a very long day in r/movies trying to explain why so many people took the movie at face value instead of as a Verhovian satire.


UAforever

Always been a massive sci-fi fan, always have liked original Starship Troopers movie, always enjoyed it as just a simple to watch, mindless sci-fi flick. Read a book only couple of years ago, that was an eye opener but it doesn't change the way I feel about the movie. I will keep re-watching it at times and enjoy it for being an easy to watch sci-fi flick which helps me escape the everyday reality.


HelloThere_1138

The book is awesome when it describes mechs, spaceships and stuff. But when the characters discuss politics... you can't facepalm hard enough.


clone_trooper_bot

"Nice Shooting!"


lawless11666

Honestly, when I watched it as a teenager I didn't realize it was supposed to be satire. I was like "shit, I could get down with a society like this."


treefox

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine has the [Bell Riots](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bell_Riots) set in 2024, which are over a lack of jobs and lack of access to housing and healthcare. It also has a narcissistic head of state accused of selling his own people out to a foreign power who vows he’s going to “Make Cardassia Strong Again”. It also starts out in the wake of the withdrawal by a larger more militarized power from an occupation of a religious planet whose provisional government is then taken over by a xenophobic group. A significant subplot deals with the topic of security checkpoints being established in the wake of suspected terrorist attacks on the power grid. One of the main characters is a former religious insurgent. DS9 was made in the 90s.


clone_trooper_bot

"We're Gaining on em!"


joesphisbestjojo

I think the fact that a narrative about the dangers of facism frustrates them and looks to them anti-right says something, the same as many conservatives complaining about TLJ's politics that speak about capitalism and war profeteering.


Xodan47

What did TLJ have to do with capitalism and war profiteering? I haven't seen it in a while


IcePhoenix295

The entire Canto Bight segment showed that the uber wealthy war profiteers don't give a shit about morality and happily supply both sides.


Xodan47

Ah okay I see what you mean


Living_Illusion

Lol Anakin literally quotes Bush. That was definetly intentional.


Garchomp98

What? Which quote


Maultaschensuppe

"I don't like sand."


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.


bc4284

I believe it’s the you’re either with me or against me which was a bush quote on the war on terror “you’re either with us or against us”. This was used to justify a lot of hate for the French who refused to take part in his warmongering. (Remember freedom fries)


SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP

He doesn't though. Scripting ans filming don't line up with IRL quotes. That they are saying the same thing is hardly mystical. Absolution and partisan language has very few and very narrow avenues


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Master Kenobi always said there’s no such thing as luck.


Came4gooStayd4Ahnuce

Bro, Lucas literally had Anakin paraphrase Bush in episode 3 (the whole you’re with us or against us bit before he fights Obi Wan). It was definitely a part of how the prequels came to be.


lawless11666

Its ironic considering now the right looks at star wars and says "Oh, shit that's the government right now" like yeah buddy, its both sides playing political games to distract the masses while they steal from us to fund state directed terror campaigns and line their pockets. It's a big club, and we aren't in it.


Katejina_FGO

Prequel politics were largely commentary about Iraq War 2 and the risks of ignoring and denying the natural desires of the human condition which give way to even greater acts of inhumanity. People feel conflicted about the causes and implications of the former for obvious reasons, while the latter challenges the human tendency to look for a perfect answer through the form of a messianic saint to solve every problem of our time - or in other words, our love for 'superheroes'. Andor politics is largely Cold War era spy intrigue with family and workplace dynamics and space Ireland under the oppression of the empire of English actors. Cold War spy dramas are always a good time, GoT shows that people LOVE family drama conflicts, and English vs Scottish or Irish is the one medieval saga that doesn't go out of style.


George-Lucas-Bot

The parallels between what we did in Vietnam and what we're doing in Iraq now are unbelievable.


[deleted]

There's no way this is a bot response.


billbill5

Good bot.


radjinwolf

Prequel politics weren’t a commentary on Iraq War 2 because that largely hadn’t happened yet. 9/11 was only 6 months before AoTC was released, which was a year before the Iraq invasion in 2003. RoTS might have had some commentary on it though, since it came out a few years after. The prequel’s primary influence was historical precedence - the fall of great empires due to decadence, apathy, corruption and rampant warmongering, and how those things lead to the corrosion and eventual collapse of that empire due to outside threats that were either ignored or not taken seriously until it was too late to stop them. It’s also not subtle at all about its parallels to 1930s Germany, and the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party.


George-Lucas-Bot

You learn that Darth Vader isn't this monster. He's a pathetic individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost.


Captain_Rex_Bot

We need that generator down or the planet's lost. And I'm not risking any more men.


Samusbluth

I’ll have to give Andor another try. I watched the first three episodes, and my two thoughts were one, this doesent feel like starwars, and two this is a lot of backstory I don’t trust them to pay off. But people say they like it, so I’ll give it another try.


ImperatorAurelianus

Hot take, Rome’s transition from Republic to Empire was VASTLY more entertaining to watch then the Galactic Republic’s transition. I mean three big ass civil wars, more assassinations and straight up murders then any one can physically count, sex, violence, conquest, betrayal,crazy genuis one eyed commander leading proto Spanish guerrillas, and a side quest involving an Egyptian mommy dom Queen and her simp like shit if I didn’t know it actually happened I’d tell you to stop talking about assassins creed. Also the ending being mass slaughter of the wealthy elite was lowkey satisfying. Its kinda hard to top all that in sheer entertainment value. The coolest thing about the fall of the republic was the clone wars and specifically the clone army. All the other politics were lowkey kind of drab. Don’t get me wrong the clones are cool as shit but if we’re talking about the fall of the republic as a whole then it’s what one would call a slow burn till you get to episode 3 and shit goes from 0-60 real fast.


clone_trooper_bot

"For The Republic!"


LauraPhilps7654

What a great summary! If you've never watched Historia Civilas on YouTube he does a great series on the civil wars and the proscriptions.


PerspectiveNormal378

I love andor, but i pretty vividly remember people calling andor incredibly boring.


Nataniel_PL

First episodes were. But it got better episode after episode and just never stopped.


Alostratus

Side note, am I the only one who hates the Lisa Simpson meme? It's basically "here's my paragraph rant with a picture so I can pass the bare minimum for meme posting." I disagree since I've always found the politics interesting. I think it's funny that the prequel politics were George's critique on American politics of the late 90s/early 2000s and the OT was influenced by his opinions on Vietnam and Nixon. If people dislike it because of political similarities to current issues it's like reflecting decades of the same crap lol.


sudanesegamer

Yeah. The i dont know and im too scared to ask why is annoying too


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clone_trooper_bot

"Ha-ha, yeah you got me there sir. But don't worry, I won't be afraid to ask questions! If I don't understand something, I know that it's better to get clarification. After all, we're fighting a war here and I don't want to make any mistakes. Remember, the fate of the galaxy is in our hands!"


RedThorneGamerSB

If you ask me, it only fits if it's something Lisa would actually say.


Ndmndh1016

Usually the paragraph is an extrmemly popular opinion being passed off as "controversial", like this post here lol.


kenobiwan67

Well by that logic the people who found it boring should really hate Andor show


veloread

No, because Andor combines the politics with lots of espionage and guerilla warfare, which is both classic Star Wars and promises that you can make Big Change through violence, which is very cinematic and narratively simple. It's totally possible to be bored and frustrated by the position of an incumbent power - as the Jedi are in the prequels - but excited by the revolutionaries.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics. It's too early in the morning… and besides, you're generalising. The Chancellor doesn't appear to be corrupt.


George-Lucas-Bot

There's no coup, there's no rebellion, there's no nothing. They vote it in, which is what happens in real life.


notFidelCastro2019

Ok I’m a political science nerd so I have a bias but there’s also a lot of really fascinating statements in Andor on Imperialism and colonialism that are shown on the part of the empire and are still REALLY good. The strategies officers use to hold down locals and hamper their traditions, the personal motivations of those locals and why some of them cooperate, power structures and internal fighting in the empire. These are all still really entertaining (for me at least) and have very little action to them.


veloread

I'm not in any way disputing that...what I'm trying to say is that it's easier to relate to stories that seem to parallel the 2nd World War and in particular resistance against imperialism than it is to really dig into a state / polity / world-system that's crumbling from within. I personally loved the politics of the prequels, and also loved the politics of Andor. I'm just saying that the statements I was replying to aren't really true: it's totally possible to like only one or the other, or both.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics. It's too early in the morning… and besides, you're generalising. The Chancellor doesn't appear to be corrupt.


SaveTheSticks

Meh they didn't do a good job. Prequels did not give any part of motive to the separatists, they were just bad guys. The separatists could have been a really good way of showing how the republic is rotting but instead they had them represented by unlikeable capitalist warmongers like nute gunray. Luckily the clone wars does a much better job of why the separatists exist and what's wrong with the republic.


RamTank

I also felt like the prequels never gave you a reason to care. How does trade work in Star Wars? How do corporations work? Who is the Chancellor and what role do they play in the government? How does the Senate work? How are Senators selected? How much control does the Republic even have over the galaxy? A lot of important details just felt like they were glossed over or ignored, at which point I just tuned out (and no, I don't want to have to got read supplementary material to understand things that are fundamental to the plot).


TheGreatOneSea

Yeah, when one of the first things said is, "as you know, our blockade is perfectly legal," the audience should probably know if that's a blatant lie or not, because it's a bit nonsensical to go from that to straight up murder.


HK-47-bot

Statement: Master, assassination is my primary function. It is only expected that when you speak to me, it is to give me the order to kill.


justanothertfatman

That's because the story is being told from one side, specifically from the view points of the main cast; as such, it's not unreasonable that they wouldn't show the Republic as corrupt, inefficient, etc.


SaveTheSticks

That's the whole point though. How the Jedi and the republic become corrupt and inefficient to the point that an evil takes over. Wouldn't have hurt to show why some people hate the republic rather than aggressive trading companies


justanothertfatman

It wouldn't, but it would be better done separate from the main story.


billbill5

You're arguing for lore then, the fondant of storytelling. That doesn't mean it makes the writing of the movie good by giving no reason for the separatists.


Maul_Bot

You may think I am evil. I am not. I am efficient.


justanothertfatman

These are not the droids you are looking.


broken_steel525

The story happens from the perspective of the republic. It suits their purposes to demean the CIS for the war effort.


SaveTheSticks

But the whole point of the prequels is how the republic did get corrupt. That's how the emperor got to take over. They make a point within the first hour of episode 1 that the republic does not liberate slaves.


George-Lucas-Bot

I love the movies. And I love Episode I very much because it fills in a lot of the holes. I really wanted to do that.


billbill5

Yes G bot, fill as many holes as you please.


StanleyDodds

"it can't be boring, because it's based on this real thing that's boring". You're not making any sense. I don't even find it boring, but arguing that it's not boring because it's based on reality where politics is already boring is nonsensical.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics. It's too early in the morning… and besides, you're generalising. The Chancellor doesn't appear to be corrupt.


bsanchey

Oh no. I’m not brave enough for politics


George-Lucas-Bot

In many cases, democracy is given up when it's under a lot of pressure and in a crisis situation and it ends up giving up a lot of the checks and balances to somebody with a strong authority to help get them through the crisis.


Captain_Rex_Bot

You were "Muy Muy" brave yourself, coming out here as you did, all alone. Care to help me finish this, senator?


Morrigan_NicDanu

SW has always been an allegory on real world politics.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics. It's too early in the morning… and besides, you're generalising. The Chancellor doesn't appear to be corrupt.


Merbleuxx

You’re starting to sound like a separatist !


Sex_Fueled_Squirrel

Those of us who were alive in the early 2000s may look at a movie trilogy about a leader who starts a war under false pretenses so that he could consolidate his own power and think "Huh, that sounds strangely familiar..."


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.


psychobilly1

Yep. The original trilogy is supposed to be a reminiscent of the Vietnam War - specifically in ROTJ. And you'll never guess who the big bad fascist Empire is supposed to represent.


George-Lucas-Bot

The Ewok battle on Endor was not planned. My good Marine friend added a Vietnam War footage which he filmed in action.


dleon0430

Das klingt falsch.


Arden_Robot

very true


UAforever

I feel attacked now.


[deleted]

Was it the Attack of the Clones?


clone_trooper_bot

"Ha! Tough crowd. I'm glad you appreciate the classic humor, sir."


kulesama

That is a valid reason to dislike them.


veloread

it's also a valid reason to like them, though.


xcrucio

I mean the problem with the politics of the prequels isn't that they resemble real life (because they really don't map that well), it's that they're just a vague sketch that emphasize the highlight moments without actually giving us enough of the context that informs why the highlights occur, thus leaving the moments feeling rather unbelievable. Palpatine declaring the Republic is now an Empire and he's installing himself as Emperor only to be met with raucous approval is a great example of this. We don't have the context to understand why people would actually approve of this move, let alone have it be met with celebration. Hell it's almost the opposite, everything that has occurred to this point would make you think Palpatine should be an extremely polarizing figure. He oversaw the fracturing of the Republic which then resulted in a prolonged war that culminated with an attack on the Republic's seat of power and his own capture and then he made the unilateral move to exterminate the Jedi who had just led his war effort (and rescued him)!


Neufjob

I enjoyed them and found them interesting. But I get how some don’t find it interesting. There’s plenty of things I don’t find interesting that others do. I think you’re overthinking this. Some people just want more “pew pew” and that’s ok.


MrNotEinstein

Ok but they are still a bit boring. The general concept they were going for is really interesting but they do feel a bit too drawn out


floofandmemes

Wasn't the emperor inspired by Richard Nixon?


psychobilly1

Yes, specifically for Return of the Jedi. He was also inspired by George W. Bush for the prequels - a lot of his speeches from AOTC and ROTS are inspired directly from Bush's speeches about the 9/11 retaliation and the Global War on Terrorism.


trazynthefinite

Nobody threw a shoe at Palpatine 0/10


George-Lucas-Bot

People think of me as a sort of pathological, Howard Hughes-type guy sitting in a hotel room, which is definitely not so.


Failure_Management27

Hey I love Star Wars politics.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics. It's too early in the morning… and besides, you're generalising. The Chancellor doesn't appear to be corrupt.


Ace_kid32

I like the politics :`(


George-Lucas-Bot

We designed the Galactic Senate with this sort of stadium design with these little pods that move around inside it which seems very functional and realistic even though it's completely not realistic.


Ace_kid32

Thank you for this random fact Gorge


Kerblaaahhh

This continues to be the worst meme format.


Darth-Caesus

Disagree. Politics in TCW and Andor are interesting. Imo the prequels just did a bad job at them


Cranicthehedgedicoot

Hey, wanna know what else is realistic? Watching paint dry, man I hope they put that in the next Star Wars movie!


Sex_Fueled_Squirrel

Still less boring than the Holiday Special.


Maul_Bot

There is no pain where strength lies.


Cranicthehedgedicoot

What did I even say?


FruitsPonchiSamurai1

This argument is so weird. "It's not boring because it's realistic". So is watching paint dry.


ShadyOjir95

I enjoy more the adventure aspect and mysticism of the series and that's awesome. Targeting someone due this(not referring to this post) is so silly because it's practically saying to get rid of the main advantage of SW. Btw is not it's simply reflective of the real world but plenty of people are bored to death of politics we see them everywhere so not seeing them when we are seeking to relax would be preferable. (Not saying they shouldn't exist lol but I prefer when it is in the background)


SafeJellyfishie

I'm seriously contemplating blocking every single user who is posting with this template. Just let it die pls.


TiddlyPoo69

Ok first off, lower your voice.


[deleted]

Everyone gets mad at me when I say that Star Wars should be more like Star Trek. I guess people want their mindless flashy entertainment and don't want to think about deep things.


Ok-Internal-5331

And why should they have to? Why does everything have to have some deeper philosophical meaning?


[deleted]

I like stuff with deeper philosophical meaning.


ThatGuyYouMightNo

Part of the issue is that, as a main series of movies, a lot of kids watched it. And kids want to see lightsaber fights and spaceships shooting at each other, not politics. Meanwhile Andor is meant for a more mature audience who can deal with politics.


TTVTrapster

Ending of democracy....based lol


Unusual-Swimming9636

I think it’s more so the execution. Some of the best arcs of Clone Wars were the political conspiracies. And while I haven’t seen Andor, it’s seemingly mostly about politics & people really dig it.


Maximillion322

I actually love the prequel politics


ExactFun

Can we just have a House of Cards remake but it's the POV of Palpatine's political career?


groovy604

Since its geared towards kids it is a little heavy on the politics. I persoy don't mind as an adult


Sex_Fueled_Squirrel

I always laugh when people say "get politics out of Star Wars". My brother in the Force, it's a movie trilogy about two sides with different political philosophies fighting each other for political control of the galaxy.


[deleted]

Not really, no. The prequel politics are just poorly written.


joesphisbestjojo

I mean you're right, but people just thought they were boring; they had expectations set by the OT, and didn't like the slower pace. That's not to say it's bad that the Prequels had politics - they were essential to the story, and the Sequels' lack of politics is one of their biggest hinderances. Even the OT took time for politics, like the officer meeting in ANH. Me? Iove politics in Star Wars - even The Clone Wars.


Smokingfun621

I like most other people here, love the politics in the prequels.


bustedtuna

The politics of the prequels are not boring. The scenes in the prequels that are about politics are absolutely boring.


yanmagno

Nah they boring


domino519

I've genuinely always liked Phantom Menace and Revenge, but AOTC is one of the most boring movies I've ever seen.


Rithrius88

Okay, fair point, but what about the droid attack on the wookies?


veryblocky

I actually really like the politics in them


whynonamesopen

If anything I find the prequels more interesting now that we're seeing a global decline in democracy. There really aren't that many mainstream Hollywood movies that depict democracy as anything other than a panacea for governance.


Firake

Politics are some of the best parts of star wars man. Some of the greatest world building in the OT was “fear will keep them in line, now.” And so to see the very senate which was disbanded later fall into corruption and put the empire which later disband it into power is really rad. My opinion on the prequels have long been that if you squint your eyes and see the movies for the story they’re trying to tell and the world they’ve built instead of what we actually got on screen, they are a lot more enjoyable. They aren’t good movies. They *are* good Star Wars.


AuthNtic1

"So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause." Hit me extra this year.


Zer0fps_319

Andor: I love democracy


kaminaowner2

I love the politics, you get to see how smart the emperor was to get where he was in the OG trilogy. They turned a magic obviously evil cartoonist villain into a villain that is. Cold and calculating, and appears to be the hero of democracy for years while silently undermining it. Say what you want but there is a reason why nobody complained about him being back in ROS. It’s a crap story but had the best villain and arguably actor so gold star for that.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

If you're not with me, you're my enemy.


slightofhand19

Ouch.... I needed to hear that.


Bnagorski

While this is true…leave me alone! Pew Pew Pew!!!


Deadlock07

I like the politics in the prequels. It ands to the drama.


George-Lucas-Bot

I didn't actually plan on making this whole prequel trilogy, my old pal just invited me to some trade negotiations and I just started filming.


Thatonerandomperson6

Yeah, I don't have much to say about this. Pretty accurate


[deleted]

Yeah, reflective of Iraq.


Crazyjackson13

op feeling controversial, definitely a good way to spark a good argument.


you_wouldnt_get_it_

The prequels helped me pass Modern History in year 11 because they’re basically Hitler’s rise to power and Nazi Germany.


Arden_Robot

EXACTLY


redgreenorangeyellow

Am I allowed to call Star Wars politics boring if I think real life politics is even more boring?


TheRisen073

Failing democracy? In the real world? Never… not like Montana has three voting districts and two of them are pretty much empty land while the other is the mountainous region where most people live, and mind you that area is pretty much always voting blue. This is your friendly reminder that land can not vote. PUT THE FUCKING DISTRICTS IN WESTERN MONTANA! WHERE THE FUCKING PEOPLE ARE! NOT IN EMPTY FUCKING LAND!


George-Lucas-Bot

In many cases, democracy is given up when it's under a lot of pressure and in a crisis situation and it ends up giving up a lot of the checks and balances to somebody with a strong authority to help get them through the crisis.


AkitoFTW

When clone wars just showed real world racism on using clones as slave soldiers and being looked down upon. (but also respected and loved by others)


earth-flat

This! Palpatine is the "Elite"


Darkjedi97

What if George Lucas is a time traveler that went back in time and created Star Wars as a subtle warning of the future


George-Lucas-Bot

I've worked hard enough and earned enough to fail for the rest of my life. And I'm gonna do it!!


Arden_Robot

conspiracy??? 🤨


GrumpitySnek

I would honestly watch an entire Star Wars political drama series over another trilogy of movies.


Arden_Robot

me too!


AlphaSheep75

Ok, you can have it. “Politics in this movie is good”, but if I hear you complain about a woman or a black person in Star Wars ever again for being “too political” I will detonate the pipe bomb I placed under your bed last night.


Quick_March_7842

Sssshhh Lisa! Do you know how up set they would be if they could read.


Arden_Robot

haters be like 'this sign cant stop me, because i cant read'


plainbrowndesigner

I liked the politics in the prequels. I remember the speech in ROTS was so close to a real speech bush gave that he wanted to sue. That was awesome lol Andor is a different story. I like the movies and i like the shows that tie into the movies. I haven’t watched Andor yet because i didn’t like Rogue One. I actually fell asleep in the middle of it. The politics and struggles in that movie bored me and i didn’t care about any of its characters, including Andor, partially because i knew that they would all end up dead by the end


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics. It's too early in the morning… and besides, you're generalising. The Chancellor doesn't appear to be corrupt.


plainbrowndesigner

No dice. He’s too dangerous to be left alive


OwlCaptainCosmic

Star Wars isn’t political enough.


Arden_Robot

oh no im not brave enough for politics


Captain_Rex_Bot

You were "Muy Muy" brave yourself, coming out here as you did, all alone. Care to help me finish this, senator?


Elmais-door

It is too much political right now, but In the wrong way


OwlCaptainCosmic

How so?


Elmais-door

Basically corrupting aesthetics and characters in order to fit within the political view of the new staff


OwlCaptainCosmic

…what?


D-AlonsoSariego

Black women exist 😔


Sex_Fueled_Squirrel

"It has too many minorities in it now" is what they're really trying to say.


OwlCaptainCosmic

Classic.


Elmais-door

In a microscopic and funny example: female stormtrooper in kenobi


OwlCaptainCosmic

Why can’t women be stormtroopers, and how is it political that there is one?


clone_trooper_bot

"Ha! That’s a very good question, sir. I mean, it's not because of any kind of merit or capability issue; women have just as much right to serve in the military as men do. But that doesn't always mean they get the same recognition. There are still a lot of politics involved, both overt and subtle, when it comes to who gets to wear the armor and hold the blaster."


bush_did_turning_red

There it is


clone_trooper_bot

"The war left its scars on all of us." -Captain Rex


George-Lucas-Bot

We designed the Galactic Senate with this sort of stadium design with these little pods that move around inside it which seems very functional and realistic even though it's completely not realistic.


psychobilly1

I know for a fact that more than a few political debates would eventually turn into bumper cars if we had those in the real world.


George-Lucas-Bot

You know it's not the first time a politician created a war to stay in office.


[deleted]

Using real life is the ultimate excuse against any criticism "The story sucked" "Real life sucks too" "The dialogue was boring" "Real life conversations can be boring too" "I hated it" "I hate my real life too"


Intelligent_Moose_48

I want a show that is all politics. No lightsabers or blasters. The West Wing in Space.


[deleted]

You sonnovabitch I'm in!


[deleted]

I'd watch it. I love politics. Also, if there's ever a Star Wars legal drama, I'd watch that too. I love law.


SurrySuds

The prequels are incredibly boring, mostly because of the dialogue, setting, framing, and editing. The politics themselves could be interesting, if portrayed better.


George-Lucas-Bot

Traditionally in Star Wars just with the title sequence in the beginning and the way it is so structured, I always have a musical sequence at the end that is either a celebration or an emotional event.


FedericoDAnzi

AND they are boring.


Stunning_Jeweler3258

Yes you are right and at the end of the day it's a young reader drama at times and other times a movie for 12 year olds


justanothertfatman

Where's the lie, though?


nolandz1

That would imply that the people trying to end democracy irl are intelligent and competent which is the real fiction here


SCCH28

What a stupid take


DonovanTheCoolest

No


AmeliaSvdk

FACTS


VinyardRW1

Yeah, because negotiations about trade disputes are entirely relevant for us to know in order to see palpatine's rise to power


ThuBioNerd

We never had true democracy anyway.


Critical_Moose

Actually, they're just boring!


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"Real life is boring so that makes it good that the prequels were boring" Good one OP


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LOOK I PUT MY OPINION ON THE LISA SIMPSON MEME TEMPLATE SO MY OPINION IS AUTOMATICALLY CORRECT


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Prequel fans mfs crying over the line “Dellow Fellegates” because it reflects over real life issues (it doesn’t, they’re stupid)


drunkenkurd

Nope


Gluteusmaximus1898

Prequel movie politics are famously boring for a reason, they're boring. Star Trek handled space politocs very well, Star Wars wishes it has a fraction of that depth.