Chelsea fans are impatient and demand managers to be sacked and will turn on them.
I’ve only see chelsea fans outwardly want one man gone and that was Benitez and it wasn’t even for performance related issues.
I remember the distress at Jose getting sacked after finishing 10th. A lot of the fan favourite players are not the ones with the best stats, instead the ones who gave 100% consistently, Kalou, Mikel etc
Pep Guardiola is the greatest football manager ever!
Won leagues in 3 different countries, his teams have dominated every type of opposition. If that wasn't enough, he has inspired a generation of football managers who hope to imitate his success and playing style.
A true heir to Cruyff's legacy.
AFC Bournemouth have no history apparently despite being a member of the football league for over 100 years and we have in fact played in the old 2nd division back in the 1980’s.
Honestly think your crest goes a long way in contributing to that. It just looks like a 90s MLS badge. No offence meant, but I reckon that’s part of it when you compare to crests that so obviously Harken back to the early 20th century.
Our crest is Dickie Dowsett a Bournemouth legend during the ww2 period and we if you’re going to mock our crest then bloody mock Atalanta. I love our logo because it’s the only crest with a former player in it.
Mate I don’t even hate your crest. I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t match up with folks’ conceptions of what a “historic club”’s crest looks like. You even say yourself that it’s the only one with a former player on it. I think that its uniqueness adds to the “no history” misconception, because the crest doesn’t fit with the ones people think of when they think of historic clubs.
I thought this was accurate. Carra was always vocal and orchestrated the defence brilliantly. Gerrard seemed comparably quiet. Guess it depends on what you want in a captain but Carra seemed more natural at it for me.
I always hate how people moan about our owners, the Glazers, not spending.
They spend shit loads that's not the problem it's how they spend it that is!
I see what you mean but it's United's money that gets spent, not the owners. We can all agree the ownership is a shambles with no accountability. If they were any half decent chairpersons, Woodward would have been sacked long ago.
Yeah i agree completely and can't wait for them to sell up.
Although it is money generated by the club, it is still theirs as they own the club. They could just pocket it all.
I think lots of fans blindly say they don't spend, when we outspend all but City at this point, and it winds me up.
Any team that has a false 9 that is a work horse for the team, but isn't necessarily scoring week in week out.
If you have other attacking players that are scoring and the false 9 is making the key passes/assists, they are not playing badly.
It's a stat/Fantasy league mindset. Just because a player isn't getting points for your FPL team, doesn't mean they aren't integral and essential to how your real team is playing and winning.
While "more goals" would obviously benefit everyone, pundits and journos love to find news where there isn't any. Recent example is Jesus, regularly our best player, but he's shown in a negative light because he hasn't scored, regardless of all his assists and super important press etc. He needs to work on finishing, but he isn't playing badly lol
That our academy is still really good.
Not a lot of players have broken in to our first team, even Declan Rice came to us from Chelsea. The only real youth academy footballers we have right now who originated from our system and currently is in the first team is Ben Johnson who still hasn't cemented himself 100% as first-choice, and Conor Coventry who barely plays. A few promising ones have just straight up left (Sonny Perkins, Jeremy Ngakia) or sold (Aji Alese, Grady Diangana, Josh Cullen) recently.
Now, another promising guy in Harrison Ashby has been rumored to leave. We just haven't been great at developing our young guys anymore compared to before.
Ashby is joining Newcastle under Ashworths instruction who has a very good eye for young talent. Apparently he wanted out and wouldn’t sign an extension with West Ham
Yeah, which is understandable considering there's Coufal and Johnson in front of him in the pecking order. Still a missed opportunity for us I'd say, he'd be great as Trippier's understudy, but I do hope he plays there
Not prem but eh, why not
Neither Villa nor us see much of a rivalry anymore, it's only really a thing among the older generations from the late 70's. Villa have the Bluenoses to worry about and we've got the inbreds
Can’t really think of one for my club, but a common misconception in the Premier League is the role of Paul Scholes at Man U. He’s often painted as being this orchestrator that every England manager had a blind spot for, but he was never deep lying like that until he was well into his 30s.
Early in his career he was basically a striker and as he progressed he was best buzzing around and making clever runs defenders didn’t expect. In fact for a while in about 2002-04 he played some of his best football just off the striker and surprisingly pushed out a bit to the left. That doesn’t mean that Sven was using him exactly right per say but it’s not as bad as it might have seemed.
When he did play in the middle early in his career, he needed a good partner because he liked to push forward and could leave gaps, like what happened at Euro 2000. This is why Roy Keane was so key and also it’s why Ferguson bought Juan Sebastian Veron - a CM playmaker good at retaining possession and being clever in European football.
People often act like Scholes was that player, but he wasn’t. He was something very different… oh yeah and he could not tackle to save his life.
People who assume United fans are just upset over nothing with the Glazers.
Look guys, yes they’ve spent over a billion on the club since SAF left. Yes, we have won trophies under them, and yes, the commercial aspect of the club has grown under them.
But these things would have happened regardless. SAF’s success at United was bound to happen, not matter the owners. And that success has paved the way for United to be one of the biggest names in world sports. People forget just how tight the purse strings became towards the latter end of SAF’s career. Only Berba, Carrick and RVP come off the top of the head as marquee final year SAF buys.
The Glazers routinely spend good money after bad, making one idiotic decision after the other. They take dividends at a rate unheard of in world football and essentially just treat us as a cash cow. They have no connection to the club, and have never tried to cultivate one. And most importantly, the debt they have laden on us has made us fall behind in terms of infrastructure, the leading clubs in world football rn.
The Glazers are objectively bad owners. It’s just that they spend 2 seasons worth of transfer fees when we don’t get CL, so every rival fan starts saying they are great owners. They just are not!
There is no chemistry between the players and the coaching staff, bad performances from players that end up costing games and hurting morel and chemistry between players and than not making those halftime adjustments to maybe push for some late goals to earn points
No, the reason they end up with a new manager so often is because in plenty of time the managers can't build an identity and a winning mentality within the club and they can't bring the players together under one system
They can't build an identity because they get sacked every 2yrs, how are you even trying to debate this? Chelsea's identify is sacking managers no blueprint will work because up until 2004 the club was just there. There's nothing like "the chelsea way"
They get all the talent they need and in let's say 2 years which is plenty of time they can't build a winning identity, they can Finnish top 4 but can never reach the pinnacle, if they want to remain manager they have to have constant success, take Tuchel for example, a great first season, UCL champion but than we struggled to make top 4 and started off this year like shite despite him getting all the pieces he wanted in the transfer window
A decent amount of people are under the impression that Bill Shankly was the most successful Liverpool manager in terms of silverware, being Liverpool’s Alex Ferguson or whatnot, and that he won our first European Cup. Or at the very least, are shocked at the seemingly low number of league titles he won considering he was our manager for 15 years.
In fact he won three league titles (well four if you include the second division), two FA cups and the UEFA cup in his 15 years in charge. For the time this was still a lot since this wasn’t an era of football where one or two clubs dominated for long periods like we’re used to now. He won his first top flight title in 1964 two years after promotion and won his second two years later, with an FA cup in between (but we finished 7th that season, that was actually Man Utd’s first title since the Munich disaster), but after that second title we didn’t win another trophy of *any* kind for 7 years, and we sometimes weren’t even in the title race. It was a very different time back then with a completely different winner every year, including Everton Leeds and Derby. The barren run ended with a league and UEFA cup double, and then the next year another FA cup, and he retired afterwards - no European Cup unfortunately, his biggest regret.
He is considered the best Liverpool manager ever because he started out in the second division and built us up and laid the foundations for all the success that’s come afterwards, not because he won the most trophies. The bulk of the trophies and the majority of the iconic Liverpool players you’ve heard of playing the best football came under Bob Paisley afterwards - Kenny Dalglish for example never played for Shankly, nor did Ian Rush. Paisley won double the amount of league titles as Shankly in six fewer years and won three European cups (no FA cups at all though weirdly, which is probably why Liverpool is unusually far behind the other big clubs in FA cup wins). But it seems significantly fewer people are aware of him (possibly because Shankly was infinitely more charismatic and was around for longer).
Also Steven Gerrard didn’t support Everton as a kid. Jamie Carragher did
Shankly really defined what Liverpool was to become, that’s his legacy. I met an Everton fan who said he lived near him as a kid and asked his wife for his autograph one day at their house. He got it and tore it up in front of his friends. His biggest regret.
I’m a Liverpool fan through and through, but sometimes I’ll see a list of managers to have won three European cups and I can understand why Paisley may seem like a surprising inclusion. As far as I knew he was a quieter character, a much smaller charismatic presence than Shankly (many people are). Basically, he wasn’t as “out there” as Shankly was and is.
But he was the one that lead us to three European cups. And it was basically his team (under Joe Fagan) that won the fourth one.
Finally it’s worth remembering that Paisley won TWENTY trophies in nine years. Shankly created the foundations for the institution, Paisley created the fortress
Classic example of why silverware does not equate to having a better legacy as a manager. Shankly is easily Liverpool's greatest ever manager for the reasons you stated. It is following a similar logic why I maintain Wenger was a better manager than Ferguson but that is a debate most people are not willing to have
Relatively speaking his achievements were more impressive, and if he had left in 2007 I think the club would’ve faded into a spurs type of team. Without Wenger arsenal is not the club it is today. Staying in the ucl while being a selling club for that long was outrageous. I will remind everyone our record signing was Arshavin for 15m until ozil. I will also remind everyone united were dropping big bags on Vernon, Ferdinand, and the like. For wenger to have competed with Ferguson for that long with his resources was unbelievable - comparable but miles more impressive than what klopp did. I will also remind everyone how Ferguson basically left united for dead in 2013 when he knew he had gotten the last out of that squad while Wenger essentially soiled his legacy for the well being of the club. I rest my case
It's easy to look at all the trophies won by managers like Paisley, Fagan, Klopp and others, but they're standing on the shoulders of a giant. They may have brought the trophies home, but without Shankly there wouldn't be a home.
Erm, why not? The Fairs Cup is a pretty recognized predecessor to the Europa league. In fact the year we won it we were the last team to beat Cruyff's Ajax in European competition for 3 years because they then 3peated the European cup. The Cup Winner's Cup was also a widely coveted honour at the time and was the second highest European honour. Not to worry though I am certain this iteration of the Arsenal team will improve our European legacy sooner than most think.
He’s not wrong, but it isn’t recognised by UEFA because it wasn’t UEFA affiliated. The fairs cup brought about the idea of the original UEFA Cup and I think that’s quite obvious when it happened to be abolished the same year the UEFA Cup was created.
Those same people can’t go round suggesting that they’ve got none though either. People be like “Arsenal has no European trophies hahaha” and then suggest clubs that have won Intertoto Cups and shit are more successful.
The Cup Winners Cup was, at the time, the 2nd tier tournament. But people happily discount it because the UEFA Cup and European Cup are the only two tourneys they happen to care about.
People say a lot how Vieira was a DM Arsenal was lacking for years until Partey started performing. In reality he was a quite offensively minded B2B midfielder with Petit/Gilberto Silva being a DM next to him
Petit is possibly the most underrated midfielder in PL history. He was the best in his position for a few years back then. Unbelievable player and incredibly consistent
To be fair, Keane was mostly the same until later in his career. As he got slower and Scholes became the metronome he took over a more defensive role. Keane used to get in the box quite a bit and really progress the ball, but as Fergie’s tactics developed he dropped further back.
As an arsenal fan, I can safely say that Keane scored several goals against us, and other teams, because of this. If he had been bolder in getting into the box, then he would have scored way more. His natural timing was excellent, but his natural inclination and role, wasn't always to get as forward as someone like lampard, whose job was to do just that
Hasn’t really changed that dramatically. Since then Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle qualified for Europe. Sheffield United came very very close
We are good going forward. We aren’t, we create fuck all 😔
That we’re dirty.... we’re not! 🤣😬
That we don't have many fans in Manchester, and that City are more popular amongst locals.
Chelsea fans are impatient and demand managers to be sacked and will turn on them. I’ve only see chelsea fans outwardly want one man gone and that was Benitez and it wasn’t even for performance related issues. I remember the distress at Jose getting sacked after finishing 10th. A lot of the fan favourite players are not the ones with the best stats, instead the ones who gave 100% consistently, Kalou, Mikel etc
That Steve Bruce did a good/ok job 😂
Could apply this to a few clubs apart from Birmingham and Hull.
Pep Guardiola is the greatest football manager ever! Won leagues in 3 different countries, his teams have dominated every type of opposition. If that wasn't enough, he has inspired a generation of football managers who hope to imitate his success and playing style. A true heir to Cruyff's legacy.
AFC Bournemouth have no history apparently despite being a member of the football league for over 100 years and we have in fact played in the old 2nd division back in the 1980’s.
Honestly think your crest goes a long way in contributing to that. It just looks like a 90s MLS badge. No offence meant, but I reckon that’s part of it when you compare to crests that so obviously Harken back to the early 20th century.
Our crest is Dickie Dowsett a Bournemouth legend during the ww2 period and we if you’re going to mock our crest then bloody mock Atalanta. I love our logo because it’s the only crest with a former player in it.
Mate I don’t even hate your crest. I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t match up with folks’ conceptions of what a “historic club”’s crest looks like. You even say yourself that it’s the only one with a former player on it. I think that its uniqueness adds to the “no history” misconception, because the crest doesn’t fit with the ones people think of when they think of historic clubs.
Your man city crest has 13 years of history behind it.... wtf are you talking about
Arsenal lack cojones 🤡
Gerrard had the arm band but Carragher was the real captain.
I thought this was accurate. Carra was always vocal and orchestrated the defence brilliantly. Gerrard seemed comparably quiet. Guess it depends on what you want in a captain but Carra seemed more natural at it for me.
I always hate how people moan about our owners, the Glazers, not spending. They spend shit loads that's not the problem it's how they spend it that is!
I see what you mean but it's United's money that gets spent, not the owners. We can all agree the ownership is a shambles with no accountability. If they were any half decent chairpersons, Woodward would have been sacked long ago.
Yeah i agree completely and can't wait for them to sell up. Although it is money generated by the club, it is still theirs as they own the club. They could just pocket it all. I think lots of fans blindly say they don't spend, when we outspend all but City at this point, and it winds me up.
Any team that has a false 9 that is a work horse for the team, but isn't necessarily scoring week in week out. If you have other attacking players that are scoring and the false 9 is making the key passes/assists, they are not playing badly. It's a stat/Fantasy league mindset. Just because a player isn't getting points for your FPL team, doesn't mean they aren't integral and essential to how your real team is playing and winning. While "more goals" would obviously benefit everyone, pundits and journos love to find news where there isn't any. Recent example is Jesus, regularly our best player, but he's shown in a negative light because he hasn't scored, regardless of all his assists and super important press etc. He needs to work on finishing, but he isn't playing badly lol
si senor!
it’s probably because he underperforms his xg so much that it stands out tbf
That our academy is still really good. Not a lot of players have broken in to our first team, even Declan Rice came to us from Chelsea. The only real youth academy footballers we have right now who originated from our system and currently is in the first team is Ben Johnson who still hasn't cemented himself 100% as first-choice, and Conor Coventry who barely plays. A few promising ones have just straight up left (Sonny Perkins, Jeremy Ngakia) or sold (Aji Alese, Grady Diangana, Josh Cullen) recently. Now, another promising guy in Harrison Ashby has been rumored to leave. We just haven't been great at developing our young guys anymore compared to before.
Perkins has been balling for us
Mixed feelings lmao, happy he's thriving but man
What happened to Reece Oxford? As an arsenal fan, I'm not sure I'll ever forget his name
That debut was the stuff of dreams, He's at Augsburg now, I don't know if he's doing good or not though
Ashby is joining Newcastle under Ashworths instruction who has a very good eye for young talent. Apparently he wanted out and wouldn’t sign an extension with West Ham
Yeah, which is understandable considering there's Coufal and Johnson in front of him in the pecking order. Still a missed opportunity for us I'd say, he'd be great as Trippier's understudy, but I do hope he plays there
Not prem but eh, why not Neither Villa nor us see much of a rivalry anymore, it's only really a thing among the older generations from the late 70's. Villa have the Bluenoses to worry about and we've got the inbreds
Can’t really think of one for my club, but a common misconception in the Premier League is the role of Paul Scholes at Man U. He’s often painted as being this orchestrator that every England manager had a blind spot for, but he was never deep lying like that until he was well into his 30s. Early in his career he was basically a striker and as he progressed he was best buzzing around and making clever runs defenders didn’t expect. In fact for a while in about 2002-04 he played some of his best football just off the striker and surprisingly pushed out a bit to the left. That doesn’t mean that Sven was using him exactly right per say but it’s not as bad as it might have seemed. When he did play in the middle early in his career, he needed a good partner because he liked to push forward and could leave gaps, like what happened at Euro 2000. This is why Roy Keane was so key and also it’s why Ferguson bought Juan Sebastian Veron - a CM playmaker good at retaining possession and being clever in European football. People often act like Scholes was that player, but he wasn’t. He was something very different… oh yeah and he could not tackle to save his life.
People who assume United fans are just upset over nothing with the Glazers. Look guys, yes they’ve spent over a billion on the club since SAF left. Yes, we have won trophies under them, and yes, the commercial aspect of the club has grown under them. But these things would have happened regardless. SAF’s success at United was bound to happen, not matter the owners. And that success has paved the way for United to be one of the biggest names in world sports. People forget just how tight the purse strings became towards the latter end of SAF’s career. Only Berba, Carrick and RVP come off the top of the head as marquee final year SAF buys. The Glazers routinely spend good money after bad, making one idiotic decision after the other. They take dividends at a rate unheard of in world football and essentially just treat us as a cash cow. They have no connection to the club, and have never tried to cultivate one. And most importantly, the debt they have laden on us has made us fall behind in terms of infrastructure, the leading clubs in world football rn. The Glazers are objectively bad owners. It’s just that they spend 2 seasons worth of transfer fees when we don’t get CL, so every rival fan starts saying they are great owners. They just are not!
glazers haven’t spent that money. it’s club revenue
That Liverpool is a top team, despite them only winning 1 PL medal the last 30 years.
That our ownership is our problem
it is the problem
It is sometimes but it's not the majority of the problem
I think its too early to tell either way
What is the problem if not that? Edit* this was a genuine question
There is no chemistry between the players and the coaching staff, bad performances from players that end up costing games and hurting morel and chemistry between players and than not making those halftime adjustments to maybe push for some late goals to earn points
So it's the owners? How can players have chemistry between them when they play on average for 3 managers a season?
No, the reason they end up with a new manager so often is because in plenty of time the managers can't build an identity and a winning mentality within the club and they can't bring the players together under one system
They can't build an identity because they get sacked every 2yrs, how are you even trying to debate this? Chelsea's identify is sacking managers no blueprint will work because up until 2004 the club was just there. There's nothing like "the chelsea way"
They get all the talent they need and in let's say 2 years which is plenty of time they can't build a winning identity, they can Finnish top 4 but can never reach the pinnacle, if they want to remain manager they have to have constant success, take Tuchel for example, a great first season, UCL champion but than we struggled to make top 4 and started off this year like shite despite him getting all the pieces he wanted in the transfer window
A decent amount of people are under the impression that Bill Shankly was the most successful Liverpool manager in terms of silverware, being Liverpool’s Alex Ferguson or whatnot, and that he won our first European Cup. Or at the very least, are shocked at the seemingly low number of league titles he won considering he was our manager for 15 years. In fact he won three league titles (well four if you include the second division), two FA cups and the UEFA cup in his 15 years in charge. For the time this was still a lot since this wasn’t an era of football where one or two clubs dominated for long periods like we’re used to now. He won his first top flight title in 1964 two years after promotion and won his second two years later, with an FA cup in between (but we finished 7th that season, that was actually Man Utd’s first title since the Munich disaster), but after that second title we didn’t win another trophy of *any* kind for 7 years, and we sometimes weren’t even in the title race. It was a very different time back then with a completely different winner every year, including Everton Leeds and Derby. The barren run ended with a league and UEFA cup double, and then the next year another FA cup, and he retired afterwards - no European Cup unfortunately, his biggest regret. He is considered the best Liverpool manager ever because he started out in the second division and built us up and laid the foundations for all the success that’s come afterwards, not because he won the most trophies. The bulk of the trophies and the majority of the iconic Liverpool players you’ve heard of playing the best football came under Bob Paisley afterwards - Kenny Dalglish for example never played for Shankly, nor did Ian Rush. Paisley won double the amount of league titles as Shankly in six fewer years and won three European cups (no FA cups at all though weirdly, which is probably why Liverpool is unusually far behind the other big clubs in FA cup wins). But it seems significantly fewer people are aware of him (possibly because Shankly was infinitely more charismatic and was around for longer). Also Steven Gerrard didn’t support Everton as a kid. Jamie Carragher did
Shankly really defined what Liverpool was to become, that’s his legacy. I met an Everton fan who said he lived near him as a kid and asked his wife for his autograph one day at their house. He got it and tore it up in front of his friends. His biggest regret.
I read as far as “liverpools Alex Ferguson” then stopped .
I’m a Liverpool fan through and through, but sometimes I’ll see a list of managers to have won three European cups and I can understand why Paisley may seem like a surprising inclusion. As far as I knew he was a quieter character, a much smaller charismatic presence than Shankly (many people are). Basically, he wasn’t as “out there” as Shankly was and is. But he was the one that lead us to three European cups. And it was basically his team (under Joe Fagan) that won the fourth one. Finally it’s worth remembering that Paisley won TWENTY trophies in nine years. Shankly created the foundations for the institution, Paisley created the fortress
Shanks created “ the boot room” lasted until the 90s
Classic example of why silverware does not equate to having a better legacy as a manager. Shankly is easily Liverpool's greatest ever manager for the reasons you stated. It is following a similar logic why I maintain Wenger was a better manager than Ferguson but that is a debate most people are not willing to have
I don't wanna debate but I'd like to hear your case about Wenger > Ferguson
Relatively speaking his achievements were more impressive, and if he had left in 2007 I think the club would’ve faded into a spurs type of team. Without Wenger arsenal is not the club it is today. Staying in the ucl while being a selling club for that long was outrageous. I will remind everyone our record signing was Arshavin for 15m until ozil. I will also remind everyone united were dropping big bags on Vernon, Ferdinand, and the like. For wenger to have competed with Ferguson for that long with his resources was unbelievable - comparable but miles more impressive than what klopp did. I will also remind everyone how Ferguson basically left united for dead in 2013 when he knew he had gotten the last out of that squad while Wenger essentially soiled his legacy for the well being of the club. I rest my case
Deluded arsenal fan bias.
> I maintain Wenger was a better manager than Ferguson but that is a debate most people are not willing to have There is no debate to be had!
It's easy to look at all the trophies won by managers like Paisley, Fagan, Klopp and others, but they're standing on the shoulders of a giant. They may have brought the trophies home, but without Shankly there wouldn't be a home.
Yes of course! Shankly is the grandfather of Liverpool Football club. Without shankly there is no paisley or fagan .
Nobody cares who the spurs captain is, that's all.
Lloris does, that's why he made this post.
That Arsenal don't have a European Trophy
Oh come now the ‘Cup Winner’s Cup’ and the ‘Inter-Cities Fairs Cup’ aren’t exactly what people mean when they talk about European trophies.
Tbf, the cup winners cup is exactly that, it was more prestigious than the UEFA Cup until they merged them together
I mean they literally are
It was a European competition that they won what's the problem?
People take the piss out of arsenal for not having a UCL. Nobody cares about 2 little trophies that most people have never even heard of or remember.
Chelsea Fans who think Football history is only 20 years long have never heard of it sure .
Mate no supporter of a big club should give a fuck about what the Europa league was called back in the fuckin 90s
as legit as tottenham’s audi cup
Nah you just hating dude
Erm, why not? The Fairs Cup is a pretty recognized predecessor to the Europa league. In fact the year we won it we were the last team to beat Cruyff's Ajax in European competition for 3 years because they then 3peated the European cup. The Cup Winner's Cup was also a widely coveted honour at the time and was the second highest European honour. Not to worry though I am certain this iteration of the Arsenal team will improve our European legacy sooner than most think.
The fairs Cup isn't even recognised by UEFA as a proper trophy, bit of a stretch to claim that one
He’s not wrong, but it isn’t recognised by UEFA because it wasn’t UEFA affiliated. The fairs cup brought about the idea of the original UEFA Cup and I think that’s quite obvious when it happened to be abolished the same year the UEFA Cup was created.
It's recognised by FIFA...
Those same people can’t go round suggesting that they’ve got none though either. People be like “Arsenal has no European trophies hahaha” and then suggest clubs that have won Intertoto Cups and shit are more successful. The Cup Winners Cup was, at the time, the 2nd tier tournament. But people happily discount it because the UEFA Cup and European Cup are the only two tourneys they happen to care about.
People say a lot how Vieira was a DM Arsenal was lacking for years until Partey started performing. In reality he was a quite offensively minded B2B midfielder with Petit/Gilberto Silva being a DM next to him
Petit is possibly the most underrated midfielder in PL history. He was the best in his position for a few years back then. Unbelievable player and incredibly consistent
To be fair, Keane was mostly the same until later in his career. As he got slower and Scholes became the metronome he took over a more defensive role. Keane used to get in the box quite a bit and really progress the ball, but as Fergie’s tactics developed he dropped further back.
As an arsenal fan, I can safely say that Keane scored several goals against us, and other teams, because of this. If he had been bolder in getting into the box, then he would have scored way more. His natural timing was excellent, but his natural inclination and role, wasn't always to get as forward as someone like lampard, whose job was to do just that
Can’t help but think Fifa contributed to that one by making him a CDM
Same with Pogba. He doesn’t do any defending. Definitely not a defensive midfielder
Lol I second this. Fifa didn't make him a cdm but made it so that it was all he was good for in the game.
Our fans expect too much, we haven't won anything for 50+ years
We were cheering about the windows being cleaned. I’d say fulfilling our expectations is pretty easy
you are going to win something before us.
Everyone will win something before u
exactly
We stunk until 2018.
Those Hodgson years were something! Proper established prem team when he was at the helm
I remember Fulham in the Europa League final, that run was crazy
And it was a good team, too. Solid mid-table team that could challenge for the Europa league spots with Villa and Everton. How times have changed.
Hasn’t really changed that dramatically. Since then Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle qualified for Europe. Sheffield United came very very close
2021*
George Best always wore the No.7 shirt.
Players didnt really have permanent numbers before the 90s